speaker
Desiree
Conference Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the California Water Service Group first quarter 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw a question again, Press the star 1. I would now like to turn the conference over to James Lynch, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer. You may begin.

speaker
James Lynch
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Thank you, Desiree. Welcome, everyone, to the first quarter 2025 results call for California Water Service Group. With me today is Marty Kropelnicki, our Chairman and CEO. Replay dial-in information for this call can be found in our quarterly results earning release, which was issued earlier today. The call replay will be available until June 30th, 2025. As a reminder, before we begin, the company has a slide deck to accompany today's earnings call. The slide deck was furnished with an 8K and is also available on the company's website at www.calwatergroup.com. Before looking at our first quarter 2025 results, I'd like to cover forward-looking statements. During our call, we may make forward-looking statements And because these statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties. And actual results could differ materially from the company's current expectations. As a result, we strongly advise all current shareholders and interested parties to carefully read the company's disclosures on risks and uncertainties found in our Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, press releases, and other reports filed from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And now I'll turn the call over to Marty.

speaker
Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Thanks, Jim. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for dialing in this morning to review our Q1 2025 results. We have a few items on the agenda today. One, we'll talk about the strong first quarter, and just to remind everyone, we are in the third year of the general rate case in the state of California, which is our largest subsidiary, and typically the first quarter is one of our more challenging quarters, but the Q1 of this year, actually, we did surprisingly well. We want to give you an update on our progress with the 2024 general rate case, which remains on track, talk about a couple of favorable decisions that we've had in both California and Hawaii on some other regulatory items, and finally give you an update on what's happening with the annual water supply in the West. And so before going into our topics today, I'm going to turn it over to Jim to walk us through the financials, which Jim, I think are a little confusing. But I think in the press release in the back, there's a reconciliation there that I found very helpful. I know I was preparing for today. So Jim, I'm going to turn it over to you.

speaker
James Lynch
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Thanks, Marty. And what Marty was referring to is we did present non-GAAP information. in our press release, and we'll be discussing some non-GAAP information on today's deck as it relates to 2024. As we've discussed on previous calls, the company's delayed 2021 general rate case decision resulted in interim rate relief, which was recorded in 2024. In reporting the first quarter 2025 results, we present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. With the non-GAAP financial measures in place to remove the impact, of the 2023 interim rate relief from the 2024 results. On a GAAP basis, operating revenue for the quarter was $204 million compared to $270.7 million in the first quarter of 2024. And net income attributed to group was $13.3 million or 22 cents per diluted share compared to 69.9 million or $21 per diluted share in Q1 of 2024. Interim rate relief recorded in the first quarter of 2024 that related to 2023 included revenue of $90.3 million and net income of $65.8 million for $1.14 per share. When we adjust for the Q1 2024 interim rate relief, first quarter revenue increased 13% over non-GAAP 2024 revenue of $180.5 million. In addition, first quarter net income and diluted earnings per share increased 225% and 214% respectively over Q1 2024 non-GAAP income of $4 million, $4.1 million, and non-GAAP earnings per share of $0.07. Moving to our diluted earnings per share bridge, the primary drivers for first quarter 2024 were rate changes and increased customer usage which contributed $0.20 per share, and approval of two advice letters, one to recover drought expenses and one to recover expenses related to the Palos Verdes pipeline project that together contributed $0.07 per share. Expense offsets included water production wholesale costs and customer usage increases of $0.08 per share and $0.04 per share in higher depreciation expense due to new assets placed in service. We're really pleased with the outcome of both the Palos Verdes and drought advice letter decisions, and Marty is going to provide some more information on these decisions a little bit later in his remarks. Turning to slide seven, we continue to make significant investments in our water infrastructure to ensure the delivery and safe, reliable water service. Capital, company capital investments during the quarter totaled $110.1 million, a pace that was consistent with the record quarter we reported in Q1 of 2024. As a reminder, our capital investments do not include estimated $222.5 million of remaining PFAS project expenditures. Also, estimates for 2025 through 2027 are predicated in part on the outcome of our 2024 general rate case in California and normal capital needs in our other subsidiaries. We expect our annual capital expenditures to increase during the next five years due to the continuing need to replace and maintain our water infrastructure. Turning to slide eight, the positive impact of our capital investment program is demonstrated in our regulated rate-based growth presented on the slide. If approved as requested, the 2024 California GRC and infrastructure improvement plan with our other planned capital investments in other states would result in a compounded annual rate-based growth of approximately 11.7%. Moving to slide 9, we continue to maintain a strong liquidity profile. As of March 31, 2025, we had $44.5 million in unrestricted cash, $45.7 million in restricted cash, and $315 million in availability on our credit lines. We continue to maintain strong equity and debt credit ratings, and with the cost of capital extension in California through 2026, our authorized 10.27% ROE will be applied to a supportive equity percentage in our authorized capital structure of 53.4%. With that, I'll turn the call over to Marty for a few additional remarks.

speaker
Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Thanks, Jim. I am on slide 10, and I'm pleased to report that yesterday our board of directors approved our 321st consecutive quarterly dividend from the amount of 30 cents a share. As a reminder, in January of this year, we announced a dividend increase of 8 cents a share plus a special one-time increase of 4 cents a share, bringing the annual dividend from $1.24 up from $1.12. The dividend increase for 2025 represents about a 10.7% dividend increase and gives us a five-year compound growth rate of 7.7% on the dividend line, which we think is a very healthy number. The special one-time dividend was meant and approved by our board of directors to reward our stockholders who dealt with the delayed 2021 generate case and the financial challenges that it brought forth with it, including deciphering some of the financial reporting that Jim's been working on. I think he's done a good job with the financial statements this quarter. Looking to slide 11, moving on to some stuff on the regulatory side, the California 2021 general rate case continues to move forward on schedule. Following the issuance from the California public advocates, their basically review or their report of our rate case, we submitted our rebuttal testimony and we participated in settlement discussions during the month of April. While we are not able to reach a global settlement with the California Public Advocates, we are now working to identify areas of agreement in order to align the upcoming evidentiary hearings, which will take place this month, the month of May. We remain confident in our testimony that we provided in the Ray case. I think as most of you know, the last three cycles we've invested heavily in how we plan for capital and execute our capital programs, and we remain confident in that our testimony And we look forward to moving into the evidential hearing phase of the process with the commissioner and with the judge. Moving on to slide 12, a couple other things that are noteworthy on the regulatory side. First and foremost, as part of the 2021 general rate case decision, we're authorized to get what's called an annual escalation rate. And so for 2025, that was filed. It is subject to an earnings test, and I'm very pleased to report that the majority of our districts passed that earnings test, and it represents a $27.2 million additional revenue requirement that was adopted for this year. These rates went into effect in January 1st. In addition, in California, the Palos Verdes Peninsula Water Reliability Project, that's what happens when you let engineers name projects. They get really long. So I call it the Palos Verdes project. It was the largest project in the company's history, which is replacing about 15 miles of Maine and kind of downtown Palos Verdes and kind of urban LA area. In January, we received a final decision approving the inclusion of $14.2 million in incremental capital costs for this project. So that's been added to rate base. In addition, The decision allows us for a temporary surcharge to recover $3.8 million of carrying costs associated with that project. These new base rates were implemented in February, and the surcharge will begin in April, so last month. In addition, in California, in January, we received approval to recover $1.4 million in drought-related costs that have been tracked through the DREMA account. Related surcharges were implemented on April 1st of this year. Looking at a couple other regulatory events that are happening around our systems, turning to Hawaii. During the first quarter, we reached a settlement with the Kaanapali General Rate Case with the Hawaii Consumer Advocates. The settlement sets a test year revenue of $7.5 million, so that's a $1.1 million increase in revenue. So that'll be going into effect later this month. And then lastly, kind of looking onto slide 13, Looking at our water supply going into the spring, that's always a hot topic out west with climate change. Overall, it's been a very healthy winter out here on the west coast. We have a strong snowpack overall in California. It was 99% of normal for the month of April. For those of you that know the topography associated with California, the Sierras, it's a very, very long range. And so you can be as far south as Southern California down in LA and all the way up well past Tahoe into Northern California. So the range within the range is 85 to 120%. But overall, we're about 99% of normal on the snowfall for the state of California. This coupled with very heavy rainfall during the winter and spring months. has put us in really good shape, and the major reservoirs remain above historical averages, and we feel really good about the position California is going into, going into the summer months. We do not expect any other water supply issues in other states, including Washington, New Mexico, and for the majority of Hawaii, although in West Maui, West Maui continues to be in a drought, and targeted conservation efforts are underway, but we do not expect any material issues in that area. Hawaii is a state that we're spending taking a lot of the lessons learned in California in our conservation programs and applying that to states that have newer issues associated with drought and drought management. So we're taking a lot of the lessons learned in California and applying those in our conservation programs in the West Maui area. So with that, moving to slide number 14, looking at the year ahead. As I mentioned in the beginning, it is the third year of the rate case cycle in California. This is historically a period where we see heightened regulatory lag, and that coupled with market volatility, inflation, and the potential for tariff effects on a lot of the goods and services we use during our construction projects means that tight management of controllable expenses remains a priority, and it will be throughout the year. In addition to staying focused on the budget and execution of the capital plans, keeping the general rate case on focus and to avoid any major delays like we saw in 2021. I will say I've been generally pleased with the feedback we've been getting from the advocates, the commissioner's office, and the judge offices in terms of doing everything they can to keep the rate case on schedule, which I think is really good news. Looking at our growth strategy, the ongoing greenfield development that we have in Texas is continuing to develop very, very well and continues strong results. So we plan to stay focused in that South Austin corridor, which continues to grow. And we're also continuing to evaluate a number of domestic M&A opportunities. Although I just want to be clear, the main growth objective of California Water Service Group really is the rate-based growth that Jim talked about earlier on the slide deck and that 11.7%. company on a growth rate. So M&A is a supplemental growth process for us. Additionally, as we go into the warmer summer months, we want to maintain our best in class customer service and our water quality goals of no primary or secondary water quality violations. Obviously, we got a lot of infrastructure investment to do over the remaining nine months of 2025, especially coming out of a wet winter. As Jim referenced, we kept with the same pace that we had last year. and the quarter on the capital investments, which we're very happy with, given the fact it was a very, very wet winter in California. And that tends to slow us down on the construction management side. And of course, lastly, today being May 1st, believe it or not, is the official start of fire season. And so our teams are busy doing all the wildfire hardening projects that we do, clearing brush, et cetera, getting all the equipment ready for the long drive summer months that lie ahead. So with that, overall, it was a very good quarter. We're very pleased with the results, financial results. Again, I'll apologize that they're confusing, but, again, that was nothing that the company could control. And, again, I would just call your attention to the non-GAAP information that Jim provided in the deck to look at the quarters on a more normalized basis. And so, Desiree, with that, let's open it up to questions, please.

speaker
Desiree
Conference Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star 1 again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening via speakerphone on your device, please pick up your handset to ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question.

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Unknown
Not identified

Again, press star 1 to join the queue.

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Desiree
Conference Operator

And our first question comes from the line of Angie Starozinski with Seaport. Your line is open.

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Angie Starozinski
Analyst (Seaport)

Thank you. So I wanted to talk about the California GRC. We haven't seen a settlement, even though we were hoping for one. So just wonder, can you just give us a sense, for example, what are the key points of contention here? Is it decoupling? Is it O&M expense? CapEx? Just any sense of, you know, or maybe from a different angle, what can you agree on with the consumer advocate? Thank you.

speaker
Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, thanks, Angie. As I mentioned in my previous comments, you know, obviously we did not reach a global settlement with the Cal Advocates and Because we are settlement discussions, I really can't get into the details of that. But to the comments I made, we're obviously going through a process right now and identifying areas that were non-contested. And that will be submitted to the judge in the pre-hearing conference as we move into the hearing part of the process. So we really can't say a whole lot other than, you know, it's moving forward. And again, even with a non-able to reach a global settlement with the commission, The commissioner, the judge, and the advocates have all indicated a desire to keep the rate case on schedule. So I anticipate this next phase going through the hearing components will continue to move on schedule as has the rest of the rate case. So can't really say much more than that right now, but obviously we'll be filing briefs and stuff, et cetera, with the PUC here during the month of May.

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Unknown
Not identified

Okay. That's all I have. Thank you.

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Unknown
Not identified

Thanks, Angie. Have a good day.

speaker
Desiree
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Sunderland with Beard. Your line is open.

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David Sunderland
Analyst (Beard)

Hey, Marty, Jim. Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my question. If I could start, I actually would like to piggyback on Angie's question just about the GRC. And thank you, Marty, for the updates on this. Just trying to get a frame of reference for the 2021 GRC and when you guys were able to see for the first time, hey, this might get delayed or it's getting off the rails a little bit. How is this case progressing relative to that one? And I guess any insight to compare the two or what that inflection point was, if you can see what I'm getting at, would be helpful. And then I have maybe one follow-up.

speaker
Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Sure. That's a very good question, Davis. You know, the 2021 rate case, right out of the chute, there were significant disagreements with Cal Advocates and us. And Not only disagreements, it was hard to even get people in a room to even really talk about it. So, you know, you add that and you add COVID and the fact that the commission was still on a work remote basis. There's just a lot of different factors then to now. To me, the most significant factor that I'm tracking is kind of what are people saying? And so I go back to, you know, Commissioner Baker's clearly indicated in public comments, he thinks California needs to do a better job getting rate cases done on time. I think that's a big positive comment. We didn't have that before on the last rate case. The fact that the Cal advocates in our discussion, even though we couldn't reach a global settlement, have indicated they want to do everything they can to get the rate case done on time. And then the judge, I think the judge that we have assigned to this case I think he is unbiased. I think he is very focused on the procedural law, which I think is a very good thing. And he's driving the rate case process really hard. So I think to me, the big thing is kind of what the parties are saying involved in the process and the fact they're saying it. You didn't have a whole lot of that going on in the last rate case. And I think a big stumbling block was the fact you were coming out of COVID and people could not get in a room to even talk. So I look at how the comments are lining up. They're very consistent. Everyone's indicating a desire to get this rate case done on time. I didn't have comments like that in the last rate case cycle. So I'm a lot more bullish this time. Now, obviously, you can hit a procedural snag as you go through the process. But, you know, look, we're almost a year in, I guess we're 10 months into a 18-month process. And so far, every indication we've had is it's staying on schedule, which I think is a good sign.

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David Sunderland
Analyst (Beard)

That is super helpful, and thank you for that. And then maybe if I could just ask one more. You mentioned tariffs and potential impacts and managing costs throughout the rest of the year. I don't know if you could share any more just about how you guys are baking in potential elevated costs or the impact of rerouting supply chains into your outlook for the year, or specifically if there's any meaningful year-over-year comps the rest of the year that we should consider as it relates to costs. And thank you again, guys.

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Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, you know, that's another good question. I think it's still too early to tell if you look at the volatility associated with comments coming from the administration about the effects of tariffs, who's going to be tariffed, who's not going to be tariffed, what's going to be tariffed, which countries are negotiating, which countries are not. So I still think it's a little too early to tell. Obviously, in what we do, and especially given our large construction project, we have stuff that comes from all around the world. You know, panel boards have chips. Chips come from Taiwan. We have steel and pipe and both PVC and steel that's manufactured domestically, and some of it comes from foreign sources. Some of the steel that's manufactured domestically has iron ore that comes from Europe. So it's a very, very, very kind of murky situation. What I would say, and this is why I remain guardedly optimistic, is we went through supply constraints during COVID-19. and our materials management team and our engineering management team, program management teams, were able to navigate those supply constraints without disrupting our capital flow and our ability to get capital to the ground. So, you know, up to this point, we've managed it. Likewise, we've had, you know, a fair amount of inflation the last two years. We've been able to manage absorbing that inflation and still, you know, maintain our earnings momentum and our growth momentum. So I remain, you know, guardly optimistic, but I would be lying to you if I had a crystal ball, Davis, and I look at the economic indicators and say, oh, they're sailing ahead because clearly the market's not saying that. And so for us, it's, you know, continue to button down the hatches, continue to make sure that you're managing your overtime, your expenses. Obviously, we have things like wildfire management programs we have to do. We're not going to cut costs on that. but do everything we can to keep everyone focused on kind of a disciplined budgetary approach and then being able to adapt to those things when they happen. And so Cal Waters had a good history of being able to hit their budgets during difficult times and will maintain. Jim, anything that you want to add on that?

speaker
James Lynch
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Yeah, I think, Marty, the only other thing I would mention, Davis, is, you know, the financial markets have been whipsawed over the last, well, since April, the beginning of April, and You know, we're continuing to keep an eye on what's happening in the debt markets as well as the equity markets in terms of our future financings. Right now, there's a lot of volatility out there. And so, you know, we're hoping that as we go from the second to the third quarter, that volatility kind of settles down and we'll have a better sense of what's available and the timing with which we want to enter the debt and equity markets. But to where we are right now, we're in a really strong position in terms of our short-term availability of financing to continue our strategic initiatives. And so we'll just kind of keep an eye and hope for the best in terms of getting a little more, I guess, settled down financial markets that we can take advantage of later in the year.

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David Sunderland
Analyst (Beard)

This is great.

speaker
Unknown
Not identified

Thank you both. Appreciate it. Thanks, Davis. Have a good day.

speaker
Desiree
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

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Unknown
Not identified

Hey, good morning, team. How are you?

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Jonathan Reeder
Analyst (Wells Fargo)

Good morning, Jonathan. So it sounds like, Marty, the Q1 results were a little better than your internal expectations. Can you just kind of elaborate on what drove that beyond what the waterfall chart shows? You know, was it higher usage now that you're no longer decoupled, or were there perhaps some favorable expense timing, you know, issues?

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Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

You know, Jonathan, it was a number of things. One, obviously, you know, when we had the delayed general rate case, Jim did a really good job with the financing, really buttoning down the budgets. And so while the rate case was delayed, we really just, you know, we cut spending every place we could until we got the rate case decision kind of put in place. So we had to really prioritize our capital where we're spending it. and any of the discretionary spend that the company had. So I think, you know, in operations, the team has continued to do a good job with their budgets, even though we've loosened some of those budgets up once we got the rate case resolved. So I think you can kind of start with that. In addition to that, I think, you know, the water mix in this rate case is much more closely aligned to what actual is. And if you recall, when we were decoupled, you had some big big differences between adopted and actual. So the fact that the water mix is tracking closely together means that the rate case is a more accurate forecast. I think that's helping us. I mean, you're absolutely right, Jonathan. You follow us for a while. Usually when it's the third year of the rate case, we always tell people, hey, don't expect anything in the first quarter. And so I was really happy with the quarterly results, the year-over-year increase in earnings. And we'll just have to keep executing to the plan. And again, to the question that David just asked, there's going to be curveballs thrown at us with everything that we're seeing in the market. And I think our ability to absorb those curveballs are positioned really well, whether it's liquidity in the balance sheet that we have right now or our ability to reprioritize capital and expenses to meet our obligations and goals for the company for the year. So water mix. rate case and tariff differences is what I would attribute to as well as good kind of budget management by the operating teams within Cal Water.

speaker
James Lynch
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Yeah, and then we did get, from a usage perspective, we were at authorized into the first couple of months. The third month in March, we got a little bit wet weather, colder weather as compared to last year. And so that brought us back kind of close to where we were last year, about the same time. So year over year, a little better usage than we saw. We were hoping for a little bit better, better usage than what we saw. But I think it didn't, not having the RAM did not hurt us in any way in Q1.

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Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, Jim, I think the other thing that's noteworthy too are the step increases. And, you know, that 27 line and step increase into the tariffs. And it used to be, if you go back two rate cycles, our step increases would be $4 million, maybe $10 million. And so because we've done a much better job at executing our capital plan, the amount of uptake that we get on our step increase has been a lot higher. And that step increase, it's basically an inflationary offset, but it is subject to an earnings test and that earnings test is based on invested capital. So that plays into this as well.

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James Lynch
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Yeah, so I guess Marty's initial comments were, well, it's a lot of things, Jonathan. We're kind of going through some of them, but we can't point to one individual kind of pop that benefited the company in Q1. It's just a culmination of a number of items.

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Jonathan Reeder
Analyst (Wells Fargo)

All right, great. Yeah, it sounds like things are on track, and hopefully you can keep them that way throughout the remainder of the year. I did want to shift quickly to the GRC. You know, previously you mentioned that a settlement could potentially come, you know, either before or after the hearings. As such, you know, do you believe a more expansive settlement or even a global settlement could still be achievable? Or, you know, based on the comments you're making today, has that ship sailed?

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Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

You know, I don't know if I can really honestly answer that, Jonathan. I mean, one of the things we did when we couldn't reach a global settlement, we went back and we looked at previous rate cases with other water utilities in the state, and it's really been a mixed bag. I mean, we've seen, you know, where there's been a fully reached settlement, but then it takes, you know, 12 months to a year and a half to get the settlement approved within the commission. We've seen, you know, two of the companies get a settlement and get being done close to being on time. So it's been really kind of a mixed bag. And that's why I go back to kind of in my analysis, what's the commissioner saying? Because the commissioner is really the assigned hearing officer. What's the judge saying? And what are the advocates saying? And I suppose there's always a chance you could still, you know, reach a global settlement here during the month of May. But the indicators we are is we're moving into the pre-conference hearings and taking their report and our report and things that are identified that there's no disagreement on. We're identifying those and we'll submit that to the judge and then see what he says. So I suppose there's always hope. But from my position, I'm happy things are tracking on schedule. Couldn't reach a global settlement. Can we still reach something? Hard to tell. but we need to proceed as if we're not going to and head into the hearings in May and see where it goes from there. But generally very happy with the fact that the commissioner, the advocates, and the judge have all been aligned saying the same thing. We're going to do everything we can to get this right case done on time.

speaker
James Lynch
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

Jim, anyone else? I guess the only thing I'd add, Jonathan, is remember there's kind of two areas that there was significant concern you know, differences between us and the Cal Advocate, that being the approach to the decoupling. And the second is, you know, we identified some significant capital expenditures that are required in our system. And those two aspects of our rate case are kind of permeate throughout a lot of the different elements within the rate case. there was a big difference between where we were coming from and where Cal Africa was coming from on the larger issues. And so it's not really a surprise that we weren't able to get a global settlement. But I think if we can knock out some of the smaller items that Marty was talking about, it puts us in a good position, I think, to move forward timely on the case.

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Jonathan Reeder
Analyst (Wells Fargo)

Yeah, so I mean, that's what I was going to say. Like, I mean, in the past, you've kind of reached like, you know, call it a partial settlement you know i mean it sounds like that's what you've kind of got here again with some of these undisputed items that um you know take those off the table but like you said jim i mean based on the last grc capex decoupling those are major you know issues that ultimately had to get fully litigated and you know sounds like that's where we are again this time around

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Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, I think that's right, Jonathan. I think that's right. And that's why this next step, looking at their report, our report, lining up things that there's no disagreement on and submitting that to the judge, you know, that may very well take those elements off the table. And then we just focus on the major areas of disagreement, which would be kind of rate design, decoupling, you know, et cetera.

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Jonathan Reeder
Analyst (Wells Fargo)

Yeah. Okay. And then last question for me, and I apologize if you did mention it, but, uh, where do you stand on renewing the ATM program and what size do you think you'll need when you do renew it?

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James Lynch
Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer

So we're, we're, uh, in the process of kind of working with banks and whatnot. Uh, we do intend to renew it, uh, and it'll probably be the spring, uh, sometime, uh, early this spring. We always like to have that availability for us to take advantage of the equity markets when opportunities and the timing is right for us to do so. At this point, we're still in the process of reviewing with our finance committee the size of the ATM and the different features that we may want to pursue on it. But I would expect we would announce something probably early spring here in the not-too-distant future.

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Jonathan Reeder
Analyst (Wells Fargo)

Okay, great. Thanks so much for the time this morning.

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Unknown
Not identified

All right.

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Jonathan Reeder
Analyst (Wells Fargo)

Thanks, Jonathan.

speaker
Unknown
Not identified

Thanks, Jonathan.

speaker
Desiree
Conference Operator

There are no more further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Martin Karpolnicki for closing remarks.

speaker
Marty Kropelnicki
Chairman and CEO

Great. Thanks, Desiree. Well, thanks, everyone, for joining us today. Q1 is done and in the books, as they say, and we'll move on to Q2. And obviously, as things change with the general rate case, we'll look forward to updating everyone in July for our second quarter earnings call. So thanks for calling in today. Any questions, feel free to reach out. And everybody, have a great day. Thank you. Thank you.

speaker
Desiree
Conference Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect.

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