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spk03: Welcome to the Dominion Energy Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, each of your lines is in a listen-only mode. At the conclusion of today's presentation, we will open the floor for questions. Instructions will be given for the procedure to follow if you would like to ask a question. I would now like to turn the call over to David McFarland, Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasurer.
spk01: Good morning, and thank you for joining today's call. Earnings materials, including today's prepared remarks, contain forward-looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our SEC filings, including our most recent annual reports on Form 10-K and our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, for a discussion of factors that may cause results to differ from management's estimates and expectations. This morning, we will discuss some measures of our company's performance that differ from those recognized by GAAP. Reconciliation of our non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, which we can calculate, are contained in the earnings release kit. I encourage you to visit our investor relations website to review webcast slides as well as the earnings release kit. Joining today's call are Bob Blue, Chair, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Stephen Ridge, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Diane Leopold, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. I will now turn the call over to Bob.
spk06: Thank you, David. Good morning, everyone. As always, let me begin with safety, as shown on slide three. In 2023, our employee OSHA recordable incident rate was 0.45, a significant improvement to already strong historical performance. We also achieved a record low lost time restricted duty injury rate. We're pleased but not satisfied with these results. I strongly believe that exemplary safety performance unlocks our ability to execute optimally across the three pillars of our mission, as shown on slide four. We maintained outstanding reliability in 2023, as our electric customers in Virginia and South Carolina had power 99.9% of the time, excluding major storms. Our residential rates continue to be well below the national and regional averages. From 2005 through 2022 we've reduced scope one carbon emissions from our electric operations by nearly 50% even as annual energy generated over that period has increased 9%. Going forward you'll continue to hear how we're executing against our mission, because an exceptional customer experience positions our company to deliver the best results for our shareholders. I'm very pleased to share several important updates with you this morning as relates to our business review and the Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind Project. Let me begin by reiterating my previous commentary regarding the review. Our guiding priorities and commitments are unchanged, as is my conviction around both the decision to undertake the review and the quality of the result I expect us to deliver. The review will comprehensively and finally address foundational concerns that have eroded investor confidence in our company over the last several years. We will not pursue a series of partial solutions that leave key elements and risks unaddressed. Instead, we'll deliver a comprehensive result that will provide a durable and high-quality strategic and financial profile that optimally positions Dominion Energy to provide compelling long-term value for shareholders, customers, and employees. This morning, we announced a key part of that result with the execution of an agreement to add a non-controlling equity partner in the Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind Project. This arrangement with Stone Peak, a global leader in infrastructure investing, represents the final strategic step in the business review and delivers an exciting result for our customers and our shareholders. Before I walk through the transaction specifics, let me update you on the continued successful development of the project across all phases. The project is proceeding on time and on budget. Consistent with the timelines and estimates previously provided, we continue to achieve significant project milestones as shown on slide five. On permitting, last month BOEM provided final approval of our construction and operation plan, which allows us to begin offshore construction in the second quarter. And the Army Corps of Engineers issued its permit, which has allowed us to ramp up onshore construction. On materials and equipment, we're on track and making excellent progress. One of the keys to our success has been that from the beginning of the project, we insisted that our equipment be sourced from mature facilities under dedicated production allocations that are specific to our components. We've received 24 monopiles from our supplier, EEW, at the Portsmouth Marine Terminal, with more on the way in the coming weeks. These monopiles will begin to be installed by DEME during the second quarter. Recall that we've scheduled monopile installation across two seasons, 2024 and 2025. which allows us to better mitigate any potential delays or disruptions without impacting final schedule. The first of three offshore substation topside structures is complete and has been delivered to Blatt-Simcoe to be outfitted. We expect first delivery of transition pieces to Virginia during the second quarter. All 161 miles of onshore underground cable has been manufactured and approximately 200 out of 600 miles of offshore cable has been produced. Schedule for the manufacturing of our turbines remains on track. It's worth noting that even though we won't begin turbine installation until 2025 per our schedule, DMA is currently supporting an installation campaign for a project off the coast of Scotland that's using the same Siemens Gamesa wind turbine model that CVAO will use. The lessons learned from that project will benefit our project installation in the future. Moving onshore, Construction activities have begun, including civil work, horizontal directional drills, and the bores where the export cables come ashore. On regulatory, last November we made our 2023 rider filing, representing $486 million of annual revenue. We're currently in the testimony phase and expect a final order by August. Turning to slide six, there have been no changes to the project's expected LCOE of $77 per megawatt hour. We've again provided sensitivities to show how the average lifetime cost to our customers is impacted by capital costs, capacity factor, and interest rates. We remain well below the legislative prudency cap on this metric. Project to date, we've invested approximately $3 billion, and we expect to spend an additional $3 billion by year-end 2024. A little more than 92% of project costs are now fixed. will gradually increase that percentage over the remainder of the project construction timeline. At this stage of project completion, the current unused contingency at $351 million benchmarks competitively as a percentage of total budgeted costs when compared to other large infrastructure projects we've studied. It also compares favorably to the current level of unfixed costs. We've been very clear with our team and with our suppliers and partners that delivery of an on-budget project is the expectation. Along those lines, this morning we posted an important video update to our investor relations website that features representatives from the senior executive management teams of all of our primary CEVOW commercial partners, including Siemens Gamesa Renewable Energy, EEW, Blatt Industries, Simcoe Maritime, Deme and Prismian, as well as the CEO of Citrium, the constructor of our Jones Act-compliant installation vessel. I strongly encourage our investors, government and regulatory partners, employees, and other stakeholders to watch the short video. You'll hear, in their own words, a chorus of unwavering enthusiasm for and commitment to an on-time and on-budget in-service for the project. We're fortunate to enjoy such extraordinary support from our key suppliers, and together we will deliver this exciting project. Moving to slide eight, a couple of final points here on Charybdis. The vessel is currently 82% complete, up from 77% as of our last update. No change to our expected delivery timeframe of late 2024 or early 2025. A few highlights. Labor levels have increased to over 1,200 and are continuing to be augmented as compared to approximately 1,000 last October and 800 last August. Recent construction milestones have been met, including installation of the remaining jack-up legs. Jack-up system commissioning is underway. All major subcomponents are on site and awaiting installation. We expect the vessel to be floated in coming weeks. And there's been no change to project costs of $625 million, including financing costs. In summary, there's no change to the vessel's expected availability to support the current CEVAL construction schedule, including its availability to support any third-party charter agreements in 2025. As you can see, we feel very good about the progress we're making with the support of our project partners towards an on-time and on-budget completion of this very important project. Throughout our robust and competitive offshore wind process, we had multiple high-quality strategic and financial potential partners deploy significant operational, regulatory, commercial, financial, and legal resources to thoroughly diligence every aspect of the project. And the consensus independent feedback was that the Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind Project is optimally positioned to be delivered on time and on budget. and is supported by enthusiastic and committed suppliers and partners. With that, let me walk through the CEVOW transactions starting with slide nine. We're excited to be partnering with Stone Peak, one of the world's largest energy infrastructure investors with over $61 billion in assets under management. Stone Peak has a track record of investment in large and complex energy infrastructure projects, including offshore wind. Their significant financial participation will benefit both our project and our customers. On transaction structure, Stone Peak will invest in a newly formed subsidiary of Dominion Energy Virginia. It will be a public utility in Virginia and be entitled to recover its prudently incurred cost of constructing and operating the project under the existing offshore wind rider in Virginia. Dominion Energy will retain full operational control of the construction and operations of CVAO, and as a result, we expect to consolidate the partnership for accounting purposes. Stonepeak will own a non-controlling equity interest and will have customary minority interest rights. On cost sharing, the agreement provides for robust cost sharing that significantly improves the company's credit profile and provides meaningful protection from any unforeseen project cost increases. Mandatory capital contributions, including an initial reimbursement, will be used to fund expenditures up to $11.3 billion on a 50-50 pro rata basis. This represents 50-50 cost sharing up to 15% or nearly $1.5 billion higher than the project's current budget, including unused contingency, and up to 20% or nearly $2 billion higher than the project's current pre-contingency budget. The agreement also provides for additional sharing of project costs, if any, between $11.3 billion and $13.7 billion. In that hypothetical case, Stone Peak would continue to share in project costs through a gradually increasing spectrum of dilution to Dominion's share of project ownership. Slide 10 shows how Dominion and Stone Peak will share project funding and ownership under a variety of hypothetical cost scenarios. And I stress hypothetical because we fully expect to deliver this project on time and on budget. Turning to slide 11. At closing, Stone Peak will make a cash payment to Dominion to reimburse 50% of the capital spent to date, less $145 million. This nearly $3 billion project cost reimbursement will be used to reduce parent level debt. Thereafter, Stone Peak will fund their pro rata share of capital calls during construction consistent with the schedule included in the appendix of today's materials. At commercial operation, Stone Peak will make a payment to Dominion Energy the amount of which will depend on the final construction cost as shown on the slide. The transaction requires approvals from the Virginia SCC and North Carolina Utilities Commission, as well as certain consents from BOEM and other regulatory agencies regarding the assignment of certain contracts and permits needed for the partnership post-closing. We expect to obtain all necessary approvals and consents by the end of 2024. Continuing to slide 12, I'm confident that this partnership is in the long-term best interest of our customers and our shareholders. The transaction achieves several key objectives. First, it adds an attractive, well-capitalized, and high-quality partner who brings a track record of investment in large and complex infrastructure projects, including offshore wind, that will further de-risk what is already a significantly de-risked and well-developed project. Second, it provides for robust cost sharing, and provides meaningful protection from any unforeseen project cost increases. And third, it improves our quantitative and qualitative business risk profile via a highly credit-positive partnership. The transaction will improve our credit profile, reduce project concentration risk, and lower our financing needs during construction. Further, the transaction is expected to improve our estimated 2024 consolidated FFO to debt by approximately 1%. Importantly, we reviewed the transaction with our credit rating agencies in advance of signing, and based on their feedback, we expect the transaction to be viewed as unambiguously credit positive, and that is a very key benefit for our customers. A financially healthy utility with a strong balance sheet is optimally positioned to attract the capital it needs to provide an exceptional customer experience and support the state's economic and environmental goals. In other words, This partnership will reduce our company's business and financial risk profile, which benefits our customers. Let me provide a few final updates on the business review to conclude my prepared remarks. Turning to slide 13, we're working methodically towards regulatory approvals and timely closings for the sale of our gas utilities. No changes to our original expectations in any of these cases. We look forward to continuing to work with involved parties and expect regulatory proceedings to conclude and staggered transaction closings to occur during 2024. We intend to apply 100% of the estimated after-tax proceeds of nearly $9 billion to reduce parent-level debt, which based on current rates will result in the reduction of around $500 million of pre-tax interest expense annually. Next, Virginia regulation. As part of the business review, we supported reasonable regulatory reform that positions Dominion Energy Virginia to serve customers, support the state's goals, and compete for investor capital in support of our customer beneficial investments. Last November, Dominion Energy Virginia, State Corporation Commission staff, the Office of the Attorney General, and other key parties reached a comprehensive settlement in the current biennial review. No parties to the case opposed the settlement. And last month, these same key parties reiterated their support for the original Comprehensive Agreement. We expect a final order in early March. On a related topic, last month the General Assembly unanimously elected Sam Towle and Kelsey Baggett to serve as members of the State Corporation Commission, filling the two outstanding vacancies on the Commission. They have extensive experience in both government and the private sector, and we look forward to working cooperatively with these well-qualified new members. Turning now to slide 14, there have been no changes to our original business review commitments and priorities. First, for the avoidance of doubt, we have been and continue to be 100% committed to our current dividend. Earnings growth combined with a period of low to no dividend growth will restore our payout ratio to a peer appropriate range over time. Second, last year the board in direct response to investor feedback modified my compensation structure for 2023 to align my economic incentives more closely with the financial interests of our shareholders. As a result, 100% of my 2023 long-term incentive compensation was performance-based. Last month, the Board approved my 2024 long-term compensation plan that, like last year, is 100% performance-based. 65% is premised solely on three-year relative total shareholder return, with a 65th percentile relative performance required to achieve a 100% payout. This represents a high bar relative to industry practice, but I believe it appropriately aligns my financial interests with those of our shareholders. Additional details around the increasing alignment of my compensation with our owners' interests will be available in our proxy statement, which will be published in March. Certainly, this has been a difficult time for our investors, and I want them to understand how seriously I take that. Third, we've continued to focus on costs and identify incremental savings, particularly in the area of corporate overhead. We are, have been, and will continue to be one of the most efficient and most reliable electric utility companies in the country. Finally, we've been focused on evaluating investor feedback around perceived earnings quality and plan risks. In his prepared remarks, Stephen will provide an update on our treatment of unregulated investment tax credits, and assumptions around our retirement benefit plans. Turning to slide 15, today's announcement of an offshore wind partner marks the final strategic step of the business review. We're in the process of finalizing our financial plan, which will allow us to conclude the review. We've scheduled an investor meeting on March 1st, at which time we will provide a comprehensive strategic and financial update for the company and participate in a question and answer session. We encourage our investors and other stakeholders to participate virtually as their schedule allows. Following the event, we plan to initiate a comprehensive investor engagement effort to meet with our existing and prospective investors. As we prepare to conclude the review, I am more optimistic than I have ever been about the future of our company. We recognize that we must consistently execute against the financial targets we provide at the conclusion of the review. As is always the case, I am accountable for and my entire leadership team has embraced our commitment to consistently deliver high-quality earnings growth that meets that plan. With that, I'll turn the call over to Steven.
spk01: Thank you, Bob, and good morning. Our fourth quarter 2023 operating earnings were 29 cents per share. Full year 2023 operating earnings were $1.99 per share. full year gap net income was $2.29 per share. A summary of all adjustments between operating and reported results is included in schedule two of the earnings release kit. As shown on slide 16, we've provided a reconciliation of actual operating earnings relative to the guidance we provided on the last earnings call. There were three key drivers for the variance to guidance. First, during the fourth quarter, we experienced two cents of worse than normal weather in our utility service territories, Second, we incurred 3 cents of hurt related to certain outages at Millstone. Third, as part of the business review and after we had given earnings guidance in November, we elected to change our accounting methodology for the way we recognize investment tax credits in earnings. This resulted in a 2 cent quarterly and 7 cent annual negative variance to guidance. I'll expand more on this accounting methodology change in a moment. A summary of all drivers for earnings relative to the prior year period is included in Schedule 4 of the earnings release kit. As we mentioned on our last earnings call, we view 2023 as a transition year for the company due to the pending results of actions we've taken as part of the business review to support our long-term objectives. With that in mind, let me refresh our housekeeping around 2023 results. In 2023, our operating earnings per share were $1.99. Similar to last quarter, we believe it warrants highlighting many of the same adjustments that investors may consider to more accurately assess 2023 results. First, We experienced historically mild weather during 2023, representing 18 cents of full-year earnings headswinds, including 2 cents in the fourth quarter. Recall that the second quarter was the mildest quarter relative to 15-year normal in the last 50 years. We don't expect weather to deviate from historical normal in this manner going forward. Second, we continue to expect approximately 50 cents of annualized interest savings from parent-level debt repayment driven by the sales of Cove Point and the gas utilities. Remember, the way discontinued operations is reflected in our 2023 results, 100% of the earnings from these assets are removed, but the benefit from use of sale proceeds is not captured. Third, 2023 results include approximately 11 cents of unexpected and unlikely to repeat hurt from extended plant or unplanned outages at Millstote, including 3 cents in the fourth quarter. We've continued to follow through on the steps discussed in previous earnings calls to ensure the plant performs consistent with its strong operating history. Note also that 2023 was a standard double fueling outage year, which is an additional around 10 cent hurt in 2023 that we won't see in the next two years, as double plant outages occur once every three years. Fourth, we expect approximately 15 cents of improvement as a result of the anticipated inclusion of market-based revenues from certain customers in the annual fuel factor, as well as lower interest expense due to the securitization of $1.3 billion of deferred fuel balances that we financed with short-term debt during 2023. We closed on the fuel securitization transaction last week. The transaction was met with very strong demand, which allowed us to deliver a great result for our customers. Finally, and in the opposite direction, we expect approximately 18 cents of additional hurt related to the $350 million annual Virginia rider revenue reduction at DEV, given that rate reduction did not impact first half 2023 results. Taken together, these adjustments would result in an illustrative 2023 operating earnings per share of around $2.85. As we said last quarter, some of the transition we experienced in 2023 will continue into 2024, which is why we continue to view 2025 as the foundational year for the company's post-review financial performance. As part of the investor meeting, we will provide a comprehensive strategic and financial outlook that will run through 2029 and include operating earnings per share, EPS growth, credit, dividend, CapEx, and financing guidance, as well as other relevant financial information. We believe that this presentation will provide reference information and insights that will help investors to better understand Dominion Energy's updated profile, as well as the key value drivers of each of our business segments. By way of reminder, the comments I made in the last call about drivers of 2025 earnings are unchanged and replicated on slide 17. I'll turn now to the reference Bob made in his prepared remarks regarding our evaluation of investor feedback around perceived earnings quality and plan risks. By way of background, over the last several months, we've engaged directly and extensively with our shareholders and received valuable feedback, much of which has affirmed our business review commitments and priorities. One consistent theme we have heard is dissatisfaction with past earnings quality and plan assumption risk levels, and we've taken that feedback seriously. We've made specific commitments around not pursuing unregulated solar investments for the purposes of generating upfront operating earnings from tax credits or reflecting gains from certain asset sales and operating earnings, those commitments are unchanged. Today, we're taking two additional steps. First, in December, we formally elected to change our accounting methodology for the way we recognize investment tax credits and earnings. Let me walk through the background and rationale for this accounting methodology change. Historically, Dominion Energy used what's called the flow-through accounting method, under which 100% of the income associated with non-regulated investment tax credits was recognized immediately upon the project entering service. Our past use of the flow-through method led to some very substantial operating earnings volatility associated with credits generated by unregulated solar investments. As a result of the Inflation Reduction Act, Our previously committed investments in dairy and swine renewable natural gas projects are now eligible for investment tax credits. Absent a change in accounting method, these RNG credits would create operating earnings volatility identical to past unregulated solar credits. Therefore, we've made a change from the flow-through method to the deferral method. Under the deferral method, investment tracks credit income is recognized over the expected life of the asset, which in the case of renewable natural gas projects is 30 years. Switching to the deferral method reduces ITC-related earnings volatility. In addition, the deferral method is considered the preferred method under GAAP and is the predominant practice amongst peer utility companies. This change in accounting method also aligns the treatment of our non-regulated ITCs with the treatment of our regulated ITCs, thereby creating additional consistency. So what does this change to a more preferable accounting method mean for past, present, and future results? Dominion Energy will recast, as reflected in the earnings materials released today, its financial results to apply the deferral method to ITC income that was historically recognized under the flow-through method. A summary of the affected line items will be presented in our upcoming Form 10-K, which we expect to file tomorrow. I've explained the impact on 2023 results. Our November guidance was based on the flow-through methodology. The adoption of the deferral method combined with changes in RNG project completion dates impacted actual results versus guidance. A number of projects that were originally expected to be completed in 2023 are now expected to achieve substantial completion in 2024. ITC income from those projects will now be recognized gradually over their estimated 30-year useful lives. As we look forward through 2029, we expect ITC income, including renewable natural gas generated credits, to account on average for approximately 3 to 4 cents of annual operating earnings per share. For the avoidance of doubt, there is no change to the underlying economics of R&G investments because there is no change in the underlying cash flows. While this change in accounting methodology impacts when an investment tax credit is recognized in book income, The cash value of the tax credits are the same under either methodology. Now let me share a few comments on our retirement benefit plans as shown on slide 19. We are evaluating a rebalancing of plan assets from return seeking toward lower risk classes. This is expected to reduce future funding risk and overall plan asset variability. This evaluation will take place during 2024 with the final reallocation of assets occurring in early 2025. Let me address what I expect may be some questions related to this decision. First, the background. Dominion Energy was later than many other companies to move away from offering traditional defined benefit pension plans to new employees, and as a result, still has several thousand employees that are accruing final average pay retirement benefits under traditional pension plans. This results in a relatively long liability duration, which we estimate to be in the 75th percentile relative to a large sample of corporate plan sponsors. Dominion Energy's current expected return on assets, or EROA assumption, is based on an asset allocation which reflects the long-dated nature of our liabilities. Next, why now? Given the robust funding levels across our retirement benefit plans, specifically 117% in aggregate at year end, We believe that now is the time to evaluate ways to de-risk plan assets by rebalancing toward lower risk asset classes that reduce volatility and increase the portfolio's implied hedge ratio. Finally, what's the impact to our financial plan? The determination of your row is subject to many factors, including equity returns and interest rates, and we cannot at this time predict precisely what our future assumptions will be. However... For illustrative purposes, we believe a rebalancing could result in a 100 basis point reduction in our EROA, which would put our assumption roughly in line with peers. Such a reduction in EROA would reduce operating earnings each year by 8 to 10 cents per share. Further, under a 100 basis point EROA reduction scenario, we expect retirement plan related operating earnings per share to account on average between 2025 and 2029 for around 20 cents per share. With that, let me summarize our remarks on slide 20. Our annual safety performance was the second best in our company's history. We continue to make the necessary investments to provide the reliable, affordable, and increasingly clean energy that powers our customers every day. Our offshore wind project is on time and on budget. We've taken significant steps to achieve the objectives of the business review, including adding a non-controlling equity financing partner for CVAO. We are moving with urgency and care to complete the review. We recognize the importance of delivering a compelling result and executing flawlessly thereafter. And we look forward to concluding the review and discussing our strategic and financial update at our March 1st investor meeting. With that, we are ready for your questions.
spk03: Thank you. At this time, we will open the floor for questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press the star key followed by the one key on your touchtone phone now. If at any time you would like to remove yourself from the question queue, please press star two. Again, to ask a question at this time, please press star one now. We'll pause for a moment to allow questions to queue. And we'll take our first question from the line of Char Perez with Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead.
spk04: Can you hear me, Bob? Yes. Excellent, excellent. Just obviously congrats on the sale and getting the review to this point. Just on the process itself, can you just maybe speak a little bit more in depth of the bidding interest and why you settled? on the sharing structure in the agreement. And just to confirm, this is a true sort of 50-50 pro rata sharing through the 11.3 billion, right? So the 1% difference in slide 10, this is just tied to the potential movement of the withholding amount. Is that correct?
spk06: You have that exactly right, Char. So it is 50-50 through 11-3, and then there's the adjustment that we described. So on the process, we attracted... quite a bit of interest from financial and strategic counterparties. We talked a little bit about that on the last call that we were in late stages with several attractive parties. And they diligenced this project extensively. They came in with their own experts in offshore wind, obviously, teams related to regulation, finance, and so forth. And what was really encouraging to me was to hear unanimously from parties who participated how well this project is going. So there was nobody who got in diligence who was concerned about the project at all, and that was really helpful. So then as we thought about how we were going to choose a partner, You know, if you refer back to some of the things that we've said before on the last call, we noted the importance of having pro rata sharing of costs, and we've achieved that here, and we feel very good about that. We said that we needed a transaction that made sense for our customers and our shareholders and that was in keeping with the objectives that we set out in terms of the business review, and we believe this transaction with Stone Peak meets that extremely well. The cost sharing with protection from any hypothetical or unforeseen project cost increases, but having a well-capitalized partner to help us there was critical. And improving our credit profile means that this is going to be extraordinarily beneficial for our customers and our capital providers. So this is a very good deal. We're very pleased with it. We're pleased with the way the process worked.
spk04: Do you have an option to farm down a stake again in any sort of succeeding offshore wind projects, let's say CVOW2?
spk06: Um, this, uh, legislation that, uh, permitted this, uh, partnership structure, I think was designed for this, uh, project. And so we're focused very heavily on, on time, on budget, on offshore wind right now. And we've got a very good partner to work with to do that.
spk04: Got it. And then just lastly, uh, not to get too far ahead of next week. Um, um, you've obviously sought to minimize external equity through this whole process. I guess, how does this announcement today inform your views around this, especially as we're thinking about an ATM versus a block? And are there sort of any other efficient sources remaining we should be aware of, thinking particularly around the vessel here with RNG maybe off the table? Thanks.
spk01: Thanks, Char. Steve, I'll take it. So what we've said is that the offshore wind is the final strategic step in our process. and that next week we look forward to sharing our comprehensive strategic and financial plan. We're not going to comment today on any specifics with regard to financing plan. I'd reiterate what we've shared since the beginning of the review, that we're seeking to meet and exceed our downgrade thresholds while seeking also to minimize the amount of external equity need. We think that the transactions we've announced to date have been very supportive of our objective. But we'll provide a fulsome plan next week, and I think we're going to hold off on giving pieces and parts until we get there.
spk04: Fantastic, guys. Congrats, and we'll chat next week.
spk01: Thanks, sir.
spk03: And we'll take our next question from the line of Nick Campanella with Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk08: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions and seeing the interest in today. So, yeah, congrats. Hey, so I guess just you had this view in the slide out on 2025 considerations on the third quarter call and the drivers are largely the same, but you've also kind of introduced this pension and ITC disclosure. So I guess just as you kind of think through the eight to 10 cents of detriment and then from pension and then the three to four cents of ITC, is that kind of incremental to that 2025 view?
spk01: Yeah, Nick, this is Steve. So just to be clear, we have never given 2025 guidance, and we've been very careful not to do that. On the last call, we talked about sharing that list to emphasize the fact that in order to create a view on 2025 as an external party, you need to be thoughtful about a variety of factors, many of which we haven't given any information on. And we went through that list just to highlight what some of those could be. We don't have insight into what folks have assumed around ITC or UROA in any of their internal models or estimates, so it's very difficult for us to be in a position to sort of describe how they ought to consider our updated information on those topics today in their view. And we're going to hold off from sort of providing anything like that. What I can say is we look forward, again, to sharing what we think will be a very compelling result next week. And we've tried to be thorough in helping folks understand, again, what some of those drivers that they ought to be considering should be.
spk08: Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. And I guess just it's great to hear the agency feedback. It does seem like it was positive, and you're highlighting 100 basis points increased at the foot of debt from this transaction. I guess just from a numeric perspective versus where the agencies want you to be out of this review, where does that kind of put you holistically?
spk01: Yeah, Nick, again, we're not going to disclose kind of where our pro forma credit metrics are going to be. We'll provide that next week. Certainly from a qualitative and quantitative perspective, the agencies have been publicly forthcoming with regard to their support of the steps we've been taking in the review. And so we'll, again, we'll not trying to be coy, but trying to be consistent with how we've approached the review for the last you know, 15 months. We're not going to give you our sort of pro forma credit view. We'll provide that next week.
spk08: Understood. Understood. Looking forward to next week and congrats again. Thank you.
spk01: Thanks, Nick.
spk03: And we'll take our next question from the line of Jeremy Tonnet with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. One moment, please. Please go ahead, Jeremy.
spk05: Hi. Good morning.
spk06: Morning, Jeremy.
spk05: Hi. Just wanted to kind of follow up on that last line of questioning a bit and appreciate there's some things that won't be said today, be said next week. But, you know, some of the agency communications that we had seen, you know, said that current, you know, FFO to debt, you know, with this type of arrangement would look very strong, but then over the construction cycle, you know, that would soften and put pressure there. and was just wondering if you have anything you can share there as far as thoughts on how that stacks up, if the agencies have previewed this transaction or just any other thoughts in general, I guess, over the time period, the pressures that cash drag this project.
spk01: Yeah. Thanks, Jeremy. So what I would say on that topic is Generally, I think we agree with effectively how the agencies were describing it, which was some pre-funding of some very heavy capital plans that we have in our plan, which we've talked about in previous calls. We haven't given specific numbers. Tomorrow, when the cake comes out, you'll see our capital investment this year is $10 billion, which is relative to an average of $6 billion for our company. And so there was effectively some pre-funding from asset sales, and I think that's what they were signaling. Just generally on our relationship with the agencies, we don't speak for them. And I will say that we have been very deliberate throughout the process in making sure that they understood in some detail, some confidential detail, how we were thinking about the review and gathering their perspectives as it related to how they think about our company. And that has extended some, I can share, it's extended to some formal engagements with rating agencies that have allowed us to make sure that we have a good sense of where they are relative to how we're thinking about our plan and our business risk profile. And with regard to this transaction specifically, as I mentioned, and as we typically will do, we walked them through in some fairly detailed manner the terms of the offshore wind partnership transaction before we signed and made sure that we were comfortable indicating in our script today that we think that they'll view it as unambiguously credit positive.
spk05: Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you for that. And I just wanted to pivot a little bit. Maybe, might have missed it here, but language around the dividend, dividend outlook here. Is there any new messaging that we should take away or should we just be waiting for next week?
spk06: There is no new messaging. It's the same as it has been since we started, which is we are 100% committed to the current dividend.
spk01: And Jeremy, I'll go out on a limb and suggest that you won't hear something different next week either on the dividend. Sort of beat that like a drum this whole time period. So I don't want people to think that We're saying that today, and we'll change our tune next week. We're obviously aware of trends in the space around payout ratios. We're aware of that, but no change. And you shouldn't expect a change next week from what we've said publicly around our dividend and where we see the dividend going over time.
spk05: Got it. That's very helpful. I'll leave it there. Thanks.
spk01: Thanks, Jeremy.
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spk01: Operator, it sounds like there's a technical issue. I know there were some other folks in the queue before that. We apologize, of course.
spk03: We are getting people re-queued now.
spk01: All right, thanks.
spk03: Okay, we'll take the question from Jeremy Tonnet next. One moment, please. Please go ahead, Jeremy, with J.P. Morgan.
spk05: Hi, good morning. I figured I would take another shot here if there was room. And, you know, just realizing, you know, all the news today is very fresh, but maybe if you could provide any more color with regards to – stakeholder feedback at this point or from the regulators, I guess, just how you're expecting this transaction to move forward?
spk06: Yeah, Jeremy, we just talked to the regulatory staff this morning after the announcement went out. But let me just talk sort of generally about how we expect this to be received. So just start with the process. We need to get approval from the State Corporation Commission in Virginia, the North Carolina Utilities Commission. We need some administrative approvals from BOEM, but the primary approvals are at the state level. And as I mentioned earlier, and as I believe you know, legislation that was passed unanimously in Virginia last year enabled this partnership structure that we've put together. So it has to be approved by the SEC under the Utility Affiliates and Transfers Act, and the standard there is adequate service at reasonable rates have to be maintained. and that the arrangements are otherwise in the public interest. And then we need Affiliates Act approval in North Carolina as well. In Virginia, that Affiliates Act approval has a statutory timeline of 90 days. The other regulatory approvals don't have particular timelines on them, but we think it's reasonable to assume we'd get approval by the end of the year. So that's the process. But if you sort of step back for a moment, uh... both virginia and north carolina policymakers both understand the value of a strong balance sheet you know if you look at virginia's general obligation bonds they've been rated triple a by moody's since nineteen thirty eight by s and p since nineteen sixty two and by pitch since nineteen ninety one and i can tell you that when you talk to policymakers in virginia about the triple a bond rating they usually use the adjective coveted uh... and that's because they realize that A strong balance sheet for the state allows them to provide the best service to their constituents, and the same is true for our company. If we have a healthy balance sheet, we're going to provide the best customer experience. We're going to be able to invest to meet the state's goals. That is a very compelling reason for regulators to approve this transaction, and I'm highly confident that they'll see the benefits and approve it.
spk05: Got it. That's very helpful there. Thanks. And, you know, maybe if you might be able to talk a little bit more, I guess, on the emerging PJM transmission opportunity, you know, with PJM recently increasing the 10-year local load growth CAGR and, you know, domains' ability to capitalize on these needs.
spk06: Diane, I'll talk a little bit about that. And, Jeremy, we're quite impressed with your ability to navigate the technical issues here.
spk11: Yes. Good morning, Jeremy. So yeah, you're absolutely right. The latest PJM forecast was somewhat higher than last year. So we're at about five and a half percent a year in Dom zone. Some of that is with our neighboring co-ops that are within our zone. We continue to see a lot of transmission investment opportunities. In the last PJM open window, there were about $2.5 billion of additional projects that were awarded to us. Much of that supports growth in the data centers, and we fully expect there will be additional projects in future years to keep pace with that demand growth.
spk05: Got it. That's helpful. I'll leave it there. Thank you very much.
spk06: Thanks, Jeremy.
spk03: And our next question, please state your name and company name before asking your question. Please go ahead.
spk10: Hi. This is Steve Fleischman. Is that me? Yes.
spk02: Hey, Steve.
spk10: We can hear you. Hey. OK. Steve Fleischman.
spk06: Thank you for hanging in there. Thank you.
spk10: Yeah. My pleasure. That was interesting. I guess just I assume you can't really comment on where the FFO to debt is laying out overall, but should we assume based on kind of that the downgrade thresholds that we've seen in the past are likely to stay the same by the agencies from this review? Yes. Okay. That's helpful. and uh also just a a side question on it you know it was a quiet legislative session this year as far as i can tell i just want to make sure there was nothing going on in the legislative session uh that we should be aware of uh steve your characterization is accurate the major issues the general assembly was dealing with didn't have much to do with energy they obviously elected the sec judges and you know there were
spk06: legislative proposals related to energy, but there are none that are still active in the General Assembly at this point.
spk10: Okay. I'll leave it there. Thank you.
spk03: And we'll take our next question from the line of Ross Fowler with UBS. Please go ahead.
spk09: Good morning. Morning, Ross. Morning, Ross. So a couple of questions. Commercial load growth was up almost 9% in 2023. And I think you guys talked a little bit about data centers. But if I remember correctly, there were a lot of constraints in sort of putting data centers into Northern Virginia because of transmission. How do you think about that growth going forward into 2024? You know, is there a constraint that limits that in 2024, or should I be thinking about something of the same scale over the coming year?
spk06: So when you say Northern Virginia, it was one area of Loudoun County, Virginia, which is where there are a heavy concentration of data centers. And we did have some transmission constraints. We've undertaken several shorter-term projects that we've either completed or about to complete. And then we have ultimately two transmission line, 500 kV transmission line projects, one of which is underway. The other is in the regulatory process. those frankly that first one of those two 500 lines will relieve the constraint and loud and we've been able to start up uh connects on data centers we had a brief period where we took a pause to make sure we understood exactly what we were doing but we've restarted but the broader question um is we will absolutely be able to serve the data center growth that we expect uh is coming it will require investment in transmission. Diane just talked about that out of the most recent PJM open window. We've had a lot of data center growth in our company and our service territory for some years. We have very good relationships with the data centers, and we expect to see that growth continue, and we expect to be able to serve it.
spk09: That's great, Bob. Thank you for that update. And then one more, if I may. I appreciate you can't answer a lot of questions around a lot of things today until we get to the analyst day next week, but hopefully one you can discuss. Fixed costs are now, I think, at 92, just north of 92% on this, and there's about 700, just south of 750 million on fixed costs. How are you thinking about your capabilities and timeline to lock more of that on fixed costs? in on this project?
spk06: Yeah, it will come in sort of gradually as we move closer to the end of the project. You know, the way it worked earlier, we would lock in a contract and you might get a pretty big chunk at one time or another. From here on out, it's some onshore transmission, it's fuel for vessels that will be doing the offshore construction, and that's just going to sort of come down over time.
spk11: And the only other is miscellaneous project management costs, just our own project management through time. So those are the largest factors.
spk09: Okay, perfect. Thank you. I'll leave it there.
spk03: And we'll take our last question from the line of Durgish Chopra with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. We're not through.
spk07: Good morning. I made it. Two quick questions. Sorry. I just want to be absolutely clear. With the announced offshore sale, this is the last asset sale that we should be expecting or other portfolio optimizations we should be expecting heading into the investor day next week?
spk06: You're correct. That's the last one. As we signaled on the Last call, the potential for an offshore wind equity partner was the last strategic step. We've taken that step.
spk07: Got it. And then just one small net, you know, maybe this is for Steve. When we talk about the ITC accounting change and then the pension accounting change, Steve, can you just remind us what is embedded in your 23 representative number there, EPS number there? you know, what is currently baked into that number?
spk01: Yeah. In 2023, you'll see in footnote 22 of the 10K tomorrow, you can actually calculate it. We disclose all this. You'll see that in 2023, we'll have generated about 40 cents of earnings associated with pension-related income. And so going forward, we've talked a little bit about EROA, There's another driver that I'll talk just briefly about that would bring us from 40 closer to that average of 20. We, like the majority of corporate sponsors of pension plans, we calculate one of those key numbers, our expected return, which, like interest costs and service costs, is a component of the net income or expense for pension. we effectively smooth the actual asset returns over a four-year period and apply our expected return on asset to that sort of smoothed asset value. And that's not only permissible, that's standard. Some people smooth, I think, over five years. We smooth over four years. Again, that's pretty standard. And because of 2022's performance, at least in our portfolio, where we experienced a very significant loss to value across, to be honest, both the equity and fixed income portions of our portfolio, which, again, I don't think is unusual for folks. What you'll see between 23, 24, 25, and 26 is you see that smoothing occur such that the impact of that loss is fully recognized by 2026. Now, it's not just as simple as saying, you know, 22 is down and I'm going to take a portion of that each year. Every year we do that. So you effectively have this stacked Excel spreadsheet where each year you're adding a little more of the prior year, and some years are dropping off that schedule. So it's a net look of your asset value with this smoothing construct. Hopefully I haven't just confused you. But as a result of 2022's hurt flowing through, that will be a driver. If you're at $0.40 today and you're telling us it needs to be closer to $0.20 and you've given us a sensitivity around 100 basis points, how would you get to the next? That's a big driver of that remaining amount. For ITC, in 2023, as a result of the switch to deferral method, I think we'll end up with something like $0.03 in our 2023 results. And again, what that's from is the recast of historical results we go back and we say, hey, if we had not accounted for this as a flow-through, if we had counted for it as a deferral, some of that value is over that 30-year period. So as I mentioned, $0.03 to $0.04 of expected operating EPS from ITC credit going forward, and that's about where we would be in 2023 as well.
spk07: Perfect. And Steve, just to be clear, I apologize. This is into the weeds. So if I'm thinking about prospective EPS, net-net, we should be, versus 23, 285.23, we should be 20 cents lower net-net, right? ITC being just kind of the same and pension being 20 cents lower.
spk01: Yeah, it's not probably quite so precise. We're giving you 20 cents as the average over 25 through 29, and there is some fluctuation in that. But generically, versus 20.23, 40 cents would be moving something to closer to 20 cents over the 25 through 29 period. Thank you, Steve.
spk03: Thank you. This does conclude this morning's conference call. You may disconnect your lines and enjoy your day. Thank you.
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