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spk00: Good day and welcome to the Denauss Corporation conference call to discuss the financial results for the three months ended September 30th, 2021. As a reminder, today's call has been recorded. Hosting the call today is Dr. John Kustas, Chief Executive Officer of Denauss Corporation and Mr. Evangelos Hatzis, Chief Financial Officer of Denauss Corporation. Dr. Kustas and Mr. Hatzis we'll be making some introductory comments, and then we will open the call to a question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on the touchstone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Dr. John Kustas. Doctor, the floor is yours, sir.
spk01: Thank you, operator, and good morning to everyone. This is Evangelos Hadiz, CFO. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining. Before we begin, I quickly want to remind everyone that management's remarks this morning may contain certain forward-looking statements and that actual results could differ materially from those projected today. These forward-looking statements are made as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update them. Factors that might affect future results are discussed in our silence with the SEC and we encourage you to review these detailed safe harbor and risk factor disclosures. Please also note that where we feel appropriate we will continue to refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income to evaluate our business. Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release and accompanying materials. With that, now let me turn the call over to Dr. John Christos, who will provide the broad overview of the quarter.
spk02: Thank you, Evangelos. Good morning, and thank you all for joining today's call to discuss our results for the third quarter of 2021. We are certain that everyone is aware of the wide documented disruptions to the global supply chain that continue unabated. This situation, despite its negative effect on world growth, had extremely positive effects in our market, which continued from strength to strength. Despite efforts by all participants to alleviate the disruptions to the global supply chain, there are no signs that conditions are improving. The main contributing factors are an increase in demand, lack of available vessels to satisfy such demand, and low levels of productivity in the ports and other land-based infrastructure. Additionally, as new vessel delivery in 2022 are actually expected to be lower than in 2021, we do not expect any respite, at least from the vessel supply front in the near term. In 2023, increased deliveries are forecasted, although there will be an upsetting effect from new environmental regulations that will likely tighten the effective supply of vessels due to the anticipated reduction in speed. Overall, we do not expect a dramatic difference, provided demand remains healthy. During the third quarter, we consummated the acquisition of Gemini and acquired six more than 5,500 TVU vessels, all with existing cash resources. On the back of these moves, we have achieved record EBITDA and net income. We have also expanded our charter coverage, and now we have in excess of $2 billion of charter backlog. Our share ownership in ZIM, although adjusted as per our usual practice, will also contribute around half a billion dollars to our earnings for 2021, which is outstanding. Our liquidity in terms of cash and marketable securities is still close to half a billion, and we're closely monitoring our options and strategy for next year to deliver even better results for the company. In the meantime, liner companies are announcing record results, which is extremely positive for Danaos, as the strong credit quality of our customers continues to improve. The continued strong performance of Danaos is ensured by existing charters with an average charter duration of 3.3 years, and new charters that lock in current rates for several years. We expect strong market conditions to persist in the near term, which will support a strong recharging environment into next year and should ensure our stellar performance for the next three years. Once again, the market dynamics are in our favor and we'll continue to deliver best results possible for our shareholders. With that, I'll hand the call over back to Vangelis who will take us through the financials for the quarter.
spk01: Thank you, John, and good morning again to everyone. I will briefly review the results for the quarter. and then give call participants the opportunity to ask questions. We are reporting adjusted EPS for the third quarter of 2021 of $5.32 per share or adjusted net income of $109.5 million compared to adjusted EPS of $1.91 per share or $47.3 million for the third quarter of 2020. This increase between the two quarters is mainly the result of a $77 million increase in operating revenues and a $12.3 million dividend collected from ZIM during the current quarter, partially offset by higher total operating expenses of $17.3 million due to the increase in the average size of our fleet by eight vessels between the two quarters, and an $8.3 million increase in net finance expenses. More specifically, operating revenues increased by 77 million to 195.9 million in the current quarter compared to 118.9 million in the third quarter of 2020. This increase is attributed to a 30.6 million increase in revenues as a result of higher charter rates and 15.6 million of incremental revenues as a result of the vessel additions to our fleet between the two quarters. Revenues also increased by 21.5 million mainly due to straight line revenue recognition accounting and further increased by 9.3 million being the amortization of the assumed charter liabilities of the recent vessel acquisitions. Vessel operating expenses increased by 7 million to 34.7 million in the current quarter from 27.7 million in the third quarter of 2020 mainly as a result of the increase in the average number of vessels in our fleet. While the average daily vessel operating cost increased to $5,918 per day for the current quarter from $5,467 per day in the third quarter of 2020. And that was mainly due to COVID-19 related increase in expenses and crew remuneration However, our daily operating costs still remains as one of the most competitive in the industry. GMA expenses increased by 1.3 million to 7.3 million in the current quarter compared to 6 million in the third quarter of 2020 mainly due to increased management fees due to the aforementioned increase in the size of our fleet. Interest expense excluding finance costs amortization and accruals increased by 7 million to 14 and a half million in the current quarter compared to seven and a half million in the third quarter of 2020. The increase in interest expense is a combined result of a 0.7 million increase in interest expense because of an increase in the cost of debt service by approximately 0.4%. partially upset by a decrease in our average indebtedness by approximately $80 million between the two periods and reduced positive recognition through our income statement of accumulated accrued interest of $6.3 million that had been accrued in 2018 in relation to two of our credit facilities that were refinanced this April. And as a result of such refinancing, the recognition of such accumulated interest has been significantly decreased. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 79.6% or 66.3 million to 149.6 million in the current quarter from 83.3 million in the third quarter of 2020 for the reasons outlined earlier on this call. We also encourage you to review our updated investor presentation that has already been uploaded on our website. A few of the highlights are on the operating side, over the past few months, we have forward-fixed several vessels at higher, significantly higher than current charter rates. Our investor presentation has analytical disclosure on our contracted charter book and the step-ups in the charter rate. As a result of these improved fixtures, and including the Gemini vessels that were fully consolidated on the 1st of July of 2021, and the acquisition of the six 5,500 TU wide-beam container ships, our contract backlog now stands at $2.1 billion with a 3.3-year average charter duration, while contract coverage in terms of operating days is already at 100% for this year and 90% for 2022. With that, I would like to thank you for listening to this first part of our call. Operator, we are now ready to open the call to Q&A.
spk00: Yes, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your headset before pressing the keys. If any time a question has been addressed and you'd like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Again, it is star then one to ask a question. At this time, we will just pause momentarily to assemble our roster. And the first question we have will come from Randy Gibbons of Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk03: Howdy, gentlemen.
spk00: How's it going?
spk02: Hi, Randy. How are you?
spk03: Well, doing well. So I guess my first question is, you know, you stayed in the press release. You have about 90% of days already covered in 2022, and likely that number is higher, right, when you assume the options get exercised. So I guess two-part question there for next year. How many vessels become open in 2022, and when do you expect to fix those? And then secondly, can you give some kind of EBITDA guidance For next year, it seems like $650 million is a possibility.
spk01: Thank you, Andy. Starting from the last part, we obviously do not formally provide EBITDA guidance. However, you have the comment, this quarter's EBITDA, which is $150 million. And given that over the next quarters when the new charters kick in, it's obvious that this number is going to go up. So the current, let's say, annualized Q3 points to 600. And I can tell you with a great, great degree of certainty that it's going to be north of that. Also, we have disclosed our contracted revenue for next year. and people can do their math around EBITDA margins and so forth. So that's how it relates to EBITDA. The other thing is that because this is part of earnings that in this quarter we had a dividend from ZIM. Next year, it is also anticipated that ZIM will pay out further dividends, and that will be part of our earnings, although it's a quote-unquote non-operating item, if you wish. It's not earnings from the ships themselves. But these ought to be taken into consideration when looking out for EBITDA and earnings for next year. And on your question on recharterings, yes, 10% of our days we have stated also in our presentation are open, which would point, let's say, to seven ships for the full year. It's a slightly higher number than seven because ships open up gradually within the year. I don't have the exact number at this point, but maybe 12 or 14 ships or something like that. But as you rightly pointed out, we calculate this on the back of minimum contract durations. There are options that charters have on several of these ships that one would expect will be exercised because they will remain below market, but we cannot make such assessments when publicly showing contract coverage numbers. In our 6K, for your benefit and for all investors or analysts that want to review this, there is a very analytical table with all the charter arrangements and the options so people can make up their minds themselves on what they believe may or may not be exercised.
spk03: Got it. Okay. Well, that's fair. And then now on the kind of balance sheet side, it looks like you still have about 7.2 million shares of Zim worth, I don't know, $350-plus million today. So I guess with that, any updates on timing of the sale of those? I know you trimmed a million here in the last few weeks or so. And then on the other side of that, you clearly have a, to use your term, war chest of cash now, and it's growing. What are you likely to do with that kind of excess liquidity here in the coming quarters?
spk01: Before John answers the question on the strategy around Zim, I'd like to point out that we have already spent in Q3 the Gemini acquisition was 75 odd million in net cash outflow plus 260 million for the six new ships. So we have invested our cash. Therefore, and I wouldn't call it a workshop, but the cash balance that has been built up was put to use very effectively, I'd say. Of course, it will again build up going forward, but where we are today, we believe we have utilized capital appropriately so far. And I'll let John take the same question.
spk02: Yeah. You know, we believe that... you know, the ZIN shares are actually undervalued, okay? We wanted to sell, you know, some shares because if eventually we would like, let's say, to exit, we need, you know, to assist the liquidity of ZIN shares. I think for the time being, we are done with our sales. We are going to wait also to see ZIM results, but when practically from the guidance which we are giving, you have a market cap which is equivalent to 2021 EBITDA, it's obviously you know, a very cheap stock. So, yeah, we are not in a hurry at this moment. We believe that there is significant appreciation of the stock. And, you know, as Evangelos said, we've already done significant investments. We are monitoring, let's say, if there are any exceptional opportunities to invest. Nothing like that at this moment visible. So we will continue, first of all, to optimize our debt. Of course, definitely we're going to increase the dividend. We are committed to that. So I believe that we will plan a cautious really path to solid growth both for the company and the dividend.
spk03: Perfect. Yeah, no, that's fair. I think just to reiterate, Zin is still cheap. Clearly, Danouse is still cheap. And good to hear that the dividend is going to be increased. So we'll be watching for that. Thanks so much and keep up the great work.
spk02: Thank you. Thanks, Randy.
spk00: Again, if you'd like to participate in today's Q&A, please press star, then 1 on a touchstone phone. The next question we have will come from Chris Weatherby of Citi.
spk04: Hi. This is Eli Winske sitting on for Chris Weatherby. Congrats on the quarter. Thanks for taking the call. My first one for you guys is more of a conceptual one, right? So given the higher congestion that we're seeing broadly, the upward pressure it's putting on the rate environment. What is your visibility in terms of the new builds? Do we find that some are holding off on new builds until we have more clearance on what the congestion environment might be looking like in the future?
spk02: Well, the congestion environment is not going to be solved by just more ships. So, you know, and that is exactly why we have seen in general a pause in new buildings. Of course, there are lots of ships in the pipeline, but for the time being, everybody really has kind of pushed a bit of a hold, both because new building prices have gone up, but also because we're talking about late 2024 or 2025 deliveries when no one will know exactly what the demand-supply balance is going to be. On the other front, you've probably been following what's going on on COP26, that shipping really is committed to have zero carbon shipping by 2050, but we need much more clarity about that from the governments who are going to provide the fuel for that, but also what is important Everybody understands that this creates a kind of a limit into the new buildings you order today, whether they are conventional or LNG, because these are both fossil fuel propulsion. These ships, which are going to be delivered 2025, will last well into 2050 and beyond. Every such decision today is definitely not a plus for a decarbonization horizon.
spk04: That makes sense. Thank you. I mean, just going off of that a little bit more, given the age of the current fleet right now, do you feel that you might have more of a propensity to lean towards a more eco-focused fleet? quicker than maybe some of the other peers in the marketplace might be able to? Or do you expect just to try to capitalize on the higher rate environment with the current fleet and just try to hold off as long as possible on making additional investments into the eco category?
spk02: As I said, the issue, I mean, we are definitely amongst, let's say, our peers. We definitely have the largest kind of, let's say, resources, if we want. assuming let's say also that we dispose the ZIM shares in order to let's say proceed into a significant new building program. The thing is we don't want to order let's say new buildings unless we are sure that these ships will not suffer technological obsolescence within the next, let's say, 15 to 20 years. And that is why we are extremely careful with all these decisions. And on the other hand, and I have been into various conferences lately, and it's been recognized that overall, from an environmental point of view, it makes much more sense to extend, let's say, the life of an existing ship for another five, six years to give, let's say, the appropriate timeline for research towards more zero-carbon vessels becoming available, rather than just rushing to order new ships today, but practically you will need to have them in the water for the next 25, 30 years. in order really to amortize their cost.
spk04: That makes sense. Thank you. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the coming years. I think I have three quick ones for you. In terms of the longer and improving fixtures, do you see customers asking to front load any of those contracts given lower visibility in the longer term?
spk02: There are customers who are, yeah, not a lot. It's just, yeah, a couple of them who have asked that. But this is mainly from their point of view. It's probably for their own tax considerations. You know, they have very high income, you know, during this year, 21 and 22. So they would prefer to front load the rate. And then to have, let's say, a lower rate going forward when people expect that from 2023, probably we're going to see a better normalization of the TEU rates.
spk04: Thank you. And then can you just provide a little bit of color on off-hire days and scheduled dry docks moving forward? You know, don't ask you to crystal ball it, but just any color that we can see here on the 137 off-hire days, was that just due to a broader labor shortage? Any information there would be helpful and maybe how to think about it moving forward.
spk01: I mean, we typically, Dr. Vangelos, we typically have, let's say, out of the 65 days in the year, on average the ships would operate 360 days, right? Those five days take into account unforeseen off-hires, which are very small, the way we run our ships, and also dry dockings. And that's a blended average for 10 years, so it's a pretty reliable number. Now, you, of course, have unforeseen off-hires. You may have an incident. You may have a machine failure, engine failure, whatever that may be. And those, of course, cannot be predicted. So for Q3, we did have such an incident with one of our ships, which was actually of higher for the full quarter. We don't expect that this is replicated in the coming quarters, or at least we hope it's not replicated in the coming quarters. So yeah, on a normalized run rate basis, 360 days, is something that one can work with.
spk04: That makes sense. Thank you all very much.
spk00: Thank you. Next, we have Jay Metzmeyer of Value Investors Edge.
spk05: Good morning, gentlemen. Congrats on a fantastic quarter. Excellent result.
spk01: Hi, Jay. Hi, Jay.
spk05: So the one thing I wanted to dial in on, and Randy sort of started addressing it, but you have that 1 million share sale in Zim. And the question I had on that is, you mentioned that you're done selling for now, you think Zim's cheap. So I'm a little curious, because the lockup ended at the start of September. The shares were $55, $60, $61 all September. And then they didn't drop until after, into October. They dropped to $44. It seems like you sold them at the very bottom, and now they're higher. So Was that timing just bad luck, or was it some sort of plan to sell after the quarter ended? What happened there? Because if you wanted to sell a million or two million shares, why not sell at 60?
spk02: You know, we have to admit, yes, we didn't time properly that kind of sale. It would have been much better to do it, let's say, when it was at 60. And You know, that's why we said we're going to be much more, let's say, cautious in the way that we're going to do that. As you know, with sale of shares, you know, nobody has a crystal ball. And we just hope we're going to be kind of more proactive and luckier when disposing the rest of the shares.
spk05: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, there's a lot of hindsight. The reason I ask is there's a lot of rumors swirling around that, you know, you saw rates dropping or you panicked or you didn't like Zim anymore and you decided to sell. But it sounds like it was a pre-planned timing and sale and you just got kind of unlucky. Is that fair to say?
spk02: Well, it's exactly. We had planned to – actually, we had already started a process about these 1 million shares. And, you know, then, you know, we had the lockup and then we wanted to do about, you know, a process for these shares. We wanted to institute, let's say, a beauty contest between, let's say, two investment banks. We gave them half a million each to see, you know, which one is going to sell best. And that process a bit got delayed. You know, the stock dropped. So, you know, it was just in the end we decided that, you know, it was more important for us to see, you know, how this process kind of works once we've started it rather than, you know, just try to time what's the top of the shares.
spk05: Yeah, it certainly makes sense. There's just a little bit of bad luck in the timing and it's too bad you went into all these shares earlier.
spk01: And Jay, definitely we did not panic because we are in the market. We see how strong the market is from the, say, inside, right? So we have, I mean, yes, the market was a bit, the equity capital markets were concerned during that period of time, but we were not concerned. It was a matter of unfortunate timing. But again, this was not a big chunk of shares compared to the overall position. So I think we're hopeful that our average when we complete the disposal will be much, much better.
spk05: Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think everybody, you communicated very clearly that eventually you're going to trim a little bit of your position. I think everybody expected you to sell a million or two million shares. It's a little surprising to see the price, but I think your explanation makes sense. The other question I want to ask is looking at repurchases. Your net asset value is debatable, right? It depends on how much of a charter discount you attach. I have around 140. I've seen a couple other analysts that have similar numbers, around 140 a share. You used to have a number in your slide that would show your calculation of NAV. I noticed that's not in this presentation. So question one is, do you have any sort of internal calculation that you're willing to share? And question two is, At what point does the value disconnect get so huge that you have to go back to repurchases? At what point does the disconnect just get too huge?
spk02: Well, as you can see, although we used to report actually our NAV on the basis of, let's say, relatively objective numbers, we decided to discontinue that because really continuing on the basis which we're doing it was actually producing some figures which were considerably higher than the figures which we mentioned. And we did not want really to create kind of let's say expectations for a situation of the market, you know, which actually was assuming a practically a sale of all the vessels spot at this moment. So it's very difficult, you know, to be able, you know, to adjust all that on the basis of the chart that you have and all that. Because there's been, you know, I mean, that kind of calculation was done in a more normal kind of market where you had fluctuations of 15, 20, 30% in the prices, 40%. When you're having, you know, like an appreciation of 500%, I mean, I think you get more confusion rather than objectivity of where things really are.
spk05: Yeah, definitely a quickly moving metric, right? It was fast moving. It depends on what charter discount you attach. But clearly there's a significant value disconnect here when your stock price or your entire enterprise value is less than even the value of your charters plus Zen shares plus scrap, right? I mean, the company's trading a ridiculous valuation. So at what point do you start to step in and say, okay, we have to repurchase here versus just kind of holding on to this cash?
spk02: Yeah. You know, that's a decision that we will need to visit with the board. We are closely monitoring that. We agree with you that the shares are undervalued. You know, we don't have at this moment any specific, let's say, discussion about repurchasing of shares, but definitely... The more that we grow, let's say, the cash in the company, the more this problem will become more important and revisited.
spk01: Yes, because at this point, just to add to what John said, we have used cash at hand. significant cash at hand to invest or reinvest in the business. So at this particular point, we do not have the excess liquidity that we would otherwise have. Of course, as it builds up within Q1 and Q2, the more the cash balance builds up, the more such capital allocation decisions become relevant.
spk05: All right, sounds like a moving target, but congrats on a fantastic quarter, and we're really looking forward to the next one.
spk02: Thank you very much. Thank you, Jay.
spk00: And next we have Omar Naqta of Clarkson's Securities.
spk06: Hey, guys. Good afternoon. I just wanted to ask, I noticed, and sorry if you already addressed this, but I wanted to ask, in looking in your fleet list, you were a bit opportunistic with one of your vessels, the 6500TU. I forget the name of it, but it had rolled off of its long-term contract of $34,000 a day, and it was re-upped at $110,000 for six months. So clearly, very, very strong rate. I wanted to ask you, in terms of liquidity in the chartering markets today, Is there – because there seems to have been somewhat of a pause, and there's a lot of disagreement as to whether this pause has to do with people's questions on the outlook or if it's just simply a lack of available tonnage. But if you were looking in the market today for that vessel and its sister ships that roll off, what does the liquidity look like for, say, doing another six months in this $100,000-plus? And also, what does it look like to do, say, a three- to five-year contract?
spk02: First of all, I'd like to explain that, you know, it's not in general our policy to do, let's say, just short-term charters. We rather prefer to lock in lower rates longer term. But about this specific ship, which actually holds also for another four sister ships that we have. We had an agreement with the charterer that there was going to be, that the last six months of the charter were going to be at index. So practically, we took the index from one of the brokers and that was the rate. And the same thing is going to happen with the sister ships, which are opening sometime in 2022. What the index is going to be, I don't know. But that's really behind the story behind that kind of rate. In general, there is pretty strong demand for ships. especially also because in 2022 we have lower deliveries than in 2021. And on the other hand, you know, charterers do not want to commit, let's say, the more you go forward, the less they are eager to commit, but still, you know, at pretty good rates. I mean, we have just yesterday chartered one 2001 built 2,500 TEU for three years, which is opening this one next April. And we've chartered that shift for three years at a gross rate in excess of $28,000 a day. I mean, these are really fantastic rates and maybe the same ship may have got for six months, I don't know, 60 or 70,000 or I don't know. But, you know, historically, I mean, these rates are really phenomenal.
spk06: Yeah, definitely. Thanks, John. And just One follow-up, the six eco-vessels you acquired that come with the low-market charters, any updates on the forward fixing on any of those ships, especially the ones that come up here for renewal, I think, around mid-year of 22?
spk02: We are in discussions with a number of parties. We're not in a rush. We're not in a rush exactly specifically for these vessels. Because these vessels, I mean, compete with new buildings practically. They don't compete with the older ships. I mean, today if you go into the yard to build the new 5,500 TU, that's pretty much what you're going to have. So, you know, we understand that the more we're staying towards their opening date, the better deal we're going to have. So we are in discussions, but there is no hurry. to really fix them.
spk06: Okay. All right. Well, thank you. I'll pass it on.
spk02: Thank you.
spk00: Well, it appears that we have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference call back over to Dr. Kustis for any further comments or closing remarks. Sir?
spk02: Thank you, Operator. Thank you all for joining the conference call and your continued interest in our story. Look forward to hosting you in our next earnings call. Thank you.
spk00: And we thank you, sir, also for your time today. The conference call is now concluded. At this time, you may disconnect your lines. Thank you, everyone. Take care and have a great day.
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