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Good morning, and welcome to Dana Incorporated's first quarter 2025 earnings call. Today's presentation includes forward-looking statements about our expectations for Dana's future performance. Actual results could differ from what we discuss here today. For more details about the factors that could affect future results, please refer to our Safe Harbor Statement found in our public filings and our reports with the SEC. I encourage you to visit our investor website, where you'll find this morning's press release and presentation. And as Regina said, the call today is being recorded and supporting materials are the property of Dana Incorporated. They may not be recorded, copied, or rebroadcast without a written consent. With me this morning is Bruce McDonald, Dana Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Timothy Krauss, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Bruce, now turn the call over to you to get us started.

All right, thank you, Craig, and good morning, everybody. I'll just start with on slide four here in terms of some highlights for the first quarter. I know there was a lot of interest in the off-highway divestiture process, and we're really not in a position where we can say a lot. You know, what I would tell you is the process continues to be underway. We're pleased with the progress that we've made. It's been competitive, and we have multiple bidders. If you look at the quarter, I would say we're pleased with Q1. Our results came in, you know, generally speaking, in line with expectations. I would note that we did have a little bit of a headwind on tariffs of $6 million in the quarter. You know, absent that, we would have had comparable margins to last Q1 despite a pretty big reduction on the top line. So, good result there. And we see that $6 million coming back. We just couldn't get the paperwork into our customers to get the recovery in the quarter. Real importantly for us, and we talked about this in our last earnings call, is we said we're going to look at our cost reduction plans and see what we can do to bring those forward. So, I'm pleased to announce that we're accelerating the realization of our cost program here in 2025 from what was $175 million to $225 million. We completed the integration of our former power technology segment into our aftermarket business into light vehicle and CV respectively. That's gone real well. Of the $300 million cost reduction, this integration is worth about $30 to $35 million of that. I think we're going to see further benefits, not sort of SG&A related benefits, as we leverage best practices across our aftermarket businesses. And I think as we bring some of the operational rigor and processes that we have in light vehicle to power technologies, I see operational improvements going through in the back half of this year. So, more to come on that. Then lastly, on free cash flow, Q1 is always a seasonal outflow, but we had a good start with, despite lower revenues and profitability on an absolute basis, our Q1 cash outflow was an improvement year over year of $67 million. We continue to focus on opportunities to reduce our capex, and I'm hoping that we can squeeze the money out of that in the back half of the year. And then, not that it's in free cash flow, but we are focused on a portfolio of non-core, non-strategic assets and things like that. We expect to deliver $50 million here in the second quarter, and we could see our way maybe to another $50 million in the back half of the year. Generally, a good start to the year. In terms of the outlook and what we're seeing, I guess I would start with a very dynamic situation that, especially on the tariff front, changes significantly on a daily basis. But based on what we see right now, I guess I would just say our tariff situation is manageable. We can get into a lot more detail in some of the questions, but it's a manageable issue for Dana. Several mitigation actions have been completed. We've got recoveries into our customers with the right level of detail to support our claims being processed. And I guess the other thing I would note, if you look at the steel and aluminum tariffs, we've seen North America indices move up such that we expect we substantially recover the steel and aluminum through already negotiated mechanisms that we have in place with our customers. Could be some timing issues because those tend to work in a little bit of a lag, but I would say the impact of steel and aluminum tariffs with the way the indices have moved would be kind of a non-issue for us as we see things right now. In terms of what we're seeing in the market, the first thing we are seeing is a reduction in schedules for our North American commercial vehicle customers, and you see that in some of the calls that have come out before us with people taking their assumptions from North America down, and we've reflected that in our outlook. So that's sort of been a bit of a headwind for us. And off-highway, we're seeing a little bit of pre-buy interest here in the second quarter. Nothing significant, but it's nice to see we're getting a little bit of that. And we are starting to see outside of North America some green shoots in terms of improvements and orders in the second half of the year. In North America, we aren't seeing anything in terms of LV schedules, any deterioration at this point in time. If you look at the mix of vehicles that we're exposed to, you guys all know where we've got, where our money is made. We feel pretty good about gaining, our customers gaining share in our space, and while we acknowledge there's some risk in the back half of the year, we're just being cautious right now. We don't see it reflected up in our schedules. We talked earlier about the $50 million of incremental cost reduction, and then I guess I would just say, absent tariffs, we'd be sitting here this morning raising our guidance by about $50 million to reflect the acceleration on the cost reduction side. We're just holding back until we get a little bit more clarity on what happens in LV, particularly in the second half. And lastly, just a little bit of something to brag about here, but we won our 10th PACE Awards, quite an honor in the industry. This for us is a, this hybrid transmission is kind of a niche product. It's about $25 million of sales this year. It's a product that we've rolled out across the highest end of the automotive spectrum. So customers like Aston Martin, Lamborghini, McLaren. We see this as a business opportunity to grow to $200, $250, maybe even up to $300 million over the next few years, and a highly agreed EBITDA margin. This product pushes 20%. So not a huge item, but it's an important, I think, margin expansion arrow in our quiver, and I congratulate the technical teams for winning the award. So with that, Tim, I'll turn it over to you.

Thank you, Bruce, and good morning to everyone. If you'd please turn to slide eight for a review of our first quarter results. Sales were $2.4 billion, $383 million lower than last year, driven by lower demand across all of our end markets. Adjusted EBITDA was $188 million for a profit margin of 8%, just 20 basis points lower than last year on lower sales as the benefits of our cost improvement actions begin to take hold. Net income attributable to Dana was $25 million in the first quarter of 2025, compared with $3 million last year. The difference was primarily due to the proposed divestiture of our non-core hydraulics business in 2024. A $29 million loss was recorded to adjust the carrying value of net assets to fair value in last year's first quarter. Income taxes for the first quarter of 2025 were $29 million lower due to jurisdictional mix of profits and timing of payments. Finally, operating cash flow was a use, as is normally the case in the first quarter of $37 million. This was an improvement of $65 million over the first quarter of last year due to lower working capital requirements. Please turn with me now to slide 9 for the drivers of the sales and profit change. Beginning this quarter, we have revised our walk presentation to better detail the impacts of volume mix and performance of the operations. Previously, these two drivers were combined. We continue to show the benefit of our cost saving initiative, and we have added the actual impact of tariffs as part of our walk. Beginning with volume and mix on the left, we saw $345 million lower sales driven by lower demand in all of our end markets, specifically when compared to Q1 of last year when light vehicle production increased dramatically coming off of the UAW strike at the end of 2023. This year we are seeing a slowdown in production as vehicle inventories remain high. We did not see any distinct change in order patterns from our key customers on key programs related to tariffs during the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA from sales volume and mix was lowered by $90 million. This was a decremental margin of about 25%. We are breaking out performance, which includes efficiency gains in our manufacturing separately. Performance increased sales by $27 million, mostly through commercial actions, while profit increased by $35 million due to efficiency improvements across the company. For the first quarter of 2025, cost savings added $41 million in profit through the various actions we have taken. As Bruce mentioned, we have accelerated some actions. We now expect to realize about $50 million more of our $300 million in total cost savings this year. To the left of the slide, we included a breakdown of where the permanent cost savings are coming from. You can see it's well distributed across the cost structure. The tariff impact in the quarter was just $6 million. Since our tariff recoveries will have a lag associated with them, we did not immediately recover the tariffs in the quarter, but we expect to receive recoveries throughout the year. Foreign currency translation decreased sales by $53 million, primarily driven by the lower value of the euro, real, and rupee compared to the U.S. dollar. Profit was lowered by $4 million with no impact to margin. Finally, commodity cost recoveries in the first quarter was $10 million lower than last year due to the cost mechanisms within the commodity recovery agreements with our customers. Profit was $11 million lower as the prices fall through to profit. Next I will turn to slide 10, the details of the first quarter adjusted free cash flow. Adjusted free cash flow in the first quarter of 2025 was the use of $101 million, which is $67 million higher than the first quarter last year. Lower adjusted EBITDA and higher one-time costs related to cost saving actions and the sale of the off-highway business were offset by lower working capital requirements. Finally, capital spending, net of proceeds of sales of fixed assets was about the same as last year. Please turn with me now to slide 11 for our guidance for 2025. Our 2025 full-year guidance ranges remain unchanged. As a reminder, our guidance includes the off-highway business for the full year and includes the estimated impact of disclosed tariffs. First thing you will note is that we are expecting sales to be above the midpoint of our range. The higher sales expectations are taking into account some of the softening in commercial vehicle end markets offset by the recovery of expected tariffs that will flow through sales and the improved outlook on currency translation. To date, we have not seen a change in the volume expectations of our major light vehicle programs. Our initial expectations were for slightly weaker end market demand for light trucks. If that market weakens further, we will adjust our outlook. Adjusted EBITDA is still expected to be $975 million at the midpoint of the range. This is approximately $90 million higher than 2024 and implies a profit margin of about 10%. 140 basis points increase over 2024. Full-year adjusted pre-cash flow is expected to be $225 million at the midpoint of the range for the year. This is approximately $155 million higher than last year. Our adjusted EPS guidance is expected to be $1.40 per share at the midpoint of the range. This is down from our previous estimates solely due to the change in expected tax events driven by our expected regional mix of profits. Lastly, please turn with me to slide 12 for an outlook of our adjusted pre-cash flow over 2025. We anticipate full-year 2025 adjusted pre-cash flow to be about $225 million at the midpoint of the guidance range. We expect about $90 million of higher pre-cash flow from increased adjusted EBITDA. One-time costs will be about $20 million higher as we invest in our cost savings program and we work to finalize the off-highway divestiture. Working capital requirements will be about $50 million lower and capital spending net is expected to be about $325 million this year, which is $45 million lower than 2024. Thank you and I'll now ask Regina to open the call for questions.

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. To ensure that everyone has an opportunity to participate in today's Q&A, we ask that callers limit themselves to one question at a time. If you'd like to ask an additional question, please return to the queue. Our first question comes from the line of Joe Spak with UBS. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just to start on the guidance, I know you listed a number of things. You know, some tariff headwinds and some negative market assumptions in what is, I guess, going to be new data, but then cost savings and then, you know, in an off-highway business, you mentioned some of the other factors that you listed. I guess the question is, you know, back in the beginning of the year, you provided some guidance for new data versus the off-highway. And with all those factors you listed, is there any meaningful change to those assumptions we should consider?

Yeah, so commercial vehicles going to be a bit lower than what we had seen just a couple of months ago. So that's largely being offset by amounts in light vehicle and in a little bit in off-highway. And then, obviously, the balance of that is coming from what we believe will be additional revenue from tariff offsets.

Yeah, and I guess maybe just a couple other things. I think, you know, obviously the incremental cost reduction target all relates to corporate, so, you know, gets sort of smeared based on sales. I would say, you know, in off-highway, you know, we are benefiting in our outlook. We are picking up some translation on the euro. So that would be disproportionate to off-highway. Correct. And but, I mean, generally speaking, if you sort of, you know, 50 million cost reduction is a pull for, but if you think about when we gave sort of guidance around new data -off-highway sale in 2026, I think the message is, look, Q1, you know, new data is up year over year at margins and off-highway is on a -over-year basis down. So the path to get new data in 2026 to the type of number that we commit to, the 10, 10.5, is thoroughly on track.

Okay. And then just for 25, again, I know you provided some ranges and it seems like some moving parts, but generally those ranges are still valid?

Yeah, they're generally valid. But I mean, the sales are going to move around, as Bruce mentioned, right, between tariffs and translation. We're going to have some tailwind on the top line, and that's largely going to offset the headwinds that we're seeing in commercial vehicle from a volume perspective.

Yeah, and I guess if you think about tariffs overall, you know, we don't bring in an awful lot of product from Europe into North America. So when we talk about our tariff headwinds, the commercial, I'm sorry, the off-highway impact is relatively smaller.

Yeah, that business is primarily European. We do have a bit of business here in North America, but that's a relatively small portion of the overall business.

Okay, and then Bruce, appreciate your limited and what you could say about the process. You know, I think it's some relatively encouraging commentary, but maybe you could just sort of indicate to us if sort of any of this market uncertainty has had any impact on the process, even in terms of sort of, you know, potential management distraction for potential buyers or anything there, or are things sort of mostly on track with what you thought?

Yeah, I mean, I guess I would say obviously, you know, if you look at the last 90 days, I think the tariff situation is becoming clear. You know, it was swinging around pretty wildly when some of the IEPA stuff was coming up and the China thing was escalating and things like that. I think now some of the rules, we've had a little bit of stability. We're getting clarification in terms of what's in and out, how we handle USMCA, non-USMCA. So I would say we've definitely had maximum uncertainty and, you know, in that environment, people are nervous and want to understand things. So spending a little bit more time with our teams. So I'd say I really can't say a lot, but we're a few weeks. I guess we've sort of talked about being in a position to say something, come to a resolution here in early in the second quarter. Now, I guess I would just say that's probably, our timing is probably more like late in the quarter.

Okay.

I mean, I wish I could say more, but the guy is probably one out of the room already.

Our next question comes from the line of Edison U with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thank you for taking our question. I just want to come back on the tariff. Can you share, I guess, what is the exposure at the moment in terms of the timing of recovery? How long do you think that will take on average?

So I don't want to get into the overall exposure, mostly because I don't really want to negotiate with my customers in public. But what I can say is from a recovery perspective, we expect it's probably going to be less than a quarter on a lag. And, of course, that depends on the customer and the end market that we're dealing with. But most of our largest customers have set up a regimented process. And as Bruce mentioned, we've already started to provide invoices and the detailed backup that's required by our customers in order to obtain recovery. So that process is well underway, and we see it working well, given the level of detail that we're providing the customer. But I'm guessing it's probably when they get through it, obviously the customers are going to be pretty inundated. We're looking at somewhere probably not longer than a quarter, but I think it'll end up being a little bit less given the impact that this will have across the supply base.

Yeah. I mean, I'd expect us to be a cash flow timing issue in the quarter. I think by the time we were here three months time, we will know what our recovery is and have that process nailed down sufficiently. So we'll be accruing the impact. But the cash associated with it, like we have to pay that out much sooner than we're going to get it back. I don't think that's going to be a major bridge item for us, but I feel pretty comfortable that it's not going to be a problem for us.

And in terms of the amount, is it your or is it baked in that you would recover essentially 100% or is there some like wiggle room or haircut to

the recovery? Our view is that we're going to be recovering 100% of the tariffs.

Yeah,

I

think I think you may be just a little bit of help there is first of all, if you think about our commercial vehicle business and our off highway business, we have very little risk of 100% recovery. So that part of it, we're not worried about at all. I mentioned that the aluminum and steel will be recovered through normal indices that we already have in place. So once you sort of back out those three things and some mitigation actions that we've taken where we were the importer of record of finished goods. So like we bring some axles up from Mexico to North America and they're picked up at a warehouse in Laredo. We've renegotiated those exposures away. So now you're left with a fairly minor amount in the scheme of the $10 billion company. We have all the documentation submitted to our light vehicle customers and they have they've brought in external resource to process our claims. And in one case, we know our claim has been processed and approved, but I haven't seen the check yet. So. We'll see you over again.

Understood. And just one last thing to clarify. So is the I really not quantifying the exposure, but in terms of the mechanics, is it basically the non USMCA part that you're assuming for the that gets exempt? Or are you assuming that that there's more there's more than that or the USMCA actually goes away?

Well, so we're are the what we've put out in terms of our our guidance now is based on what we what we see coming out of Washington as of today. That will change tomorrow. I have no doubt it changed last night. So but the way that the the the mechanisms are working with our with our customers are that we need to be able to prove the actual amount of tariffs that we've incurred and be able to trace them back by part number. And that's the documentation that we're providing. And our expectation is that level of detail will allow us to to to recover the tariffs from our customers.

And it's a little bit more nuanced than your question. And let me just give an example. So everything that we're talking about is for is for auto parts. It does not include our part the way the definition and the HTS HTS codes are written. It does not include things like our off highway and commercial vehicle products, nor does it even include some of our super duty business. So they aren't in this whole two thirty two switch that happened yesterday. They're still into the other buckets, IEPA, reciprocals, things like that.

Gotcha. Very much appreciated. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. Our next question comes from the line of Colin Langan with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Oh, great. Thanks for taking my questions. Anyway, frame what are you you're assuming for light vehicle production? Is it very in line with the recent S&P forecast? Anyway, to frame that because obviously a lot of uncertainty with tariffs.

Sure. Yeah, I think the way you know, obviously, you know, when you think about the light vehicle outlook, we we we try to steer everybody back to

the

light truck production. We currently aren't seeing any substantial change from where we were when we we came out in February. So that's that's what's currently baked into our forecast for North American light truck. And if that changes in any material way, we'll have to revisit our outlook. But right now, we haven't seen anything and don't don't have anything from our customers on the horizon. That doesn't mean it won't change. But at this point, that's currently we're looking at it largely the same as we did two months ago.

And the only thing I'd add to that column is is we we acknowledge there's a risk there, and that's why we're not up in our guide.

Got it. But on the S&P side, I mean, is it consistent with what S&P just provided or more optimistic, less optimistic? I

would say the the latest S&P data, which which there's we don't think is accurate, especially here in the short term and some of it. But if you looked at the latest S&P information and we were to factor that in, we have more than enough coverage in the extra cost saved to hold our guide.

Got it. And then, you know, if I look at I think you said early, you didn't want to provide like a number on the tariff impact. But I mean, in the EBIT walk, it's six million. I mean, is that not a runaway we should think about? Well,

you have to

I mean,

the tariffs were were not for the entire quarter. They were they were staged and you can't use the first quarter as sort of a viewpoint for the tariffs. They've also changed from week to week. And so depending on when we imported the material and how it was classified determines what we what we ended up, what the impact was in the quarter. That's going to be different going forward. So I you cannot use the for the first quarter and try to

do some

sort of extrapolation. The the rules and how these things are classified have changed dramatically from week to week.

But for four million of the six million, Colin is is related to where Dana was the import of record, the example I gave in the previous color. And we've already remediated that and build it. And we were not at all worried about getting that four million back. But, yeah, like Tim said, there's there's things that have come on and come off. There's there's bucking issues, except there's HTS code issues, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Yeah, you have to remember, right? A lot of this stuff is coming out in either an executive order or in in a in a in a press release or a press conference. It then gets published in the commercial register and then that's then translated by the by the Commerce Department and and and at the Customs and Border to determine how and what HTS codes are going to collect, what tariffs on which. So it is it is exceedingly complex and is changing as both the rules get more clarification and the rules change.

Maybe just like a few sort of scene setters on it. They kind of get you feel that get your understanding a bit better. Overall, our our flow of goods from Mexico back up here to the United States is seven, eight hundred million. And our Canada flow of goods is like a hundred. And so that that split fifty five ish percent is USMCA compliant. Some of that is also doesn't have anything to do with it's two thirty two because it's not to our commercial vehicle business. Our other exposure that we have is reciprocal tariffs on on castings and things like that that us like everybody else buys from Korea and particularly India. So those are those are the headlines of where our exposures come from and kind of magnitude.

And also point out that some of the material that's coming in that's non USMCA compliant is directed source by the customer. So we don't have a choice on on where we're bringing in some of the parts based on based on the customer requirement. So, again, that is recovered dollar one right away because you don't have any choice.

And you said seven, eight hundred million Mexico, a hundred million Canada. Any number on what's from the rest of the world brought into the United States?

Yeah, we're talking a few hundred millions more. More, I mean, it obviously depends on on on production and where we're at, but largely that those those sorts of numbers.

All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

Our next question, caption the line of James Picriello with BNP Perry. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everybody. Just as we think about the off highway sale and if we just consider the tariff exposure, the tariffs exposure for the off highway business, we know off highway, as was mentioned, does not fall under the Section two thirty two autos tariffs. It would be subject to the broader liberation day tariffs. That's a question just to confirm. And then just regarding off highways, regional sales mix, we know about 65 percent of total sales get produced in Europe. Do you just size up what portion of that or what portion properly constitutes North America, U.S. sales for off highway and what portion gets imported to understand the trade flow there? Thanks.

Yeah, the North Americans, a few hundred million dollars. You know that a portion of that gets imported. It's I mean, I'd have to I'd have to go look at the specifics and we can get you that. But the the tariff overall U.S. tariff exposure for off highway is is very small and is 100 percent recoverable from the customer. You know, we've already proactively actioned those with those customers to get to get recovery. So it's the the the the tariff impact is is is is not the the issue around off highway. I think the the the broader issue and this is true for tariff generally is, hey, how does this affect the macroeconomic environment? And and how might it affect volume in in all the end markets at the end of the day that that and especially for off highway, that's probably the bigger issue. Right. As they pass these things through, how is it going to affect the various end markets within off highway? To date, we're not seeing anything and we've seen a little bit of pre-buy. And and and you know, we look out at the back half of the of the year, we are starting to see the green shoots we were expecting. So right now, you know, things are holding up pretty well. But, you know, it's a it's a pretty fluid situation and and, you know, we're monitoring it pretty closely.

And that's really helpful. And just my follow up. I know there's a sensitive question, sensitive answer. Previous timing of the off highway sale did point to like something around the second quarter. Just curious if you if you have, you know, if you could share any thoughts there and then just within the revenue guidance, you know, two things that are not tied to tariffs, right, effects and commodities in your revenue. Can you just confirm what those guidance assumptions, those guidance updates are?

Thanks. So I won't I'm not going to provide the update because then you can sort of back into what what are what what the the tariff assumptions are. But they're there, you know, in terms of commodities, we would expect to be up a little bit. And obviously, the the effects is going to be an additional tailwind. But I don't want to get into into specifics. We'll obviously be able to show that to you when we bring out second quarter on the on the the off highway sales. As Bruce mentioned earlier, you know, we're we were expecting, you know, early to mid second quarter, given, you know, the amount of work that's being done by the by the bidders. We would expect that to move a little bit and probably be later in the in the second quarter.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Brinkman with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my question, which is in regard to the cost savings, including after following the acceleration this quarter, the 225 million you're looking for this year. It's not for 25 percent of last year's EBITDA. So that's really just a huge step change in cost. So I wanted to check in again on the source of those savings, including the incremental savings. I think I heard you say largely corporate in nature. Also, your confidence in the ability to achieve the savings last quarter. You were very confident. And then finally, you know, just like whether the costs are sustainable or don't have any associated drawbacks. So, for example, are you mostly cutting through corporate bureaucracy or layers of management discretionary study, not R&D? I'm asking only because the magnitude of savings is so impressive that it sort of begs the question of like if there really was all the staff to cut, why had it maybe not been targeted before?

Thanks, right. That's a lot. I'll try to unpack it in some reasonable manner. But so I'll take the one that I that I like the most in terms of our confidence. We are absolutely confident that we will one deliver the 225 and to deliver the 300 million on a run rate basis. So if you just look at the first quarter rate, it's 41 million of incremental say we had 10 million of savings in in the fourth quarter. So if you just take that that that's 51 million dollars, multiply that by four, that's 200 of the 225 when you think about it, right on a run rate base already. And we took costs out all through the first quarter. So our run rate action number is is is already trending to where we need to be to deliver the 225. We've got additional actions that happen throughout the year, but but we are in very, very good shape to deliver the 225. We wouldn't be here telling you we're going to deliver the 225 if we weren't absolutely positive. We're going to deliver it to give you some idea. And we broke out a little bit on the slide, you know, sort of the percentages. But the really big buckets that if you want to think about the 300 million, 70 percent of that number is coming from headcount and engineering alone. And then an additional about 10 percent is related to the the consolidation actions around the segments. So if you just get through that, that's that's 80 percent of the number in those buckets. We look at the headcount, we've actioned over 70 percent of the of the headcount that we we have slated to reduce within the organization has already been actioned. The balance of that will be be done through the the rest of the year with with a large chunk of that coming out late in the second quarter. So we have visibility to where these costs are coming out and what are driving and our ability to deliver them. When you think about it, you know, what's really, you know, to get you question, hey, was there a lot of fat? You think about engineering and even some of the headcount, a lot of that's related to the change in how we're addressing the business and where we think we need to be sized for where the business is today and where it's likely to go. So it's a big, big, big part of that cost reduction is coming from the shift in strategy and expectation around our business. The balance is, yeah, we're we're we're you know, we took a really hard look at what we need to run the business and how we can get better at how we're running the business, especially around the corporate and overhead functions, whether they be physically here at corporate or or or in the in the business units themselves.

Very helpful. Thank you. And then maybe on the segmentation change, you see also the power technology is being absorbed into the various different drive line motion segments. Previously, you'd explored the sale or not explored, but contemplated and I think you've been moving away from that already because of the growing importance of our technologies and thermal regulation for electrification, et cetera. But does this kind of definitively kind of close the door on that and reflect how you go to market or what was some of the thought processes behind that?

Yeah, it definitely closes the door on it. Power technologies is not for sale. It's a good business. And it was really just a reflection of. We think we can run leaner by having one less segment like, like I mentioned earlier, that alone is worth 3035 million in terms of doing the consolidation. And I expect that we will get further improvement, not not SG&A. So we won't be counting it in our 300 million, but I do expect we're going to see significant opportunities to drive our margins as we leverage best practices across aftermarket. And we bring in some of the rigor that we have in light vehicles that was not as strong in our power technologies operations.

Very helpful. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks, Ron.

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Levy with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Bruce, in your prepared remarks, you mentioned some actions around non-core assets and getting some proceeds in the second quarter, another 50 million in the back half of the year. Could you maybe just talk about what some of those assets are and maybe how deep is the set of assets out there that you view to be non-core at Dana?

Yeah, I'll let Tim take it on. But I mean, this is really, you know, with me coming in saying, hey, what are some bits and pieces of non-core minority GEVs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, surplus assets, land, those types of things. And there's not a lot of, I wouldn't say there's hundreds of millions, but, you know, there's lots of things, one, two, five million that we can action a couple in the 30, 40 million range. But go ahead and give us. Yeah, I'll

just give you the best of the best. So, you know, we had a non-consolidated joint venture in India that was in the commercial vehicle space. We own 48% of the business. It was, it's non-core. It's a supplier both to us and to others. We sold that in the quarter for over 40 or in the second quarter for over 40 million dollars. That, you know, that is a asset that is sitting on the books at a far lower value than that and doesn't change anything related to how we run the business. So I think, you know, those types of assets and, you know, we have a handful of those types of things where, you know, when we, you know, if you go back over time, we felt it was important to have equity interests in some of these types of operations. We don't think that that's true anymore. And some of that's just because, hey, these joint ventures have grown and matured and we don't need to be that close to them. And valuations in some of these places are pretty high. And so we're using the opportunity to divest them. And, you know, to the extent they're a supplier, put a supply agreement in that gives us preferential supply and then take the capital and redeploy it into something that has a far better return from our perspective. Yeah,

and just like, you know, our dividends from that joint venture less than a million a year. And like Tim said, we got, I think, just in the low 40s pre-tax earlier this week. So just looking at things like that.

Oh, okay. Thank you. And then as a follow up, Tim, you'd mentioned that obviously a piece of the cost savings relates to EVs and, you know, maybe changes in the program schedules. But, you know, we actually haven't even seen yet any through modifications to OEM plans. So understand that some of this is maybe proactive, but wondering if the cancellations or delays or shifts start to come in, is there maybe further opportunity to pull back on the EVs? Thank you.

Yeah, I'll take that one here. It's not really what you just said. It is when we changed our strategy, what we said was where we have ICE business and EV, you know, we want to be our partner's technology of choice and therefore we're willing to invest our capital and our engineering to chase that type of business. And but making sure we get the right level of risk sharing where we don't have any ICE business and we're chasing incremental volumes or we're dealing with customers where we're in the next generation investment and the first generation that has volumes that are five or 10% of what we thought. We are saying it needs to be 100% funded. Otherwise, we're just not willing to bear the risk. So it's more a question of us lowering our pursuit of new electric business to reflect the massive increase in risk.

Yeah, and I think that it's that and then, you know, our engineering is always shown net, right? We, you know, and so to the extent programs are continuing, so they haven't been canceled, but now instead of us outflowing the engineering dollars, you know, the customer is responsible that on a pay as you go basis. And that's some of it. And then there is a big chunk where we had a lot of development plans where we were developing products and technologies that, you know, given the slowdown in the market, we don't need to create the second, third, or, you know, the third generation of a product today. Where our customers are more than happy to continue to use the first or the second generation of those products for a much longer period of time. And that's allowed us to reduce the amount of engineering dollars we have to spend on those next gen programs.

And I guess the kind of your question of where you're going is, as our customers look at their product plans, because I'm sure they're leaving no stone unturned in terms of what actions they can take to mitigate the impact of tariffs. I'm sure looking at some of their easy pipeline is going to be on the table and to the extent they decide to push some programs. I would say there's one or two that could, if they were to push them out, would have a favorable impact on mainly our capital, but it wouldn't be a 20, 25 savings. It would be a 26 and 7 type number that would come down.

Great. Thank you. Very helpful.

Our next question comes from the line of Emmanuel Rosner with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning. I was hoping you can help us with how to think about cadence of revenue and earnings for the rest of the year. What's assumed in your reiterated guidance and in particular, sort of like back half versus first half?

Yeah, I mean, largely the same as we talked about, Emmanuel, a couple of months ago. We do expect the first half to be weaker, first quarter to be the weakest, and then we would expect to see, again, under our current volume assumptions, to see a recovery in the back half of the year. So, that's still our expectation for revenue.

I guess as we go out, though, the sort of headwind that we saw on revenue starts to decline sequentially.

Correct. Okay. And so that's a volume assumption around the back half. And I guess in terms of the headwind, you're describing, you're talking about some of the de-stocking.

Yeah, it's not so much, it's not so much of our volume assumption. We're going against easier comps. So, if you think about Q1 of last year, volumes were up because customers were rebuilding from the strike. We had off-highway hadn't sort of started to slow down. So, as we go through, get into the second quarter, there's less of a year of your headwind on off-highway and on, same thing on LV. So, when this quarter we're down 300 and something million, that delta drops sequentially quarter on quarter here. Yeah,

exactly. I mean, that's, and the big drivers, you know, when we were having this conversation a couple months ago, we're really around light vehicle and off-highway. You know, we're seeing a little bit of a little bit additional weakness from a CV perspective, but that's more than being offset by from a top line away from tariffs and our expected gains on the FX. Assuming the FX is kind of where we're seeing today, especially around the euro.

Got it. And then on the tariff side, it's obviously encouraging to see that you expect to recover everything from your customers. Have there been some discussions with them around longer term moves that will be needed to address some of, you know, where the capacity is? Will there be need for reshoring? Do you need to move anything? Yeah,

I mean, it's a good question. And what I would tell you is there's been so much volatility in what the rules are that as an industry, we have not had enough time to know what the rule is to start to do exactly what you just said. And I think right now, you know, some of the information that came out last night, you know, we'll have to snorkel through that. But we're definitely now in a position and we're having early discussions about what, OK, what are the types of things that we can do to mitigate the issue from either reshoring or changing some suppliers, flipping things that aren't USMCA compliant, compliant, etc, etc, etc. But what is 100% clear, though, is there some things that if you take a two year window are not going to be addressed. So they just use castings as an example. Everybody buys castings from India. And in the next two years, we're not going to be in a position where we can reshore that. So, you know, they're subject to the 10% reciprocals right now. You know, before it was there was a higher list of additional reciprocal tariffs. So we're just going to have to wait and see how those play out as the administration negotiate some of these trade deals. Hey, we're running against our time, so I'm going to have to wrap it up right now. Do we have one more question? Oh, I'm sorry.

Yeah, we'll take our final question from the line of Doug Carson at Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Great, guys. Thanks for letting me in the last question here. I really appreciate it. You know, bondholders have been pretty excited about the future of debt reduction and leverage coming down. I know we can't talk about the sale of off highway. Could you just refresh us or just reconfirm that balance sheet delivering is still a focus and we could see a meaningful reduction in debt. Is that still the game plan? That is. Absolutely. All right, that's that's helpful for us. And I think the last target we had was leverage being in like the one to two turn kind of range through the cycle. I'm not going to pin you down on that, but is that still kind of directionally? Yeah, we've been

talking about sort of one turn through the cycle on a net basis. Net base. OK, all right. That's good. Again, through the cycle. So, you know, it's different points. It might be a little lower, different points. It might be higher. But on a net basis, one turn.

And I mean, again, just to help you, we believe that upon the sale of off highway, we'd be required to tender our bonds.

Yeah. That's helpful. Thank you.

All right. Maybe with that, I'll just, you know, first of all, obviously, a big thank you to the Dana Global team. I mean, we have a lot going on in tariffs was something that we certainly weren't thinking was going to thrown at us three months ago. And so I just couldn't be prouder of the results our teams have delivered in the environment that we're in here. You know, we feel really good about the things that we have control on. We're 100 percent certain on our cost reduction savings that we can bring those forward. I think from from an overall point of view, the things that we can control and manage, our teams are doing a great job and we look forward to sharing further progress on things in 90 days. Thank you, everybody.

Thanks, guys.

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