5/8/2026

speaker
Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Good morning. My name is Rocco and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Dow Corporation first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press the star key, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the star key, then the number two. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. David Lim, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Lim.

speaker
David Lim
Head of Investor Relations

Hey, thanks, Rocco. Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome everyone who is joining us on Dow Corporation's first quarter earnings call. Now, earlier this morning, we released our first quarter of 2026 earnings announcement. You can access this announcement on the Investor Relations page of our website, www.dow.com. and through the PR Newswire services. You can also find supplemental slides for this conference call on the investor page of our website as well. A replay of this call will be available through May 15th. Now, before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that the matters discussed in this call may contain comments and forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties, which cannot be predicted or quantified, and which may cause future activities and results of operations to differ materially from those discussed. For additional information, please reference slide two of our investor presentation or the press release that was issued today. Also, during this call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Information regarding these non-GAAP measures, as well as a reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to GAAP financial information, is available in the presentation. With that, let me turn things over to our Chairman and CEO, David Dow. Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone.

speaker
David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you for joining us today to discuss Dow's financial results for the first quarter of 2026. Joining me on the call today is Chris May, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. This quarter marks the first time our results include the Dow Lay acquisition, and I'm very pleased with the performance as we begin to capture integration synergies and leverage our combined operational strengths. The acquisition has met our expectations with the product portfolio, with customers, and very importantly, the strong personnel that came with the acquisition. The transaction brings together two great companies with size, scale, and compelling industrial logic, positioning us for long-term success. In addition, we have had constructive discussions with our major customers about the acquisition, and feedback continues to be very positive as they appreciate our focus on quality, technology leadership, operational excellence, watch readiness, as well as continuity of supply. We are excited about the strong value and long-term strategic benefits of this transformational transaction. As for today's agenda, I'll review the highlights of our first quarter financial performance. Next, I'll touch on some business updates, commentary on the industry, and our synergy progress, as well as an update on our guidance. I'll then turn the call over to Chris to cover the details of our financial results, after which we will open up the call for any questions that you all may have. So let's begin with some of the details. The company's first quarter 2026 sales were $2.4 billion, and adjusted earnings per share was $0.34. And adjusted pre-cash flow was a use of $41 million. First quarter North American production was down approximately 2%. Europe was down approximately 1%. And global production was down approximately 3%. However, our legacy sales were flat on the quarter, but on a pro forma combined sales, we were up slightly. Specifically, we experienced a mixed effect on GM's heavy-duty large truck production, which was down early in the quarter as they prepare for the next model year launch, whereas GM's light-duty trucks were strong. In general, day supply of inventory with GM large trucks appeared to be at their expected levels, and SUVs appear to be on the lighter side. The Ram Heavy Duty continues to enjoy year-over-year favorable comparisons, which is positive. In addition, we saw nice strength in both BMW and Volkswagen CUV platforms here in North America. From a profitability perspective, our adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter was $309 million, or 13% of sales. Our results were supported by a favorable mix on a number of key platforms and a solid dollar contribution. As always, our continued focus on operational efficiency contributed to our margin performance during the quarter. So 2026 is off to a good start. Chris will provide more details about our overall financial performance during his prepared remarks. Let me now talk about some business updates, which you can see on slide four of our presentation deck. In the quarter, the company received approximately $21 million in net proceeds from the completion of a sale of a Dow Lay's cylinder line of business. We will continue to assess and optimize our current product portfolio to align with our core business and enhance our growth prospects and our long-term profitability. We also want to highlight our recent award from Cherry J Tour to supply PTUs and RDMs on a derivative model that we already support. The start of production is scheduled for later this year and will run beyond the 2030 timeframe. We continue to see positive momentum on this platform as the SUV product is resonating very well with Chinese consumers. In addition, we have been awarded a business extension for a major truck platform in Brazil with a lifetime revenue of over $750 million, which is scheduled to launch later this decade. Additionally, we received contract extension awards with multiple customers, and as OEMs evaluate their respective long-range product plans, business extensions have become a theme in the industry. We also earned numerous SideChat business wins, including replacement and new business with six different global OEMs. Furthermore, our metal forming business unit continues to realize wins across multiple product families, from our forging to our powder metallurgy, in part due to benefits from both onshoring and reshoring efforts to the US. Our strategy to become a leading global driveline and metal forming supplier is unfolding as expected. Next on slide five, I'd like to provide an update on our acquisition synergies and value capture. After approximately three months into operating as a combined company, we have already realized 35 million of run rate savings to date representing excellent progress. We are benefiting from the pre-work that was completed before the deal closed. Out of the gate, we mainly attacked overlapping corporate, SG&A, and some procurement costs. While there is much work ahead of us, we have a strong team in place and are encouraged by our momentum and the progress to date to achieve our year-end target run rate savings of greater than $100 million. And as we have previously communicated, we expect to deliver 180 million in run rate savings by the end of year two, and a full 300 million in run rate savings by the end of year three. Now let's talk about the industry. Currently, global geopolitical risks remain an overhang on our industry, especially the Iran conflict, which is driving elevated oil, energy, and gas prices. However, in the first quarter, we did not see a significant impact on our operations or customer schedules. That stated, over the long term, elevated fuel prices could impact us through higher energy, logistic, and transportation expenses, as well as certain petroleum-based input costs such as lubricants. Clearly, we are closely monitoring these developments and would look to mitigate any impact over time. In the near term, our customer schedules remain stable and consumers appear to be resilient. As always, we will remain focused on the matters that we can control and will proactively make necessary adjustments to market fluctuations. Now let's talk about our full-year guidance. We have revised our outlook by raising our sales and adjusted EBITDA, reflecting a combination of factors, including our strong first quarter performance while balancing the macro risk that I just mentioned. The company is now targeting sales of 10.3 to 10.8 billion, adjusted EBITDA range of approximately 1.3 to 1.425 billion, and adjusted free cash flow of approximately 235 to 325 million. Our guidance ranges are underpinned by the following production assumptions. North America, production at 15 million units, Europe at approximately 16.7 million units, China at 32.3 million units, and overall global production at 91.4 million units. As you know, we use multiple data sources to derive our outlook, including forecasts for certain programs that are significant to our performance. We also note GM is transitioning to its next-generation full-size truck program and appears to be bullish on overall volumes as demonstrated by the planned opening of their Lake Orient assembly plant. In summary, we had a good first quarter. The integration of DALE is off to a strong start. Our synergy achievement is on track. We raised our guidance, although we are monitoring geopolitical and macro trends, and we're excited about our future, and we are built to perform. Now let me turn the call over to our Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Chris May, for the first quarter financial details. Chris?

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. I will cover the financial details of our first quarter 2026 results and our updated guidance with you today. I will also refer to the earnings slide deck as part of my prepared comments. But before we begin the financial discussion, I wanted to provide a few housekeeping items for you all. We've included several reference items in the appendix of our earnings deck. First, we included the full year 2025 and LTM first quarter 2026, pro forma financial metrics for our newly combined company. We have also provided some supplemental walks and data points related to that information. Also, we have updated our definition of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings per share to better reflect our new company's operating performance in geographically diverse business. These changes were also based on feedback from various stakeholders. The definitions include updates to adjust for the amortization of acquisition-related intangible assets, certain financial instruments assumed from DALI as part of the acquisition, and one-time purchase accounting items, all of which are non-cash and non-operational in nature. In the appendix, we provided a comparison to our prior disclosures for comparability purposes. As it relates to adjusted EBITDA, there is almost no change to prior amounts. None of these updates have an impact on our guidance or previous planning for our DOWLA acquisition. So with that said, let's begin. In the first quarter of 2026, our sales were $2.38 billion compared to $1.41 billion in the first quarter of 2025. Slide 7 shows a walk of first quarter 2025 sales to first quarter 2026 sales. For Legacy DOWC, volume mix and other was lowered by $9 million or relatively flat. While our primary North American market had overall lower volumes of 2%, our full-size truck products were higher and offset most declines in other vehicle types. The divestiture of our India commercial vehicle axle business had a $35 million impact in the quarter, and metal market pass-throughs and FX increased sales by approximately $44 million. About two-thirds of this related to FX and was primarily driven by the strengthening euro. Dowley contributed $983 million in gross sales for the first quarter, and that figure reflects only February and March activity, as we closed the transaction on February 3rd. On a year-over-year basis, the Dowley portion of our business experienced the same trends as it relates to sales. The details are noted on our slide. Now let's move on to adjusted EBITDA. For the first quarter of 2026, adjusted EBITDA was $308.5 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin was 13% versus $177.7 million and 12.6% last year. You can see the year-over-year walk-down of adjusted EBITDA on slide 8. In the quarter, adjusted EBITDA for Legacy Dow was higher due to favorable mix on volume, continued performance, and net favorable metal markets and FX. We continue to be excited by our positive performance trends that we've experienced in our business over the last several quarters. Dolly contributed approximately $122 million in the adjusted EBITDA for the quarter. Similar to sales, on a year-over-year basis, the Dolly portion of our business experienced the same trends as it relates to adjusted EBITDA, and those details are also noted on our slide. In the first quarter, we realized $5 million in synergy benefits. As David highlighted, we achieved a $35 million run rate as of today, and we expect this to continue to grow. We have a nice market basket of potential savings, that we continue to drive to completion and have a visible path to the targeted $100 million plus of run rate synergy savings by year end. Most importantly, our synergy realization journey has only just begun. Let's move on to interest and taxes. Net interest expense was $77.5 million in the first quarter of 2026 compared to $37.3 million in the first quarter of 2025. The increase in interest expense year over year primarily reflects the issuance of new and assumed debt in connection with the combination. The weighted average interest rate of our outstanding long-term debt was approximately 7% at the end of the quarter. We have now replaced all of Dolly's acquired debt with the exception of $349 million of the U.S. private placement notes. These remaining notes have a good maturity profile with the furthest maturity in 2036 and fit into our overall capital structure quite nicely. With these notes remaining in place, we've begun to redeem and distinguish a portion of our 2028 senior notes in the second quarter. This action will provide additional runway with minimal debt maturities now through 2029. As for taxes, in the first quarter of 2026, we recorded an income tax benefit of $20 million compared to an expense of $14 million in the first quarter of 2025. This includes a benefit for a valuation allowance release of approximately $20 million in a non-U.S. jurisdiction. Due to all the acquisition-related activity this year, our taxes and impacts are quite involved in 2026. However, once you remove all that activity, we expect our adjusted effective tax rate to be approximately 35%. This is somewhat elevated rate in 2026 is due to valuation allowances and partial interest deduction limitations in the U.S. As for cash taxes, we expect approximately $160 to $170 million this year. Taking all these sales and cost drivers into account, our gap net loss was $100 million, or a loss of 52 cents per share in the first quarter of 2026, compared to a net income of 7.1 million, or 6 cents per share, in the first quarter of 2025. Earnings per share, which excludes the impact of items noted in our earnings press release, was 34 cents per share in the first quarter of 2026, compared to earnings per share of 22 cents in the first quarter of 2025. Let's now move on to cash flow and the balance sheet. Net cash used in operating activities for the first quarter of 2026 was $64.4 million compared to net cash provided by operating activities of $55.9 million in the first quarter of 2025, driven by working capital timing and cash payments for restructuring and acquisitions. Capital expenditures netted the proceeds from the sale of property, plant, and equipment for the first quarter of 2026 were $102.7 million. Reflecting the impact of these activities, our adjusted free cash flow was a seasonal use of $40.8 million in the first quarter of 2026 as compared to a use of $3.9 million in the first quarter of 2025. From a debt leverage perspective, we ended the quarter with net debt of approximately $4.1 billion and a net leverage ratio of 2.7 times at March 31, 2026. In the near term, we continue to focus on reducing our outstanding debt and strengthening our balance sheet. But as you will recall, as sustained 2.5 times or below net leverage mark, we will consider additional capital allocation avenues, including returning capital to shareholders. We ended the quarter with total available liquidity of approximately 2.6 billion, consisting of available cash and borrowing capacity on our global credit facilities. Now let's talk about our updated financial guidance on slide six. Our updated targets are as follows. For sales, our new range is 10.3 to 10.5 billion versus 10.3 to 10.7 billion previously. This new sales target is based upon current global production assumptions and also certain assumptions for our key programs. For example, we continue to anticipate GM's full-size truck and pickup and SUV production in the range of 1.3 to 1.4 million units this year. From an EBITDA perspective, We anticipate a range of $1.3 to $1.425 billion versus $1.3 to $1.4 billion previously. However, if we included the DALI results for a full year, or in other words, pro forma as if we owned them since January 1st of this year, our range would be approaching the $1.4 to $1.5 billion range. Included in our adjusted EBITDA is the proportionate share of income from our joint venture in China with Hasco called SDS. We expect our JV share, which is already included in adjusted EBITDA, to be in the range of $65 to $75 million this year, and this is unchanged from our previous guidance. Overall, we increased the top end of our range but maintained our low end. Our new range was driven by our solid first quarter performance and potential for continued good truck production. However, our overall guidance is mitigated some by a potential increase in costs, We continue to anticipate adjusted free cash flow in the range of $235 to $325 million. And while we do not provide quarterly guidance, here are some thoughts around the second quarter. Our schedules appear okay, with no major changes at this point. However, we are experiencing some additional costs related to energy, and we would expect some tariff recovery timing spread throughout the year, similar to our experiences last year. Our CapEx assumption is unchanged at 4.5% to 5% of sales, as we ready the organization for important upcoming launches, especially for one of our major truck programs. And lastly, for our quarters going forward, we would expect a fully diluted share count of approximately 245 million shares. We remain focused on a strong integration between Legacy Dock and Dolly, realizing synergies, strengthening the balance sheet, and navigating geopolitical and industry uncertainty. As we progress further into 2026, 2027 comes into view and the very exciting potential ahead of us. We're building around the benefits of our synergy activity, focusing on delivering cash performance opportunities by not only converting on our profitability, but also reducing acquisition costs, reducing restructuring costs, driving interest lower, and optimizing working capital. Thank you for your time and participation on the call today. I am going to stop here and turn the call back over to David so we can start the Q&A.

speaker
David Lim
Head of Investor Relations

David? Operator, can you go ahead and start the Q&A, please?

speaker
Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Absolutely. At this time, I'd like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star, the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to assemble the Q&A roster. And our first question today comes from Joe Sack at UBS. Please go ahead.

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Joe Sack
Analyst, UBS

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just a quick clarification, Chris, on some of the, I guess, definitional changes. One, to clarify, like the definition of EBITDA to include minority interest, when you gave EBITDA guidance last time, that was already in that assumption, even if it wasn't maybe explicitly called out. And then Two, with the definitional change, and I understand those are non-cash items that you're backing out, and I don't think they were anyone's model, so I think it doesn't really matter for comparability this quarter, but just to be clear, is that change the reason why the high end of the range went up, and is really all that, like you're not forecasting further changes on those non-cash adjustments going forward?

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

No, we are not forecasting any changes on those non-cash items going forward. Obviously, if you look at some of these, Joe, you'll find some of them relate to initial purchase price accounting, such as our inventory item or our intangible asset amortizations with our joint venture or overall intangible asset amortization. And then a couple relate, I would say, more on technical accounting matters for FX and mark-to-market on some acquired debt and derivatives. None have anything to do with the operations of the company, and none had no influence on the change of our guidance.

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Joe Sack
Analyst, UBS

Okay. And then an equity income, when you initially gave that 1.3 to 1.4, that was already inclusive of that China JV equity income? Correct. That's correct. Okay. Okay. And then, David, maybe just, you know... Great to hear you're off to a good start on the synergies. Now that you've actually owned this business here for at least a couple months, I was wondering if you could sort of give us just a little bit more color on sort of what's going well, what's maybe going a little bit faster or where you see some additional challenges. And as you sort of dive deeper in, you know, a level of comfort you have with those targets, and maybe even if you're starting to sort of search for additional levers to pull here on the cost side.

speaker
David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Joe. First of all, I'll say this. We acquired some outstanding talent from Dolly GKN at various levels, from senior management leadership all the way down to the plant floor. I've been very pleased in regards to how our team's have assimilated together and are working together as we try to bring, as I said, two strong companies together with independent cultures, but we're trying to blend into one culture going forward, and that's going exceedingly well. I've been very pleased as I've gotten out with our senior leadership team to visit a number of the factories here. There's a good engineering aptitude, strong manufacturing or operational aptitude there as well, and a focus on safety and quality, which is, as you know, are critical and paramount historically to the Dow Corporation. So that's been positive. There have been some areas where maybe some capital investment or some other things may have been neglected a little bit at some of the facilities when it comes to just general stores and just facility maintenance and all, but nothing that's material or extraordinary that we can't deal with and address over a period of time. So I'm pleased with that. I think we made great progress in regards to addressing the corporate costs right up front. So Chris led that work stream for us, along with Roberto Fioroni on the GCAN side. So that's gone well. SG&A, as I said, is going well, and we've made really good progress in regards to our run rate for this year, and we'll continue to grow that as we go forward. You know, I'd say, you know, with the economic conditions in the marketplace right now, especially with the Iran war conflict, you know, we're keeping a watchful eye on some of the purchasing activity. But at the same time, we've got multiple years to address that. But I think there's some initial challenges here in the first year just because of what's taking place. But don't read too deep into that because I still think that we can confidently deliver that number. And then from an operational performance standpoint, again, we're still getting around to the 100-plus facilities that we took over, but we're very encouraged with, you know, the opportunities that exist there and are hopeful that there's incremental opportunities going forward. But hopefully that addresses your question. But overall, I'm very pleased with the acquisition, the integration, the planning that went into that integration, but also to our first quarter start here.

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Joe Sack
Analyst, UBS

Great, thanks. I'll pass it on. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

speaker
Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, we do ask that you please limit yourself to two questions at a time. Our next question today comes from Alex Perry at BOA. Please go ahead.

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Alex Perry
Analyst, Bank of America

Hi, thanks for taking my questions here and congrats on a strong quarter. So I just wanted to walk through the guide a little bit more, particularly on top line and So you took the sales guide up a bit. You actually took, like, the global production forecast down. Can you sort of walk through, you know, what allowed you to do that? Are you actually seeing better than expected production on some of your key platforms, even though the global production environment maybe is a bit softer? Thanks.

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, this is Chris. I'll take that. Yeah, so we took the top end a little bit. We saw inside the first quarter, obviously, some strength on the light-duty truck, full-size truck here in North America and some other platforms that we supply a lot of side shafts into. So a nice positive start to the year from a volume perspective. Our overall macro assumption versus our last guidance on North America, relatively flat. Europe down just a tick, but I would say holistically, some beneficial mix was played into our thought process at the higher end of that range, as well as a little bit of benefit from FX translation as well. The euro has strengthened a little bit, as well as some other currencies. But primarily, just a nice benefit of some mix that we've seen at the higher end of the range.

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Alex Perry
Analyst, Bank of America

Perfect. Really helpful. And then I just wanted to walk through You know, you called out additional energy costs. Could you maybe walk us through exactly what you're seeing there? And then just on the overall commodity exposure there, is there anything that we should be paying attention to? It doesn't seem, you know, as of right now, like a significant impact for the year, but just remind us on some of the commodity exposure things.

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so I'll start with the commodity question, then we can talk a little bit about what we're seeing in the macro from, I'll call it near-term inflation pressure related to macro events. But from a commodity perspective, you may recall many of our commodity-based costs, we have direct pass-throughs to our customer for which we retain pass-through about 90%, 80% to 90% of those costs. Key commodities that we would track in that bucket would be things such as aluminum and scrap steel, nickel, moly, and a whole host of other variety of products. I would say they surprisingly have been relatively stable. We've seen some small upticks in those, I would say, over the last month. But again, those are pass-through and generally protected. When they do go up, you carry a little bit of a residual negative. When they go down, you get a little bit of a residual benefit. But those are the primary from a commodity standpoint. And then in terms of some of the macro inflation, primarily due to the Iran conflict, we have seen some elevated energy prices. We have seen some elevated fuel prices. Those translate into things such as fuel surcharges for logistics, et cetera. And I would say inside of the second quarter, we'd be pacing towards, I call it, $5 million to $10 million impact associated with that. We'll see how this plays out for the balance of the year. Still quite uncertain at this point in time, as you know.

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Alex Perry
Analyst, Bank of America

Perfect. That's incredibly helpful. Best of luck going forward.

speaker
Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Tom Naran with RBC. Please go ahead.

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Tom Naran
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, thanks for taking the question. Chris, this one's for you. First of all, on slide 15, thank you for whoever put this together. I know it's like a lot of work went into this. So on that slide 15, If I just take the LTM EBIT 1573 and I do all the adjustments, the one-time commercial settlements, business that were sold, take out the Q1 synergies, January DAO lay contribution, and then I compare it to your guide for 26, take out the synergy, it looks like there's a slight downshift implied by the guidance at the midpoint at least. So I'm just wondering if there is a downshift in 26 versus 25 contemplated, or perhaps the guidance may be a tad conservative, or maybe I'm just splitting hairs.

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

No, I think, you know, in terms of the analysis, it sounds like the analysis that you have done pretty quickly here this morning, taking a look at this data is pretty close to accurate in terms of you have to remove the Dolly January data. We do have to remove the commercial items. Those also impact revenues and profit when you take out the commercial settlement items, as well as the businesses that were sold. But if you tend, you sort of kind of adjust for those items, you would then find you would need to grow that up, obviously, for our synergy capture opportunity here inside of our guide. We've said 50 to 75 million, so midpoint 62. But holistically, if you think in this LTM period to our, call it 26th year, At the macro, our volumes are down almost 2%, right? North America is down almost 2%. Europe is down 2%. Now, this gets into, like, mix and different things we'll experience each quarter. But that's a main driver of that. That would translate it at 25% to 30% contribution margin in terms of that variance. That's your main driver. And then if you peel that out, you'll find we actually have positive performance embedded inside of that.

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Tom Naran
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Got it.

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, that's – And that's taking it to the midpoint, of course, so –

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Tom Naran
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's barely, it's a slight downshift. It's not much. And then the second one, you know, this has been a hot topic with this past earnings season is Chinese domestic OEM, you know, customer or capture and order books. Just wondering if there is, I know you have what you've disclosed so far from last quarter, et cetera, but just would love to hear, especially on the Dalai side, you know, how you're doing in terms of acquisition on the Chinese domestics.

speaker
David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Tom, this is David. As you know, Dollar G Can enjoyed a very strong relationship with Hasco, and they have a JV called SDS, which is now ours. That business does a tremendous job with both the domestic as well as Western OEMs, but it's really shifted a lot of its business to the domestic Chinese OEMs. So they've been able to not only protect their business, but grow their business. And as that volume increases, both in China within that company as well as their export initiatives into Europe and Southeast Asia and Latin and South America. They're positioned and poised to benefit from that. We're already starting to see some of that. At the same time, we had our own, meaning historical Dauk, had our own Wolfie in China that had done a similar thing as we picked up a lot of domestic Chinese business. We referenced again today the expanded relationship with Cherry J. Tour in regards to an incremental derivative program off of something we're already supporting. So, again, we continue to see plenty of opportunities with the Chinese OEMs, and we're winning our fair share of business with them as they expand their capability on a global scale. Got it.

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Jake Show
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Thanks a lot for turning it over.

speaker
David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

speaker
Rocco
Conference Facilitator

And our next question today comes from James Mulholland at Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

speaker
Joe Sack
Analyst, UBS

James, you there?

speaker
Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Mr. Mulholland, your line is open. Is your line perhaps on mute?

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James Mulholland
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, sorry about that, talking to myself on mute. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. If we look at the walks for the quarter, It seems like DAO was a pretty material contributor to strong profitability, even more so than I would say legacy DAO because my reading is right. So is there something in there in its mix or programs that help drive that result? Performance and other was pretty strong as well. So any color that you can provide there would be great. Thank you.

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, if we look at the earlier walks, you know, you can see the sales had walked on 7 and 8. You know, the legacy Dow performance was 12.9% margins, and the legacy Dow extrapolate was 12.4% margins. So I'd say both sides of the equation contributed quite equally with a little bit larger on the Dow side. And then your margin took up with some of the synergy flow through. So our view is both businesses performed, had positive performance in the quarter on a year-over-year basis. Both had a nice mix in terms of from a revenue perspective and obviously the contribution from the Synergy piece helped the overall company.

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James Mulholland
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Great. That's helpful. Thank you. And then looking out at the rest of the year, it looks like GM's added another shift for its T1 heavy duty, I think, later this year, starting at the Flint Assembly, even though it's setting up for the new model. Does the new guide anticipate some benefits from that, or would that be incremental on top of what you may already have in there?

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so our guidance as it relates to the full-size truck program for GM is 1.3 to 1.4 million units. Any planned announcements or schedule adjustments that they have articulated that have been provided to us have been included inside of that guidance range already.

speaker
James Mulholland
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, great. Thank you very much, guys.

speaker
Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. Thank you. And our next question today comes from Itay Michele with TD Cowan. Please go ahead.

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Itay Michele
Analyst, TD Cowen

Great, thanks. Good morning, everybody, and congrats on the quarter. Good morning. I was hoping just to kind of follow up on prior questions, if we could just do a little bit of a walk from the kind of Q1 margin of like 13.3% pro forma to kind of what's implied the rest of the year. It sounds like there's some incremental commodity freight baked in there, but also some acceleration and synergies. I'm just hoping we can kind of go through some of the puts and takes there.

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, and I think your put and take is, Moving into the second quarter, are we thinking about the full year? Which was your?

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Itay Michele
Analyst, TD Cowen

Yeah, it's the full year, kind of what's implied from the Q2 to Q4 margin based on the latest guidance.

speaker
Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I mean, some of the puts and takes as we think about it from here, obviously, we'll transition in the rest of the year, call it a full month of DALA results, right, that would come in at sort of their blended rate of at a full cost basis at 12%, 12.5% range. So that will start to weather itself in. I would expect to have Synergy step up through the course of the year as we transition and continue to put in the bag continued success on our Synergy transition to get to that 50 to 75 million run rate by the end of the year. As I mentioned on one of the previous questions, we do see a little bit of drag as it relates to inflation, in particular in the second quarter on fuel and some of those type of related costs. We'll see how those play out for the rest of the year. I would say that's plus or minus for Q3 and Q4, depending on how macro events unfold. And then we have some core performance inside of our company as well. As we transition through the year, we've seen nice traction on our metal form side of the business from a margin perspective. Some of the challenges that we've articulated in the legacy dog plants of the last couple of years, we're seeing some positive trends from that perspective as well. So those are some of the pieces, I think, on a go-forward basis. And then you have tariff plus or minus as we go through the year, timing of when we bill or collect, et cetera. And that can change quarter to quarter.

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Itay Michele
Analyst, TD Cowen

Great. That's helpful. Thanks, Chris. And then just as a follow-up, I know it's still early since the closing of the deal, but any observations from customer conversation, sourcing opportunities, and kind of how those have gone the last few months?

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Etan, this is David. Great question. We've had nothing but cooperation and success in positive communication from the customer. They obviously historically know our performance from a historical DOC standpoint. Same time, Dolly GKN had good performance as well. We're maintaining that good performance. That was a priority to us is to protect continuity of supply and the quality and product integrity going into our customers. They're actually pleased in the fact that we'll have more size and scale to help weather the challenges that exist in the marketplace today. Clearly, there's a lot of distressed suppliers that are in the marketplace and have been since COVID. And I think that's only going to amp up as we go forward. So the communication and the feedback from the customers has been very positive. And obviously, we're going to look to continue to maintain those strong relationships that we have and look to try to expand from a cross-selling capability, uh, to those loyal and valued customers.

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Itay Michele
Analyst, TD Cowen

Terrific. That's all very helpful. Thank you.

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Thanks.

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Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Jake show at BNP. Please go ahead.

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Jake Show
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Hey guys. Uh, so pro forma net leverage finished at about 2.65 times. And, uh, just based on, um, My math on the guide, it sounds like it'll finish the year around 2.8 or so. So how should we think about the timeline to get to the targeted 2.5? Thank you.

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I understand your math. Yeah, so, you know, we'll probably be somewhat level or so through the course of this year based on our guide. But if you think about, you know, some of the points we've articulated previously as it relates to our leverage, really one of the main drivers of delevering the company is of course, will be our operational performance through the achievement of our synergies. And as we transition into next year and we take in the next leg, going from the 100 million run rate up to the 180 million run rate, obviously that will drive both profitability and cash flow. So sort of taking down the net debt, if you will, and also driving EBITDA up through that transition period, we'll then start to see some traction taking down our leverage even further from where we end the year. That's kind of a timeline of how I would think about it.

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Jake Show
Analyst, BNP Paribas

All right, thank you. And then as we think about the next generation of GM's full-size truck platform, can you share if you guys expect to have the same participation rate as you do on the T1? And have there been any shifts in GM's insourcing mix, especially between light duty and heavy duty? Thank you.

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, this is David. With respect to the model changes that are taking place in the next generation product with General Motors, I mean, obviously, we've secured that business. We're in the process of getting ready to launch that business on a staggered cadence based on GM's program timing. Obviously, there's some engineering changes as they address horsepower, torque, and other requirements for the business that we factored into our business. So that will impact favorably some of the content per vehicle and the overall margin performance. But we've secured everything that we've had, and as they look to the next generation beyond that, which will be out in that year, mid-20, 30 period of time, our expectation would be to secure our replacement business and continue to try to demonstrate to GM that we are a valued and strategic partner to them.

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Jake Show
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Got it. So for the next generation program, you'll be on at least as many of the vehicles as you are on the current generation? Absolutely. Got it. Thank you.

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Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Nathan Jones at Stiefel Financial. Please go ahead.

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Nathan Jones
Analyst, Stiefel Financial

Good morning. This is on from Nathan Jones. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe discuss the rationale. In the beginning of the presentation, you discussed the rationale for a subsidiary. You mentioned that you sold. How does this optimize a portfolio? Maybe just trying to get a better picture of your priorities in terms of the overall portfolio.

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, this was something that we evaluated as part of the overall product assessments, and we continue to assess our product portfolio, and we do that consistently throughout the year. But this was something that stood out to us that wasn't really a core program to us. And we had an interested buyer, and ultimately we came to the appropriate commercial agreement on that to be able to sell that asset. As Chris covered earlier, we also divested of our commercial vehicle business, which was a legacy Dow business. So again, things have changed. Now that we've been able to acquire Dolly, our portfolio is different. We're assessing what's core and what's non-core to our business today. Those assets or businesses that we deem to be non-core, obviously we'll try to sell it for the appropriate value. But at the same time, we're not going to give anything away. What we want to do is make sure we can pare our portfolio down to the critical products that show growth and also show profitability and just strengthen the overall company and provide for that robust business model that we've communicated to you all. So it was just a small step in regards to just assessing the portfolio. I'm sure there will be others that we'll evaluate, and anything that we do there obviously will continue to help us in regards to accelerating paying down our debt and strengthening our leverage situation.

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Nathan Jones
Analyst, Stiefel Financial

Thank you for that. Appreciate the context. Also, just a quick, something you mentioned earlier, I know you mentioned the direct pass through 80, 90% of the cost. Do you need to talk about the lag between the lag to recover, make recoveries?

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes, it can be anywhere from a month to a quarter, depending on the customer. So 30 to 90 days. Perfect. Thank you. Appreciate that.

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Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. Our next question today comes from Dan Levy at Barclays. Please go ahead.

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Dan Levy
Analyst, Barclays

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to just go back on the commodity question here. And, you know, you talked about you have sort of a basket of commodities that you're getting direct pass-throughs on. Can you give us a sense of today, pro forma organization now, how inflation dynamics maybe differ versus the prior aam you know and to what extent do you have increased costs that maybe now have to be recovered outside of formal pass-through uh mechanisms you know to what extent should we be thinking differently about things like energy costs uh etc yeah dan this is chris i'll take that for our alcohol more pure commodity type costs you've heard us articulate for many years

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Bringing in the Dolly side into the business in total, you'll find our view, I would say, is very similar. Many of the same type of commodity inputs that we have, so not really a lot of change from that perspective, either types of commodities or call it pass-through mechanisms. But things such as when you sort of get outside of those core type of commodities like steel and scrap and nickel and aluminum and things that we talked about, like energy and stuff like that, I would say both sides. Also, those aren't typically automatic pass-throughs. You have to have some discussion with the customers, and both sides of the legacy businesses have the same type of dynamics from that perspective.

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Dan Levy
Analyst, Barclays

Okay, great. And then the second question is on – You know, you've outlined the cost synergies here. You talked about potential as well for revenue synergies. You know, just on the customer front, and I know you addressed sort of a while ago sort of the initial discussions with customers, but some of the customers where you've been underrepresented up until now, the Toyota, VW type customers, just what the dialogue has been with some of these customers and how How much more there is opportunity to expand that relationship now that you have En-ROADS into some of these different customers?

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Great question. What I would say is this. Our first conversation with the customers is just to inform them of the combination. to inform them of the capability and also to make sure that we're protecting continuity of supply and not disrupting them. And as I said in my previous comments, that's gone very favorably. Many of the European and the Asian OEMs, although historical Dow had a relationship with them, we will benefit greatly from the strength that Dow AGKN has shared for decades with many of those customers. So it's still early in regards to the discussion phase, but our customers clearly want to better understand our full complements and capabilities. There'll be technology days that we'll share with each of these customers on a go-forward basis, but they clearly can see the benefits of an expanded portfolio, and they clearly see the performance capability that we collectively bring to the table. And just the general dialogue, without getting specific, has been positive in regards to potential consideration for cross-selling type opportunities and new business growth opportunities. I'll leave it at that.

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Dan Levy
Analyst, Barclays

Great. Thank you.

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

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Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. Thank you. And our next question today comes from Vanessa Jeffries at Jeffries. Please go ahead.

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Vanessa Jeffries
Analyst, Jefferies

Hello. Thank you for taking my question and congrats on the results. Just to build on what's gone well and what hasn't, I mean, you've owned the Dalais powder metallurgy business for a couple of months now. It'd be really interesting to hear your thoughts on the kind of different strategic and diversification initiatives that it's been pursuing over the last few years, and if that's the direction you'll continue with on kind of the auto and non-auto side. And then secondly, just wanted to ask about the kind of EV commercial cancellation settlement payments. Is there any more of those to go over the next couple of months, just given the hit that Dalais' e-powertrain business took over the last couple of years? Thank you.

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, this is David. I'll take these questions. Chris, you can chime in if you feel fit. Clearly, historical Dow was in the powder metal business, and clearly so was Dowley GKN. By putting the two together, we have a very strong industry-leading powder metal capability that is also vertically integrated now with the supplier raw powder. As you know, Under Melrose, this business was really, and even Dowley, was up under strategic review. We clearly see this in our wheelhouse in regards to our metal forming business. We think there's opportunity to enhance its performance on a go-forward basis, and we're working on those initiatives right now. Like any piece of business, we'll always keep optionality in our business. But we consider that a critical part of our thesis, strategic thesis, is we want to be this global leading dry line and metal forming supplier. You know, there's a great strategic fit of our powder metal business with their powder metal business, although there's some rationalization that needs to be done, especially on footprint in North America. And we'll do that appropriately and time it appropriately and make sure that we're not incurring too much cost that way. But we also see tremendous growth opportunities with it. It just hadn't received a lot of investment over the years from its previous owner. So we're encouraged and excited. We have a really good leadership team that's running the powder metal group, and then we're introducing some of the AM operating systems into that business that we also think will bode favorably from a margin and cash generation performance over time. On the EV front, you know, as we talked before, I mean, EV, there's different strategies, different approaches globally around the world. We continue to see significant opportunities in regards to Asia, especially China. We're mainly doing a lot of that through the JV that we have there. We'll continue to monitor Europe and see what happens there with regulatory and policy change. As we're seeing some of that take place right now, but we do expect extra growth there. In North America, you see here what's happened with the regulatory and policy change where EV penetration was under 5% the last month from a high of, you know, 10% or 11% earlier now that all the incentives are gone. So we'll continue to make appropriate and balanced and selective investments in EV. But at the same time, you know, there's some cancellation costs, many of which have been dealt with and addressed, but there's still some bring resolution to, you know, to wrap up the commitments that they made to us and we made, but unfortunately the market didn't materialize. So those are ongoing commercial dialogues with us and our customers, but we hope to bring those to resolution this year and get that behind us completely. So, Chris, I don't know if there's anything you want to add.

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, on the resolution for any of those EV matters, as you know, if you look at the results historically, Dolly had a very strong year last year, kind of closing out a lot of their issues. We had a few small issues that we closed out last year. Dolly closed, I think, one of their last remnant ones from their side of the house in January of this year, which are not in our reported results. But going forward, as David mentioned, there's a few yet to wrap up, but I would say nothing of significance at this point in time.

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Vanessa Jeffries
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you. And by the way, I appreciate that you broke out the payments in the presentation, just given some of your peers haven't. So thanks.

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

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Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Federico Moretti with Wolf Research.

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Federico Moretti
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Please go ahead. Good morning, guys. Just a quick question on the – you raised the guidance at the high end, and I think you mentioned that Part of that, the reason was because it makes it better. But I was wondering, why didn't you increase the guidance, the high end for the free cash flow? I would have assumed that incremental business would have helped cash flow as well.

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, great question, Federico. So if you think we also raised the top end of our sales as well, so obviously when you do that, you'll have some working capital used to finance a little bit of the higher end of the sales. That would be your primary driver for for holding the cash flow as is.

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Federico Moretti
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Great, thank you. And in terms of cadence for your operating results, how should we think about it going through the years? And is there any change from the historical, you know, seasonality of American Axel?

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Chris May
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, from a seasonality perspective, I would say our entire business combined both legacy American Axel and legacy Dolly We operate in the same identical seasonal pattern with our customers, whether they're in Europe, you know, late in August, in North America, you know, July, and around the holiday time in December, which is also common in Europe. Seasonality, almost identical. Production days per quarter, almost identical on a seasonality perspective is how I would think about it. And as you think about the year, clearly some of the key points we talked about in some of my prepared remarks, you know, a little inflation pressure in Q2 for macro events, but our synergy will build through the year, right? So that will come on in Q3 and Q4 to get that exit run rate. Those would have some of the, I would say, operational elements from a revenue perspective. You know, we got a lot of questions today about the GM's full-size truck. We had some downtime in January for heavy duty. As you know, one of their larger endpoints, large facilities, Salau, they'll go through their next generation change that'll impact, call it mid- I'll call it mid-second half of the year as they finalize when they're going to take that facility down for a little bit. That is a primary endpoint for us as one of our customers as well.

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Alex Perry
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you, guys.

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Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you. And, gentlemen, our final question today comes from Doug Carson at BOA. Please go ahead.

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Doug Carson
Analyst, Bank of America

Hey, guys. Thanks for silping me in. I want to ask a little bit about kind of like EPA changes. We met with a big OEM this week, and they were pretty happy with some of the EPA changes that perhaps are relaxing. There's limitations to eight-cylinder gasoline engines, and they thought maybe it could perhaps help their mix for heavier pickup trucks and SUVs. Is that something that you're seeing in your kind of production forecasts that that mix is happening elsewhere in North America? Just trying to get a little smarter on that because it could be a big benefit to some of the OEMs price points.

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David Dow
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I mean, anything that the government's doing to relax regulatory and policy is clearly a benefit to the OEMs, especially the domestic OEMs, and then certainly a benefit to us as well. As we said before, as ICE is extended out and even hybridization, that's clearly a strong benefit to us as a company, and we've got an installed capacity and product portfolio that's already solidly in place. As we alluded, our Financial performance was impacted favorably in regards to the truck platform. On the light-duty GM, very strong. Ram, heavy-duty, very strong. GM down in the first quarters are transitioning, but we expect to be very strong throughout the year. So we're clearly seeing the benefits of that. We're starting to see also some of the long-range product plan adjustments with the customers as some of those EPA adjustments and regulatory adjustments have been reduced. There's no doubt about it.

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Doug Carson
Analyst, Bank of America

That's good. Good for the sector. All right, thanks so much. That's it for me.

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David Lim
Head of Investor Relations

Yeah, thanks, Doug. Thanks, Doug. And we want to thank all of you who have participated on this call and appreciate your interest in Dow. We certainly look forward to talking with you in the future. Thank you.

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Rocco
Conference Facilitator

Thank you, sir. That concludes today's conference call, and we thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.

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