HF Sinclair Corporation

joined by Atenasov, Chief Financial Officer, Steve Ledbetter, EVP of Commercial, Valerie Pompea, EVP of Operations, and Matt Joyce, SVP of Lubricants and Specialties, along with John Harrison, Chief Financial Officer of Holley Energy Partners. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star one on your touch tone phone. If at any time your questions have been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star one again. If you should require operator assistance, please press star zero. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow up. Additionally, we ask that you pick up your handset to allow optimal sound quality Please note that this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Craig Berry, Vice President, Investor Relations. Craig, you may begin.

Thank you, Krista. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to HF Sinclair Corporation and Holley Energy Partners' third quarter 2023 earnings call. This morning, we issued press releases announcing results for the quarter ending September 30, 2023. If you would like a copy of the earnings press releases, you may find them on our websites at hfsinclair.com and hollyenergy.com. Before we proceed with remarks, please note the safe harbor disclosure statement in today's press releases. In summary, it says statements made regarding management expectations, judgments, or predictions are forward-looking statements. These statements are intended to be covered under the safe harbor provisions of federal security laws. There are many factors that could cause results to differ from expectations, including those noted in our SEC filings. The call also may include discussion of non-GAAP measures. Please see the earnings press releases for reconciliations to GAAP financial measures. Also, please note any time-sensitive information provided on today's call may no longer be accurate at the time of any webcast replay or rereading of the transcript. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Tim Goh.

Good morning. I am pleased to report strong third quarter results driven by solid execution of safe and reliable operations across our refining, lubricants, HEP, and marketing segments. We continue to progress our strategic initiatives of integrating and optimizing our portfolio, along with delivering strong cash return to shareholders. Today, we reported third quarter 2023 net income attributable to H.F. Sinclair shareholders of $791 million, or $4.23 per diluted share. These results reflect special items that collectively increased net income by $31 million. Excluding these items, adjusted net income for the third quarter was $760 million, or $4.06 per diluted share. compared to adjusted net income of $983 million, or $4.58 per diluted share for the same period in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $1.2 billion, a 20% decrease compared to the third quarter of 2022. In our refining segment, third quarter 2023 adjusted EBITDA contributed $1 billion compared to $1.4 billion in the same period last year. This decrease was primarily driven by lower refining margins in both the West and MidCon regions and lower refined product sales volumes due to higher maintenance activity. Operating expenses were $496 million in the third quarter of 2023 versus the $475 million recorded in the same period last year, as lower natural gas costs were offset by higher maintenance costs. Crude oil charge averaged 602,000 barrels per day in the third quarter of 2023, compared to 646,000 barrels per day in the third quarter of 2022. The decrease was primarily due to higher maintenance activity during the period. I'm pleased to report that the turnaround in the third quarter at our Casper Refinery was completed on time and on budget, and at Tulsa, we are in the process of ramping up normal operations after the successful turnaround at that refinery. With all of our major turnarounds behind us for the year, we remain focused on executing our strategy to improve reliability and operating costs across our refining portfolio. In our renewable segment, we reported adjusted EBITDA of positive $5 million for the third quarter of 2023, compared to negative $14 million for the third quarter of 2022. Total sales volumes were 55 million gallons for the third quarter of 2023 as compared to 52 million gallons for the third quarter of 2022. We continue to make progress towards our target of achieving normalized run rates by the end of 2023 through improved reliability and feedstock optimization. Our marketing segment reported EBITDA of $21 million for the third quarter of 2023. compared to $10 million in the third quarter of 2022. And total branded fuel sales volumes set another quarterly record of 398 million gallons. Gross margin per gallon was 7 cents in the third quarter, supported by strong demand in our regions. During the quarter, we added 15 new branded sites, and we expect to continue to grow our branded sites by 5% or more per year. Our lubricants and specialty product segment reported EBITDA of $118 million for the third quarter of 2023, compared to EBITDA of $15 million for the third quarter of 2022. This increase was largely driven by a $30 million FIFO benefit from consumption of lower priced feedstock inventory for the third quarter of 2023, compared to a $44 million charge in the third quarter of 2022. Despite weakening base oil prices during the period, Continued efforts to improve sales mix optimization across our finished products portfolio resulted in strong earnings contribution from our lubricants business. HEP reported EBITDA of $94 million in the second quarter of 2023, compared to $66 million in the same period of last year. This increase was mainly driven by tariff increases that went into effect on July 1, 2023. On August 15, 2023, we entered into a definitive merger agreement with HEP, and we expect the proposed transaction to close in the fourth quarter of this year, subject to the satisfaction of closing conditions. During the third quarter, we announced and paid a regular quarterly dividend of 45 cents per share to stockholders totaling $84 million and spent $586 million on share repurchases. Year to date, as of September 30th, our total cash return, including dividends and share repurchases, is over $1.09 billion, and we have reduced our share count by 8%. In closing, our third quarter results highlight the diversification of our portfolio and quality of our assets. Our strong cash return during the period demonstrates our continued commitment to our long-term cash return strategy and long-term payout ratio while maintaining an investment-grade rating. Looking forward, we remain focused on executing our strategy of safe and reliable operations as we continue to integrate and optimize our assets across our portfolio. With that, let me turn the call over to Agnes.

Agnes Deggans- Thank you, Tim, and good morning, everyone. Let's begin by reviewing H.S. Sinclair's financial highlights. net cash flows provided by operations for the third quarter of 2023 totaled $1.4 billion, which included $124 million of turnaround spend in the quarter. HF Sinclair's standalone capital expenditures totaled $75 million for the third quarter of 2023. As of September 30, 2023, HF Sinclair's standalone liquidity stood at approximately $3.85 billion, comprised of a cash balance of 2.2 billion, along with our undrawn 1.65 billion unsecured credit facility. As of September 30th, 23, we have 1.7 billion of standalone debt outstanding, with a debt-to-cap ratio of 15%. In October 2023, we repaid at maturity the 308 million aggregate principal amount of our 2.625% senior notes. HEP distributions received by HF Sinclair during the third quarter of 23 total $21 million. HF Sinclair owns 59.6 million HEP limited partner units, which represents 47% of HEP's outstanding LP units at a market value of approximately $1.25 billion as of last night's close. Now, let's go through some guidance items. With respect to capital spending, last quarter we lowered our full year 2023 guidance range to 900 million to a billion 60 on a consolidated basis. With the majority of our plant maintenance activity behind us, we expect to end up at the lower end of our capital spend range for 2023. For the fourth quarter of 2023, we expect to run between 590,000 to 620,000 barrels per day, of crude oil in our refining segment, which reflects plant maintenance at our Tulsa refinery during the period. Let me now turn the call over to John for an update on the HEP. John?

Thanks, Agnes. HEP's third quarter of 2023 net income attributable to Holley Energy Partners was $63 million, compared to $42 million in the third quarter of 2022. Each period reflected non-recurring expenses that decreased net income by $4 million, and $20 million respectively. Excluding these items, the year-over-year increase was primarily attributable to higher revenues associated with tariff increases that went into effect on July 1st, 2023, which were partially offset by higher interest expense and higher G&A expenses during the third quarter of 2023. HCP's third quarter 2023 adjusted EBITDA was $119 million, compared to $110 million in the same period last year. The reconciliation table reflecting these adjustments can be found in ATP's press release. For the third quarter, ATP generated distributable cash flow of $78 million, and we announced a distribution of 35 cents per LP unit, which is payable on November 10th, 2023, to unit holders of record as of October 30th, 2023. Capital expenditures during the third quarter were approximately $9 million, comprised of $6 million in maintenance, $2 million of reimbursable, and $1 million of expansion capex. During the third quarter, we repaid $27 million of debt and ended the quarter with available liquidity of approximately $630 million. We are now ready to turn the call over to the operator for any questions.

The floor is now open for questions. At this time, if you have questions or comments, please press star 1 on your touchtone phone. we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, we welcome you to rejoin the queue. If at any point your questions have been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 1. Thank you. Our first question is coming from Manav Gupta from UBS. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Tim. My question is more broader. In the past, you have mentioned that you have seven refineries, but there's a hidden refinery within your system, and you can run 50,000 to 60,000 barrels higher. And we have seen one of your competitors do it where they shut two assets and the throughput is higher. And please help us understand some of the progress that you are making in that direction so you can uncover this hidden refinery within your refining system.

Good morning, Manav. This is Tim. As you stated, reliability and integration and commercial optimization are our main priorities right now, and that is to try to unlock that hidden refinery, as you mentioned. Let me ask Valerie to talk a little bit about some of the reliability efforts that we have going on.

Thank you. Yeah, what we're doing is assessing the reliability of all of our assets, looking at capacity, and then stepping back and looking at equipment. We have completed a full assessment of all of our sites, and then within that, starting to work execution plans by site. Those will unlock availability within each of our individual assets. which is a process that's been around in industry for a really long time. We're coupling that with some innovation and some new tools that will help us improve our availability.

The other thing that I'll mention in addition to what Val just talked about was on previous calls, we've talked about the importance of executing our turnarounds well. And with this year's heavy turnaround load, I know there was a lot of concern about whether we could execute our turnarounds well. Val and her team have really done a fantastic job this year executing those turnarounds on schedule, on budget. And not only does that help in the actual execution of the turnaround, but it helps us get to all of the planned work that we wanted to get done during the turnarounds. to help us get that reliability improvement for the full cycle that's coming post the turnaround. And so that's kind of another benefit that we're getting from good clean execution of the turnarounds is we hope that will allow us to, again, demonstrate better reliability through this cycle.

Perfect. My quick follow-up here is on the lubes, even adjusting for that inventory. It was a much stronger quarter. Your vision was to make this business more on the speciality side. Help us understand how those plans are progressing and also help us understand some of the reasons you had such a strong quarter in 3Q in the lubes business.

Yeah. Let me ask Matt to comment on the strength of our lubes business.

Thanks, Manav. Matt Joyce here. And I think where the team's done a really nice job is getting after operational excellence and a focus on regional growth. We've been working on mixing the mix of our business and really looking to see where and how we can focus on higher value products and better understand the markets we serve where we have stickier solutions that are enabling our customers to be successful and therefore allowing us to be a bit more successful. And, you know, hats off to our Petro Canada team in the U.S. in particular. They've done a nice job of expanding their footprint and getting into the U.S. markets, which was part of our strategy. And that's gained a lot of nice traction, and we're seeing some real positive signs of growth there from a regional perspective.

Yeah, Manav, I would just say Matt and his team have done a really nice job of continuing to integrate the base oil business with the finished lubes and specialties business. We've talked about this on past earnings calls, but you just continue to see the intercompany sales of base oils to those finished lubes and specialties businesses continue to increase, which is giving us more resiliency, more cushion for these falling base oil cracks that you're seeing in our reported HFS index. As those base oil cracks come down, The more integrated we are, it gives us more insulation and allows us to continue to generate the strong margins that you're seeing. So that's a structural improvement that Matt and his team are doing.

Congrats on a great quarter and great to see renewable diesel generate positive EBITDA. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Manav.

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Todd from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Maybe I'll... I'll follow up on Manav's shout out there for the RD business. Congrats on the underlying margin improvement there. Throughput and sales remain relatively low utilization rates. Can you walk through where you are in the process of increasing utilization up to normalized levels, whether hydrogen sourcing is still a limiting factor? how you're making progress on the process of extending time between catalyst turnarounds, improving product yield, et cetera. So maybe just a little more granularity on where you are in the process of getting that where you want it to be.

Yeah, Ryan, we're pleased to show the renewable diesel business profitable this quarter. We think we've turned a corner here. Let me ask Steve Ledbetter, our commercial lead, to talk about it.

Hey, Ryan, thanks for the question. We're also a little encouraged, as you are, and by a positive quarter. There's a few things that helped us deliver the positive quarter. The first was really looking at our feedstock and optimizing the low CI acquisition and putting that into our sites, taking advantage of our pre-treatment unit. We had improved yield performance throughout the quarter and then, to be honest, selling out into the markets during the highest part of the margin cycle of the quarter. as well as taking some OpEx levers and pulling those. Those are all part of the path forward. We were somewhat limited by hydrogen availability, but we have just finished coming out of a CAT change at Artesia, and we took the opportunity to go improve our hydrogen availability at our large SMR there at Artesia. Let me hand it to Val on hydrogen availability and operational improvements.

Yeah, as we said before, we continue to invest in our hydrogen systems at all of our plants, particularly in artesia. We just completed the SMR. We made upgrades in our turnaround in the CCR, and we're starting to see the benefits from those in our renewables business, as well as refining.

Good, thanks. And maybe just shifting gears on the refining side to... to the West Coast, you know, strong margins and strong capture and profitability there in the quarter. Can you talk about what you're seeing out there in terms of market dynamics? And as you look forward to the startup of TMX next year, how will that, if at all, impact your ability to source advantage crews at the Puget Sound Refinery?

Yeah, this is, again, Steve. I think, you know, we enjoyed the cracks in the margin environment in Q3 on the West Coast. We see some softness coming in, particularly in gas, but it's normal and seasonal through this next quarter and the first quarter. But overall, we think that there is going to be a length in diesel, particularly with RD coming into the West Coast, but we think there will be a bit of short structure on both gas and jet, and we look to take advantage of that. As far as TMX coming on, You know, when that happens, we think it will compress some of the differentials, particularly when they call for line fill temporarily. But as that line gets up and running reliably, we believe that it will put more barrels out on the water and actually give us a bit of an advantage for our refinery in the Pacific Northwest.

Yeah, and Ryan, let me just follow up and say, You know, we believe our refining portfolio continues to be a strategic advantage, a competitive advantage for us, just in terms of the markets we serve and the demographics that we serve in our markets. The West Coast in particular, I would say, is a beneficiary of this integration effort that we've been focused on here over the last six to 12 months. We have a With the Sinclair and the legacy Holly Frontier assets in the West, with the addition of Puget Sound, we really believe that that is an underappreciated portfolio that we're continuing to unlock the potential of, and you're going to continue to see good results come out of the West. Great. Thanks, Tim.

Your next question comes from the line of Doug Leggett from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, guys. This is Kalei on for Doug, so thanks very much for taking the question. My first question is on the Sinclair synergies. $100 million was expected at the time of the deal, but now that you've got a few quarters under your belt, I'm wondering how that opportunity set has evolved.

Yeah, Kalei, this is Tim. We were very pleased to be able to just capture that $100 million. pretty quickly. In fact, it exceeded our timing expectations in terms of the ability for us to capture that. We see, as we've talked about on previous calls, much, much more opportunity to continue to improve and optimize those assets, but we've broadened it now to really look across the entire portfolio, to look at Puget Sound in the mix, to look at our legacy assets in the mix, That's really, when I say our priorities are reliability across our portfolio and then integration and optimization across our portfolio, that's really code for we're looking for more synergies, we're looking for more optimization across the entire asset. We haven't gone out and said anything specific like we did with the 100 million of synergies, but know that we're working that hard. Steve and his group have already talked a little bit about that. And what we're hoping you guys will be able to see is the results of that come out and not just our throughput, but also our capture for both the west and the mid-town regions.

Thanks, Tim. I guess we'll keep watching with interest. My next question is more housekeeping. So on the quarter itself, CapEx looked a touch low. Wondering if there's anything to highlight there. and working capital seems to be a touch high, while some of your other peers are porting some tailwinds. So, just wondering if you could address those two things.

Sure. This is Atlas. With respect to our capital spending, we're very pleased with how our CapEx program has gone, and this is just a function of completing our turnarounds on time and on budget. There's always some contingency built into our budget plans and this is, we're just demonstrating our capital discipline that manifests in a positive variance. With respect to working capital, we saw some working capital tailwinds this quarter as we're coming out of these turnarounds and and working out inventory, rising prices also had a beneficial impact on our working capital. So with that in mind, you could see that tailwinds to our cash flow from operations.

Yeah, Agnes mentioned in his prepared remarks, Kalei, that we anticipate coming in on the low end of the CapEx range now. And so that is a result of, again, better execution and solid performance on our turnarounds.

Great. Thanks, guys.

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Chang from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning. Good morning, Paul. I'm trying to see if you can help me to bridge the gap. I think the company is expecting that on the longer-term basis that you will be able to improve your reliability so that a reasonable co-unit one on an annual basis may get to about 640. And at that time that you can see the unit cost go down to about 6 to 650. And if we look at in the third quarter, your unit cost in the mid-con is around 650 and the west is about 970. And you're running at 576,000 per day. Just by improving it to 640, that better reliability, that by itself doesn't seem like it will get you down to your target unit cost. So what are the initiatives on the cost side that we should expect in order for us to maybe bridge the gap to go down to that level? That's the first question.

Paul, good question. We believe reliability has two benefits, at least, as we continue to prioritize that. Not only does it get the denominator down, as you just kind of mentioned, the math of higher throughput will get your OPEX per barrel down, but it also reduces your maintenance costs, which will be in the numerator, which will also get your OPEX down. Again, there's a lot of good effort going on in that area of reducing OPEX and improving reliability, and Val, do you have any color you want to provide on that?

Yeah, as we said earlier, you know, we are very focused on each asset, putting forward reliability improvement plans. We're focused both on competitive spend, right dollars to buy down operating risk to improve reliability and making sure our money is going in the right places, and improving reliability, which will ultimately get our utilization up. We are more challenged in the West, and those facilities are a primary focus for our efforts, particularly our Sinclair assets, along with Woods Cross and PSR are all working, improved structure on cost, but again, our biggest opportunity is reliable assets produce more barrels, they're safer, and we get a better outcome in performance and execution.

One way with that, do you guys have a number that you can share with that the West unique cause on the longer-term basis that you are targeting at?

Paul, we're not ready to give out any specific numbers or guidance in that area, but we do believe there's plenty of opportunities in the West that we're going after. Okay.

Okay, second question is that as you're about to close HEP and roll it back up, once that you have done that, is it just business as usual and then you simplify your copy structure or that that's going to see real actual operating benefit? Just want to see that whether we should expect some improvement or that is just say reducing the copy structure Paul, this is Atlas.

Thank you for your question. Your observation is correct. We're seeing opportunities for simplification and optimizing our portfolio. To give you just an example, what used to be at times Complicated negotiation on contracts, intercompany contracts now is going to be a more simplified process, which would really help us to focus on efficiencies and commercial opportunities. So the simplification part of that benefit is going to be meaningful to us. And with respect to the corporate structure, you will get your run-of-the-mill savings of essentially running one public company as opposed to having two public companies. And on top of that, we also see some synergies with respect to the debt as the gold gets rolled up at the dyno level. So all good outcomes for us.

Alec, is there a number you can share in terms of the operating synergies? Excluding, I mean, the debt we can understand, but outside the financial lower interest, I mean, the real operating benefit, is there a number you can share?

We will be in better position to shed more light on that after the close of the transaction. All right.

Thank you. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair from TPH. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Do you have any early thoughts on refining capture in the fourth quarter? I think Q3 was around 60%. Seems like the fourth quarter would include some pretty considerable tailwinds from things like wider WCS discounts, butane blending, lower rims, and then it looks like lower refinery maintenance.

Yeah, Matt, this is Steve. And I always appreciate the questions that always have the thesis included in terms of the answer, and that was one of those. So we do see also a cleaner quarter ahead in Q4. We do think that the DIFs, WCS in particular, TI DIF, will blow out and has already in the forward strip. And we have minimal plan maintenance. We're finishing up the Tulsa turnaround. So, you know, supportive structure and margin in terms of distillate, diesel, and jet. We'll be moving gas around, and we're in max diesel and jet mode for Q4. So, we think we have some opportunities to have a cleaner quarter ahead. We're not giving explicit guidance on what that number is, but we do see a good path ahead.

Yeah, we've got some good tailwinds, as you've mentioned, Matt. But Seasonally, the fourth quarter always tends to be a little lower on Capture 2 just because margins compress. So that'll be the offset to some of the tailwinds that we're seeing.

Sounds good. And then I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet, but any thoughts on the potential for large-scale refinery M&A from HS Sinclair here?

No, that question hasn't been asked yet, Matt. What I would tell you is We're focused first on closing HEP. It's been a transaction that we've started earlier in the year and that we're laser focused on completing. As Agnes mentioned earlier, we believe that we will be able to close here before the end of the year. Our priorities are internally focused. We've talked about that before. We're really looking to improve our internal reliability as well as our integration and optimization across our assets. That's really where our main focus is. We don't think that the time right now is right to be looking at large M&A, as you kind of described it, both from a market standpoint. You know, we like to look countercyclically right now. I think we're finding valuations are pretty high. But more importantly, from an internal perspective, we're really focused internally more than externally. Now, I know there's some assets on the table that are starting to be marketed. We'll take a look just like everyone else is, but it's not a priority for us right now, Matt.

Great. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Roger Reed from Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning. Just a couple things to catch up on. One, your comments about refining reliability and getting that up. I'm just curious if you were to say, you know, over the last 12 to 24 months, what your available uptime has been and then maybe what the target is for available uptime, you know, X turnarounds and all that as we think about, you know, a marker for where you've been and a marker for where you're trying to go.

Yeah, hi, Roger. We don't provide a lot of the internal measures that we use. We have a lot of internal measures that we're tracking, both at the refinery level as well as at the regional levels. But we don't disclose that. We are making progress. We're feeling good about the progress that we're making. Val's talked about that. We are seeing progress. I think one of the biggest ways that we're seeing progress is in just the improved safety and environmental performance of our assets, which we always believe is a leading indicator of how our reliability is doing as well and the rest of our business is doing. And I can tell you we're on pace to set another record safety year, both on a process safety standpoint and a personnel safety standpoint. So we feel good about the internal indicators. We're just not prepared to share any of those, Roger.

Okay. Well, if not absolute numbers, I mean, maybe a basis point improvement. I mean, we're looking at, you know, 200, 300, 500, something along those lines, if I can dig a little deeper.

Yeah, Roger, this is Atlas. I would just encourage you to stay tuned, and you will see a graduated process, progress along those lines, and we're focused on improving reliability.

Okay. Uh, switching gears slightly back to the renewable diesel business. So you went through, uh, with one of the earlier questions, you know, all the things that help, but I was just curious if you thought year over year, quarter to quarter, maybe how that broke down, you know, market factors relative to, you know, things you were able to do about changing the mix, uh, keeping control of costs, stuff like that. So just what might, uh, might have helped out on the looms front.

The question is on renewables. Yes. Roger, this is Atlas. One of the first things that comes to mind is early on as we were getting this business up and running was working off high-priced feedstock in a backward-aided market. So the team has done a lot of good progress with respect to managing inventory and ensuring that we're focusing on using low-CI feedstock. So that's number one. Number two would be improvements around catalyst performance and optimization. Number three as a result of our turnarounds and the technical focus on the team is improving hydrogen availability. And so those would be kind of the three things that come to mind. And I could ask Steve or Val to add additional color.

No, I think you're right. I mean, we're peeling this apart to make sure that we can make it the most profitable business that can be in our current configuration. We like to remind people that two of our facilities are co-located, and so hydrogen availability is a keen focus. But beyond that, we've started to pull levers, as Atnas mentioned, in terms of advantaged low CI feedstock, As part of that, you know, driving pathways are very important to get that full value, and we've got to hyper-focus on that. Catalyst optimization, OPEX levers in terms of waste, and then really getting our molecules integrated across our value chain is another aspect that we see a lot of value coming forward. So, you know, we've demonstrated that in Q3 we can be profitable with not hitting our normalized run rate. We still see the path to getting there by the end of the year. And all of those focus areas we believe and expect to have a profitable renewables business next year.

And, Roger, I would just draw an analogy to the lubes business. You know, we spent a lot of resources and a lot of effort to turn that business around, I think, over the last two and a half years. We've been at well above mid-cycle performance for our lubes business. That same type of effort, that same type of focus is what we've got pouring into our renewable diesel business right now. And we believe that we will be successful in getting that business turned around and performing the way we want, just like we have our lubes business performing the way we want right now.

Great. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Gableman from TD Cowan. Please go ahead.

Hey, morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I want to first hit on the CAP, the financial framework, as you get close to the closing of the AGP transaction. It looks like on a consolidated basis, you're holding about a billion dollars in of of net debt um is that the right number for the company to hold on a consolidated basis and then how do you think about buybacks as you're able to get back into the market uh following the hup deal close yeah thank you for your question this is admins the way we we think with respect to our capital structure and debt in particular is in terms of net leverage and the net leverage target that we have

publicly stated has been a one-time net leverage. As you can see, we're far below that right now, and we're very pleased. Given where capital structure is today, our first and foremost priority is shareholder return, both in terms of buybacks and dividends. And we'll continue with that mindset. With respect to anything around the debt, I think we're very much We're very pleased with where our debt is, and shareholder return is our priority.

Got it. Great. And then my other question is just looking at the indicators that you've posted for October. It seems like the premiums in the West relative to MidCon have come in after a pretty good run of pricing premiums. How much of that is seasonally driven? And is there any structural components as maybe there were a couple of assets, I guess, in the Rockies in particular offline for the better part of the past couple years and now they're back? If you could answer that, that'd be great. Just one more clarification. I don't actually think you provided the working capital number in terms of cash inflow. If you could provide that, that'd be great. Thanks.

Yeah, let's start with the last part, which is the fresher. This is Atlas. In terms of working capital, we saw a tailwind to the tune of $500 million for the third quarter.

Yeah, and just to answer the structure margin environment on the West Coast, we don't see anything necessarily structurally other than a good portion of diesel production particularly R&D coming to those markets, and therefore we think there'll be length of diesel and, to be honest, an opportunity in gas as well as jet. But we don't think there's anything materially structural, and we think that what you're seeing right now is seasonal normal patterns.

Yeah, I would just jump in, Jason. We typically see seasonal weakness as the tourism and the driving season kind of comes to a close. We're not seeing anything unusual at this point. What we are seeing is pretty strong jet premiums right now. And I would tell you for the third quarter, we had record jet production and record jet sales that helped boost capture in both the MidCon and in the West regions. And we're seeing that continue here in the fourth quarter. So we will continue to look for those types of opportunities to continue to just optimize our portfolio.

Great. Thanks.

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Laish from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. So I just had a follow-up on RD. I was just hoping to get your outlook for RD margins here. Just given the industry capacity coming online next year, we've seen RINs fall. We've also seen some of the feedstock costs decline as well as an offset. So just hoping to get your thoughts on the credit side as well as the feedstock side here, please.

Yeah, I think you hit it right. With the RVO release and the view of additional capacity coming on, there's been weakness in both RIN value and LCFS. We think that that will adjust sometime. There's been some announcements of some of the larger production coming on, some delays there, and so you've seen some of that change the overall margin and pricing structure, but we think that's temporary. That has created a bit of reduction in terms of the feedstock pricing near term, and we'll take advantage of that, but we think that will normal out, and ultimately we think that the RBO will adjust We don't know when, but we do think that when it does adjust, it will create additional support in terms of the RIN value. And we continue to try to find other markets to take our products to, and we think that there are opportunities not only in terms of the markets that have LCFS, but we're also finding some opportunities where we can match proximity to our barrels and put them into those things and into those channels profitable. So longer-term outlook, we're pretty comfortable with what we're doing and unlocking and untapping the complete value chain in our RD business.

And you saw, Joe, that RD margins tightened here in the third quarter, and yet our gross margins and net margins actually increased. And that's a testament to what the team is doing to try to improve just our base business.

Great. Thanks, Tim. I appreciate it. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

We have no further questions in the queue at this time. I will turn the call back over to Tim for closing remarks.

Thank you, Krista. Let me recap by saying that in the third quarter, we executed our turnarounds on time and on budget. We delivered above mid-cycle profits in our refining segment, lubricants and specialty segment, and marketing segment. and we've returned $669 million to our shareholders for a total of 1.2 billion of shareholder returns so far this year. These strong results are a testament to the competitive advantages of our business portfolio and the hard work of our employees to execute our strategies and deliver on these results. Our priorities remain the same, to improve our reliability, number one, to integrate and optimize our new portfolio of assets, number two, and to return excess cash to our shareholders, number three. Thank you for joining our call. Have a great day, and go Rangers.

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