8/26/2020

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Operator
Conference Operator

Morning and welcome to the Dix Sporting Goods Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nate Gilch, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Nate Gilch
Senior Director of Investor Relations

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss our second quarter of 2020 results. On today's call will be Ed Stack, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Lauren Hobart, our President, and Lee Bulitsky, our Chief Financial Officer. A playback of today's call will be archived in our Investor Relations website, located at investors.dix.com for approximately 12 months. As a reminder, we will be making forward-looking statements which are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from these statements. Any such statements should be considered in conjunction with cautionary statements in our earnings release and risk factor discussions in our filings with the SEC, including our last annual report on the Form 10-K and cautionary statements made during recall. We assume no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements or information. please refer to our Investor Relations website to find the reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures referenced in today's call. And finally, a couple of admin items. First, a note on our same-store sales reporting practices. Our consolidated same-store sales calculation includes stores that were temporarily closed as a result of COVID-19. The method of calculating comp sales varies across the retail industry, including the treatment of temporary store closures as a result of COVID-19. Accordingly, our method of calculation may not be the same as other retailers. Furthermore, recall during our Q4 call, we announced our intent to move away from providing e-commerce sales growth and e-commerce penetration metrics beginning in Q1. Given the circumstances surrounding our store closures, we provided these metrics last quarter and are continuing to provide these metrics for Q2. We will revisit this decision for the third quarter. And lastly, for your future scheduling purposes, we are tentatively planning to publish our third quarter 2020 earnings release before the market opens on November 24th, 2020, with our subsequent earnings call at 10 a.m. Eastern time. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Adam.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Nate. Good morning, everyone. As announced earlier this morning, we had an exceptionally strong second quarter in which we delivered our highest ever quarterly sales and earnings. We achieved record consolidated sales of $2.71 billion, Consolidated same-store sales increased 20.7%, even with approximately 15% of our stores closed on average during the period. This followed our 3.2% comp increase last year. Our second quarter non-GAAP earnings per diluted share of $3.21 represented a 155% increase over last year and was also an all-time record. Before we get into the details, I want to take a moment to thank our teammates, whose hard work and dedication to our company and to the athletes we serve made these significant results possible. Concurrent with our strong business performance, I'm pleased to report that during the quarter, we returned our teammates from furlough, restored previously reduced salaries, and repaid teammates for their lost wages. Now back to our Q2 results. Our 20.7% comp sales increase was driven by the continued success of our industry-leading omnichannel experience. Our e-commerce sales were tremendous, increasing nearly 200%. More than 75% of our online sales were fulfilled by our stores, which serve as localized distribution points and are the hub of our omnichannel experience. By the end of June, we reopened 100% of our stores to the public, while continuing to prioritize the health and safety of the teammates and the athletes we serve. We saw increases in both average ticket and transactions, as well as growth across each of our three primary categories of hard lines, apparel, and footwear. Lastly, our private brands continue to be a significant source of strength and growth, outperforming the company average by approximately 500 basis points. This broad-based performance is a testament to the flexibility and dedication of our teammates who reacted quickly to meet favorable shifts in consumer demand throughout the quarter. During this pandemic, the importance of health and fitness has accelerated. Participation in socially distant outdoor activities has increased, and there has been a greater shift toward athletic apparel and active lifestyle products with people spending more time working and exercising at home. The majority of our assortment sits squarely at the center of these trends. Over the past few months, the partnerships demonstrated by our strategic vendors has been unparalleled. During Q2, we leveraged these strong vendor relationships and our private brand supply chain to aggressively chase product in the most in-demand categories. Certain categories in the marketplace were supply constrained, therefore less promotional, and our margin rates increased by 325 basis points during the quarter. This merchandise margin expansion drove significant improvement in gross margin, which increased 456 basis points. Now let me touch on our third quarter performance. The favorable shifts in consumer demand that drove our strong comps during Q2 have continued into Q3, partially offset by softness in the key back-to-school categories. With the significant part of back-to-school already behind us, through the first three weeks of Q3, our consolidated camp sales have increased 11% with continued margin rate expansion. As I look at our business, we're in a great lane right now. We have reopened our stores and remain committed to the procedures to protect our teammates and athletes' health and safety. We have enhanced our e-commerce offering with curbside pickup and faster shipping. Our product assortment is well-tailored to the recent consumer trends, supported by strong relationships with our key brands. And importantly, we're in a strong financial position, having paid our line of credit to zero and have approximately $1 billion in cash. We're really in a great position. In summary, we're extremely pleased with our Q2 results and look forward to the remainder of the year. I'd now like to turn the call over to Lauren.

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Lauren Hobart
President

Thank you, Ed, and good morning, everyone. I want to start by also thanking our teammates. You are the foundation of our company, and your efforts helped us continue to execute a seamless omnichannel experience and deliver a record-setting comp sales increase for Q2. This morning, I will review our strong brick-and-mortar and online results, and I'll also provide updates on our marketing efforts and our private brands. First, we experienced a very strong athlete response to our store reopenings. We saw momentum build throughout the quarter and delivered positive double-digit brick-and-mortar store comps during both June and July. Our teammates have worked tirelessly to adapt to a constantly changing landscape and have demonstrated an unrelenting commitment to serve our athletes and communities safely. In recognition of our hourly store and DC teammates efforts, we recently announced the 15% paid premium will be extended through the end of the year. In total, during the second quarter, we invested $42 million across incremental COVID related compensation and safety measures. Going forward, we expect approximately $50 million of similar costs per quarter through the end of this year. Turning to e-commerce. During the second quarter, our online sales increased 194%, with over 50% mobile penetration. This included curbside pickup, where we focused on improving speed and convenience, and the athlete response remained very strong. E-commerce merchandise margin expanded meaningfully. which along with higher penetration of curbside and boppet sales drove a significant improvement in e-commerce gross margin. We also continued to reduce delivery times to our athletes, even as e-commerce demand remained at unprecedented levels. This success online is a direct result of the technology and fulfillment investments we have made over the years, as well as better integration of our digital and store channels as we work to relentlessly improve the athlete experience, enhance our profitability, and build a best-in-class omnichannel platform. Moving to marketing, where one of our largest assets is our scorecard loyalty program. We have over 20 million active users in the program, accounting for more than 70% of our sales. The data from this program drives our digital and direct marketing efforts, which we continue to enhance during Q2, enabling more personalized communications with our athletes. Throughout Q2, we also maintained a strong voice through several compelling marketing initiatives. Our See You Out There campaign inspired athletes everywhere, filling them with hope and motivation to get outside. Our golf-specific marketing was also successful as we focused on our fitting experience and product offerings. Most recently, at the end of Q2, we launched our Back to School campaign, which addresses the ever-changing landscape and acknowledges that no matter how you're going back to school, whether it's in person or on camera, you still need to have the best styles. We paired these larger brand campaigns with more tactical marketing around store reopenings and curbside pickup to ensure our athletes knew we were there to get product to them wherever and whenever they wanted it. Lastly, across our stores and online, our private brands remain a key source of strength and differentiation within our assortment. As Ed mentioned, they outperformed the company average by approximately 500 basis points in Q2. We've been particularly pleased with Kalea and DSG, which represented our second and third largest women's athletic apparel brands during the quarter. And in total, across all categories after only one year following its launch, DSG has surpassed Field & Stream to become our largest private brand. In closing, we remain very excited about the future of Dick's Sporting Goods as we continue to leverage our best-in-class omnichannel platform to serve our athletes. I'll now turn the call over to Lita to review our financial results in more detail.

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Lauren, and good morning, everyone. Let's begin with a brief review of our second quarter results. Consolidated sales increased 20.1% to approximately $2.71 billion. Consolidated same-store sales increased 20.7%, driven by a 17.9% increase in average ticket and a 2.8% increase in transactions. our e-commerce sales increased 194%, and as a percent of total net sales, our online business increased to 30% compared to 12% last year. And as Ed mentioned, during the quarter, we delivered growth across each of our three primary categories, hard lines, apparel, and footwear merchandise. Gross profit in the second quarter was $936.9 million, worth 34.53% net sales, a 456 basis point improvement compared to last year. This improvement was driven by merchandise margin rate expansion of 325 basis points and leverage on fixed occupancy costs of 204 basis points. The merchandise margin rate expansion was primarily driven by fewer promotions as well as better than anticipated sales and margin on merchandise nearing end of life. This was partially offset by shipping expenses and e-commerce fulfillment costs as a result of our meaningfully higher e-commerce sales growth, as well as the fixed costs associated with our two e-commerce fulfillment centers that opened in the third quarter last year. Gross profit also included $10 million of incremental COVID-related compensation and safety costs. SG&A expenses were $543 million, or 20.01% of net sales, down 305 basis points from the same period last year, due to the significant sales increase. SG&A dollars increased only $22 million from the same period last year. This includes $32 million of incremental COVID-related compensation and safety costs and $12 million associated with the change in value of our deferred comp plans, resulting from the significant increase in overall equity markets in the quarter, which is fully offset in other income and has no impact to earnings. These expenses were partially offset by expense reductions following our temporary store closures. Driven by our strong sales and gross profit margin, non-GAAP EBT was 397.8 million, or 14.66% of net sales, up 246.7 million, or 797 basis points of operating margin expansion versus same period last year. We delivered non-GAAP earnings per diluted share of $3.21 compared to earnings per diluted share of $1.26 last year, a 155% year-over-year increase. On a GAAP basis, our earnings per diluted share were $3.12. This included $6.6 million in non-cash interest expense, as well as 1.1 million additional shares required in the GAAP diluted share calculation, both related to the convertible notes we issued in Q1. For additional details on this, you can refer to the non-GAAP reconciliation tables of our press release that we issued this morning. Now, we'll briefly review our 2020 first half results. Despite temporary store closures during March, April, and May, consolidated sales decreased only 3.2% to approximately $4.05 billion. Consolidated same-store sales decreased only 2.3%. Within this, our e-commerce sales increased 154%, and as a percent of total net sales, our online business increased to 33% versus 12% last year. Non-GAAP earnings per diluted share were $1.60, and this included $76 million, or 65 cents per diluted share, of incremental COVID-related compensation and safety costs, and compares to non-GAAP earnings per diluted share of $1.86 for the first 26 weeks last year. Now, moving to our balance sheet, as Ed stated, we're in a strong financial position. During the quarter, we leveraged our cash flow from operations as well as cash on hand to repay $1.4 billion of outstanding borrowings on our $1.855 billion revolving credit facility. We ended Q2 with $1.1 billion of cash and cash equivalents and no outstanding borrowings on our line. Our quarter-end inventory levels decreased 12% compared to the end of the same period last year, And looking ahead, our inventory is clean, and we will continue to optimize our assortment to improve our in-stock positions in the most in-demand categories. As previously announced, in light of our strong business results, we reinstated our dividend program, and during the quarter, we paid $26 million in quarterly dividends. Net capital expenditures were just $12.5 million, and we did not repurchase shares. With respect to our full-year outlook, There's still a high degree of uncertainty surrounding the scale and duration of several key external factors. This includes the COVID-19 pandemic and economic stimulus, as well as employment and consumer confidence and their potential impact on our business. Given this uncertainty, we will not provide a 2020 Outlook for Sales and Earnings at this time. We will continue to reassess the practicality of resuming the guidance in future quarters. While mindful of the uncertainty in the current environment, we're extremely pleased with our significant Q2 results as well as our Q3 sales trends. We remain very enthusiastic about the future of Dick's Sporting Goods. This concludes our prepared comments. Thank you for your interest in Dick's Sporting Goods. And operator, you may now open up the line for questions.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the key. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. And our first question will come from Robbie Ohms of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

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Robbie Ohms

Good morning, guys. I'll say great quarter, but I really don't have a word for a quarter like this. It's pretty unbelievable. Ed, my question I think for you is these categories that are doing so great, I think you're not the only ones that are seeing this unbelievable sell-through rate. How are you thinking about in-stock levels in a lot of these solitary leisure categories for the balance of the year you know, given that others are running short and, you know, do we need to be concerned about, you know, your inventory positioning when we think about how we think about your sales, you know, run rate going forward? And maybe, Ed, could you tie into that? Has anything changed in how you guys are thinking about the hunt category? I know you've exited it in a lot of stores. Is that expected to continue? And then lastly, Um, some common comments on the golf category, maybe some insights on how golf galaxy comps are doing.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Robbie. Thanks. Um, um, let me start with the hunt category first. So this has not changed our, our view toward the hunt category. We're still planning to, uh, significantly reduce that, uh, uh, exit, uh, what we're doing with field and stream. And, uh, so really nothing has changed. Uh, although that business, uh, from what I understand has really been quite good. We're not changing our position on that. As we take a look at stock levels, Robbie, we're going to be somewhat inventory constrained on some of these categories, but we've got a flow of product that as it comes in, it goes right back out. And we actually think we're going to be in a bit better position from an inventory standpoint going forward in the fitness category, in the bike category, and a little bit in the golf category. beginning toward the end of September and into October. So our team has done a great job working the supply chain. A number of these products that we talked about from a fitness standpoint, bikes, our own private brands, we control the supply chain. And the team has done a great job of being able to service the athlete or the customers. If you're going to walk in our store, it's still going to look like our fitness business is really depleted. But the flow of product we have coming in, it's kind of going out as fast as it's coming in. And we expect the trends from a sales standpoint in those categories to continue. As far as the golf business, golf is one of those categories that are your outdoor social distancing. The golf business has been great at both Dix and at Galaxy. There's a number of young people who have come into the game because they're not playing football or soccer or some other sports. So they're out playing. Guys are out playing golf because they're not at their kids' games. Men, women, and kids have all really jumped into this game, and we expect that to continue through the balance of the year, too. The golf season is being extended with what's going on right now with the playoffs on the PGA Tour, followed by the U.S. Open in September and then the Masters in September. November, so we think golf is one of those categories that's going to be really, really very good. And there's some concerns about people saying, well, what's going to happen when it gets cold and people go inside? Well, up north, that's a concern if it gets really cold in November and December. But we have so many stores that are in the south and in the west that the weather is going to be, you're going to be able to get outside 12 months a year. So we continue to be pretty excited about our business.

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Robbie Ohms

That's great. Thanks. And just quick, do you give the Golf Galaxy comps?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

We don't, Robbie.

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Robbie Ohms

All right. Thanks so much. But they're good. That's great. Thanks so much.

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Seth

Thanks, Robbie.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Kate McShane of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

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Kate McShane

Hi. Thank you. Good morning. The first question I had was around team sports. maybe go through a little bit more what you're seeing within maybe certain team sport categories and how much maybe that can affect Q3. And then my second question was just about the fulfilling from store. I think you mentioned 75% of the e-comm was fulfilled by store. What was that in previous quarters? And was it higher because of the curbside pickup option? And will you expect it to be elevated going forward?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

So Kate, I'll take the one on team sports and then I'll let Lauren talk about e-comm. So from a team sports standpoint, the team sports business is not very good right now with the exception of baseball. The baseball businesses continue to be pretty good, but other sports have been difficult. We expect them to continue to be difficult through all of Q3, but we've got the majority of this business behind us. And I think people should understand that the back to school business and the team sports business is gonna be difficult through this back to school timeframe, but we are more than offsetting that with comps at 11% so far this quarter, in the back-to-school business and the team sports business will become less important as we go forward. But team sports is going to be difficult. The way we're looking at this is that we're just banking comps for next year with the team sports business. We hope it will be better next year.

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Lauren Hobart
President

Great. And now I'll take your second question, Kate. So in terms of the percentage of e-commerce business that was fulfilled out of the stores, I do think it's meaningful to point out that 75% is a large increase. In the past, we've indicated it was the majority, so over half, but this is a meaningful increase that's being fulfilled from the stores. And yes, you're right that a lot of that business is going out the front door as well as what used to be just the back door in terms of curbside and ship from store. Curbside remained really strong even as we opened the stores. It's a business that we believe strongly is here to stay, and we believe it will be an important player throughout the back half of the year and into holiday and into the future.

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Kate McShane

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Horvers of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

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Chris Horvers

Thanks. Good morning, everybody. So first of all, the question is, as you talk about, you know, team sports is getting behind us and back to school is peaked as well. And you have a number of school districts and opening later and then Texas and, you know, delayed sports programs in New York State. High school sports are delayed till, you know, September 21st. So I guess, you know, how do you think about the potential acceleration of the business? Can you maybe peel away what's going on in the comp base X back-to-school and team sports?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Well, we won't get into quite that level of detail, but as I said, the team sports and back-to-school business has been soft so far. And even with that being soft and we have a big part of it behind us, the comps are still plus 11%. As we take a look at some of these school districts and states that have indicated that they're going to delay sports, we've got some inventory to be able to service them. But we're not sure that that's actually going to happen when it gets right down to it. Are they going to play? Are they not going to play? So we're being cautious as we go forward from a team sports standpoint in these fall sports.

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Chris Horvers

Understood. I guess maybe the other way to try to cut the question is, you talked about strong trends accelerating, obviously, over the quarter because of how you report comps, including closed stores, and then, you know, double-digit brick and mortar in June and July. So, you know, in our rough math, you said that you were down 4% quarter to date when you reported last time. It looks like you comped 30 in those months. Is that accurate?

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

That's pretty close, yes.

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Chris Horvers

Understood. And my follow-up is, Lee, on the SG&A, obviously a lot of puts and takes in there. You did have furlough savings, presumably some, maybe some rent, not rent, but maybe some other reduced hours affecting that SG&A line as well. So what's the right base of SG&A to sort of look at, you know, our back half estimates on a go-forward basis? Last year you were $515 million in SG&A and $600 million in third and fourth quarters. Are we now building off that, or what's the right base that we're building from?

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

I think last year is the right base, except you've got to take a look at in Q3 we had a big piece of incentive comp in there. Unless we have really extraordinary results here, we won't anniversary that kind of level of incentive comp. But I think the last year base is a good one to build off of. And then we talked about the incremental COVID expenses of $50 million a quarter. Probably split around $40 million will be, you know, in the SG&A line and $10 million in the gross margin, little hit gross margin.

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Chris Horvers

And just maybe to cut a different way, how much was the, you know, furlough savings that was an offset in the SG&A line?

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, you know, there were a lot of pieces in there, you know, furlough savings. We had some small reductions in force that are involved. We cut travel. We cut consulting costs. We really battened down the hatches in Q1 and cut CapEx and cut other SG&A expenses along the way. So we did have some pretty significant savings, particularly in the first half of the second quarter.

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Chris Horvers

Understood. Thanks very much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Lasser of UBS. Please go ahead.

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Michael Lasser

Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Was the entirety of the slowdown from 30% comms in June and July to 11% comms for the day in August due to weakness in back-to-school and teen sports, or did other categories slow as well?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

It's pretty much by the back-to-school categories. And in those back-to-school categories is footwear, is all the team sports, which is a pretty violent peak in the first part of August. A much higher percent of our total sales in August than it will be in September and October. So those back-to-school categories, the team sports, the cleat business, backpacks, all of those have been soft. But even with that, comps are still running 11% with margin rate expansion.

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Michael Lasser

And to borrow the term that you used very eloquently, Ed, it's not only fair to think about banking some comp for next year from the team sports business getting better or next year or whenever we get back to normal, but also back to school getting back to normal. So Is that the right way to think about it?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think so, Michael. I think the back-to-school business next year, we hope it will be better because we hope kids are actually going back to school, you know, in the classroom and playing sports, which we think is really important for the kids. But let's face it, there will be some offset to that, too, of some other categories that might not be quite as strong, but... We think we are in a great lane for what's going on right now, you know, in the country from an outdoor standpoint, the golf business, the camping business, kayaking, fitness, running. We think we're in a great lane. And a lot of these activities are going to continue into next year, even when hopefully sometime next year COVID is behind us with a vaccine and therapeutics, et cetera.

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Michael Lasser

So we... Is that how you're thinking about it, that consumers have adopted all these new behaviors and habits, whether it's working out at home or kayaking or fishing or golfing, and there won't necessarily be give back next year. These new habits are here to stay, and under what conditions would your thinking change? And then I'll turn it over. Thank you.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

So I think these things are pretty sticky. I think people are going to continue to do these activities. There's some great family activities that have taken place here, and I think people are going to continue those for some time into the future. What would make us think differently about that? If the trends change, but right now we don't see them changing significantly.

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Michael Lasser

Okay. Thank you very much, and good luck.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Michael.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Lajoie of City Research. Please go ahead.

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Paul Lajoie

Hey, thanks, guys. Just to follow up on the last couple comments about, you know, comp opportunity next year and also maybe, you know, some offsets to that. Can you maybe talk about some of the stronger specific categories that you see?

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Seth

We lost you.

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Lauren Hobart
President

proper categories that we see, maybe.

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Seth

Paul, are you still there?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Operator, if we can go to the next call, and then when Paul resumes, we can jump him in the front of the line.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Okay, our next question will come from Simeon Gutman of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

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Simeon Gutman

Thanks, everyone. Good morning. I wanted to ask first on gross margin. If you look back to 2019, it ended at around 29 and change, and it once peaked at about 31.5. So it's about 200 basis points below the peak. Does the channel mix explain most of this gap? And I think if we got the math right, it was about a 40 or 50 basis point channel mix headwind this quarter. What would be the reason it can't inch closer to that prior peak? I know e-commerce is probably extra good because of pickup and store, but should it narrow back over time, assuming the March margin continues to stay healthy?

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

You know, it should edge back toward that level. You know, there has been a channel shift, and the gross margin is lower because we have the delivery expense, we have the shipping expense in e-com, which is, you know, a structural problem. difference, but we are leveraging some of the fixed expenses in e-comm and fulfillment along the way, and a lot of it comes down to how promotional we're going to have to be. So we haven't had to be terribly promotional over the last three or four months or so in e-comm. I don't expect we're going to be able to maintain the same levels of gross margin coming out of our e-commerce business indefinitely, but for some time going forward, we should be able to maintain you know, elevated levels of gross margin.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

I think it can move closer to that also, too, Simeon, based on what's happening with our private brands. You know, our private brands are doing extremely well, whether it be CALEA, the DSG brand, what we're doing in a number of other categories, the fitness brands. So as our private brands continue to improve, our margin rates will continue to improve.

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Simeon Gutman

Yep. And any sense on the stickiness of using this curbside model, which I'm sure a lot of customers have been introduced to, which this wasn't an option before, but obviously it should be, you know, pretty powerful going forward. But how do you sense that'll continue and that, you know, these pickup rates will stay high going forward?

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Lauren Hobart
President

Hey, Simeon, it's Lauren. We do think that curbside is here to stay. It's been a fundamental shift in consumer behavior. And We anticipated originally that we would see a large drop off when the stores reopened, but that is not the case. Curbside remains very strongly penetrated and very high percentage of the mix. So we think curbside is a behavior that's here to stay and just an added element to a store so that the store becomes the omni hub of the whole ecosystem.

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

And we're expecting curbside to continue to be strong for the balance of the year. We're thinking that with COVID around, There might not be that much interest in getting into crowded stores in the Christmas season, so we're planning on a big curbside fall season. We're forward deploying inventory out to our stores to satisfy that demand, setting up all the parking lots to operate that way, and we'll be ready for a big curbside event the rest of the year.

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Simeon Gutman

Okay, and just to sneak this in, Ed, just in terms of the fluidity of the environment, this transition to other seasons, you know, even though the weather will change, in categories like bicycles and fitness, is it still literally this stuff comes in the door and is out that same day? Is it that type of demand environment still?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I'm not sure it's that day, Simeon, but it's a few days. It sells out pretty quickly as soon as we have the product in there.

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Simeon Gutman

Right, okay.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

We've got a nice flow of this. We've got an increasing level of supply coming in for fitness product over the next several months, for bikes over the next several months. The boat business is going to be a bit more constrained, although we do have some more product coming in. But we're pretty comfortable on the flow we've got coming in. It's just going to come in and go right back out.

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Simeon Gutman

Yep, thanks. Good luck.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks. Our next question will come from Paul Lajoie of City Research. Please go ahead.

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Paul Lajoie

Hey, thanks. Sorry for the song cutting out there. I was just asking about maybe if you could talk about some of the stronger performing categories that you saw specifically in the second quarter and just how do you plan F21? You've got the comp opportunity perhaps in the back to school and team sports categories, but then maybe difficult comparisons and some others. So just curious how you're thinking about it from an inventory perspective. And then also in some of these categories that you're chasing, are you seeing higher average unit costs in some of those hot trending categories? And to what extent are prices maybe moving higher, if at all?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks. We really haven't seen higher costs in any meaningful way coming out of these products. And again, some of these categories we're talking about, whether it be the camping business, the fitness business, the boat business, a lot of these are our own brands. So we control the supply chain and we've done a pretty good job with that. As we look into next year, what we really are is we're looking at 19 as the year to plan off of. And we've talked to a number of other people who are in our industry That's what they're doing also. Other brands that we do business with, a lot of them are looking at kind of planning off of 19, and that's what we're planning to do. We think next year, if a lot of this pandemic is behind us and kids are back in school and playing sports and everyone feels safe, we think there's a big upside in the team sports and the back-to-school business next year.

speaker
Paul Lajoie

Thank you. Good luck.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question will come from Michael Baker of DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

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Michael Baker

Hi. Thanks. I know you guys aren't going to give guidance per se, but it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, the implication with back-to-school and team sports becoming smaller over the coming weeks and months is – That would tell me that comps would accelerate. Is there an offset to that such that comps wouldn't accelerate? And excuse the working from home, my dog, barking exactly when my question comes up.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Michael, we can all relate to barking dogs and working at home.

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Michael Baker

No barking at all today until you call it on me. Like my kids.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I understand. No worries. So you would – That's not an inappropriate assumption, but last year, too, you know, we were exiting the hunt business last year, and there's a couple of offsets to that, but we're really comfortable and excited about where we're at, and we couldn't be happier that with the back to school kind of shaping up the way that it is, which is going to be, back to school is going to be a disappointment for, I think, for a lot of people. But we're fortunate that we've got this broader-based portfolio that we can offset that. And comps at plus 11 right now, we're pretty happy with. And these back-to-school items will become a smaller percent of the balance of the quarter.

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Michael Baker

Yeah, makes sense. Understood. Two questions for Lee real quick, if I could. One, Lee, you said that you're cycling incentive comp in the third quarter, unless you have a really strong third quarter this year. Well, you're comping at 11, and things could get better so you know i get how should we think about potential it's at the top of the third quarter of this year and that uh... i doubt this type of work question but the uh... the destruction of the place with the uh... convertible in the offsetting hedge uh... i think it fifty two forty uh... fifty two forty two dark all that start to become diluted you're about that now so if you give us any color how we should think about the sheer cop going forward

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

So I'll take on the expense question first. I mean, you know, we do have some significant, you know, additional expenses that we're incurring here that could, you know, with the COVID expenses that we have that, you know, that could impact, you know, the payout of incentive comp for this year. So, you know, we'd have to have some really strong comps in order to get to the level of incentive compensation pay that we had last year. So, you know, probably greater than the 11 that we've got, you know, a quarter to date. With regard to the convertible notes, you know, we did put the bond hedge structure in place, and you're right, the notes economically, excuse me, the convert becomes economically dilutive at around 52, 52.40 or so. Order of magnitude, you know, at $55. $55 on average for the quarter creates about 900,000 shares of dilution. So it's about 1% dilutive at $55 a share on a non-GAAP basis. On a GAAP basis, it's about 5.9 million shares, you know, on average for the quarter. If we're at a $55 price for the quarter, it would be 5.9 million.

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Michael Baker

Okay. That's a good color. And presumably the dilution goes up as the stock price goes higher. Correct. Understood. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Adrienne Yeh of Barclays. Please go ahead.

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Adrienne Yeh

Good morning. Congratulations on the progress in the quarter to date. My first question is on the digital. You're welcome. Well deserved. My first question is on the digital business. You know, as that grows, obviously you can see the data on new customers you've acquired since the pandemic began. Can you share any of those metrics or statistics there? For Lauren, can you talk about CALEA and DSG penetration? And probably more importantly, going forward, your physical brick-and-mortar channel is such a competitive advantage, given your end of all and big boxes. Are there opportunities for you to be the distribution channel for digitally native brands in athleisure, footwear, or maybe other categories? And then, Lee, my last question is, Last quarter, inventory had been shipping out of the stores to keep inventory clean. What happened in the third quarter, and what should normalized ship from store be? Thank you very much for taking my questions.

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Lauren Hobart
President

Okay, Adrienne, it's Lauren. I'll try to tackle the first few. So as digital grows, We do have new customers joining the Dixie ecosystem, a meaningful number of new customers and a meaningful number coming in through the digital channels, and those customers are repeating. So we're very pleased with new customers, generally speaking. I don't think I'm going to go deeper than that at this point, but generally speaking, we're very focused on retaining those new customers this quarter. Kalia and DSG are doing amazingly well, as I mentioned. Kalia's number two and three, they are the number two and three women's athletic, and DSG brand is number one across the board. We're very focused on private brand growth. I don't wanna share a penetration goal with you at this point, but we are very, very, very enthusiastic about those brands as well as some other new brands in the future. And then opportunities for us to be a distribution channel for digitally native brands is a very interesting thing. It's in a longer-term horizon, not something I would say is short-term. But certainly, we do believe that the omni-channel strength that we have and the fact that we have, you know, 800 points of pickup and distribution getting closer to home could really be an advantage for us, first and foremost, and possibly in the future, but no immediate plans on that.

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Adrienne Yeh

Great. Thank you.

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

With regard to the fulfillment channels in Q2, obviously when you have nearly a 200% comp increase, all of our fulfillment channels lifted in terms of volume. Our market fulfillment centers had significant increases year over year. Curbside was huge. Our ship from store picked up as well. Our vendor direct programs picked up. We talked about in total mix, 75% was fulfilled by the stores between ship from store and curbside. You know, all channels lifted in volume. The good news is we had the infrastructure in place to handle kind of holiday-level e-commerce sales for months on end with all the different fulfillment channels we have turned on. So, you know, as Lauren said earlier, a lot of the investments we made over time, both in technology and in fulfillment, really, really paid off for us during the quarter.

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Adrienne Yeh

Great.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you very much. Best of luck.

speaker
Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Seth Sigman of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

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Seth Sigman

Hey, guys. Good morning. Congrats on the quarter. I wanted to follow up on that last point around e-commerce economics. Obviously, in this environment, consumer adoption of online has accelerated probably by many years. I'm just wondering, can you elaborate on the efficiencies and the operating leverage that you're seeing that perhaps is more encouraging as you think about the scalability of e-commerce? Does it change at all how you think about the profitability of online over time? I realize that it has been improving in recent years, but does it give you any more confidence in, you know, what the profitability could look like over time?

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Lauren Hobart
President

Yes, it definitely does give us confidence that we have this quarter been able to leverage all of the fixed expenses and all the investment that you mentioned. in order to drive more flow through on the bottom line. We also had increased merch margin and then reduced shipping costs on a per package basis because of the increased BOPIS and curbside penetration. So overall, a very, very meaningful improvement in our e-commerce P&L and something that we think we can continue to leverage. All of the investments that we've made over time to be able to scale the platform are coming to fruition at this point.

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Seth Sigman

Okay. That's helpful. And just to clarify, would the profitability have improved even without the merchandise margin improvement?

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Lauren Hobart
President

Yes, meaningfully.

speaker
Seth Sigman

Okay. Okay. And then just around merchandise margin, you had been bracing for more promotional activity later in the quarter in Q2. It doesn't really seem like that happened. Can you just update us on what you're seeing now? How are you planning for promotional activity for the balance of the year? And then I'm just wondering how much of the constrained promotional activity is tight inventory versus perhaps

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

more structural change in how vendors are controlling distribution now we don't really see the majority of what's driving our business today we don't see that becoming more promotional there are inventory constraints across a number of categories and with those constraints we don't think it's going to get very promotional I think vendors are being very cautious and to make sure that the market doesn't get flooded with product that needs to be cleaned up going into next year. So I think everybody's taking a pretty conservative approach from an inventory standpoint, and inventory will be in very good shape, I think, at the end of the year. I don't think there'll be a glut, and I don't think there'll be a meaningful margin rate erosion.

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Seth Sigman

Okay, great. Thanks a lot.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question will come from Brian Nagel of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

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Brian Nagel

Hi, good morning. Great quarter. Congratulations. Thanks, Brian. I apologize for getting too near-term focused, but just to look at the performance here so far in the third quarter, and I understand that it's extraordinarily fluid and there may be really no normal markets, but in markets that have opened up more, where you're maybe seeing more regular team sports activity, are you seeing a different performance in the category there than the rest of the chain?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Meaningfully.

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Brian Nagel

Okay. Then the second question I have, I guess as we look into the back half of the year, look, you know, Dick's is not terribly fashion-focused, but there are new product launches from your key vendor partners who help to drive sales. So as you're talking to your partners, Given the fluidity, the disruptions in the environment, how are they thinking about product introductions and back-up? How do you think about that as a sales driver?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

It depends on the category and it depends on the brand. There'll be some, you know, Callaway's launching a new driver in a few weeks, which we think is going to be great. Some other people have delayed launches to, you know, clean up some inventory so that there's not... There's not a glut of inventory, or they're not doing product launches until, you know, some people are talking about not doing any new product launches until, you know, actually 22 in some categories, which I'm not going to get into what those are with those particular brands. I'll let them talk about them. But where there's going to be newness, I think it's going to be very good. I think some people that have had some newness now, but for reasons that business slowed down, whether that's in some of the team sports area, or backpack, some of that kind of stuff, where there's not going to be as much newness going into next year, we think that's perfectly fine. So we have, we think the brands are being very thoughtful and appropriate in how they're looking at this going forward.

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Seth

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Tom Nickick of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

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Tom Nickick

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on a great quarter. I want to ask, there's been some news out there about shipping cost increases and some of the carriers levying surcharges for the key holiday season in November and December. Do you have any thoughts around that or mitigation strategies or how we should think about the gross margin impact from potential shipping push in Q4?

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

The freight markets are tightening up out there, both truckload, intermodal, and package delivery. So we are starting to see some increases in rates there on the package side. UPS has announced across the board rate increases. We only do a very small part of our business with UPS. Most of it is done with FedEx. at this point, but with the higher level of e-commerce business that is likely to occur in the back half of the year, both with us and with everybody else, I would expect there to be some level of surcharges from both FedEx and UPS going forward for the fall. We don't know the extent of that at this point, but it is a potential headwind for later in the year. Now, that's partially offset by the tremendous amount of curbside pickup that we're doing, which should mitigate some of that expense on the e-commerce side. So, you know, we're excited about being able to offer that to our athletes as well.

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Tom Nickick

Got it. And, you know, when we think about the – moving to another topic – when we think about the, you know, strong performance in Q2 and the, you know, pretty solid quarter-to-day trends despite the back-to-school headwinds, So really you can think about it in terms of new customer acquisition versus something like wallet share among existing customers.

speaker
Lauren Hobart
President

This is Lauren. I think it's actually a little bit of both. We know we got new customer acquisition, but we also drove higher AURs and more sales within our existing customer base. So it was both.

speaker
Tom Nickick

All right, great. Thanks very much, and best of luck the rest of the year. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Sam Poser of Susquehanna. Please go ahead.

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Sam Poser

Hi, everyone. Good morning. This is Will on for Sam. I just wanted to follow up on this, you know, that you guys are taking, you're obviously taking market share, adding new customers. What are you guys doing to keep these new customers and make them quote unquote sticky?

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Lauren Hobart
President

We are really, really focused on trying to get customers into the family and then to retain them. So we've got a massive database of over 20 million athletes. Every time we get a new athlete, it's an opportunity to try to personalize and customize. And I would say the main change in what we're doing versus what we might have done in the past is that it's not just a promotional basket offer. It's a targeted incentive for people to come into the store and Um, so we, we, it's a, you know, we also have a ton of brand marketing out there to, to, um, you know, just drive brand health, but the traffic driving elements are very personalized and data driven.

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Sam Poser

So that's helpful. Thank you. And then, um, you guys, you know, you said that the private, private brands, private label outperformed, um, company average by 500 bits. How does the private label business, specifically for DSG and CLIA, compare, how does the performance compare online versus branded?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

So they're not as, right now, we're not going to get into a lot of detail, but they're not as penetrated online yet as some other brands, but we're moving in that direction. CLIA is making some real progress, and DSG is really only launched last year. But DSG this year will be our largest private brand across men's, women's, kids, and then into some of the hard lines categories that we have it in. So we're really pleased with what's going on with it. It's not as strong online yet, but we're working through that. And it's no different than what we expected, really.

speaker
Sam Poser

Gotcha. And just one more for me. So, Lee, as far as the SG&A savings, how much of that – savings do you expect to continue over into 2-H and then into next year? How much of that is sticky?

speaker
Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

In the short term, over the next quarter or two, we're going to continue to have some savings around travel expenses and consulting and things like that as we're obviously not traveling as much as we had due to the pandemic. From a staffing We are out aggressively hiring right now, so I would expect some of the savings that we had from Q2 to mitigate as we work our way through the year and into next year.

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Sam Poser

Fair enough. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question will come from John Kernan of Cowen. Please go ahead.

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John Kernan

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, Ed. Lauren, Lee, congrats on a phenomenal quarter.

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Lauren

Thank you.

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John Kernan

I wanted to talk on scorecards. Lauren, I think you dropped the number 20 million members, 70% of sales, obviously driving data-driven personalization, marketing, et cetera. Can you talk about the future of this business, what it means, the type of growth you're seeing in members, and what you're able to accomplish from a sales per member versus non-member? Thank you.

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Lauren Hobart
President

We have a big push behind our scorecard program. We've recently in the past year launched a gold program to reward our best customers and just keep driving a benefit to them that's better than the standard scorecard or the standard customer benefit. So we're driving membership. We have that enhanced online now, so that's easier to apply online, which used to be a barrier. and then just working on the value proposition so that our best customers know how much we value them and just putting everything through that lens when we make any decision to make sure that it's right for our customers and right for specifically our best customers.

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John Kernan

Got it. Maybe one follow-up question. It feels like, you know, despite your private label success, a lot of the relationships with your key vendors across a lot of different categories, whether it's soft lines, hard lines, have been strengthened recently, and you're getting top-level products, whether it's Callaway drivers or Nike on the footwear side of things, and the footwear decks, they really help you grow and build. I'm just wondering, can you talk about the strengthening relationship you have with a lot of your key vendors as we head into next year? Certainly, it feels like on their own conference calls, they're mentioning you more. We can see it when we walk the stores. Just talk about the strengthening relationship you know, with the key vendors at this point as we go into holiday.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think we've always had great relationships with our vendors. So this isn't something new. We've worked on this and, you know, for a number of years and we've got great partnerships with the people that we do business with. I think one of the reasons that they're strengthening going forward is that we have a footprint that allows us to showcase kind of brand's entire brand where some other retailers that they do business with you know they can showcase a portion of a brand we can showcase an entire brand you know if you take a look at some of the athletic companies we can showcase the apparel footwear in the hardline side of their business where some others can't when you take a look at from a a golf standpoint what we can showcase across the you know Callaway's brand for clubs bags balls gloves the accessory piece of the business. And I think they're looking at us as somebody who can showcase their entire brand, give a great presentation to the consumer walking in that they can't get. A couple people have said to us, the way you guys present and the space that you dedicate to and the way that you service it and the way that you merchandise it is how we would want to do it if we were doing our own store. And I think they just see us as a great... you know, is a great gateway to the consumer. And the relationships have just continued to strengthen. And, you know, our vendors do what they say they're going to do, and they know that if we say we're going to do something, we're going to do it. So I think the one thing that's really helping to strengthen the relationships with the vendors is the trust and communication on both sides. And there's been more communication, more strategic planning, and more trust between us and our key vendors than I think there ever has been in the past. And we see that continuing.

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John Kernan

That's great to hear. Thank you.

speaker
Tom Nickick

Thanks.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Warren Chang of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

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Warren Chang

Hi, good morning. I had a question on the new overtime and warehouse outlet stores that opens about halfway through the quarter. How much of the store base is able to utilize those centers for clearance? And is it changing the realizations that you're, you're getting on some of the end of life merchandise?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

So it's definitely, this is a very, this concept is, is very much at its infancy stage right now. We don't have many of them out there, but we've got, uh, they can take a lot of the clearance merchandise. We can get out of the stores, the traditional stores and make room for the new product, which is really helpful is another thing that's helping our margins. and we're able to realize a higher margin rate in these stores than if we kept it in our store and tried to clean it out. So early on, we're really pleased with what's going on here with these stores.

speaker
Warren Chang

Okay, and then just going forward beyond this year, how do you see that fitting into your overall clearance strategy? How much larger can that footprint be going forward?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Right now, we really don't know. We're just in the test phase. We'll see how it goes. There's, you know, we're working through this right now. Early on, we're very pleased with it, but we're not really ready to guide what this can be or how we're going to go with it going forward. It's still really much, very much in the test phase.

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Warren Chang

Got it. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from Peter Benedict of Baird. Please go ahead.

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Peter Benedict

Hey, guys, thanks for taking the question. Two questions. First, just maybe an update on the occupancy cost reductions, your progress on that front with some of your landlords. And I'm curious, does curbside figure into those discussions at all, you know, the enhanced use of this curbside fulfillment? Does that influence those discussions? And then secondly, the BOPIS attachment rates, you know, when folks are coming into the store to pick up an order, What have those attachments rates been historically, and are you seeing any change in that in the current environment when people are doing bulk this? Thanks.

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Lee Bulitsky
Chief Financial Officer

So with regard to the occupancy costs, we made some pretty good progress in the second quarter on negotiations of occupancy costs in cases where the stores were closed. In a number of the leases, we had an opportunity to abate our rents during a period of time that the stores were closed. From an accounting perspective, we've elected to defer those gains and spread the gains over the remaining life of the lease. So we didn't pick up those earnings during the quarter. Most of those discussions have wrapped up by now, and we're back to paying rent pretty much everywhere at this point. So relationships are pretty good right now, I'd say, with our landlord community.

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Lauren Hobart
President

On the Bobbitt question, in terms of attachment rates, it's not something we've disclosed in the past, but we are actually trying to drive reasonable attachments and UPT with every transaction, be it in-store, curbside, or buy online, pick up in-store. If you go see some of our curbside expressions, you'll see relevant attachment items sometimes out on the curb that people can buy and or offered on the website when you place the order that you'll also need this, this, and this. We're definitely focused on that.

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Peter Benedict

All right. Yeah. No, thank you. I've used the curbside at Dickson at Golf Galaxy. It's been a fantastic experience. So well done on that. Thank you very much.

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Lauren

Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks. Our next question will come from Scott Ciccarelli of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Scott Ciccarelli

Good morning, guys. Scott Ciccarelli. Thanks for squeezing me in. You mentioned that you have seen some meaningful performance differences in various geographies. Can you guys provide any more color on that? And I guess I'm really curious, you know, do you actually start to see a counter-cyclical effect where the sales of personal fitness and outdoor products actually accelerate enough where it more than offsets the team sports where we've had additional COVID-19 outbreaks?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

We're not going to get into kind of the geographic piece of this. they're playing team sports. We've seen the team sports business meaningfully outperform where they're not, which is not surprising. I think that the fitness business is going to be very good all over. People just know that in order to fight the pandemic or whatever comes next, people need to be healthy. That doesn't mean that we're going to have a lot of marathon runners, but people are going to get out and they're going to walk. They're going to By a treadmill, they're going to lift some weights, even if they're lightweights, kettlebells. This whole fitness trend is just people are going to try to be healthier. And we don't see that changing even when COVID-19 is in our rearview mirror for quite a while.

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Scott Ciccarelli

Okay, thanks for that. And then I guess, you know, a follow-up here. I'm just curious if your field teams are starting to see any competitive closures. It just seems like a lot of the biggest economic pressures we're seeing are within the retail landscape or on smaller private companies, one-off businesses and the like. I wonder if you started to see any of that in your particular sector.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Well, we've seen some closures, you know, I mean, Models is, you know, even before COVID, they were going to close. So Models is closing. I think we'll see a number of competitors close their stores and we think we'll be a beneficiary of some of this as it happens.

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Scott Ciccarelli

Got it. All right. Thanks, Seth.

speaker
Seth

Sure.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Our next question will come from Chris Saviza of Wedbush. Please go ahead.

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Chris Saviza

Good morning, everyone. Congratulations. Thanks for squeezing me in. I've got two. I guess first, just curious, the 75% of e-com that's fulfilled in stores, did you call out by any chance how much of that is actually curbside? I'm curious about that, number one. And number two, I guess, Ed, for you overall, when you made a comment earlier about about your planning the business off of 2019. I guess I'm curious, as we look at the business model from a financial perspective, is that a way we should be looking at it as well, just given a lot of the sort of abnormality and fluctuations we're going to see in 2020? Some things stick around, some things don't. Is that a fair way to kind of look at it, or do you feel like there's structurally going to be revenue benefits, margin benefits that will carry into 2021-2022? over and above how we should think about looking at 2019.

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Lauren Hobart
President

Hi, Chris. So in terms of your first question, we haven't specifically broken out how much curbside is of the percent of that 75%, but we did say that it used to be majority right around half, and it's now 75% coming through the store. So you can do some rough interpretation there in terms of curbside. It's very meaningful. And Ed, do you want to take the second one?

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

And as far as we go into 2019, I think you've got to look at your model however it works for you. We're going off 19 because we suspect next year in the first quarter, if you just look at it versus 20, our comps will be positive. I'm not sure that our comps will be positive in the second quarter next year just because in the second quarter our team did a great job. There was some pent-up demand from Q1. So this is a really odd year of how this is all going to play out. And hopefully 21 will be a more predictable year, let's put it that way. And the best way we think to do this is to go off of 19 from not only a sales standpoint, inventory standpoint. It's then our job to make a decision of what we think is going to happen category by category, department by department, and region of the country by region of the country. And so we've already started talking about this. We've started planning for 21 already, as you would expect, and we're really using 19 as the base of where to go.

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Chris Saviza

And just to follow up quickly on it, and that's helpful, thank you, but just from a margin perspective, e-commerce, things like curbside pickup, just sort of the sustainability of those to structurally impact the margin for the better as we move forward. How do I – maybe do we think that? And, again, the offsets. to a degree as we start to think about that as well.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

I think the e-commerce business is going to continue to accelerate. I think the curbside piece is going to accelerate. I think the curbside piece is what I think some people miss about this is it started off as a safety piece. People wanted it because they didn't want to come in contact with anyone else. It's now becoming a convenience piece. A number of people have said to me, Hey, curbside was great. I called, I got there, I sent the text or I made the phone call. In a couple minutes they brought the product up and I was on my way. So this is really getting to be a convenience piece. I think it will be more a convenience piece in 21 than it is a health and safety concern as it is today. So we think that's going to continue and I think that will accelerate. The one thing everybody Maybe not right now, but the one thing everybody felt time constrained was their time. And I think curbside gives people some time back, and I think it's going to continue.

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Chris Saviza

All right. Thank you very much, and all the best. Sure. Thank you. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ed Stack for any closing remarks.

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Ed Stack
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on our Q2 call and we'll look forward to talking to everybody when we release earnings for Q3. Thank you very much and everybody stay well and stay safe.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.

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