DTE Energy Company

Good morning. My name is Brent and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the DTE Energy third quarter 2021 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question at that time, simply press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. Barbara Tuckfield, you may begin your call.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone to read the Safe Harbour Statement on page two of the presentation, including the reference to forward-looking statements. Our presentation also includes references to operating earnings, which is a non-GAAP financial measure. Please refer to the reconciliation of GAAP earnings to operating earnings provided in the appendix. With us this morning are Jerry Norcia, President and CEO, and Dave Rude, Senior Vice President and CFO. And now I'll turn it over to Jerry to start the call this morning.

Well, thanks, Barb, and good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us. I have a lot of positive updates to share with you today. I'll be giving you an update on our 2021 performance and an overview of our long-term plan. Dave will then provide details on our financials. Then we'll take your questions. So let's start on slide four. On the second quarter call, I said that we were having a strong start to the year. And with three quarters of 2021 behind us, that description is still on the market. as we continue to deliver for our team, customers, communities, and investors. This progress in 2021 positions us well for our future growth. DTE continues to be recognized for our engagement by Gallup with our ninth consecutive Great Workplace Award. In addition, we remain committed to our focus on diversity, equity, and inclusion. Switching over to our customers. As you know, our service territory experienced some major storms. This summer, we had 12 storms with five having over 100,000 outages. It is something we have never seen in DT's history. I would like to thank our entire team for really responding in incredible ways to these historic events. Our crews worked countless hours to restore power to our customers. And for that, I am very grateful. We understand how important it is to provide reliable power and are committed to making continuous improvements as part of our service excellence efforts for our customers now and into the future. We have accelerated our efforts in the most impacted communities, including Wayne, Oakland, and the Washtenaw counties. In an effort to accelerate our preventative maintenance, we are increasing our treatment workforce from 1200 to almost 1500 people. and our overhead line workforce from 850 to over 1,000. We made the decision to invest an additional $70 million in our tree trimming program from 2021 to 2023, as over two-thirds of our outages are tree-related. Additionally, we have been making significant investments and increasing our focus on grid reliability. We are advancing our efforts to get trees off the wires and deliver clean, safe, and reliable energy, all while focusing on service excellence for our customers. We filed a distribution grid plan with the Michigan Public Service Commission in September. The plan addresses the long-term investment strategy that prepares our grid for the eventual electrification of transportation. and addresses the increasingly severe weather patterns that we have seen in our service territory. Moving on to our communities, we are continuing our commitment to provide cleaner, more reliable energy. We have partnered with Washtenaw County to build our first My Green Power community solar project. The 20 megawatt facility will be the largest of its kind in the area. On the investor front, we continue to have a strong financial year and are well positioned to deliver growth. As you will see in our 2022 outlook and our five-year plan, we are on track to deliver 5% to 7% EPS growth through 2026 and dividend growth in line with our EPS growth. Now let's turn to slide five. 2021 is shaping up to be a very successful year. We are raising the midpoint of our operating EPS guidance from $5.77 to $5.84 per share. This is 14% growth in EPS from our original 2020 guidance. And I feel very confident that you'll see a final 2021 number that is at the higher end of our new operating EPS guidance range. I am proud that we're able to deliver these results while we continue to keep our electric base rates flat throughout most of 2022. We have not increased our electric base rates since May of 2020, and we don't plan to file our next electric rate case until early next year. For 2022, we're providing an operating EPS early outlook range of 570 to 597 per share. Even with the REF earnings rolling off at the end of this year, we continue to deliver 6% growth from the 2021 original guidance midpoint. We will work towards hitting the higher end of that range as we have done in the past. Today, we are also announcing a 7% increase to our 2022 annualized dividend, in line with the top end of our operating EPS growth target. As I mentioned on the last quarter call, We retired the River Rouge power plant this year and plan to retire Trenton Channel and St. Clair power plants in 2022. This is nearly 2,000 megawatts of coal retirements, or 30% of our coal generation fleet. In this quarter, we made another significant step toward our goal of reducing carbon emissions. We announced that we'll be ceasing coal use at Bell River by 2028, two years earlier than originally planned. and preparing also to file an updated integrated resource plan in the fall of 2022, almost one year earlier than planned. We look forward to working with all stakeholders to address ways to further accelerate decarbonization, while always maintaining affordability and reliability for our customers. In order to ensure we continue to have clean, reliable and affordable power for our customers, We have built or contracted for 2,500 megawatts of wind and solar energy, purchased 1,200 megawatts of natural gas peaker plants, and expect our new state-of-the-art 1,100 megawatt combined cycle gas turbine plant to be up and running in 2022 to coincide with our coal retirements. Now, moving over to the non-utility side, we are renaming our power and industrial segment to DTE Vantage. Through our unique vantage point, we are helping customers transform the way their energy is produced and managed to be substantially cleaner and more efficient. The name DTE Vantage better reflects our position in bringing innovative, cleaner energy solutions to our customers. Now let's turn to slide six to review our five-year capital plan. Over the five-year plan, our utilities continue to focus on our infrastructure investment agenda, especially investments in cleaner generation and investments to improve reliability and the customer experience. Our updated five-year utility plan is $18 billion, which is $1 billion higher than the prior plan. Over 90% of our five-year investment plan will be at our two utilities. Investments in our non-utility business are strategically focused on our customers' needs and aligned with our aggressive ESG initiatives. Overall, we have a robust total investment agenda of $19.5 billion over the next five years. And as always... We continue to look for ways to bring more capital into the plan to advance our clean vision plan and further improve reliability for our customers while maintaining affordability. Let's turn to slide seven. At DTE Electric, we announced our plan to accelerate decarbonization by ceasing coal use at the Bell River Power Plant by 2028, reducing carbon emissions by 50%. two years earlier than originally planned. This is another step toward our goal of net zero carbon emissions. Additionally, we expect to file our integrated resource plan in the fall of 2022, one year earlier than planned. By making this important generation decision now, EPE continues to accelerate our journey toward cleaner energy generation that is affordable and reliable for the customers and communities we serve. The $1 billion increase in our DTE electric five-year plan is driven by distribution infrastructure investments, preparing our grid for electrification and hardening initiatives, and increased cleaner energy investment due to our voluntary renewable program, which is still exceeding our high expectations. This quarter, we have partnered with Washtenaw County to build our first My Green Power solar project. Overall, the My Green Power program, which is one of the largest in the nation, continues to grow at an impressive rate. So far, we have reached over 950 megawatts of voluntary renewable commitments with large business customers and over 40,000 residential customers. We have an additional 400 megawatts in advanced stages of discussion with future customers. For our distribution infrastructure renewal, we are supporting electrification and load growth with infrastructure redesign, improving circuit reliability and reducing restoration times with system hardening, and enabling a smarter grid with advanced technology and automation. This $15 billion investment over the next five years supports our long-term operating earnings growth of 7% to 8% at the electric company. And now let's discuss the opportunities at our gas utility on slide eight. At DTE Gas, we are on track to achieve net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. Earlier this year, we announced our new natural gas balance program. This program provides the opportunity for customers to purchase both carbon offsets and renewable natural gas to enable them to offset up to 100% of the carbon from their natural gas uses. We are proud of how fast this program is growing. Currently, we have over 4,000 customers subscribed, and we look forward to seeing it become as successful as our voluntary renewable program at DTE Electric. Overall, at DTE Gas, we are planning on investing $3 billion over the next five years to upgrade and replace aging infrastructure with potential upside to the plan of $500 million. Along with our pipeline integrity and main replacement investments, we are investing in innovative technology and products that will reduce methane emissions and a carbon footprint for our company. Overall, we expect our long-term operating growth to be 9% at DTE Gas. Now let's turn to slide 9. As I mentioned earlier, We renamed our P&I business to DTE Vantage. We are planning on investing between $1 to $1.5 billion at this segment over the next five years. We are targeting operating earnings of $85 to $95 million in 2022, growing to $160 to $170 million in 2026, with approximately 80% of the operating earnings in this business coming from decarbonization-related projects. As the REF business sunsets at the end of this year, we continue to see additional opportunities in renewable natural gas and industrial energy services. Earlier this year, we told you about a new RNG project in South Dakota, which is now under construction and slated to start up in the second quarter of next year. We commenced construction on another Wisconsin RNG project in the third quarter. and entered into an agreement for an additional RNG project, which will be our first project in New York. In aggregate, these three projects will serve the vehicle fuel market, producing over 500,000 million BTUs of RNG per year, with 100% of the production offtake contracted long-term. There has been strong RNG market growth supported by the federal renewable fuel standard and California's low carbon fuel standard. We are uniquely positioned to capitalize on a growing preference for efficient energy with the opportunity to implement cogeneration systems, especially as manufacturing plants continue to open up nationwide. This also puts us in a very good position to explore additional decarbonization opportunities. including carbon capture and storage. And with that, I'll turn it over to Dave to give you a financial update. Dave, over to you.

Thanks, Jerry, and good morning, everyone. Let me start on slide 10 to review our third quarter financial results. Total operating earnings for the quarter were $334 million. This translates into $1.72 per share. You can find a detailed breakdown of EPS by segment, including our reconciliation to GAAP reported earnings in the appendix. I'll start the review at the top of the page with our utilities. DT electric earnings were $342 million for the quarter. This was lower than the third quarter of 2020, primarily due to cooler weather in 2021 and higher storm costs, partially offset by higher commercial sales. Moving on to DT gas, Operating earnings were $10 million lower than the third quarter last year. The earnings decrease was driven primarily by higher O&M expenses and rate-based growth costs, partially offset by the rate implementation. Let's keep moving down the page to DT Vantage on the third row. Operating earnings were $73 million. This was $26 million higher than the third quarter of 2020, driven primarily by REF earnings and new RNG projects. On the next row, you can see Energy Trading had another solid quarter with operating earnings relatively flat quarter over quarter. Finally, Corporate & Other was unfavorable, $39 million quarter over quarter. There are a couple of main drivers for this variance. The largest driver is the timing of taxes, which will reverse in the fourth quarter. We also had a one-time tax item true-up subsequent to the spin of DT Midstream. As we look forward to the balance of the year, The tax timing adjustments for the first three quarters will result in approximately a $50 million favorable reversal in the fourth quarter. So our full year 2021 results at Corporate & Other is expected to fall within our guidance for that segment. Overall, DT earned $1.72 per share from continued operations in the third quarter of 2021. This represents a very strong third quarter, and our year-to-date results put us in a great position for the year. Let's turn to slide 11. As Jerry mentioned, we are raising the midpoint of our 2021 operating EPS guidance from $5.77 to $5.84 per share. Our revised operating EPS guidance range for 2021 is $5.70 to $5.98 per share. And with strong year-to-day performance, we expect our full-year operating EPS to be biased toward the higher end of this range. This bias to the higher end also reflects the additional investment and reliability as we are investing $70 million to combat extreme weather-related power outages with no impact to our customer bills. Additionally, we've contemplated some further invest opportunities in our businesses during 2021, which positions DT well for success in future years. Let's move on to slide 12 to discuss our 2022 outlook. We are continuing strong 5% to 7% long-term operating EPS growth through some significant milestones. We are converting $1.3 billion of mandatory equity in 2022, and the REF business will sunset at the end of 2021. Through this, we will achieve 6% growth from 2021 original guidance. Our 2022 operating EPS early outlook midpoint is $5.84 per share. and we will work toward hitting the higher end of our range of $5 and 70 cents to $5 and 97 cents per share in 2022 at DT electric growth will be driven by distribution and cleaner generation investments. DT gas will see continued customer focused investments in main renewal and other infrastructure improvements that support our capital plan. As we discussed, 2021 is the final year of earnings for our reduced emissions fuels business at DT Vantage. Approximately $90 million of REF earnings, net of associated costs, rolls off at the end of the year. This is offset by new project earnings in 2022. 2022 earnings at this segment are largely driven by continued RNG and industrial energy services projects that will serve as a base for growth going forward. At Corporate & Other, the biggest driver in our year-over-year improvement is lower interest expense. This is the result of leveraging earnings and cash strength in 2021 to opportunistically remarket some higher-priced debt. This will provide interest savings in 2022 and future years. Let's turn to slide 13 to discuss our balance sheet and equity issuance plan and wrap up before taking your questions. We continue to focus on maintaining solid balance sheet metrics. Due to our strong cash flows, DTE has minimal equity issuances in our plan beyond the convertible equity units in 2022, while also increasing our five-year capital investment plan by $1 billion. We have a strong investment-grade credit rating and target an FFO to debt of 16%. Additionally, we are increasing our 2022 dividend by 7% to $3.54 per share. In the third quarter, we completed our liability management plan following the spin of our midstream business. Using the funds raised from DTM's debt issuance, we repurchased a little over $2.6 billion of corporate debt and incurred approximately $400 million of debt breakage fees associated with the early retirement of this debt. Since this debt was allocated to the midstream business in our previous financial statements, you won't see a large decrease in the debt level at corporate and other companies. This liability management plan is NPV positive, EPS accretive, and further supports our long-term growth. So in summary, we feel great about our success so far this year and are confident in achieving our increased 2021 guidance. 2022 is looking good with 6% EPS growth from 2021 original guidance and our increased five-year capital plan supports our five to 7% long-term growth while delivering cleaner generation and increased reliability for our customers. DTE continues to be well-positioned to deliver the premium total shareholder returns that our investors have come to expect over the past decade, with strong utility growth and a dividend growing in line with EPS. With that, I thank you for joining us today, and we can open up the line for questions.

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Char Pereza with Guggenheim Partners. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning, Char. Hi, Char. Just on the CapEx plan, how are you currently looking at the generation spending in plan? I mean, you announced Bell River would cease coal operations ahead of schedule. So are there sort of incremental spending opportunities for generation, especially in light of the IRP filing? Any kind of specific constructs that you may be looking for, Jerry? We've seen some, you know, more aggressive proposals from your Michigan peer and You know, I guess I'm asking, can you get out of all coal by, you know, the 2030-35 timeframe? And do you sort of, is there an opportunity to provide an early look into the IRP at EEI ahead of next year's filing? So a couple of embedded questions there.

Sure. As you've seen, we've accelerated the Bow River power plant conversion from coal to other fuel sources like natural gas or RNG and potentially hydrogen. So that's certainly in the works by 2028. As you mentioned, we're going to file an IRP in the fall of next year, and we're going to really use the next year to get a lot of feedback from interested stakeholders like the Commission and other parties that will have an interest in our acceleration program. of coal retirements. As you know, the Monroe coal plant is slated to retire in 2040, but we are looking at many scenarios to pull that forward, Char. So that will become much more transparent when we file the IRP, the details of exactly how we're going to do that and also replace that baseload generation. That's over 3,000 megawatts of baseload generation. So we're going to have to think through very carefully how do we maintain reliability and affordability and get good feedback from our stakeholders so what you see in the current five-year outlook is an increase in about a billion dollars in cleaner generation that's really driven primarily by our investments in voluntary renewables as well as some investments that we have at our pump hydro facility and a small hydrogen pilot perhaps at our blue water energy center got it

And then, Jared, just a question on 21 guidance and sort of how you plan to offset some of the storm and other headwinds from 3Q that were not in plan, right? What sorts of kind of maybe discretionary spending flex do you have, and does that kind of differ anything into 22? So I guess I'm asking about contingency and flex, and if you're using any of that up ahead of 22.

We're going to deliver 2021. All of those storm costs are already reflected in our results and in our current guidance for 2021. So I can tell you I'm extremely confident in delivering 2021. And as Dave and I mentioned in our speaker, description that we'll likely deliver at the high end of that. So we're feeling really strong about 21. I have no concerns about delivering 2021. And 2022, just to speak about that for a moment, as usual, we spent all of the year building levels of contingency to ensure the delivery of 2022. And as you've seen in the past, if we don't consume that contingency, then we'll trend towards the higher end of guidance. So again, 21 is locked in. and um and trending towards the higher end of that guidance and 22 is uh feeling really good and really strong at this point in time as a matter of fact we're busy working on 23 to build a strong plan for 2023. perfect that's what i was trying to get at and just lastly for me um on the energy trading side um obviously we're seeing a step run on commodities right and gas is now you know a little over six dollars for the winter

How is the portfolio positioned in terms of volatility with the gas? Are there any kind of risks to counterparties as we saw with Texas this year? Conversely, is there kind of an opportunity to exceed there?

Our portfolio is slightly long as it relates to natural gas, Char. So if anything, there's bias for upside as commodity prices in the gas business have gone up. So I would say certainly biased for some level of upside. Perfect. Congrats, guys, on the results.

Good execution. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tenet with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.

Hi, good morning. This is actually Ryan on for Jeremy. Just kind of wanted to start on the DTE Vantage and that 160, 170 laid out in 2026. Just wanted to kind of talk through the line of sight you have to that number. It's been very successful with the R&G projects, and, you know, that has been trending well. But thinking through the carbon capture side, you know, how much kind of growth capital you think you could deploy there in the near term and how much the kind of current legislative environment with the 45Qs support that or how much you might need support on that side to make those projects kind of more economic.

So I'll start by saying that, you know, the – The way we get to our guidance, five-year guidance for DTE Vantage is we continue to deliver $15 million in net income growth per year. And that's really underpinned by us being very selective about what R&G projects we do and what cogeneration projects we do. Those are our two major business lines. So just to give you a feel for it, you know, we'll complete construction of the Dakota Plains project in 2022 and And then we've got a Wisconsin project that will go in service in 2022 as well. And we've got a third one in New York that will likely be placed into service in 2022 or early 2023. And in addition, we have a co-gen facility that goes online in 2022. All of that builds for our growth into 2023 and beyond, as well as we've got – a handful of really strong opportunities in the pipeline and the R&G space and co-gen space that we'll keep marching along. Again, $15 million in new net income is something that we feel is reasonable to achieve each and every year, and that's how we got to our $90 million for 2022, by knocking off $15 million a year for five years. So we're just going to continue on that trend and deliver for you all.

Got it. Does that make sense? Okay, yeah, carbon capture.

Yes, I was going to speak to carbon capture. That's early for us. The 45Q is very good, but the low carbon fuel standard in California makes it even more interesting. So we are looking at potential carbon capture opportunities, but I'd tell you it's extremely early at this point in time. But we'll continue to update you as we make progress in that arena.

Got it. That makes sense. I just want to follow up a little bit on the electric capex, and thinking through the voluntary renewables, you said 950 megawatts, and then another 400 is in advanced negotiations. How should we be thinking about what is currently embedded in the current capital plan, and then how much is further upside opportunity? Is it fair to assume that that 400 megawatts is just further opportunity at DTElectric through the voluntary renewables program?

Well, the 400 megawatts will go a long way to filling up the $3 billion we got in our five-year plan. So that gives us great confidence that we'll deliver on the $3 billion of clean generation. You'll see on slide seven. And is there upside? Yes, potentially. You know, every year we continue to update that line item in cleaner generation as we think about pull retirements and as we think about increased voluntary renewables. All of that points towards future growth in our investments in cleaner generation.

That's good. I'll leave it there. Thanks for my question.

Your next question comes from the line of Julian Dumoulin-Smith with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, team. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Well done all around here. Hey, excellent. Pleasure. Indeed. A quick question here. I know you guys are talking about planning already all the way out to 23, but how are you thinking about just responding to the storms from this last summer? I mean, obviously resiliency and reliability are of paramount importance. I mean, are there incremental capital opportunities here? I mean, we've heard some of your peers contemplating expanding, you know, for instance, undergrounding and other sort of reinforcement opportunities around some of these latest rounds of storms, as well as potentially baking in any incremental effects into your, you know, for instance, 22 plan, as you think about responding to the PSC here.

Well, so let me take those one at a time, Julian. So you have seen that we made a regulatory filing to take some of the favorability in 2021 that we're experiencing and rolling it into $70 million, at least $70 million of incremental tree trim. So that's the immediate response, and that's going to fund $200 to $300 million people, incremental tree trimmers coming to the state to trim trees and get the get the trees off our wires. So that's that's immediate. That's the immediate response, and so that'll run through our tree trim. tracker that we have, and that'll be a good thing for our customers to get to improve reliability for the next summer and the subsequent summer. So we're really looking at accelerating our two-term program with that incremental investment. And again, that'll be sized somewhere between $70 to $90 million of a pull forward. And the source of that will be our favorability in 21 that we're experiencing. The second thing you'll see is in our capital plan, we've raised our distribution infrastructure investment from $7 billion to $8 billion in response to our detailed planning that we've put in front of the commission as it relates to resiliency, to accommodate worsening weather patterns, and also to accommodate the eventuality of the electrification of the transportation fleet. That's going to be a big deal for us in the second half of this decade. Currently, we're starting to see over a thousand connections uh to our grid from evs and that's grown from a couple hundred last year so all of that is pointed towards uh creating that eight billion dollars towards creating a more resilient reliable and more efficient more efficient grid excellent all righty and if i can just to come back to that 15 million if i remember right i think the the 90 million baseline you talked about here was off 22 if i remember

almost seems like the 165 is even a little bit better than the 15 cadence. I could have my numbers off slightly there, but it seems like that's a good trend. And if you can, again, not to rehash too much to that last question, but, you know, the line of sight of 6 versus today, you know, certainly it seems like at least at a minimum a good placeholder and with an accelerating backdrop relative to what you've already picked off at $15 million a year, you would think that there's potentially even more opportunity there. Yeah. You may have spoken to this a second ago, you know, mentioning the incremental co-gens, but I'm just trying to push you a little bit further on how much clarity you already have against that 165 versus incremental.

Dave, I'll let you start, and then I'll jump in as well.

Yeah, I'd say, like Jerry said, we are a really good pipeline of projects within our DT Vantage business right now. And so getting that $15 million a year, you know, is right within our site. And one of the keys, Julian, as we've gone through this before, is staying within 10% of our business being non-utility. And so that's also one of the drivers that kind of keeps us from pushing that too much. You know, there's always other ways that we could look at that if we did find some more growth, but that's also one of the limiters for our growth as well.

And, Julian, that gives us the opportunity to be really selective. You know, right now we're still seeing R&G projects that were originating, and they're all greenfield. Um, and that's how we're creating the greatest amount of value. We're seeing, you know, three to five year simple cash paybacks and IIRs and in the team, some levered IIRs and teams. So we, we like the approach that we have. And it, it also meets with our strategic goals of, uh, like Dave said, keeping a 90, 10 split between utility and non-utility.

Right. No, I was, I didn't mean to nitpick. I was just suggesting that the, uh, 2026 seems like it's even better than 15 a year. And I was just coming back to that. Sorry. Thank you guys very much. I appreciate it. I'll leave it there.

Thanks, Julian. Thanks. Your next question comes from the line of Insoo Kim from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Yeah, thank you. A lot of my questions have been asked and answered, but just on the financing side of things, you know, you've laid out through 2024 now minimum equity needs. And when we think about this additional billion dollars over the roll forward five-year plan, any insight into that 25 and six period, whether at least in this base plan for now, whether you'll need any more equity in terms of that back half of the plan?

Yes, we see really good cash flow generation through our five-year plan. And so that minimal equity needs, that's consistent right now within our plan, even bringing in this additional billion dollars of capital into the plan.

Okay, understood. And then my follow-up question is, you know, Jerry, your company has had a track record of being, you know, pretty conservative on your annual guidance and always, you know, exceeding or outperforming that. And this, you know, whether it's 2022 or whatnot, the 6% that you've highlighted does make sense. The question is, given for this year, this is kind of the second time that you're raising guidance, are there not as many opportunities just from an operational constraint basis to pull forward more costs into the next year so that from a year-over-year cadence perspective for earnings growth that it's a bit smoother? I'm just wondering, I think given some of the investors and people on the street are used to or looking for more stability and predictability of annual earnings growth, despite, you know, you guys always having that track record of outperforming your guidance. So just any color there.

Sure. So I'll start by saying, if you look at our track record over the last decade, you would see that our, you know, EPS growth on a CAGR basis is one of the highest in the industry. And, you know, I think it's tracking, probably well over 8% at this point in time if we were to include this year. So we're pretty proud of our EPS growth track record. We are conservative in our planning in the sense that we do put contingencies in to anticipate any potential variations in either load or weather at our two biggest income producers, which are our utilities. So again, as I mentioned, for 2022, I feel really good about the level of planning that's gone into 2022. And if we do not consume our contingency, we'll be tracking towards the higher end of that guidance. For 2023, we're putting that year together, and I expect that that will come together just as nicely as 21 and 22 and the last decade have. Got it. Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Travis Miller with Morningstar. Your line is open.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Good morning.

I wonder if you could give some thoughts on the latest developments in the gas rate case, the various filings there.

Sure. So we've had multiple interveners, including the staff and EEG and now the administrative law judge file their positions. When we take all of that into consideration, we feel pretty good about the outcome that we expect from the gas rate case. We really believe we'll get a productive outcome, and that'll meet our needs and our investors' needs.

Okay. Is the sensitivity around that 2022 guidance, is there sensitivity in there in terms of what the final outcome might be? on that gas case?

Well, certainly part of our contingency planning is to try and accommodate various scenarios. But I would say that you'll see a productive outcome on ROE, you know, which is really important to our investors. You know, the Commission has taken a past practice of gradual approaches to ROE and has also taken a pretty fair stance on on our capital deployment plans and any investments that we've made in the gas business. So I think we're going to get a really productive outcome that will help us deliver our 2022 targets. Okay.

Great. And that's all supportive of the CapEx numbers that you were putting out there for the next few years, right?

That's correct. And we've got strong support from the commissioners and the staff. On our CapEx program at the gas company, it really is about infrastructure renewal. We're replacing about 200 miles of gas main every year from replacing the cast iron with new PVC piping. And also moving about 30,000 meters from inside the home to outside of the home. So all of that is pointed at infrastructure. future safe and reliable operation of our gas infrastructure. So lots of support for that strong support, not only from the commission, but also from the administration who's pro infrastructure renewal in the, in the state.

Sure. Sure. Okay. That's all they had. Thanks a lot.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Jonathan Arnold with vertical research. Your line is open.

Good morning guys.

Hi.

Good morning, Jonathan.

Hi. Just one question on the gas utility CapEx plan. You said, I think, there's half a billion of incremental opportunity sitting on top of the base plan, which is similar to how that looked last year and possibly the year before. I was just checking. But, Jerry, can you give us a sense of what's in there and what the timing and sort of forum for getting some of that into the plan would be?

Sure. So we've brought in about an extra $100 million into this current five-year outlook, incremental. And, you know, we are always looking for opportunities to bring more. We've got a very large inventory of infrastructure over the old needs of the gas company, primarily starting to point towards some of our transmission assets like aging compressor stations, and also aging pipelines that are going to start to need some level of replacement in the transmission portion of our operation. So what stands in the way of getting incremental capital into the plan is really us finding affordability opportunities to offset the rate pressure that these investments would create. So that's what would bring it in, Jonathan. And so we'll continue to update that plan each and every year and try to bring more capex into the plan to accelerate our work. as it relates to infrastructure renewal.

Okay. So we should, should we think of it as part of the next, you know, the future rate case cycles as opposed to some other regulatory venue?

That's where you will see it. That's where it'll be most, most transparent.

Great.

Yes.

Thank you, Jerry. And then just on the, uh, the tax items in the quarter, uh, the corporate, I think you mentioned, um, there was this item that's going to reverse $50 million in the fourth quarter, but you'd also mentioned at one time a true-up in third quarter. I was just wondering if Dave could unpack those, you know, how much those two different items impacted the quarter and which direction the true-up went in, et cetera.

Dave, do you want to take that? Sure. As you said, there were – two big drivers for the variance in the quarter at corporate and other that were tax-related. We do still expect to hit our guidance for corporate and other for the quarter and our increased guidance for the year. But on the tax, the one-time true-up, that was a valuation allowance that was against the tax deduction that we were carrying forward. And so when we had lower pre-tax earnings as a result of the spend, We looked at this differently and realized that we had to reduce that a little bit. And there will be about an $18 million delta for that that was negative. Then on the tax timing, the effective tax rate, that's an adjustment that we do for GAAP. And it's just because as our pre-tax earnings and credits aren't earned ratably over the year, we have an entry at corporate and other that trues that up to the effective tax rate. And so that was about the same amount for the quarterly And then we had some of that from the first three quarters that all will reverse in the fourth quarter, and that'll be the $50 million that we discussed that we'll see favorable in the fourth quarter.

So combined, about $36 million in the third quarter.

Yeah, it's right around that. It's a little less than that, actually, relative to last year. But, yeah, it's about that.

Great. Thank you. And just one other thing. You mentioned in talking about 22, Dave, the conversion. But if I'm not wrong, that really hits really at the end of the year. So wouldn't that be more of a 23 headwind? And is that just sort of how should we think about that as you're trying to set up for sort of smoother growth, et cetera?

Yeah, it comes in November of 22, so we see a little bit in 22. We see a sixth in 22, but then 23 is when – It does have a little more of a headwind for us. It will be growing through that too.

Okay. All right. I just wanted to check out and remember that correctly. Thank you.

Thank you. Your next question is from Ryan Levin with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Thank you for taking my question. What's the current gas hedge position for DT Gas heading into the winter and

So the current hedge position for gas is 90% heading into this winter and about 65% heading into the following winter of 2022-2023. Thank you.

Do you have a sense of what the net customer bill impact will be this winter as a result of that hedge profile and the current cash prices?

It'll be pretty minimal since we've secured about 90% of our gas supply at fixed prices. In other words, the prices are fixed for about 90% of the portfolio. So we see a very minimal impact.

Appreciate that. And then switching to the storm impacts, there's been, I guess, the governor letter and the commission requests for information on some of the worst performing circuits in I guess the question is, what's the incremental cost for undergrounding that would make that option more viable? And is there any developments that could switch your current plan away from tree trimming to some other alternative form of mitigation?

So I'll start by saying that about undergrounding. A little over 30% of our system is underground now. In the 70s, we started to underground all new subdivisions and all new developments. So we have been underground for quite a few years. What remains above ground in residential neighborhoods primarily is infrastructure that's older than that. We've looked at and continue to look at ways to strategically underground. But it is very expensive, so you have to be very strategic about how you do it. So just to give you an idea, About seven or eight years ago, I was asked by a mayor of one of the communities that we serve whether we could underground the whole system. And it was a community of 14,000 residents, and the cost to underground was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. The cost to trim those circuits was $200,000 or $300,000, which would give us about 95% of the same reliability impact. So it's, again, undergrounding is great. I think we have to approach it in a strategic manner. That is a question that we're addressing in our distribution plan, five-year plan that we put in front of the commission. And we'll continue to work to find ways, strategic ways to underground. But it is very cost prohibitive to take existing systems and underground them. And also disruptive to our customers, the sense that the locations where you have to underground, you have to remove the trees, tear up front lawns and driveways, as well as backyards, potentially, when systems are in people's backyards.

I appreciate it. And maybe one last follow-up in terms of the potential penalties that could be ascribed for future storm outages. Any color you can provide around how you're approaching that potential issue and if any of these mitigation efforts could weigh into that decision.

Well, many of the mitigation efforts that were deploying increased tree trim and of course an $8 billion investment agenda in the grid, I think will go a long ways to fundamentally improving the reliability of the grid. In terms of customer credits that we provide, we are revisiting that with the commission and we expect to resolve that over the next 12 to 18 months. We think that the $25 credit for extended periods of outage is outdated. and we agree that it needs to be increased, and we just need to arrive at a level that makes a lot of sense because all of the money that you put towards credit could also be used to improve the infrastructure. So there is a balance there, but also recognition of some of the difficult situations that, say, for example, there are low-income customers find themselves in when we have outages that may last three or four days.

Great. Thank you.

Your next question comes from Andrew Weisel with Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just to elaborate on the winter gas prices, you just talked about the hedged position for gas. What about the electric side? Can you remind us what tools you have? I think you have some hedging programs and access to storage. Is that right?

Well, for the electric side, we're primarily burning coal as our primary fuel source at this point in time, and also nuclear fuel. And those are well hedged at this point in time. And we burn a minimal amount of natural gas at this point. Now, when we bring on our combined cycle plant, we will be burning a significant amount more natural gas, and we'll look to hedge those products as well as that plant comes into service late 2022.

Okay, good. So also minimal risk to customer bills this winter. Yes. Next question is on the electric rate case filing coming up. I believe you're planning to file by year end. Remind us, will the $70 million tree trimming initiative be part of that, or will that be resolved before you file? And beyond that, should it be a pretty plain vanilla case, or are there any other unusual items to focus on?

Spender, we're planning to file the first quarter of next year, so it won't be the end of this year. And the tree trim matter will be resolved before that filing. Again, we will use a special accounting order to take, what I would say, capability from 2021 to roll into our tree trim program, and that will be sized anywhere from $70 to $90 million worldwide. And then, of course, the filing that we will make in the first quarter, early first quarter, could be primarily driven by the capital investment agenda that we have for the electric company, both our renewables agenda and our grid agenda.

Great. Thank you for clarifying that. Then just one quick bookkeeping question. The $70 million tree trim program, I believe that will be expense and included in operating results, not stripped out, right? And if so, would that be a fourth quarter item?

Dave? Yes, it would. Yeah, we'd be setting up a regulatory liability, and it would impact the fourth quarter as well.

Okay, so that's included in the updated 2021 guidance.

Yes, it's included in our guidance right now. And even with that 70 million, we're still really confident we're going to hit the number in the upper end of that.

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from Anthony Cravel with Mizzou. Your line is open.

Good morning, Jerry. Good morning, Gabe. Hey, Anthony. Good morning, Anthony. It just seems like yesterday when everyone was questioning Nexus, and now we're at $6 gas.

Yes, DTM is doing quite well in this environment, as we expected.

Hey, I just have one question, kind of a follow-up from one of the earlier questions. I mean, I think you talked about bill impact is minimal. It seems that DT has a strategy with nuclear plants, coal plants, gas plants, and the bill impact is minimal. Do you sense, though, that showing the strength of having the diversified portfolio, there may be a change in regulators supporting retiring coal earlier, given it's really mitigated the bill impact?

We haven't seen that yet, Anthony. But I would say one of the things that I hear a lot in the industry that we are also considering is to keep all our options open. Right. We've seen some significant reliability impacts by retiring baseload generation and replacing it with intermittent resources. Now, we love renewables. We obviously are a big investor, the largest investor in renewables in our state. But we also feel that reliability is paramount. So when we think about our coal plants and the conversion of those or retirement of those, we we really need to think carefully how and when we do it because the first thing our customers want is reliable power and affordable power and cleaner power. So all of those have to be balanced. So I would say keeping our options open to ensure that we have reliable power as we make this transition, is going to be extremely important. And you'll see that in our IRP. We will accelerate our coal retirements in our IRP that you'll see next fall, but you'll also see careful consideration on how that's done to ensure reliable power and affordable power and clean power to go with it.

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I'm looking forward to seeing you guys down at DEI. Yeah, I look forward to seeing you, too.

There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Norcia, I turn the call back over to you.

Well, thank you, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I'll just close by saying that we're feeling really good about the remainder of 2021, as you've heard, and also have developed a very strong position for 2022. I hope everyone has a great morning, stays healthy and safe, and I look forward to seeing all of you live at EEI in November. Thank you.

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