Equifax, Inc.

Greetings. Welcome to the second quarter 2025 earnings conference call for Equifax. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone today should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero from your telephone keypad. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the conference over to Trevor Burns, Senior Vice President, Head of Corporate Investor Relations. Thank you. You may now begin.

Thanks, and good morning. Welcome to today's conference call. I'm Trevor Burns. With me today are Mark Begor, Chief Executive Officer, and John Gamble, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded, and our recording will be available later today in the IR calendar section of the News and Events tab on our Investor Relations website. During the call, we will be making reference to certain materials They can also be found in the presentation section of the news and events tab at our IRO website. Also, we'll be making certain forward-looking statements, including third quarter and four-year 2025 guidance, as well as our long-term financial framework to help you understand Equifax and its business environment. These statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results that differ materially from our expectations. Certain misfactors that may impact our business are set forth in our filings with the SEC, including our 2024 Form 10-K and subsequent filings. We will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, and cash conversion, which will be adjusted for certain items that affect the comparability of our underlying operational performance. These non-GAAP measures are detailed in reconciliation tables, which are included with our earnings release and can be found in the financial results section of the financial info tab at our IR website. Now I'd like to turn it over to Mark.

Thanks, Trevor. Turning to slide four, Equifax had a very strong second quarter with revenue of $1.54 billion, up 8% in constant currency and 7% reported, nicely within our long-term framework and the highest ever quarterly revenue in Equifax's history. Revenue was $27 million above the midpoint of our April guidance, despite the weaker mortgage and hiring markets. The majority of the revenue outperformance was in U.S. mortgage, principally in USIS, from stronger pre-approval product growth and a slightly stronger market with hard credit inquiries down about 8.5%, but better than our expectations of down 11%. Non-mortgage was solid in all BU's without performance predominantly in workforce solutions with stronger performance in government and consumer lending. USIS had another quarter of solid non-mortgage growth as they are operating in a post cloud mode. FX negatively impacted revenue year to year by $6 million or about 40 basis points compared to last year. However, the US dollar weakened since we provided guidance in April benefiting second quarter revenue by $9 million or about 60 basis points relative to our April framework. Adjusted EPS of $2 a share was 10 cents above the midpoint of our April guidance range from operating leverage from stronger revenue growth and solid cost management with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 32.5%. During the second quarter, EWS had a strong performance with revenue up 8% led by verifier government and consumer lending, which were both up double digits and mortgage that was up 9%. And EWS had a strong 10% record growth in the quarter. USIS also had a strong performance in the quarter with revenue up 9%. USIS is gaining momentum post-cloud transformation with non-mortgage revenue growth of over 4% and a vitality index of 10%, their strongest vitality ever, and in line with our long-term vitality goal across Equifax of 10%. USIS's stronger focus on innovation and new products like the twin indicator sets them up well for the second half in 2026. Mortgage revenue was up 20% in the quarter, reflecting expected benefits from annual price increases principally related to credit scores and stronger than expected growth in preapproval products. In international, we saw broad-based 6% constant dollar revenue growth led by strength in Europe and Latin America. Revenue growth was slightly below our expectations due to overall economic weakness in Canada. The international team continues to deliver strong technology and product execution, completing customer migrations to our new cloud-based technology in the UK and Peru. We made strong progress in new products in the quarter, with an overall vitality for Equifax of 14%, which was 400 basis points above our long-term framework. EFX.ai is powering our new solutions, leveraging our scale and unique Equifax data in our single data fabric. We have our new twin indicator mortgage credit solution in market and are on track to launch auto and P loan products powered by twin later in 2025. And these will combine credit alternative data in twin income indicators into a single solution. Based on our strong first craft NPI performance, we're increasing our vitality outlook for 2025 from 11% to 12%, which sets us up well for the second half and for 2026. And in the quarter, we repurchased $127 million in shares under our new $3 billion share repurchase program. The Equifax team is executing very well, leveraging our new cloud capabilities to drive NPIs and growth. Given the uncertainties in the economy, inflation and tariffs, we're holding our full year constant currency framework from April even with the strong first half performance, but we are increasing our reported full year revenue guidance by $35 million and adjusted EPS by 3 cents a share for the impact of FX. John will share more details on our third quarter and full year guidance shortly. Turning to slide five, workforce solutions revenue was up 8% in the quarter, driven by strong 10% verifier revenue growth. Government revenue grew 14% in the quarter, and up 12 percentage points sequentially due to the ramp in SSA volumes and growth in state and agency penetration, twin record growth, and pricing. The new SSA amendment with an annual contract value of about $50 million allows the Social Security Administration to continue ramping the use of a twin solution that delivers monthly income and employment information for recertification of eligibility for individuals currently receiving disability benefits from the Social Security Administration. Talent Solutions revenue was up about 4% in the quarter and was consistent with our expectations. Overall U.S. hiring, and particularly white-collaring hiring, continued to be relatively weak in the second quarter, with overall BLS data up only slightly in April and May compared to last year. Underlying talent employment verification revenue was up low double digits in the second quarter, driven by new records, new products, penetration, and pricing. This was partially offset by Insights revenue related to criminal background screening that was below our expectations, principally rated to share shifts between background screeners. Overall talent revenue showed strong growth sequentially from the first quarter. However, we have seen hiring transactions slow over the past month from economic uncertainty, impacting both talent solutions and our employer onboarding businesses. Mortgage revenue was up a strong 9% in the quarter, despite the continued weakness in mortgage volumes. EWS mortgage revenue continues to benefit from record growth and pricing. Consumer lending revenue in EWS was up a very strong 19% in the quarter, with double-digit revenue growth in key loans and card, as well as high single-digit revenue growth in auto from continued strong growth in records, new products, penetration, and pricing. Keyloans saw particularly strong growth from increases in large customer volumes. Employer services revenue was down 2% in the quarter, consistent with our expectations, with I-9 and onboarding revenue still negatively impacted by the weaker hiring market. Workforce solutions adjusted EBITDA margins of 53.3% were up 50 basis points compared to last year. Margins were better than our expectations, driven by both higher than expected revenue growth, and solid cost management. Turning to slide five, we continue to engage in Washington around the new administration's focus on the estimated $160 billion of improper social service and tax payments, which is a positive macro for EWS. A couple of weeks ago, the President signed the new OBBBA legislation that provides several potential future growth opportunities for the EWS government business, including increasing the frequency of CMS redeterminations from annually to semi-annually, adding community engagement or work requirements for certain Medicaid recipients, and in SNAP, tying federal funding to error rates and enforcing work requirements. These changes are all positives for our EWS government business. We're continuing to ramp up our engagement in Washington in order to support new federal government programs, including the IRS Earned Income Tax Credit that do not pay portable unemployment insurance and Department of Education. We expect these new programs to be potential positive growth for Equifax in the future. We also continue to have opportunities to expand twin utilization at the state agency level as states implement stronger verification requirements aligned with these new government requirements. This includes our new workforce solutions integrated complete income solution that will support state's ability to validate income through the work number and validate other sources of income, such as gig work, self-employed wages, and non-durn income through consumer permission bank transaction data. We're launching this new solution in the third quarter and are working with multiple states on evaluation and implementation. While we have significant opportunities for the medium and long-term government revenue growth in supporting federal and state programs, the pace and extent of changes in federal program structure and funding from the prior administration is resulting in some continued near-term volatility as agencies at the state level manage these funding changes on their operations. As a result, we expect our government revenue growth in the second half to be consistent with the first half. We are working closely with our state customers as they operationalize the 2024 funding changes and remain confident in our medium and long-term EWS government revenue growth framework at above the EWS long-term revenue growth framework of 13 to 15% as we grow into the large $5 billion government can. Turning to slide seven, twin record additions were strong again in the second quarter with active records up about 18 million or 10% over last year to 198 million, and total records were up 10% to 767 million records. Underlying those 18 million active record additions, EWS added about 1.3 million contributing companies in the past 12 months to 4.6 million companies contributing to TWIN, an outstanding performance by the team, which would not have been possible without the Equifax cloud. We've also added four new partnerships this year, which is on top of the 10 added in the second half of last year, and expect those new agreements to contribute to record growth in the second half of 2025. At our investor day a few weeks ago, we shared a metric we've been using internally for several years, current records, which is defined as the number of people in TWIN that have been paid within the last 35 days. This metric more closely aligns with how we monetize TWIN records. EWS ended the quarter with 113 million current records, which was up 9%. Our 100 million current SSNs, which was up 8%, are a great indicator of the long runway for twin growth to 250 million income-producing Americans. Turning to slide 8, USIS had a very strong quarter with revenue up 9% and much better than our expectations, principally led by mortgage revenues. Non-mortgage revenue was up over 4% in the quarter and also slightly above or slightly better than our expectations. Mortgage revenue in the quarter was up a very strong 20%, principally from third-party vendor pricing and stronger pre-approval revenue, and despite the about 8.5% decline in USIS hard mortgage inquiries. USIS is gaining share in pre-qual and pre-approval products, which we expect to accelerate in the second half, as we roll out our new mortgage credit file with the twin indicator. USIS has seen very strong interest in their new mortgage pre-approval and pre-qual solutions that include the twin income and employment information. We are supportive of the FHFA's recent announcement to support access to housing by maintaining the use of the tri-merge credit report. We are committed to helping expand consumer's access to credit and helping lenders mitigate risk through data-driven decision making. We have a long history of collaborating and supporting mortgage industry initiatives and applaud the FHFA's recent decision. B2B non-mortgage revenue grew about 4% in the quarter as we continued to see a stable lending environment, although continuing at the levels below longer-term norms. We saw high single-digit growth in auto and low single-digit revenue growth in FI. All other B2B verticals and aggregate were up low single digits. Financial marketing services, our B2B offline business, was up 6% in the quarter, and we saw broad-based growth across all offline segments with strong double-digit revenue growth in pre-screen marketing. We have not seen an increase in portfolio review spending that would be indicative of increased risk management activity in a weaker economic environment. Consumer solutions revenue remains strong at 8%. USIS adjusted EBITDA margins at 35%. We're consistent with our expectation and up about 180 basis points compared to last year. We're seeing the benefits of cost savings from our cloud migration, which we completed in the second half of last year, as well as operating leverage from revenue growth in the quarter. The acceleration in USIS NPI vitality to 10% and in line with our long-term goal is a clear indication of the benefits of our new cloud infrastructure and the team's ability in USIS to fully focus on leveraging our technology and product advantages to better serve our customers and drive growth through innovation and new products. Turning to slide nine, international revenue was up 6% in constant currency and broad-based revenue growth across all regions. Strong 11% Latin American revenue growth was led by very strong growth in Argentina and Brazil. The Boa Vista business is performing very well up 8% in the first half versus last year as we bring new Equifax platforms like Ignite, Interconnect, and the Equifax Data Fabric to Boa Vista and engage our Brazilian customers with new models and scores built using EFX.ai. Europe growth rates improved nicely in the quarter at up 6% and Asia Pacific performed well at up 4%. Canada's growth of 1% continues to be impacted by weaker economic conditions. International adjusted EBIT margins of 26.4% were up about 80 basis points versus last year from revenue growth and cost improvements from our cloud migrations. Turning to slide 10, in the second quarter, we delivered a vitality index of 14%, with over 100 new products launched in the first half, led by double-digit vitality in all business units, led by workforce solutions vitality at 18%. As mentioned earlier, based on our strong NPI performance in the first half, we're increasing our vitality outlook for 2025 by 100 basis points to 12%, which is 200 basis points above our 10% long-term goal and double our pre-cloud vitality index. We're energized by our post-cloud completion momentum in innovation and new products. One of the cornerstones of our NPI program is developing multi-data solutions using our EFX cloud EFX.AI, and scale proprietary data assets. These only Equifax solutions provide greater value for our customers and will deliver revenue growth for Equifax. The ability to deliver information to our customers from the work number alongside a credit report provides value only Equifax can deliver. Our new mortgage pre-qual credit file solution with a twin indicator differentiates our credit file with incremental data including work status, employer name, and potentially some levels of historic income. This unique solution will help lenders optimize their marketing processes and deliver more certainty around how they can automate consumer loan underwriting. We are seeing strong interest from the mortgage market as lenders begin to integrate the twin indicator into their workflows, and we expect to launch similar twin indicator solutions in auto and P-Loan in the second half of this year. And as a reminder, we plan to deliver the twin indicator alongside our credit file at no incremental cost in order to differentiate our credit file and drive incremental growth and share gains. And now I'd like to turn it over to John to provide more detail on our 2025 guidance and third quarter framework.

Thanks, Mark. Turning to slide 11, as Mark referenced, hard mortgage credit inquiries were somewhat better in the second quarter than we had expected. However, they continued to decline year to year in the second quarter at down about 8.5% and were down about 9% for the first half of 25. 30-year mortgage rates remained consistently above 6.7% during the quarter, housing prices remain high, and inventories of available homes remain at low levels. These factors have kept both home purchase and refinance activity at historically low levels with total hard credit inquiries down over 50% from 2015 to 19 averages. Based on run rates from mortgage hard credit inquiries over the latter part of the second quarter and continuing volatility in both mortgage rates and volumes, our mortgage hard credit inquiry expectation included in guidance for second half 25 is down over 13%, generally consistent with levels we shared in April. As we discussed last quarter, Although current home mortgage activity is low, based on Equifax data, we believe there are almost 13 million 30-year mortgages issued since 2022 with an interest rate above 6% and about 9 million with an interest rate above 6.5%. This creates a growing pool of mortgages available to refinance when mortgage rates decline. As Mark indicated, we are holding our full year 2025 guidance shown on slide 12 on a constant currency basis to be unchanged from our April guidance. Even with our strong 2Q performance, there continues to be a heightened level of economic uncertainty, continuing to result in weaker levels of hiring, as well as uncertainty in the direction of interest rates and therefore mortgage volumes. We increased our guidance to reflect the impact of FX changes since April, increasing the midpoint of our reported revenue guidance by $35 million to about $6 billion and adjusted EPS by 3 cents per share to $7.48 per share. Consistent with our April guidance, non-mortgage constant dollar revenue growth at the midpoint of guidance is expected to be about 6% and over 6% for mortgage due to stronger 2Q mortgage results. FX is about 30 basis points negative to revenue growth. At the business unit level, workforce solutions revenue growth in 2025 is expected to be about 5%, down from 7% in our April guidance. EWS delivered revenue growth of just over 5% in first half 25, and we expect second half 25 growth to be slightly below those levels. Second half verifier non-mortgage revenue growth is expected to be slightly below the 8% we saw in the first half of 25. Revenue growth in both talent and government in the second half are expected to be slightly below the levels we saw in the first half of 25 due to the weaker hiring trends and the near term government volatility that Mark discussed. Second half 25 employer revenue should be down slightly year to year. EWS mortgage revenue, based on the slower run rates we have seen over the last several weeks, and consistent with the market expectation for USIS hard credit inquiries should show limited growth in second half 25 at a much slower pace than the about 6% we saw in the first half. EWS EBITDA margins in 2025 are expected to be about 51%, up 50 basis points from our April guidance despite the lower revenue guidance, reflecting strong cost management and to a lesser extent favorable mix. USIS revenue growth in 2025 is expected to be about 7%, much stronger than our April guidance. We expect mortgage revenue to grow about 13% up from our April guidance as the stronger performance in pre-approval solutions we saw in the first half of 25 continues through the second half of 25 and fiscal year 25 benefits from the better levels of hard inquiries we saw in the first half. As I referenced earlier, our second half 25 mortgage hard inquiry expectation at down over 13% is generally consistent with the levels we shared in April. Reflecting this, mortgage revenue growth in the second half of 25 is expected to be about 10%, about 500 basis points weaker than we saw in the first half of 25. Non-mortgage revenue is expected to grow over 4.5%, up about 50 basis points from our April guidance, with the second half growth slightly lower than the first half, given uncertainty around the economy and interest rates. USIS EBITDA margins are expected to be about 35.5%, up about 100 basis points year to year. We expect 2025 international constant currency revenue growth to remain about 7%, consistent with our April guidance. We expect second half revenue growth to be just over 7%, compared to the 6.4% we delivered in the first half. We expect to see strengthening growth in Canada as they begin to benefit from cloud infrastructure, which they fully migrated to in the fourth quarter of last year, as well as improving growth trends in Europe and Asia Pacific. EBITDA margins are expected to be about 28.5%, up about 100 basis points from 2024. I also want to briefly discuss 2Q25 corporate expense which had $152 million was about $7 million above the guidance we shared in April. This increase was principally driven by higher consumer litigation costs, which are generally related to resolving single plaintiff litigation cases and other litigation costs, as well as certain non-recurring costs. We expect higher levels of litigation costs will also impact 3Q and 4Q. As a result, we expect full year corporate costs to be about $590 million up from our April guidance. These higher corporate costs will be partially offset by lower interest in other expense and a lower tax rate of about 26.5% down from 26.75% in our April guidance. The increase in corporate costs in 2025 versus 2024 is due to higher litigation costs, higher variable compensation, higher depreciation and amortization, and certain non-recurring costs incurred in 2025. Adjusted EBITDA margins are expected to be about flat versus 2024. This is down from our guidance in April, principally reflecting the impact of FX and the increase in corporate expenses related to litigation, partially offset by the increase in EWS margins. Slide 13 provides the details of our 3Q25 guidance. In 3Q25, we expect total Equifax revenue to be up over 5% on a constant dollar basis year to year at the midpoint, with minimal impact from FX. As a reminder, the third quarter has a very difficult comparison against 3Q24, which had 10% organic constant dollar revenue growth, one of our strongest quarters in the last couple of years, led by 19% verifier non-mortgage revenue growth. Adjusted EPS in 3Q25 is expected to be $1.87 to $1.97 per share, up over 3.5% versus 3Q24 at the midpoint. Equifax 3Q25 adjusted EBITDA margins are expected to be about 32.5% at the midpoint of our guidance, down slightly from 3Q24. Adjusted EBITDA margins at the BU level are up year to year, driven by solid margin increases in USIS and international. The increased view margins are offset by higher corporate costs, principally the higher litigation I discussed earlier. Business unit performance in the third quarter is expected to be as follows. Workforce solutions revenue growth is expected to be up over 3.5% year to year. Verification services revenue growth is expected to be about 4.5%. Mortgage revenue is expected to be up about low single digit percent with the growth in records and pricing offset by the expected continued mortgage market decline. Verifier non-mortgage revenue is expected to be up over 5.5%, again, against a very difficult comp. Talent revenue is expected to be up at levels consistent with or slightly above the second quarter year-to-year growth rates, reflecting continued weak overall US hiring. Government revenue is expected to be up mid-single digits reflecting the near-term headwinds Mark discussed earlier. EWS EBITDA margins are expected to be above 51% and down slightly year to year. USIS revenue is expected to be up about 7% year to year. Mortgage revenue is expected to be up about mid-teens percent, and non-mortgage revenue is expected to be up about 4%. Mortgage revenue growth is still being impacted by significant declines in USIS hard inquiries which are being more than offset principally by third-party vendor pricing actions, as well as strengthening revenue and pre-approval and pre-qualification products. USIS adjusted EBITDA margins are expected to be up about 130 basis points year to year at about 35.25%, again reflecting the benefits from USIS decommissioned legacy systems and revenue growth. International revenue is expected to be up about 7% in constant currency. Adjusted EBITDA margins are expected to be up about 180 basis points year to year at about 29.5% in 3Q25. Our guidance assumes economic and market conditions do not change meaningfully from current levels. U.S. interest rates at levels also about consistent with current levels and reflects the uncertainty in global economies and U.S. interest rates both in direction and volatility. Turning to slide 14, in April, we laid out our new capital allocation framework with a $3 billion share repurchase program and a 28% increase in our quarterly dividend to 50 cents per share. During the second quarter, we returned about $190 million to shareholders, repurchasing about 480,000 shares for $127 million and paying dividends of $62 million. As we complete the Equifax Cloud, we are accelerating free cash flow while lowering the capital intensity of our business. 2Q25 free cash flow was solid at $239 million, up over $100 million from 2Q24, driven by increased income and lower capital spending. We expect to generate over $900 million of free cash flow in 2025, with a cash conversion of over 95%, which aligns with our long-term framework. We are energized to be entering this new phase of Equifax as we return cash to shareholders. Now I'd like to turn it back over to Mark.

Thanks, John. Turning to slide 15, at our June Investor Day a few weeks ago, we reconfirmed our 7% to 10% long-term organic growth framework and provided a 2030 Equifax financial scenario that included a base case where the mortgage market grows about 2% to 3% annually in line with long-term GDP growth. with U.S. mortgage pricing growing at mid-single digits. As we discussed at our investor day, this is not guidance, but a scenario showing how Equifax can deliver our long-term financial framework without a recovery in the U.S. mortgage market and without outsized pricing increases in mortgage scores. This scenario reflects organic revenue growth at an 8.5% CAGR, with revenue growing to about $9.6 billion in 2030, EBITDA margins exceeding 35% and adjusted EPS of about $15 per share. In this scenario, Equifax would return about $2.5 billion to shareholders in 2030. Adjusting this scenario to reflect the mortgage market recovering the 2015 to 19 average volume levels by 2030 as measured by hard credit inquiries at current pricing records and penetration, 2030 revenue would grow to about $10.8 billion or an 11% CAGR with an adjusted EPS of about $19 a share, and Equifax would return an incremental billion dollars or $3.5 billion to shareholders in 2030. To clarify, the 2030 mortgage market recovery scenario assumes current mortgage pricing, products, share, and records with no growth from 2025 levels which is clearly a conservative assumption. As we've shared consistently, we are investing at the right levels in Equifax and any mortgage market recovery will drop through to margin and EPS growth for return to shareholders via dividend growth and increased buybacks. We believe Equifax can deliver our long-term financial framework without a mortgage market recovery with significant potential upside when that mortgage market recovery improves. Wrapping up on slide 16, we had a strong first half financial performance with organic constant dollar revenue growth of 7%, led by strong 8% EWS verifier and 8% USIS revenue growth, despite the weaker mortgage and hiring markets. Both first and second quarters were above our expectations and guidance, reflecting the resilience of the new Equifax business model, even in a declining mortgage market and uncertain economy. As we've outlined, we felt it was prudent to hold guidance in the second half, even with our strong first half performance, given the high uncertainty from tariffs on inflation, rates, and economic growth. Our strong free cash flow generation and the strength of our balance sheet positions us well to return cash to shareholders. In the second quarter, we returned about $190 million to shareholders through share purchases and increased dividend, and we expect to continue to repurchase shares in the second half of the year. We're entering the next chapter of the new Equifax with our cloud transformation substantially behind us as we pivot our entire team to leveraging the Equifax cloud for innovation, new products, and growth. We're using our new cloud capabilities, single data fabric, EFX.AI, and Ignite and our analytics platform to develop new credit solutions, leveraging our scale and unique data assets. We're accelerating multi-data asset solutions, including those that combine traditional credit alternative credit assets, and twin income and employment indicators in verticals like mortgage, auto, and P loan that only Equifax can deliver that will drive share gains and growth. I'm energized by our strong first half performance, but even more energized about the next chapter of the new Equifax. This is an exciting time to be at the new Equifax. And with that, operator, let me open it up for questions.

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. To ask a question at this time, you may press star 1 from your telephone keypad and the confirmation tone indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Thank you. And our first question is from the line of Jeff Miller with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, thank you. Can you give some more perspective on the twin state agency headwinds? Is this more headwinds tied to the programs that are impacted by the federal government data expense subsidization changes, or is it something else? And just any reason why now mid-calendar year there's incremental headwinds?

Yeah, Jeff, that is the challenge that we're still feeling from the changes the Biden administration made in 2024. around some of the data reimbursements we've talked about that probably now for three or four quarters and it's a it's a little bit dynamic as the states are dealing uh we're dealing with states that have kind of contract timing that are happen throughout the year and you know some states are able to sort through it with their budgets and funding it on their own others just taking longer to get that sorted out um so you know that's some of the pressures we're seeing in that business in the very near term. We talked a bunch about, you know, kind of the momentum that we have, I would call it over the more medium term. You know, for example, some of the waivers that were put in place by the prior administration are now expiring as we speak, meaning in the middle of 2025. They were done by the Biden administration and they have to go back to the more stringent, you know, requirements. So we're seeing momentum in commercial discussions there, which, you know, we hope will be fruitful in the second half, but obviously those aren't contracted yet. And then the other thing that obviously is a positive as we think about, you know, later in the year, but more in 2026, is the new OBVBA bill that is in place and some of the changes that are taking place. We're already having extensive dialogues at the state level, you know, around actions they've got to start putting in place when those requirements take hold later next year and into 2027, whether it's work requirements or the, you know, six-month, 12-month redeterminations. And there are some states that are putting in work requirements already, meaning in advance of that, which they're able to do because, as you know, they're on the hook for some of those social service payments. So we're seeing some increased activity there. But the impact in the second half for sure is around still absorbing the changes that took place in the prior administration around cost sharing and just working through state budgets, which are very complicated.

And then on what's driving the, what are the new mortgage prequal products that are already driving strength or share in the quarter? I ask because it sounds like the twin indicator product is still pretty early ramping. And then any other call outs that's leading to the step up in uses vitality? Thank you.

Yeah. So, you know, we've been in the marketplace with the twin indicator now for, you know, call it six months of discussions. You know, we've got it. embedded with some of the aggregators. So it's, you know, available. The discussions are super positive on it. You know, there isn't a single mortgage originator that isn't, you know, interested in the solution. And I think that's, you know, helping us commercially, you know, until they can adopt that new solution. It's just helping us commercially win some share in that pre-qual, pre-approval stage, you know, where customers might be doing a 1B or a 2B pull instead of a 3B. because of our innovation and our kind of close relationships now, because we're talking about the new solution with the twin indicator. And as a reminder, we're also adding NC Plus attributes, you know, telco, cell phone utility telco attributes to our mortgage credit file. And I think that's just helping us, you know, from a share perspective. As you point out, we really expect the twin indicator to, you know, take hold as we get into the second half in 2026. You have to change you know, the process flow inside of a mortgage originator in order to absorb it. But, you know, just as a reminder, and as I said earlier on the call, you know, our intention is to offer that twin indicator as a differentiator for our mortgage credit file in order to drive, you know, more value in the Equifax credit file with that twin indicator to drive, you know, share gains. I mean, we're not going to charge a higher price for it. We want to use it to differentiate in that, you know, kind of pre- application stage when there is many originators that are doing one or two B-Pulse?

And generally on NPI and USIS, I think we're just seeing more traction on multi-data solutions, right? They're being more effective at delivering more multi-data solutions. It's occurring in commercial, it's occurring in our consumer businesses, and they're also seeing more traction on helping customers use Ignite around marketing and advanced marketing solutions and analytics. So I think Generally, what we have been talking about for a long time where we can deliver more data more quickly through standard pipes is occurring and the team is seeing growth.

Okay.

Thank you.

The next question is from the line of Andrew Steinerman with J.P. Morgan. Please receive your questions.

Hi. Two questions. First one is just what is mortgage revenues as a percentage of total revenues in the second quarter just reported? And then looking at the beginning of this third quarter that we're in right now for USIS, what are you seeing in terms of non-mortgage lender and consumer credit activity?

So to the first question, it's 22% flat. And in terms of non-mortgage, I think what we're seeing right now is it's continuing to be relatively good like we saw in June, right? Generally speaking, what we're seeing is Auto has remained relatively strong, and it's continuing to perform pretty well. I think FI strengthened a bit. We expect FI to be stronger in the third quarter, sorry, than we saw in the second quarter. Second quarter growth rate was down a little bit in FI, but that was simply a grow over. We have very good sequential performance in FI in the second quarter, and we're expecting to see nice growth in the third. And then broadly speaking, I think we're expecting the other businesses, which aren't as large, to also continue to perform relatively well with some improvements across commercial and some of our payment spaces. So generally speaking, I think we're expecting third quarter to look okay. Good. Thanks, John.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Manav Patniak with Barclays. Please proceed with your questions.

All right. Thank you. Good morning. I just wanted to revisit the government business again. Maybe it's a question just more on the visibility and assumptions there for the second half of the year. Because in the last several years, I guess you have assumed the ramp in the second half and you've always had to lower it. But this time around, it felt like you had more visibility. So I'm just wondering what What exactly changed? Was there like a state that you had to cancel or had to step out because of budget reasons? Or is this just a little bit of all your different states?

Yeah, it's not a single state. And it's really, I don't know if you heard the question earlier that Jeff asked, but similar to that, it's a bit dynamic and it's quite challenging from what the changes that were made last year in the prior administration around the cost sharing between the federal government and the state government. And you know, these are different contractual periods. When we get to that, you know, end of the contractual period, you know, we don't always know how a state's going to respond, you know, what impacts they're going to have from a budget standpoint. I think you read enough to know that, you know, most states are quite challenged around their budgets, meaning they're in deficit positions, you know, so that creates an impact when they have to come up with additional dollars. And, you know, we've solved that in lots of states. We're solving it in others. And, you know, as we handicapped our outlook in the second half, we thought it was prudent to, you know, put handicaps, you know, as far as where we think some of those discussions are going to land that are still in flux in the second half, you know, in a way that, you know, we thought was prudent, you know, as we look forward. You know, that we still see, you know, lots of positives, but the timing of those, whether they're going to hit in the second half or, you know, likely more in 2026, you know, for example, the waivers that were in place, the COVID waivers that were extended by the Biden administration through the end of June, you know, have all come off. That's created a lot of dialogues with states that now have to respond with more stringent income verification requirements. That's good news for EWS. So, you know, we expect that to be a positive, but, you know, when those come in, when they have budget dollars, because they have to pay for more of it, you know, we handicap that in there. And as I mentioned earlier, you know, the new changes in Washington, you know, really strengthening The verification requirements at application and then strengthening the redetermination requirements, meaning every six months, and then adding the work requirement. Those are all going to be positives, which we're in dialogue on all three of those at the state level as far as implementation, principally in 26. But that's why we still have a lot of confidence in the growth in this vertical as we go into 26 and beyond, and particularly in this current administration's focus around the $160 billion of improper payments, we're just dealing with, you know, kind of the aftermath of what was done in the prior administration. So we got to work through that in the second half.

Okay. And then, you know, just on the talent segment on the criminal data, I think you mentioned something around share shifts between background screeners. I was hoping you could just elaborate on that and also, you know, what the alternative is to APRIS, I guess?

Yes. So, we deliver court records, right? And the alternative is to get court records through another source. One of the customers that we have a large relationship with happened to lose one of their large customers and they went to someone else where that background screener doesn't happen to use Equifax for court records. And that's all it was. So, So it's a revenue impact, but it's not really a material operating profit impact. Obviously, obtaining court records directly from a court, this is the more manual process, is something that is relatively low margin for us. It's a business that we certainly want to grow, but it's not a strategic business for us, and it's one that we'll continue to invest in, but not one that we consider as important as TWIN, for example.

And just remember, in the Aperis Insights business, the core business we have is the data set we have on all incarceration records that are used as that indicator. It's the first stop in a background check. And that's when we have a very strong business and we continue to grow that. As John pointed out, the second step that takes place when you find out someone has been historically incarcerated is there's a verification of that actual court record. We do some of that. Some background screeners do that on their own. There are some other competitors that only do that step of the process. And as John pointed out, you know, that's a lower margin. In many cases, it's actually a manual operation. In some cases, it's digital. Some states have a digital portal to get those court records where you pay for them. But many states and many courts, you actually have to send in what's called a court runner to actually go in and pull the documents. So that's a lower margin business. And we just saw a little bit of change there.

Okay.

Thank you. The next questions are from the line of Tony Kaplan with Mortgage Family. Please proceed with your questions.

Thanks so much. I was hoping you could talk about Vantage Score and what you're expecting in terms of price competition in the mortgage market. Are you expecting Vantage Score to be priced at a level that could lead to share gains versus FICO? Thanks.

Yeah, I think it's early, Tony, on that whole point. As I said earlier in my comments, we're very pleased with the Director Pulte's support of TriMerge because we think that provides access to credit. And I think it's the right approach to have really strong underwriting because of the differences between the three credit files. How the Vantage or FICO is going to unfold is certainly going to take time. That's a kind of a complex change for the industry. It's one that, you know, will certainly take time. As you know, we have access to the Vantage score as do TU and Experian as a part of our, you know, joint venture. That's a score that we have, you know, full access to, meaning, you know, we don't have any cogs when we use that. So, you know, we'll certainly work with our customers, you know, around that as an option. And I think those conversations, while very new, you know, will unfold as we go through the second half of the year.

Perfect. And I wanted to ask also, John, about the EBITDA margin, you know, raised your revenue but lowered EBITDA a touch on the margin side. Is that from investing or is there a mix element there? I just wanted to hear all the drivers' things.

Sure. So for a full year margin, for a full year guidance, again, the increase in guidance were really principally related to FX, right? So revenue went up about $35 million and and EPS about $0.03 a share. So I think the reason why our EBITDA margins fell a bit, one is just FX is generally positive. FX is obviously very beneficial to our revenue, but it's a little dilutive to our margins based on the numbers that I just shared. And then also we're seeing some higher corporate expenses, and it's specifically related to those litigation costs, and then also some one-time costs related to some employee exits that occurred in the second quarter. So those two items are driving the EBITDA margin down for the year. But BU margins are actually performing nicely. We're seeing very nice growth in USIS and the international margins in the second half. And as we talked about in the second quarter, we saw very good performance in EWS margins, and they remain nicely over 50%. So the reduction in our EBITDA margin in full-year guidance is really specifically related to to those corporate cost increases related to litigation and one-time actions, and then also FX.

Very clear. Thank you.

The next question is from the line of FISA with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Yes. Hi. Thank you. John, just to follow up on those litigation costs, can you give us a bit more color on what's going on there and if this is something that might continue into 2026?

Yeah, so it's effectively two significant portions. Some of it is just general litigation costs related to outstanding lawsuits that we're dealing with, some of which are public and they're generally disclosed in our financial filings. The other is the volume that we're seeing of small claims from individuals that come into Equifax and quite honestly come into all three bureaus. And what we're seeing is just a higher volume of those, we believe, across the industry. So there's a cost to obviously settling or resolving those cases, and we're seeing that that cost has gone up in 2025 relative to 2024, actually more than we expected. And that's a cost probably that we're going to work to try to manage effectively, but that's a cost that probably is going to remain high for a little bit of time. Some of the costs related to larger, some of the larger cases that I referenced, those costs we may be able to mitigate as we go forward. But in terms of some of the costs related to the small claims and the smaller consumer cases, those will probably see elevated levels, certainly through the second half, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks.

All right. Understood. And then I wanted to follow up on the talent business. You mentioned slightly weaker talent market. So I'm curious if you could give us a bit more color on that. you know, some of the trends, like when did things start getting worse? And it sounds like you're not assuming an improvement there. So maybe just a finer point on how much of the, um, you know, lowered guidance on talent is related to the criminal data that you talked about versus the market. And also if that is what is driving the lower guide on employer services.

Yeah, we've definitely seen, um, you know, through our customers being the background screeners continued, know corporate confidence nervousness you know companies we we see you know are still being cautious around what's going to happen with the tariffs what's going to happen with inflation what's going to happen with the economy um so are being cautious around new hires and that's not new you know that's really been in place you know for the last you know six plus months and you know we saw maybe a slight weakening i think in june you know as far as a you know new hire activity perhaps when, you know, there was a renewed discussion around tariffs, you know, as we got into kind of the middle of June. My personal view is that corporate confidence, you know, is going to continue to be shaky, you know, until there's some clarity on, you know, a path towards closure of the tariff issue, you know, because of its broad, you know, ranging impact. You saw this morning, you know, General Motors announcement and Stellantis's jeep manufacturer having huge impacts you know from uh tariffs and a financial standpoint you know companies like that you know i'm sure have very tight hiring you know in place you know when they're having those kind of hits from uh raw material costs and and so on so i think until that's sorted out you know we expect to see certainly in the second half that's reflected in our guide a continued you know kind of softer hiring environment there's still a lot of job changes take place that's just the reality of the U.S., you know, kind of workforce economy. But there's just, you know, a dampening of that that, you know, has an impact on our rep.

Great. Thank you.

The next questions are from the line of Ashish Subhadra with RBC Capital Markets. Please receive your questions.

Thank you for taking my question. I have a two-part question on the USIS non-mortgage. One was on autos. We've seen some pretty strong growth there in the first half. Some of it is FICO pricing, but we were wondering if you have also seen any pull forward there, or have you seen any slowdown on the auto front? And then the second part is just around the offline business. Again, we've seen some good momentum there in the first half, what's driving it, and how do we think about B2B offline going forward in the second half? Thanks.

Now, auto's performed nicely in both the first quarter and the second quarter, and it's continuing to perform relatively nicely. Yes, some of it's pricing, but overall, we think we're performing relatively well, and we're happy with how auto's performed in the first half, and we expect to see relatively good performance going forward. You've also seen offline or our batch businesses performed relatively well as well. We've seen good performance really across pre-screen and across marketing businesses. We've seen a little bit of also benefit across some of the The header data we sell into companies that provide fraud and other types of services as well. So those businesses have been relatively good. We haven't seen a substantial increase in account reviews, which would generally be an indication that you're starting to go into a weakening economy, or at least that our customers believe they are because they're ramping up account reviews. We've seen some growth there, but not really material. So overall... Quite honestly, this is also an area where we're seeing some of the benefits from NPI. Some of the newer solutions that are being launched are benefiting this line item in our P&L and our marketing business. So we're seeing some benefit there as well, and that we would expect to continue.

That's very helpful, Khaled. Thank you.

Our next questions are from the line of Owen Lau with Oppenheimer. Please receive their questions.

Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. So going back to Vantage Score, Mark, I understand that it may be too early to talk about the pricing, but what's the goal for Vantage Score longer term? I mean, if you have an opportunity to make a push, would you push for higher market shares? Thanks.

Yeah, you know, this is not new. Vantage is, I don't know, 20 plus years old, maybe it's 30. It's been around for a long time. And, you know, we, Equifax, have been taking that to market along with Equifax Scores. you know, to help support our customers. And we've been working to grow that and we'll continue to do that, not only in mortgage, but, you know, in all verticals. That's a part of our approach to market. You know, it's very clear that that's, in some places, it's a tough sell. That has to be a catalyst, you know, in order to create that kind of change, you know, from traditionally the vast majority of the industry uses the FICO score for the reasons of longevity and the depth of that score, you know, from its history. But, you know, we're always in the marketplace trying to support our customers, you know, with solutions that, you know, help them. But I just think it takes time to display something that's embedded as deeply as the FICO score is.

Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe quickly on consumer lending, it was pretty strong, up 19% yield for the year in the second quarter. up from 11% last quarter and Pilon was very strong. Could you please give us more details on that strength and also the sustainability? Thanks a lot.

Yeah, I think you're referring to EWS, you know, consumer lending, and we were pleased with some of the penetration, new products and, you know, new customers that we're adding there. That's just really taking advantage of that income and employment data, you know, principally in personal loans, you know, where there's a verification done of both credit you know, as well as income and employment because of the larger ticket nature of that, meaning they're $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 unsecured loans. So there's additional underwriting there. That's really been, you know, the driver which we're pleased with.

This is an area where record growth is really, really helpful, right? As we continue to build out the record base, then more and more customers and consumer lending want to use the work number. Thanks a lot.

Our next question is from the line of Andrew Nicholas with William Blair. Please proceed with your questions.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First one was just on the international business broadly. In the U.S., you kind of characterized the consumer backdrop as stable but subdued relative to historical trends. I'm just curious, in your major international markets, would you describe kind of the status quo there as similar or

know where would it be maybe running above or below averages compared to maybe what you would expect over a full cycle yeah broadly it's quite similar um you know as you know we see stronger growth in latin america just because the dynamics of that consumer base there's just a lot of unbanked consumers in all latin american countries including brazil moving into the bank sector so that's why you know, we expect Latin America, and it's been performing that way, to be at the, you know, higher end of that seven to nine range for international. Canada has clearly been impacted by the tariff discussions in 2025. You know, we've seen, you know, a slowdown in consumer confidence up there in really, you know, quite meaningful. You know, we were only up 1% in the quarter, which was clearly below our expectations. And, you know, we expect that to continue, I guess, because of the Maybe it's the neighborly rhetoric, but the rhetoric is so much stronger up there around the Trump tariffs and perhaps is more uncertain in that market. It clearly has had an impact economically, meaning less consumers buying cars, less consumers taking out a new credit card, just being kind of conservative in this uncertain timeframe. If you go around the rest of the globe into like Australia, which is a big market for us, UK, Spain, normal. There's nothing different that we would see there as far as what's impacting from an economic activity or consumer and corporate confidence.

Very helpful. Thank you. And then for my follow-up, just on the guidance broadly, obviously two really strong quarters to start the year above guidance on both of those. your decision to kind of maintain the full-year guy, I'm just curious, how much of that would you characterize as conservatism versus, you know, the macro deterioration maybe you've seen a little bit in talent or delays in the government business, if there's a way to kind of frame the different factors and what ultimately led you to maintain the full-year guy?

Yeah, I'll take a shot at that, and John could jump in. You know, there's a when you think about macros, you know, clearly the mortgage market is defined by us by hard inquiries was better than we expected in the second quarter, but that declined as we exited June and came into July, you know, so we've got back down to that, you know, kind of negative 12%, you know, mortgage market is we're running today. So that's what we guided out for the second half. So that's clearly an impact. The hiring market, you know, has been, weaker than we expected kind of going through the year. So that's clearly had an impact that we carried through in the second half. We talked about some of the state issues we're working through due to the prior administration's funding changes. So there's an element to that. And then I think broadly, there's enough uncertainty with what's happening with tariffs. I think the whole tariff narrative in Washington spooled up again, you know, kind of in late June and into July. And, you know, it's more topical now that it's unresolved and it just feels quite uncertain. You know, we've seen the impact on the 10 year. We've seen the impact on mortgage rates, you know, and then, you know, you see consumer confidence, which a few months ago was very weak. Now it's a little bit better. But, you know, we don't have a new read on, you know, how consumers feel about this latest tariff discussion. To me, the big variable is when are corporations in the United States and around the globe going to have some clarity around what the new tariff game is? And I think until that happens, there's going to be enough uncertainty that we wanted to be prudent. We wanted to be balanced. You used the word conservative. I don't know if I'd necessarily use that. I'd use the term balanced. But our intention was to be balanced in our guidance for the second half, given the uncertainty that we've seen. You know, we're super pleased with our first and second quarter performance, and you should be, too. I think you are. And hopefully, you know, you appreciate that we're intending to provide guidance that is balanced around everything we know and, you know, factoring in enough of the uncertainties, which I just rattled on about, that, you know, are still out there that are unresolved principally in my eyes and our eyes around, you know, what's going to happen with tariffs, how that's going to impact interest rates, how that's going to impact the economy.

know in the second half we want to be balanced on that only thing i'd add is it's it's uncertainty and it's also volatility we've seen lots of meaningful movements and the level of mortgage activity even within a quarter right we saw increases in mortgage activity early in the quarter and then substantial decreases and lots of lots of lots of movement as we went through periods and so it so certainly direction is uncertain And it's also very volatile, so your ability to put a band around it becomes more difficult. So that's really why we decided to be what we believe is prudent, but probably also conservative in terms of the way we got it.

Thanks, Mark. Thanks, John.

Our next questions are from the line of Surrender Signed with Jefferies. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you. I'd like to start with the talent business and just kind of the big picture overall here. As you think about just hiring trends and generally how they've consistently been weaker for some time now, are there secular considerations here as we kind of, you know, the narrative of AI continues to kind of take hold in terms of hiring plans and especially within the white collar environment? How have you taken that into consideration as you think about the big picture here?

I think everything you just talked about is right. It starts with when corporations are nervous around the future, they tighten their belts. And the first place they tighten their belts is on hiring. They leave jobs open longer and they take time to fill them or they do hiring freezes. So I think there's clearly an element to that going on. I think your point on AI is also right on. I'm not sure there's a lot of near-term impact from AI on you know, certainly white collar jobs, you know, or even, you know, blue collar jobs. But, you know, we know what we're doing inside of Equifax, you know, we're going to be more productive through operational AI going forward. And that's, you know, clearly a big effort of ours internally. And I think every company is doing that. And I think over time, you know, you think over the long term, you know, I think that's a macro that will result in, you know, less hiring, you know, going forward, meaning less jobs, you know, and again, You described long term. Is it five years? Is it three years? But directionally, that's clearly going to take place. And I'm sure there's some companies out there that are keeping a tight belt around bringing new people in until they see what kind of traction they're getting out of AI that's going to improve operational efficiency. So I think all of the above, but I would just caution all of us that there's a lot of churn in the US workforce. You know, you think about there's still 70 million plus people a year changing jobs, both in blue and white collar. So there's a lot of churn. That ain't going to go away. You know, is it going to be dampened? Sure. But is it still, you know, a massive amount of change takes place that, you know, our customers are in the middle of, meaning the background screeners. And, you know, we're going to be providing data for, you know, it's not going to go away.

Currently right now, what we're seeing in our own data is that the level of churn is just down, right? So you're leaving and hiring is down, right? People are staying in roles longer and hiring is also down. So, um, the longer term trend as Mark described is one we'll certainly we're watching closely, but currently it's, it just, it appears given the uncertainty in the economy, people aren't leaving jobs either. So churn is just way down.

That's helpful. And then just as a follow-up, just regarding all of the headlines and the news around the FHFA, when we actually think about the timeline for implementation of what the FHFA would like with the introduction of Vantage Score 4 followed by FICO 10-T, any color that you can provide that would help us understand what a timeline might look like from a complexity perspective, meaning that assuming you know, the FHFA goes ahead and, you know, we get the infrastructure in place from their perspective to be able to accept value score for, then the lenders come in and they got to update everything in their systems. So what is a realistic timeline or how should we think about when you guys might realistically be able to start selling or the banks start incorporating value score into the originations process?

Yeah, I think it's still early to, you know, give any kind of a concrete timeline, except to say it's, as you pointed out, it's super complex. You know, there's a lot of different, you know, most mortgage originators have their own platforms, the large ones. And then there's just all kinds of technology work that would have to go into that process in order to, you know, put it in place. So, you know, I think it's safe to say it's very complex. It's safe to say that it's going to take time. I wouldn't think about anything in the second half of this year, like a meaningful change, you know, that, you know, we're going to be able to see, or you're going to be able to see. It's one that clearly will take time to implement. And then, you know, obviously the originators are going to have choice, you know, based on, you know, what the director is put in place, you know, and, you know, there's lots of originators that may, may decide that, you know, they want to stay with what they've been using for 30 years, you know? So I think that's a, something that the industry will have to sort through and it'll be driven by, you know, the individual originators and how they think about, you know, risk profile, how they think about change, the investments they want to make and their process flows and their technology. But it's clearly going to take time.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Kevin McVey with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Great. you give us a sense has the mortgage pricing been fully seasoned so far and what is the pricing dynamic across the rest of the business so what's pricing contributing to kind of the overall revenue um embedded in the guidance yeah so um you know pricing broadly for equifax you know goes in place on a calendar basis you know broadly on a one one

both mortgage and non-mortgage and generally around the globe. So, you know, using your word seasoned, it's, you know, what we have in our guide is pricing that we put in place early this year, you know, in our different products, you know, in all the different business units. So when we talk about the impact of price in like second quarter, it's versus second quarter last year. And, you know, the vast majority, meaning most of our businesses had some level of price increase on one, one. You know, so that's clearly in place. I think, as you know, you know, because of the credit pricing in mortgage, the credit score pricing, that is one where there's been a larger price increase this year, also last year. So in USIS mortgage, you've seen that, you know, in our results, there's a big impact, you know, from that pass through of the credit score pricing. So that's embedded in our guide for the year. And, you know, we have real visibility, you know, around that. And then our non-mortgage pricing is typically much lower than what you see in that pass-through of the credit score in mortgage. And then EWS has their own pricing algorithms or structures that they put in place on 1.1, and those are embedded in our outlook and guide for 2025. Great.

Thank you.

The next questions are from the line of Kyle Peterson with Needham & Company. Please receive your questions.

Hi, this is Brandon Baron on for Kyle. Thanks for taking my question. Just one for me. I'm just wondering if you can dig in on the international growth in the quarter and the rest of the year, particularly in LATAM and Europe cloud adoption and new products, and maybe how margin should shape up for that side of the business in the back half of the year. Thank you.

Yeah, we're pleased with the international performance. You know, I talked about Canada. Canada's obviously you know, lagging because of the economic situation up there from the concerns around tariffs. We expect that to be, you know, better in the second half with some new product rollouts and, you know, some share gains. We think we're going to land in the second half in Canada, you know, and broadly we expect, you know, the second half to be similar to the first half for international, you know, as far as revenue performance. I talked earlier on some of the Q&A you know, around some of the regions like LATAM and Brazil and Boa Vista that are performing, you know, at the higher end of our kind of outlook because of the dynamics in those markets. We're really pleased, you know, with our progress in Brazil and Boa Vista, which we acquired now, you know, two years ago, you know, performing, you know, very, very well. And we're adding our new solutions on Interconnect, Ignite, identity products down there that, you we think will enhance our competitiveness versus experience Rasa. So we're pleased with, you know, how that's, that's performing Latin America is performing well. You know, we still have cloud completion work to do in international, as you know, that North America has done us and Canada. And some of that's in Latin America. So, you know, we expect some incremental, you know, it's in our guide, but incremental cloud cost savings, you know, in the second half, as we complete, you know, some of the cloud migrations in 25 and there'll be a, a tail of international cloud completions in, uh, in 26, principally in, uh, in Australia. I know. Would you add anything else, John on.

Just international MPI tends to be very high. So they deliver a lot of new products. I think as we guided, right, we expect, we expect something around 7% for the year. So a little better than 7% in the second half, you asked about margins. I think we already, we gave guidance on margins. We expect to see nicely increasing margins in the third quarter. and nicely increasing margins for the full year. So as international completes cloud migration, they're also being very diligent on costs. And as they're growing, obviously that flows through at a very high variable rate. So they've delivered nice margin growth, and we expect them to continue to deliver nice margin growth in the rest of the year.

Okay, great. Thank you, guys.

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Arthur Trueslove with Citi. Please receive your questions.

Thank you very much, and thanks so much for my question. I guess one for me, really. I'm just wondering how you think about the kind of mid-term outlook for FICO pricing. Obviously, mortgage revenues have significantly exceeded volumes in USIS, and a decent chunk of that is clearly as a result of FICO. As you say, the FHFA boss has been talking about this. What do you think FICO will price as we look forward? And what sort of impact do you think that's going to have on your growth rates? Thank you.

Yeah, I think with regards to FICO pricing, you should call FICO or join their earnings call, which I think is next week, and see what Will has to say about that. You know, I'm sure he's got a point of view and, you know, we don't have visibility to that. Generally, you know, we'll get inputs from them on what they're thinking about for the next calendar year as we get into later in the year, typically September, October, November, somewhere in that timeframe. You know, we clearly had a, you know, a positive impact, you know, from that pass through in 24 and 25. You know, if you were a part of our investor day and you saw I put in, you know, You know, the slide we used in Investor Day where we provided, you know, kind of a scenario for 2030, you know, where we showed Equifax, you know, growing, you know, well within our long-term growth framework, you know, 8% between now and 2030, you know, without any mortgage market growth or, you know, with very modest mortgage pricing increases in it. You know, so we're not counting on that to deliver our long-term framework. you know, kind of substantial mortgage pricing pass through, you know, we believe we have, you know, in the mortgage business and in our, you know, broader non-mortgage business, which is the bulk of Equifax, you know, lots of levers for growth to deliver, you know, a very strong framework, you know, going forward. And as we think about, you know, the kind of medium longer term, you know, we've got a lot of confidence in our ability to, you know, grow the business, you know, going forward, you know, without that kind of pass through. Great, thank you.

Our next questions are from the line of Kelsey Hsu with Autonomous Research. Please proceed with your questions.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I have two questions on the government vertical. So the first one being, you know, we saw that you recently won an RFP with the state of May as part of your contract renewal. And judging from the cost proposal, it looks like the contract value saw significant improvements from I think it was one to two million a couple of years ago, and the proposal would suggest nine million a year with the recent renewal. So just curious to hear your perspective on what's driving the significant growth there. We did see one of the main attributes that they asked for is hours worked. So maybe you can just talk about the traction you're gaining with state Medicaid programs after the one big beautiful bill has been passed.

first i would say super impressive to have that level of detail on one of our contracts in maine and you actually got john and i both beat on any details on that contract as you know we've got you know contracts with many of the states but uh there's many states where we don't and typically the contracts are with specific agencies in the states um as opposed to um you know the state itself um so we'll have to follow up with you with some details on that but i suspect you know, it's an example of, you know, a state using more of our services for their social service delivery, you know, because of the accuracy and speed and productivity that it delivers to them. So, you know, we'll follow up with you on that one. You know, kind of, you know, broadly, you know, we're not seeing any impact now in our revenue around the changes that were made in the bill that was signed, you know, around July 4th by President Trump that included a lot of the work requirements, as you pointed out, the six-month redeterminations and some of the more stringent income verifications. As I commented earlier, we are having conversations now with states about their implementation of that, but it's not going to happen until, in my view, later this year or probably more accurately in 2026. But that planning has started. It's not going to show up in the revenue, but it gives us a whole bunch of confidence as we think about, you know, 26, 27, 28. You know, there's a lot of positive macros in government for us at the federal and state level. You didn't ask about it, but we commented in our comments on it. You know, there's also a number of federal programs which we're spending time in Washington, you know, quite strongly. You know that are good would be net new programs for us, like with irs and earned income tax credit we think there's an opportunity for them to use our data, you know to verify eligibility and the irs. identify $16 billion a year fraud from those payments that we think we could help mitigate. The do not pay portal on is something that we're working to get twin embedded in that which would also be a you know, a new Program. There's relationships with Department of Labor, Department of Education, and SSA of kind of new programs that we think would help in that $160 billion of improper payments. And so a lot of focus there. Those will likely not impact the second half, but as we are hopeful and we're focused on making progress there, those will be positive for us in 26 and beyond. So big focus there. you know, on government, you know, both at the state and federal level, given the current administration's heavy, heavy focus on that $160 billion of improper payments.

Got it. Super helpful. And just more broadly, Mark, I was wondering if you can help us think through the OPA's impact on EWS. Because on the positive side, you've highlighted some of these drivers, the working hours requirement, the double redetermination, will obviously all present tailwinds for Equifax. But then on the flip side, there's some studies that would suggest that something like 8 million fewer people will be able to prove that they're eligible for Medicaid enrollment, as an example, which could present a headwind to EWS. So just curious to hear your perspective on all of this.

Yeah, I think, you know, you point out, you know, with the increased redeterminations, with the work requirements, the increased, you know, income verification requirements, that'll likely mean there's less people, you know, that are receiving the services. And, you know, the intention is that you're not receiving services if you don't deserve them, meaning you don't qualify. You know, so I think that's the intent. But You know, we think about the tailwinds as being, you know, way overwhelming, that impact. Because remember, you know, we characterize and I think you support it, a $5 billion TAM, you know, if our services were used fully at the state and federal level, you know, for all social service delivery. And we think we have, you know, the right solution in order to deliver social services to those that qualify for it in a very accurate way. And against that 5 billion, our revenue is roughly 800 million. So the tailwinds to go into that 4 billion plus of market opportunity for us are just massive. And we've never, I've only been at Equifax for seven years and change, but you can go back multiple administrations. There's never been a focus around eligibility accuracy Um, and, uh, never been a focus on the improper payments. Um, you know, you can go back to four or five, six administrations, then, uh, even Trump 1.0, you know, there's just a real focus around, you know, getting social services to people that qualify and deserve it because they need it. But those that no longer qualify not receiving it. And, you know, we shared before the, uh, the income demographics of, of, um, Individuals receiving social services are very dynamic. You know, the individuals, you know, have life challenges where maybe they're not working and qualify for social services and should get them. But then a few months later, they may work out their life challenges and be back working again and perhaps no longer qualify. That's what drives those improper payments. So the use of our data, which is, you know, every pay period and is so broad based now with the expansion of the, you know, the network we have of, you know, 4.6 million companies and, you know, 197 million active records. We just have so much coverage that we're very optimistic, you know, around the future, you know, of our government business. And I think we've said it in Investor Day and we've said it consistently, you know, we believe government, you know, will be our fastest growing vertical, you know, across all of Equifax, you know, for as long as I can see. Obviously, we're working through some, you know, transitions from the prior administration in 2025, but you know, we like the macro a lot around government and we're pouring more resources into it. You know, product resources, product capabilities. I think you heard on investor day, we're rolling out our new total income solution, you know, in the third quarter, it's going to expand and be integrated with our twin solution to really add consumer consented bank transaction data, you know, around gig income. It'll just provide an even more complete picture on that applicant that will help them get the services quickly, but also help identify the improper payments. So we're pretty bullish around government going forward.

Thanks so much. Appreciate this.

The next question is from the line of Scott Wurzel with Wolf Research. Let's just hear your questions.

Hey, good morning, guys. Just one from me, going back to the margin guidance, specifically on USIS. You know, you raised your revenue growth guidance, but kept the margin guidance pretty flat or, you know, maintained it for the year. Just wondering what the dynamics are that are driving that. Thanks.

Sure. So, again, as a reminder, their margins are increasing very nicely year on year. So, I think they're delivering very, very good margin performance. Some of the outperformance, what you're seeing is in mortgage, right, because we took up the mortgage revenue guidance more than the non-mortgage revenue guidance. Mortgage has a lower margin profile because of the FICO costs and then the tri-merge costs that are embedded in there. So you end up with a little bit of negative mix. And then also, obviously, they're continuing to invest aggressively to drive NPI faster. So we think they're going to be able to deliver that. They're going to deliver better revenue performance, hold the margins, and then put themselves in a very good position to continue that growth as we get into 26 as they invest in new products.

Great. Thanks, guys.

The next question comes from the line of George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Please receive your questions.

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. Given the variability in state-level funding, Are you considering any alternative pricing strategies to reduce revenue volatility in the EWS government segment?

Yeah, it's actually a good question. I don't know if I would answer it the way you asked it, but we're working to be super flexible, George, around helping states navigate this current period of, as you described it, budget challenges. And I think we talked on the April call about, you know, where we're offering some subscription, you know, type solutions, you know, for a timeframe to help them bridge to their next, you know, budget calendar year. As you might imagine, you know, we want to support our customers. We want to be flexible, you know, around helping them navigate this I guess call it a 2025 window, you know, where the funding requirements change, you know, by the prior administration. And we've had a lot of success with that. But governments and state governments are complex. They have lots of budget challenges. As I said earlier on the call, most states are operating at deficit positions, meaning they're spending more than they're taking in. And that creates challenges when there's a new requirement for funds in order to continue a program like you know, income verification for social services. But we've had a bunch of success and we expect that to continue. And for sure, we're being super flexible around product, structure of contract in order to help our customers, you know, through this period.

Very helpful. Thank you.

The next question is coming from the line of Ryan Griffin with BMO Capital Markets. Pleased to see a few questions.

Hey, thanks so much. You'd previously called out deepening penetration and broadening a solution set with the background screeners at your recent investor day. I know it's early now, but any updates worth sharing or client feedback and how does that mesh out with the price you take there as you look ahead? Thank you.

Yeah, I think we continue to, Mark just talked about the way we're structuring contracts in government. We're doing something very similar in talent, right? We're We're putting contracts in place that provide them with access to all of our products, right, where we can drive revenue growth and we can help them drive higher usage of our products and more efficient usage of our products, which actually can improve their cost structure. So we're doing this across multiple large customers and talent. It's something we expect to continue to expand. As you said, it's only been about a month, so I can't tell you there's been a lot of progress in the last 30 days, but I'd say directionally that's something that we're moving forward with, and we've actually had some success already with some very large customers. So we feel good about that direction and the broadening product base that we have in town.

Great. Thank you.

Our next questions come from the line of Matt O'Neill with FT Partners. Please introduce your questions.

Good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. Most of my questions are asked and answered, but I thought I would ask one. Recently, there's been some headlines and announcement that JP Morgan would be rolling out fees for API data polls. I was curious if this would impact Equifax directly in the extent to which other banks were to follow suit. Is that something that, you know, would sort of become a potentially larger dynamic to think about for you guys? Thank you.

No, we don't expect that to be an impact on the kind of data we get from financial institutions, for sure. Great, thanks.

The next questions are from the line of Simon Clinch with Rothschild and Company Redburn. Please proceed with your questions.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Maybe I could go back to the question previously about the challenges you're facing, I guess, at the state level, budgetary level, the headwinds that we're facing on the government side. What exactly are those states doing with their verifications? What data are they ending up using? Are they just electing to you to do lower volumes? How is that actually mapping out? And then how do we think about, in the context of the OBV bill and the potential doubling of verifications, how do the budgetary constraints today manifest in that kind of environment as well?

Yeah, so on the first side, it varies by state on what they're doing. In some cases, they're relaxing income requirements. They're using state wage data that they, you know, get on a lag basis, and it's not as complete as certainly the twin data. In all cases, they want to go back to using the twin data because of the speed of execution of the process of productivity it delivers, you know, as well as the accuracy from improper payment. And then with the federal government, you know, putting more stringent income requirements on the states, they really have to have, you know, more accurate, you know, processes, which twin delivers. So, you know, that's good, something we're going to work through. And states just are complex, you know, more complex probably than companies, you know, around, you know, how rigid their budgets are from their calendar year, you know, process. And, you know, some of them have September calendar years, some of them have January calendar years, you know, so there's, varying elements there. And we're working through it, but it's complex. And we think we will navigate through it. When you think about the future, obviously, when there's more stringent requirements from the federal level, they're going to have to put in their budgets in the future, whether it's in the 26 budget or 27 budget, the kind of expenditures in order to deliver that level of verification that's going to be required, whether it's going from 12 months to six months redeterminations, whether it's the more stringent upfront income requirements, whether it's the addition of work requirements. That's the dialogues we're having now about our solutions to help support that. And then working with them in order to get this into their number one budget plans, but number two for the future, but also into their You know workflow plans because they're gonna have to change their processes, you know whether it's a you know six months versus 12 months, you know, adding a work requirement is super complex, because I think, as you know, it includes not only. You know, employment, you know, but also includes some volunteer work or other elements that can be used as evidence of your attempt to. You know, have activity when you're receiving social services so it's going to require. you know, a bunch of work. But, you know, when we think about the macro for Equifax with the $5 billion TAM, you know, we think that's good news for us. And that's why we're putting so much effort into, you know, supporting, you know, our customers as they navigate through these changes.

That's really useful. Thanks, Mark. And just does this bill, do you consider the new policies as expanding that $5 billion TAM opportunity?

Yeah, it's a great question. And it certainly does. And we haven't updated the $5 billion TAM. The way we think about it, $5 billion is a big number. It's a ton of opportunity. It's one of the biggest TAMs we have versus our $800 million. But it's one, obviously, that only went in place a few weeks ago. It's a great reminder that we should take a fresh look at the $5 billion around the impact that's going to have on us. And we'll do that. But You think about $800 million versus $5 billion, $4 billion plus of potential growth. There's plenty of growth for us in the government sector, which is why we're energized about it, and that's why we're continuing to put more resources into it.

Great. Thanks very much. Thank you. Our final question is from the line of Craig Hubert with Hubert Research Partners.

Great, thank you. You may have touched on this as I missed part of the call earlier, but can you just give us your outlook for credit cards in your auto business for the second half of the year, and maybe also just touch on the volume levels that you've seen in those two areas now, say, pre-COVID, how they stack up versus history?

Yeah, so we didn't give specific volume levels. What we did indicate was auto had been very strong through the first half of the year, and And our expectation was we'd continue to see good auto performance as we move through the rest of this year. And that's what we'd seen even later as we moved through the second quarter. And around, we didn't give credit cards specifically, but our FI business in general, right? We had nice performance in the first quarter. It was a little weaker year on year in the second quarter. I think that was mostly related to just a grow over. Second quarter of last year was very, very strong. Sequentially, we saw nice growth in our FI business. first to second quarter, and we expect to see good performance in FI in the back half of the year.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Thank you. At this time, this concludes our question and answer session, and I'll now turn the floor back over to Trevor Burns for closing comments.

Yep. Thanks for your time today, and if you have any follow-up questions, you can reach out to myself or Molly. Thank you.

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