Eagle Point Income Company Inc.

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Greetings and welcome to the Eagle Point Income Company third quarter 2025 financial results call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Darren Daugherty. Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you, operator, and good morning. Welcome to Eagle Point Income Company's earnings conference call for the third quarter of 2025. Speaking on the call today are Thomas Majewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the company, Dan Coe, Senior Principal and Portfolio Manager for the company's advisor, and Lina Omnova, Chief Accounting Officer for the advisor. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that the matters discussed on this call include forward-looking statements or projected financial information that involve risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from such projections. For further information on factors that could impact the company and the statements and projections contained herein, Please refer to the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Each forward-looking statement or projection of financial information made during this call is based on the information available to us as of the date of this call. We disclaim any obligation to update our forward-looking statements unless required by law. Earlier today, we filed our third quarter 2025 financial statements and investor presentation with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These are also available in the investor relations section of the company's website, EaglePointIncome.com. A replay of this call will also be made available later today. I will now turn the call over to Thomas Majewski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Eagle Point Income Company. Tom?

Thank you, Darren, and good morning, everyone. We're glad you're joining the call with us today. EIC had a positive third quarter. Our NAV increased. and we covered our distribution from both net interest income as well as recurring cash flows. The scale and experience of the Eagle Point platform remain key advantages as we seek to capitalize on opportunities in a dynamic market environment for CLO investing. For the quarter, the company generated net investment income, less realized losses of 26 cents per share. This was made up of 39 cents per share of net investment income and offset by 13 cents of realized capital losses. Recurring cash flows totaled $17 million, or 67 cents per share, and this is consistent with the prior quarter's $18 million, or 67 cents per share. Recurring cash flows exceeded our regular common distribution and total expenses by 5 cents per share. NAV rose to $14.21 per share as of September 30th, and that's up from $14.08 per share at the end of June. The increase reflects our continued portfolio performance, net investment income coverage of our common distribution, improving market conditions, and disciplined capital management. Our gap return on equity for the third quarter was 3%. During the quarter, we deployed $60 million into new investments. The new CLO equity we purchased during the quarter had a weighted average effective yield of 16.6%. The company's ability to invest in both CLO debt and CLO equity in both the primary and secondary markets allows us to assess relative value opportunities wherever they present themselves. Backed by Eagle Point's deep expertise in the CLO market, we believe this approach positions us to deliver attractive returns and long-term value for shareholders. We completed three resets and four refinancings of our CLO equity positions during the quarter. These actions lowered the debt costs in those CLOs, and in the case of the resets, extended the reinvestment periods, which continue to enhance our portfolio's weighted average remaining reinvestment period and long-term earnings power. During the third quarter, we issued $35 million of preferred stock through our at-the-market program, In light of recent Fed rate cuts, earlier today, we announced the scheduled redemption of 100% of our 7.75% Series B term preferred stock. This redemption allows us to further optimize our capital structure and reduce financing costs, positioning the company to enhance earnings power for our common shareholders over time. Also, during the quarter, we repurchased $21 million of common stock at an average discount to NAV of 8.3%. This resulted in NAV accretion of $0.07 per share. Today, we announced that our board has increased our common share repurchase authorization to $60 million from $50 million, which had been previously announced in June of this year. Since June through October 31st, we've repurchased in total $33 million of common stock and an average discount of 8.8% to NAV, creating $0.11 per share of NAV accretion for our shareholders. These actions reflect our ongoing commitment to enhancing shareholder value while maintaining prudent leverage and balance sheet flexibility. We plan to continue to be aggressive in buying back shares when they are trading at a discount to NAV. Since our last earnings call in August, the Fed has cut interest rates twice. Our CLO debt portfolio, which makes up the majority of our holdings, is directly indexed to short-term rates and will earn lower coupons as a result of the Fed rate cuts. Earlier today, we declared three monthly distributions of 11 cents per share for the first quarter of 2026. This is a reduction from our previous monthly distribution of 13 cents per share. and reflects largely the impact of the Fed rate cuts. The company's board considers numerous factors when setting the monthly distribution level, including cash flow generated from the company's investment portfolio, gap earnings, and the company's required to distribute substantially all of its taxable income. We believe this new distribution level is aligned with the current interest rate environment and the company's near-term earnings potential. CLO debt is a floating-rate asset, so it is expected that our earning power will move around as benchmark rates move, just as it increases when rates are rising. That said, we believe junior COO debt continues to offer compelling risk-adjusted returns compared to comparably rated corporates, given its low credit expense and premium yield. I'll now turn the call over to Senior Principal and Portfolio Manager, Dan Coe, for an update on the market.

Thanks, Tom. I'll provide a quick update on both the loan and CLO markets during the third quarter. The S&P UBS Leverage Loan Index returned 1.6% for the quarter and continued to perform well through October, returning 0.3% for the month. There were five leverage loan defaults during the quarter, and as of September 30th, the trailing 12-month default rate stood at 1.5%, up from 1.1% as of June 30th, but well below the long-term average of 2.6%. The widely reported First Brands default caused most of the increase in the default rate, but had a minimal impact on the broader CLO market. First Brands accounts for only 25 basis points of our portfolio on a look-through basis, and we do not view it as an indication of widespread credit weakness. Note that our CLO BBs benefit from par subordination, so the loss from First Brands is borne by the CLO equity. The company's portfolio default exposure as of September 30th stood at 41 basis points, which is well below broader market levels. With rates expected to fall further, defaults will remain muted as loan issuers will have much lower interest costs. In addition, corporate fundamentals across the loan market remain resilient, with issuers generally continuing to grow revenue and EBITDA despite the effects of inflation, tariffs, and rates over the past year. During the quarter, approximately 6.8% of leveraged loans, or roughly 27% annualized, were prepaid at par. In general, loan issuers continue to be proactive in tackling their near-term maturities, and the maturity wall, as we have mentioned on prior calls, continues to be pushed out. In terms of CLO new issuance, we saw $53 billion of volume during the quarter. This was up slightly from $51 billion in the second quarter. Reset and refinancing activity for the third quarter was $69 billion and $36 billion, respectively, both of which represented significant increases from the prior quarter. CLO debt spreads remain resilient despite the many bouts of volatility that we have observed in the third quarter. Although lower base rates weigh on the earnings power of our CLO debt portfolio, we view the yield and low credit expense offered by CLO BBs as very attractive, relative to comparably rated fixed income instruments. Meanwhile, our CLO equity exposure provides a partial offset to lower rates, as it is less rate sensitive. Returns are largely driven by spreads, not base rates. In many respects, lower rates can be constructive for the asset class, easing interest costs for loan issuers and supporting continued credit stability, while also seeing increased LBO activity that contributes to new loan supply and wider loan spreads. As of September 30th, we had $52 million of cash in undrawn revolver capacity available for investment and common stock repurchases, providing ample liquidity to act on the best relative value opportunities and deliver long-term value for shareholders. With that, I'll hand it over to our Advisor's Chief Accounting Officer, Lina Omnova, to walk through our financial results.

Thank you, Dan. For the third quarter, the company recorded net investment income less realized losses of $7 million or $0.26 per share. This compares to NII unrealized gains of $0.39 per share for the last quarter and NII unrealized gains of $0.57 per share for the third quarter of last year. Including unrealized portfolio gains, GAAP net income was $11 million or $0.43 per share for the third quarter of 2025. The company's third quarter net income was comprised of investment income of $16 million and unrealized gains on investments of $5 million. Partial asset by financing and operating expenses of $6 million, realized losses of $3 million, and unrealized losses on certain liabilities recorded at fair value of $1 million. Additionally, other comprehensive income was $1 million for the third quarter. We paid three monthly distributions of 13 cents per share during the quarter, and earlier today, we declared three monthly distributions of 11 cents per share for the first quarter of next year. As of September month end, the company had outstanding preferred equity securities, which totaled 35% of total assets less current liabilities. This is at the top end of our long-term target leverage ratio range of 25% to 35%, where we expect to operate the company under normal market conditions. The company's assets coverage ratio at quarter end for preferred stock, calculated in accordance with Investment Company Act requirements, was 285%. This is comfortably above the statutory requirements of 200%. As of September month end, the company's NAV was $356 million, or $14.21 per share, an increase versus $14.08 per share as of June month end. During the quarter, we repurchased over 1.5 million shares of our common stock for the total amount of $21 million, at the average discount to NAV of 8.3% per share. This has resulted in NAV acquisition of $0.07 per share. We would like to highlight that all repurchased shares were retired. Looking at our portfolio activity during the month of October, the company received recurring cash loss on its investment portfolio of $17 million. I would like to highlight that some of the company's investments are still expected to make payments later in the quarter. As of October month end, net of pending investment transactions and settlement, the company had $55 million of cash and revolver capacity available for investment and other purposes. Management's unaudited estimate of the company's NAV as of October month end was between $13.94 and $14.04 per share. I will now turn the call back over to Tom, who will provide closing remarks before we take your questions.

Thanks, Lina. The third quarter demonstrated our focus on actively managing our portfolio and executing our strategy across shifting market conditions. We were selective in finding the best relative value opportunities between CLO debt and equity. We also remained active with our share repurchase program, aggressively buying back stock, which we believe is undervalued. The board increased the program, giving us more flexibility to keep buying our own stock at a discount. It's a great investment for the company. Periods like this often reward patient, well-capitalized investors, and we believe the company is well-positioned to continue generating solid risk-adjusted returns and building long-term value for our shareholders. We appreciate your continued support. Thank you for your time and interest in Eagle Point Income Company. Lena, Dan, and I will now open the call to your questions. Operator?

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One moment, please, while we poll for questions.

Our first question comes from the line of Eric Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets, LLC. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, Eric. How are you? Hey, thanks. Good morning. Good to talk to you again today. I wanted to start just looking at slide 26, and it seems, you know, in the most recent data for revenue and EBITDA change for below-investment-grade companies that we've seen a little bit of a pickup here, and then if we kind of, you know, take the Fed cuts and reductions and so forth that we've already seen and maybe extrapolate the futures curve a little bit. It seems like, you know, kind of profits for companies are trending in a positive direction. So just curious, you know, what that means for your expectations in terms of, you know, credit quality going forward. There certainly are some, you know, some concerns in the market today and some unknowns with the macroeconomic. But, you know, I wonder if you kind of put that together and kind of relay some thoughts on future credit quality?

Yeah, very good question. And on this page, which looks like page 26 in the deck, you can see data going back over a decade, going back to 2012. And generically, below-investment-grade companies should be growing at a faster rate than the economy. That's just kind of the nature of the beast. They're levered. They're growth-oriented. In many cases, sponsor-backed. If you look at the last few quarters, in general, you can see a positive revenue trend and a positive-ish EBITDA trend, not as good as the revenue trend. There's a little bit of a spread there. But overall, that's what we like to see. This goes through Q2, which does include some of the tariff-related behavior. Q3 data still kind of being finalized right now. But overall, we view this as directionally credit positive. These numbers, I want to say they can never be big enough. If they were both, if the 6.3 and 4.3 were double, we wouldn't object for sure. If they were triple, we might wonder what's going on. But overall, the growth of these companies is very much moving back into the right direction. We certainly had a little bit of shock earlier in the year, but the takeaway here, if top line and bottom line are growing, those are credit positives broadly for the companies we deal with.

Dan, if I might add, this is Dan Coe speaking. As long as these kind of companies continue to grow revenue in EBITDA, we haven't seen defaults pick up materially, and if anything, as maybe the growth rate increases, we'll likely see I guess defaults start to slow down, which we've seen in some of the kind of the research that we're seeing, the outlooks for next year are kind of seeing default rates come down. We've even seen the percentage of kind of LMEs relative to last year kind of come down. And so generally with lower rates should lower the interest costs for a lot of these companies. So from a credit standpoint should be at least some tailwinds going into next year.

That's all. That's all great to hear. And then on the next slide, slide 27, there's been a, you know, a noticeable increase in an annual trading volume really since 2020, maybe notwithstanding 2021. And it looks like 25 is on pace to be a record if I just extrapolate into fourth quarter from the first three quarters. So one, I guess maybe a two-part question. One, what has driven that increase over the past, call it, you know, five plus years? And two, what what does that has or what does it mean for your business in managing Eagle Point Income Company?

Sure. So in terms of kind of trading volumes, I think some of that has to do with the fact that there are just more eyes on CLOs. I think people have recognized just the premium yields that you can receive as well as the low credit expense for CLO debt relative to kind of other fixed income asset classes, rated fixed income asset classes that are out there. So I think people have seen just the data on how well it's performed, and so we're seeing a lot more activity within the CLO space. There are more entrants kind of looking at buying CLO debt as well as equity, which has kind of increased the competitive landscape of being kind of the established player in the space. It certainly helps in that we're a top counterparty for nearly all the desks that are out there both on our debt and equity standpoint. And then for your second part of your question, some of that, I guess, of the increase is really due to, I guess, the advent of ETFs that have come along kind of over the past couple years or so. So a lot of the, I think, the investment-grade trading activity is probably related to ETFs, some of the non-investment-grade as well. But ultimately, we think that the additional liquidity that we're seeing within the market, I think, is good. in that it allows us to be able to take kind of views on certain investments, to buy and sell, and the bid-ask typically for a lot of these tranches has kind of tightened, so just an easier way for us to kind of express views on our positions.

Thanks, and last one for me, just making sure I'm following your thoughts correctly. With reducing the dividend, Going into 1Q of next year, safe to assume, I think you mentioned, Jim, it's primarily due to the Fed rate cuts we've seen and maybe some more coming. Safe to kind of assume that you feel the earnings power of the portfolio is likely to trend down somewhat here from this level that you reported in the most recent quarter?

Yeah, I mean, it has something to do. Obviously, the rates is a driver of that for the CLO debt portfolio, but we are making some rotations within the CLO equity portfolio to kind of increase earnings and to offset some of that, as well as some other higher-yielding investments. So we change the dividend rate to what we see as kind of the near-term kind of rate that can be supported, but obviously many factors kind of go into determining that each quarter along with the board. But at least for Q1, we think that that's kind of the appropriate level.

Thank you for taking my questions. Of course. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino with B Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. Hi. Thank you. Kind of piggybacking off that last question in terms of asset rotation, it seems quarter over quarter dealer debt decreased. Kind of that kind of breaks the trend of the past four quarters of, you know, like more CLO debt assets. It also seems like you're holding a lot more cash. I was just kind of wondering if you could provide some color around that activity. Thank you.

Yeah, sure. So thanks, Tim, for your question. I mean, there has been a lot of refis and resets that have been happening in the CLO market as kind of the spreads for some of the older season kind of positions were in the money for the equity to kind of refinance. And so we saw a lot of paydowns in those investments. So it's obviously sad to see kind of the higher yields go away, but it's also good to get par back a lot sooner than we had anticipated, certainly when we bought some of these at discounts. And so we have seen a little bit of a buildup in cash as we announced that some of that cash is going to be used to pay down the EICBs. later this quarter. So that's kind of, I guess, why we have a little more cash than usual. But also it's kind of finding the right kind of relative value in investments. CLWBs are by no means kind of a sector that we're trying to exit, but trying to pick our spots given that most of the paper that we think that's interesting today is actually less new issue, but probably more refis and resets. But they do come with a little bit of kind of hair in the portfolio. They're not as squeaky clean as new issue is. But you can pick up 50 to 100 basis points potentially. So kind of picking our spots and then also kind of trying to pick our spots for, you know, seal equity as well as kind of other sort of higher yielding investments.

Okay, great. And then just as a follow-up to that on the cash component, you mentioned paying down the fees. Is that the primary focus to pay down the Bs with the cash, or will you also be looking to buy back common shares? I'm just trying to understand, you know, like where we can see the cash go more towards. Is it going to be paying down the Bs 100% and taking buying backs in common, or will you really just be focused on paying down the Bs? Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, it's really to focus on the Bs, and we haven't publicly announced any sort of share buyback. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We have announced a shared buyback. I apologize. Yes, I mean, so we'll be using it for both so that we'll pay back the bees and then, you know, I think we've said in the script that we'll aggressively look to buy back the common. So, you know, we'll be using it ultimately for both.

Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Nolan with Lattenberg Talman.

Please proceed with your question.

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. On page 22, you have the largest industry concentration of software and technology. How much of that might be AI or data center related, please?

Not a ton, to be honest. Most of this is kind of enterprise software, so kind of software that's really embedded in a lot of companies' operations. And so it's stickier credits. It's harder for companies to pull out the software that they're using on a daily basis because the cost of replacing, meaning both just the actual cost, but also just the time and effort that goes into replacing the software is very costly. So it's been generally one of the higher industry concentrations within the loan market and has generally performed well over the past several cycles.

Great. As a follow-up, just a following up to the most recent question, talking about investing in the BBs, when you're looking at deals to invest in, is there a particular industry that you're looking to get more exposure on, or does each CLO seem to have a broad-based industry composition?

Yeah, I mean, most CLOs have very similar industry concentrations to the loan market in that CLO managers are generally buying kind of what the market has put before them. You might see a little bit of tweaks here and there, and maybe a certain manager decides not to buy any kind of oil and gas names because they've been burned in the past. But it's kind of hard to avoid some of the higher, like technology and health care. Those are typically the two highest concentrations within the loan market. But most people are not materially kind of off-index, if you will.

Great.

Thank you.

Thanks for your questions. Thank you.

And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. Therefore, I'll now turn the call back over to Thomas Majewski for closing comments.

Great. Thank you very much, everyone. We appreciate your interest in Eagle Point Income Company. We continue to work very hard for shareholders. The biggest thing, continuing to aggressively buy back our stock using the buyback program. Good to get the call of the preferred user at the highest rate. We'll get that done this year and continue to optimize the company's balance sheet and continue to look for the best investments for the company. So we appreciate your time and effort and time and interest, and we appreciate joining us today. Thank you very much.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your line at this time. Thank you for your participation.