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spk02: Good day, everyone, and thank you all for joining us to discuss Equity Lifestyles Properties' fourth quarter and full year 2023 results. Our featured speakers today are Marguerite Nader, our president and CEO, Paul Seavey, our executive vice president and CFO, and Patrick Waite, our executive vice president and COO. In advance of today's call, management release earnings. Today's call will consist of opening remarks and a question and answer session with management relating to the company's earnings release. For those who would like to participate in the question and answer session, management asks that you limit yourselves to two questions so everyone who would like to participate has ample opportunity. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Certain matters discussed during this conference call may contain forward-looking statements in the meaning of the federal securities laws. Our forward-looking statements are subject to certain economic risks and uncertainties. The company assumes no obligation to update or supplement any statements that become untrue because of subsequent events. In addition, During today's call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, our supplemental information, and our historical SEC filings. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Marguerite Nader, our President and CEO.
spk10: Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. I am pleased to report the final results for 2023. The strength of ELS can be seen in all facets of our business. We continued our record of strong core operations and FFO growth with full year growth in NOI of 5% and a 4.7% increase in normalized FFO per share. Our MH portfolio is 95% occupied. Importantly, more than 96% of our MH sites are occupied by homeowners. The underlying customer demand remains solid and core operating revenue increased by 5.8% for the full year 2023 compared to 2022. During the fourth quarter 2023, occupancy increased by 65 sites and we ended the year with stable occupancy levels comparable to year end 2022. We continue to experience robust demand for the lifestyle our communities provide with 905 new home sales during 2023. Our strategy of converting existing residents to homebuyers continues to be successful, with almost a quarter of our home sales coming from individuals who already reside in our communities. Homebuying leads during the fourth quarter were up 7% compared to last year, driven by the availability of popular new home models and leveraging new technology to expand awareness of our homes for sale online. Due to the strength of our operating markets, we continue to see demand for new homes in our communities, where we are selling homes on average for approximately $100,000. Our strongest performing communities for home sales were in Florida, which accounted for over 50% of total new home sales, with an average sale price of more than $105,000. While home prices are $100,000 on average, they remain significantly lower than other housing options in the immediate vicinity of our communities. In 2023, the mark-to-market rent increase for new homeowners has been approximately 13%. In 2023, our RV revenue from annual or seasonal customers increased 7.2% as compared to 2022. We saw continued strength in Florida and Arizona. Our transient business continued to be a large driver of our new customer base for both annual and seasonal revenue. We had over 1,000 transient customers convert to an annual or seasonal customer. Continuing to expose new customers to our properties through the transient stay is an important building block for our revenue streams. Turning to 2024, we have issued guidance of $2.88 at the midpoint for next year. The demand for our MH communities continues to increase. Over the last five years, we have sold over 3,500 new homes in our communities. These new homes further enhance the look of the community as new and existing homeowners throughout the portfolio showcase their pride of ownership. Our guidance for 2024 reflects the strength in our business. Our guidance is built based on the operating environment at each property and continuous communication with our residents. Next, I would like to update you on our 2024 dividend policy. The board has approved setting the annual dividend rate of $1.91 per share a 6.7% increase. The stability and growth of our cash flow, our solid balance sheet, and the strong underlying trends in our business are the primary drivers of the decision to increase the dividend. Historically, we've been able to take advantage of opportunities due to the free cash flow generated from our operations. That will continue in 2024 as this dividend increase of $23.5 million is roughly equivalent to our anticipated increase in FFO for 2024. In 2024, we expect to have approximately $100 million of discretionary capital after meeting our obligations for dividend payments, recurring capital expenditures, and principal payments. Over the past 10 years, we have increased our dividend by an average of 11% per year, and this year's dividend marks the 20th consecutive year of annual dividend growth. I want to take a moment to express my gratitude to our dedicated team members who have worked tirelessly to drive our success. I am proud of their hard work and commitment that contributed to the results for 2023. I will now turn it over to Patrick to provide more details about property operations.
spk15: Thanks, Marguerite. In 2023, long-term residents and guests at our core MHRV and Marina properties continued to demonstrate consistent demand, which supported occupancy and strong rate growth. As we approach the February peak of our winter Sunbelt season, I want to provide some additional color the drivers of the nearly 70% of our revenue that comes from residents and guests at our Sunbelt properties in Florida, California, and Texas. Since our IPO in February 1993, we've been talking about the aging of the baby boomers and migration trends to the Sunbelt. In 2023, baby boomers celebrated birthdays ranging from the ages of 59 to 77, and we're in the midst of 69 million baby boomers supporting a pace of 10,000 people turning 65 every day in the U.S. That trend spans the 19-year period from 2010 to 2029. Given our core residents and guests stay with us 10 years or more, we have another 15 to 20 years of engagement with the baby boomers as a key driver of demand at our properties. I'd also point out that subsequent generational cohorts, Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z, follow similar aging trends as the baby boomers. Note that millennials will start to retire in 20 years, and they represent a population of 74 million, or 5 million more than the baby boom generation. Overall, the U.S. population, 55 plus, is projected to increase 6.4% over the next five years, while our Sembel properties in Florida, California, Arizona, and Texas are projected to increase 8.5%, outpacing the national growth rate by 200 basis points. The leader in our Sunbelt states is Florida, our largest state, with strong 55 plus population growth of 9.4% over the next five years, outpacing the national average by approximately 300 basis points. Our second largest state is California, with a 55 population projected to grow in line with the nation at 6.4% over the next five years. Two important points about California. First, MH&RV properties offer great value to customers given high-quality locations and high demand. And second, the sub-markets where our properties are concentrated are projected to outpace the 55-plus population in California by 70 basis points, emphasizing the strength of our locations within the state. For these key Sunbelt markets that represent nearly 75% of ELS total property revenue, MH, RV, and Marina annual customers comprise more than 90% of that revenue, while seasonal and transient guests represent 10%. That makes us consistent with the balance of our portfolio. These revenues in our Sunbelt markets benefit from baby boomer demand and associated population growth trends. Over the last five years, across the Sunbelt, our MH portfolio has produced 6% revenue growth and our RV portfolio 6.3% revenue growth. Those stable long-term revenue streams have consistently been our priority and have consistently provided year-over-year NOI growth. For perspective, our portfolio footprint and current operating characteristics are the result of an investment focus starting in 1993. We focused our acquisition strategy on key sub-markets in Florida, California, Arizona, and Texas, and those markets have represented two-thirds of our growth through acquisitions over the last 30 years. A couple final key points to highlight, the contribution of our long-term Sunbelt investments. Over the last five years, 70% of our new home sales and two-thirds of our completed development expansion have been from our Sunbelt portfolio. Those are among the many contributors to the stable operating results referenced above. I'll now turn it over to Paul.
spk06: Thanks, Patrick, and good morning, everyone. I will review our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results and provide an overview of our first quarter and full year 2024 guidance. We reported normalized FFO of 71 cents per share for the fourth quarter and $2.75 per share for the full year. Full year growth in normalized FFO was 4.7%. Strong core portfolio performance generated 5% NOI growth for the full year. Core community-based rental income increased 6.8% for the full year compared to 2022. Our rate growth was the result of increases to in-place residents, as well as marking rents to market on turnover at an average increase of 13% during 2023. Also during 2023, we increased homeowner occupancy by 554 sites. Full year core resort and marina-based rental income growth from annuals was 8.1%, with 7.6% from rate increases and 50 basis points from occupancy gains. RV and marina-based rental income from seasonals increased 2.6% for the full year compared to 2022. Base rent from transients was lower than prior year, mainly as a result of unfavorable weather patterns we've discussed throughout the year. For the full year, net contribution from our membership business, which consists of annual subscription and upgrade sales revenues offset by sales and marketing expenses, was $57.2 million, an increase of 6.7% compared to the prior year. The net deferral impact for the full year was $17.7 million. Subscription revenues increased 3.7%. During 2023, we sold almost 3,900 upgrades with an average sale price of approximately $9,250. Full year growth in core utility and other income is mainly the result of increases in utility income. Our recovery percentage of 44.9% increased approximately 90 basis points compared to 2022. Other income includes $3.1 million of revenue associated with sites leased to provide housing for displaced residents in Fort Myers, Florida. Fourth quarter core operating expenses increased 8.7% compared to the same period in 2022 and were higher than our guidance as a result of real estate tax increases. Several counties in Florida increased assessed values and millage rates. We have filed appeals and noticed residents of pass-throughs of increased real estate taxes where lease terms allow it. The pass-throughs will be recognized as revenue in 2024. Our non-core properties contributed $5.2 million in the quarter and $27.6 million for the full year. Property management and corporate G&A were $117 million for the full year. And other income and expenses net, which includes our sales operations, joint venture income, as well as interest in other corporate income, was $29.8 million for the year. Our interest in amortization expenses were $132.3 million for the full year. And our full year weighted average debt balance was $3.5 billion. The weighted average rate was 3.8%. The press release and supplemental package provide an overview of 2024 first quarter and full year earnings guidance. The following remarks are intended to provide context for our current estimate of future results. All growth rate ranges and revenue and expense projections are qualified by the risk factors included in our press release and supplemental package. Our guidance for 2024 full-year normalized FFO is $2.88 per share at the midpoint of our guidance range of $2.83 to $2.93. We project core property operating income growth of 5.6% at the midpoint of our range of 5.1% to 6.1%. We project the non-core properties will generate between $14 and $18 million of NOI during 2024. Our property management and G&A expense guidance range is slightly lower than our 2023 actual expense, primarily as a result of our assumptions for reduced administrative and payroll expenses. We've also provided guidance ranges for our weighted average debt balance and interest expense in the supplemental package. The full-year guidance model makes no assumptions regarding acquisitions, other capital events, or the use of free cash flow we expect to generate in 2024. In the core portfolio, we project the following full year growth rate ranges, 4.8% to 5.8% for core revenues, 4.5% to 5.5% for core expenses, and 5.1% to 6.1% for core NOI. Full year guidance assumes core MH rent growth in the range of 5.5% to 6.5%. We assume occupancy in our stabilized MH portfolio will be flat during 2024. Full-year guidance for combined RV and marina rent growth is 4.9% to 5.9%. Annual RV and marina rent represents just over two-thirds of the full-year RV and marina rent, and we expect 7% growth in rental income from annuals at the midpoint of our guidance range. Our full-year core expense growth assumptions include our current projections for future utility rate increases, as well as a real estate tax increase assumption that is consistent with our long-term historical experience. Our first quarter guidance assumes normalized FFO per share in the range of 75 cents to 81 cents, which represents approximately 27% of full-year normalized FFO per share. Core property operating income growth is projected to be in the range of 6.7% to 7.3% for the first quarter. First quarter growth in MH and combined RV and marina rents are generally in line with our full-year assumptions. We project first quarter annual RV and marina rent to be approximately $72.9 million at the midpoint of our guidance range. 2024 is a leap year, so as we do every four years, we will have a slightly higher allocation of annual RV rent to the month of February as a result of the extra day. The incremental rent represents approximately 100 basis points of the first quarter 2024 growth. Our guidance assumes first quarter seasonal and transient RV revenues perform in line with our current reservation pacing. I'll now provide some comments on the financing market and our balance sheet. We have no scheduled debt maturities in 2024. Our $300 million term loan has an in-place swap that fixes the all-in cost of debt at 1.8% until late March. Current all-in cost of floating at swap expiration is 6.7%. Current secured debt terms are 10 years at coupons between 5.5% and 6.25%, 60% to 75% loan-to-value, and 1.4% to 1.6 times debt service coverage. We continue to see strong interest from GSEs, life companies, and CMBS lenders to lend for 10-year terms. High-quality, age-qualified MH assets continue to command best financing terms. Our $500 million line of credit currently has approximately $435 million available. We have $500 million of capacity under our ATM. Our weighted average secure debt maturity is approximately 10 years. Our debt to adjusted EBITDA is 5.3 times, and our interest coverage is 5.2 times. We continue to place high importance on balance sheet flexibility, and we believe we have multiple sources of capital available to us. Now we would like to open it up for questions.
spk02: Certainly, and as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a question at this time, please press star 11 on your telephone. If you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star 11 again. Our first question comes from the line of Josh Dennerle from Bank of America. Your question, please.
spk12: Yeah, hey, guys. Popo, all is well. Just wanted to go into the guidance range for MH, same store, NOI for 2024 a little bit more. Could you walk us through, like, what gets us to the low end and high end? And then just kind of curious if there was any changes for three – I know you put out that 5.4% rate increase out with 3Q results, and I see the range is 5.5 to 6.5, so just trying to reconcile that. Yeah, Josh.
spk06: First of all, with respect to the range, we noticed in October the rate increase that we anticipate. And the five and a half to six and a half is the overall increase. The difference that you see there is the occupancy that we increased in 2023. It's the impact of that included in our current guidance. And then just overall with respect to the MH business, I mean, you know, we don't report separately the MH from the RV, but I can tell you that as we think about the business, the rent line is, I'll call it, you know, stable, solid. We do notice decelerating rate throughout the course of 2024, primarily as a result of increases that we noticed later in 23, and then an assumption for, you know, just following CPI, which is not going to increase as it did last year. And then on the expense side, I think that, you know, the things that might have exposure for us As we always talk about, we have some assumption for storm events at our properties, but we have incurred outsized expenses in the past related to weather events. And the other thing that we're watching very closely that we've talked about quite a bit over the last couple of years is the volatility and utility expense. That does seem to be settling, but it's unclear whether there's some sort of structural shift just overall in energy costs or whether we experienced a period of significant volatility and that seems to be easing.
spk12: One follow-up, Paul, you mentioned the occupancy uplift in your MH-based rental income growth rate. That's just what you've incurred in 2023. I think your policy has been not to include anything on a go-forward basis. Is that correct? That's correct. In the, in the stabilized portfolio, it's assumed to be flat. Yes. Okay. Okay. I was missing that. Okay. Got it. And then I think real estate taxes, it looks like there was a big increase in 4Q driving up the expenses. How should we think about your ability to kind of pass those increases on to customers, whether it's through rate or just assessments or anything?
spk06: Is that possible? Yes, so the lease provisions in primarily the MH properties, which had a disproportionately large exposure to the increases that we experienced, allow us to pass through more than 95% of the increase that we experienced. All of it, of course, is subject to the appeals that we have in process. And we have close to 30 properties that are under appeal. And it'll be a bit of time during 2024 before we'll have visibility into the results of those appeals. But to the extent that there is success, of course, the pass-through to the residents would be adjusted.
spk10: And, Josh, those residents have been notified of that increase already.
spk12: Okay. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
spk10: Thanks, Josh.
spk02: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Brad Heffern from RBC.
spk00: Your question, please. Yeah. Hey, good morning, everyone. Can you talk through the seasonal and transient reservation outlook as we sit here today?
spk06: Yep. As I mentioned in my remarks, Brad, we use current reservation pacing to prepare our guidance for the first quarter seasonal and transient. The seasonal is tracking in line and we're reserved for more than 95% of the first quarter rent. We see more variability in transient rent, but the reservation pacing is generally in line with our budget expectations. I will say that we're not anticipating the recurrence of the impact of severe weather that impacted the first quarter of 2023, particularly in California. The first quarter of 2023, the first of many atmospheric rivers that impacted California and had pretty meaningful effect from a few of those storms.
spk00: Okay, got it, thank you. And just to clarify on the guidance, is the term loan swap expiration included in the guidance, and then is there any plan to either fix that rate again or take out that term loan?
spk06: Yes and no. So yes, it's included in guidance, and no, the assumption is that we float.
spk02: Okay, thank you. Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Jamie Feldman from Wells Fargo. Your question, please.
spk11: Great. Thank you for taking the question. I just want to go back to the Florida real estate tax increase. Can you give more color on, you know, what municipalities or what counties do you think this could flow through to other counties that haven't increased yet? You know, this specific property types that seem to be getting hit. I think there's a real read through here for Florida. kind of the rest of residential. I just want to make sure we, you know, put some guardrails on what happened and what this could look like going forward.
spk06: Yeah, we experienced outsized increases in Lee County, Charlotte County, and a couple of other counties, but those were significant counties. There was some, I guess, a higher or more significant impact to our MH portfolio than our RV portfolio. And I think that, as I mentioned in my remarks, that leads to the ability to pass through because those lease provisions tend to have pass-through provisions in them.
spk10: And Jamie, some of that is a function of acquisitions that have traded in the recent past over the last three to five years that are driving up that increase.
spk11: Okay. Thank you. And then I guess switching gears, if we could just talk a little bit more about the RV business. I mean, you came in slightly below your full year guidance for growth. And as we estimated what annual could look like, it looks like it's kind of less than a 2% growth rate. So I'm just wondering, can you give more color on how you're getting to those numbers? I think in the past, you haven't really baked in any down days for weather. Clearly, weather has been a bigger issue the last few years. Is that part of the story here? Are you making some new assumption for that? Or any other color you can provide on why the outlook for next year might look weaker than this past year?
spk06: I guess what I will say regarding that is first quarter, I kind of just a moment ago walked through the assumptions for the first quarter. And then for the second, third, and fourth quarters, our assumption is closer to flat on a combined basis for the seasonal and transient. That is somewhat different than our past experience. I think that we've talked a lot about the lack of visibility that we have into the transient business as a result of the significant amount of revenue that's earned and booked in a very short booking window. With respect to the seasonal, the first quarter is the lion's share of the seasonal rent. the remainder of the year, again, the second, third, and fourth quarters are closer to flat than we've had historically.
spk11: Okay. And it sounds like that's more just lack of visibility and no reason to reach. You know, you'd rather kind of bump as the year progresses rather than cut. Is that the right way to think about that?
spk06: You know, I don't know that it's so much trying to manage expectations as it is acknowledging kind of what we've seen in in terms of the volatility in the business over the last couple of years.
spk02: Okay. All right. Thank you.
spk05: Thanks, Jamie.
spk02: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Eric Wolf from Citi. Your question, please.
spk14: Good morning. Thanks. I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you expect around $100 million of free cash flow this year. I was just curious if you could tell us how much you expect to spend in non-revenue producing CapEx to get to that number. And then as far as the revenue producing CapEx this year, if you could give us a sense for that expected spend and the incremental return.
spk06: I'll do the first part, Eric. So to come to the $100 million, we have an assumption of $85 million of spend in recurring CapEx.
spk10: And maybe, Patrick, you could touch on the rest.
spk15: Yeah, I mean, let me just walk through our total CapEx spend. Paul just touched on the recurring piece. And recurring for us really is about a third of our total spend falls into two buckets, asset preservation and improvements and renovations. The next bucket for us is property upgrades and development. That's a little bit more than half the spend, and I just point out that that includes hurricane capex, and we'll footnote that in our disclosures, but important to keep in mind. And then the balance would be revenue producing, expansion and development, property upgrades and repositioning. And the last bucket is site development, and that is about 10% of our total spend. And that's going to be with respect to improvements to site new homes in our MH communities. The developments, I'll touch on that from a view of the current year and then what we think we see coming up in, I guess, the view of the last year and the view of the current year, 2024. We delivered just shy of 1,000 sites for the full year. That was in line with expectations. Just a reminder, our yields on those projects from a stabilized basis tend to be in the high single digits to low double-digit yields. That mix was about one-third MH and two-third RV. As we look forward to 2024, we believe we're in a position to deliver in the neighborhood of 1,000 sites again. but that will be more evenly balanced between MH and RV. At least that's the visibility we have at this point.
spk14: Yeah, that's very helpful. Thanks for the detail. So I guess my follow-up there is just, you know, if you think about just an average year, is there any way to sort of quantify, you know, how much that spend is sort of contributing to the same store versus maybe the spend that's not contributing being capitalized? Just trying to understand how it impacts earnings in a typical year.
spk06: Yeah, I think, Eric, in terms of the growth, if you want to think about it that way, inside the core portfolio, there's an incremental contribution that we've seen in the, call it 30 to 40 basis points. year to year, and then overall in terms of core NOI, you know, it's a few percentage points in terms of the portion of NOI that is generated by those expansions. Appreciate, though, that I'm talking about expansions that aren't fully stabilized. I mean, Patrick was giving stabilized yields, and it takes, you know, several years for those projects to reach a stabilized level.
spk01: Got it. Thank you.
spk05: Thank you.
spk02: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith from UBS. Your question, please.
spk13: Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Morning, Marguerite. What are the factors that keep the property management and G&A expense essentially flat in 2024 when accounting for the accelerated vesting of stock-based compensation in 2023?
spk06: Yeah, it's primarily, as I mentioned in my remarks, primarily administrative and payroll expenses, Michael, just managing those closely.
spk13: Yeah, got it. So it seems like despite wage growth in line with CPI, you're still able to offset that through other angles, or is it just reduced payroll within property management and G&A?
spk06: I think that we've been efficient with respect to our staffing, and I think that it's just reflected in the projection for next year.
spk10: And driven by those administrative fees that Paul mentioned.
spk13: Got it. And then there may be more anecdotes of municipalities becoming more accepting of adding MH communities as a component of affordable housing. Have you seen any change in the tone from the municipalities around MH? And then this is also an election year. Does a change in administration have any impact on the potential supply and demand for your properties?
spk10: Yeah, you know, I'll take the second question first, and with respect to the election cycle, you know, we have looked over the years at whether or not, you know, we see any change in the environment as a result of either a change at the federal level or at each individual state, and we really haven't seen much, and I don't anticipate seeing much in this coming year. As it relates to municipalities, You know, we continue to work with municipalities on conversions of vacant land to MH and RV. We haven't seen an uptick in activity where we've seen resistance. We're continuing to see resistance, and where we were able to be successful, we've continued to develop the land. We're not seeing what we would see as a widespread acceptance of the development permits, but that may change in the coming years.
spk13: Thank you very much. Good luck in 2024.
spk05: Thanks, Michael.
spk02: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question. comes from the line of Samir Kunal from Evercore ISI. Your question, please.
spk04: Hi, good morning. I guess, Paul, you talked about seasonal business, but looking at, is there a way to sort of break that down into, you know, the transient business here on the RV side? And how should we think about that over the course of the year? I guess, what are you assuming for transient? I mean, you were down about 11%, I think, in 23%. So is this a business that sort of turns positive at this point in 24? Help us think through this process.
spk06: Well, I guess generally speaking, given the building blocks for Q1, so you can see what the combined seasonal and transient is. And again, the first quarter is the largest quarter in terms of that seasonal business. So it's far more modest in the remainder of the year. the transient and seasonal combined, as I said earlier, we essentially have a close to flat assumption for quarters two, three, and four.
spk04: Right, but it's sort of you're saying seasonal slash transient. I was trying to dig more into the transient business, right? Yeah.
spk06: Yeah, sorry, Samira. I guess, you know, in our view, given the Given the volatility that we've seen, there's been consistency in how we've talked about seasonal and transient together. And so that's how we've presented the information.
spk04: Okay. Okay. And then I guess my second question is on, I don't think we've touched on this, but insurance renewals. I know it's an April 1 sort of date that you have, but maybe talk around sort of conversations you've had with providers and what's sort of embedded in the guidance. Thanks.
spk10: Sure. So you're right that our property level insurance policies renew on April 1st of this year. Our claims experience has been good so far this policy year, which is a positive. We have built in an assumption into our guidance, but continue to work with our carriers on the renewal. And at this point, we're not disclosing what's in guidance as we're still negotiating that. We have no indications that coverage will be an issue and we'll continue and with our past practice of updating on our next call.
spk01: Okay. Thank you.
spk05: Thank you.
spk02: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Robin Liu from Green Street. Your question, please.
spk08: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. On property taxes, I think you mentioned earlier that some of the Florida counties saw higher values from trades in the last few years, which is obviously a trend that you probably saw in other markets. Can you probably sort of give us an update on whether there are other markets where you are concerned about the tax headwind as well?
spk06: Well, I mentioned taxes. I mentioned two of the counties. We also had some impact in Sarasota County, so Charlotte, Lee, and Sarasota counties were three counties in Florida that were significant. In terms of other areas of the country, if that's the direction of your question, we've seen less exposure or less activity in the way of increased assessed values in other parts of the country. It's primarily Florida that's driving the change that we see.
spk08: Thank you. And then on the transaction market, can you provide an update on what you're seeing now in terms of cap rates across the three segments?
spk10: Sure. Sure, Robin. So in 2023, there were really very few deals on the market. As I think you saw we only closed on one transaction We're active in the market market talking to owners and we have not seen a lot of stress in the market Sellers have generally have very conservative balance sheets and they have their ability to take time on a transaction You know, I'd say if you kind of broaden the time period out to the last 18 to 24 months the cap rates are ranging from 4% to 6% based on the quality of the property, with very high-quality, age-qualified MH trading much more aggressively. So not a lot of data points out there, but I anticipate that that may change in 2024.
spk08: I know that a sizable MH portfolio traded at the end of last year. Did you, by any chance, participate in that?
spk10: Well, you know, it's a very small industry, so we are knowledgeable about all the transactions and look at all the deals that are in and around the industry. But, you know, when we close on something, we announce a closing and don't really talk about what we're looking at as we roll through the process.
spk08: All right. Thank you. Thanks for your time. Thanks, Robin.
spk02: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of John Kim from BMO Capital Markets. Your question, please.
spk05: Good morning.
spk03: I wanted to ask about transient revenue. I know you're saying it's flat. There's maybe some lower visibility. The number of transient sites went up. sequentially by about 5% and year-over-year by about 2%. I know that number could jump around quite a bit, but is there a reason why the transient revenue shouldn't grow by this amount, just given the number of sites available have increased?
spk06: Part of the transient site change is from an expansion that we have in Florida. And it's at a newer property that we acquired, so that's flowing through the non-core rather than the core. That's, I think, roughly half of the transient site increase that we saw. And then the other component of the transient site increase is shifting of sites that had been occupied as annuals in the quarter and we anticipate that those annuals will renew as we head back into the spring season. So they're not expected to remain transient sites for a long period of time. It's typical for us at the end of the year to have a decline in transient sites and then refill those sites in the, these are northern properties that I'm referring to, refill those sites next year as the spring season starts.
spk03: Okay, that makes sense. I just had a Second question on your FAB adjustments. The first part of that was non-revenue-enhancing CapEx. I think, Paul, you mentioned $85 million of recurring CapEx. What do you expect this year? Is that the same number on an apples-to-apples basis versus the $99.8 million VAT adjustment? And the second part is the announcement you made last week on the change on membership upgrade sales. from a cash basis that you had previously on non-GAAP measures. Is this something that we should be contemplating adding back to ASFO, and is that something that should be added back to your FAD, and if not, why not?
spk10: Why don't I take the membership, and then, Paul, you can address the first part. But just from an operational standpoint and a cash flow standpoint, we're really in the exact same position with respect to the membership upgrades. So our view is, you know, it doesn't impact valuation and it doesn't impact the operations of the company. So we're in the same position and we provide, I don't know the page, I think it's page 15, provides the detail on the membership upgrades just like we have in the past. And then Paul, maybe.
spk06: And then on the recurring capex, yes, the $85 million is comparable to the $100 million total that we reported for 2023. Okay.
spk03: On the membership upgrade sales, is there any risk to that income stream once you get it? Do you ever return that capital back to members for any reason?
spk05: No, it is non-refundable.
spk02: Great. Thank you.
spk05: Thanks, John.
spk02: Thank you, Arne. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of David Tote from Collier's Securities. Your question, please.
spk07: Thank you. I just had a quick question. It seemed that the average price of the homes that were sold in the period were lower on average, and there was a bit of inventory buildup from last year. Would you say that these are ongoing signs of pressure in that segment, or are these aberrational in quarters?
spk15: Yes, Patrick, I wouldn't say it's ongoing signs of pressure. And maybe I'll just touch on leads have been consistent and that the fundamentals of our core customer have been remarkably stable. The average age of a new home buyer for us is 60. FICO scores are consistently over 700. One thing I'll point out, and this is a little bit of a change that occurred through COVID, is that we're getting more direct purchases from people who have relocated from out of state. That's running at about 30% of our new home sales. Pre-COVID, it was around 20%. So it's not like a gargantuan shift, but nevertheless, it has been a shift in behavior. And overall, the core customer has been consistently stable, and I feel like the demand has been very consistent.
spk07: And I just have one follow-up question, which is in terms of home sales and renters, do you know the conversion ratio or the renters that you capture with home sales?
spk15: Yeah, it's between 20% and 25% of our home sales. are to current residents. Now, that typically is a renter, but it can also include existing homeowners who are either looking to scale up to a more highly amenitized house, or maybe they're looking for a more manageable space and moving down to a smaller home.
spk10: And that's a very important lead flow for us that I think the team's done a great job of capitalizing on over the last four or five years and focusing on the existing residents and customers that are in our properties on a shorter-term basis and getting them to convert. So we've been successful in doing that over the last few years.
spk07: Excellent.
spk02: That's been very helpful. Thank you.
spk05: Thanks, David.
spk02: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question is a follow-up from the line of Jamie Feldman from Wells Fargo. Your question, please.
spk11: Great, thanks. I was just looking for some more detail on the Marina rank growth assumptions. I know it sits within the Marina and RV line, but can you talk more about how the growth for Marina specifically compares to your full year outlook for the two combined and just any color you can provide on maybe what you think changes next year versus this year?
spk15: Yeah, sure. I mean, I'll touch on what we're seeing in the business, and maybe Paul follows up on anything that's more relevant to guidance. But the performance of the Marina portfolio for us has been very consistent. It's overwhelmingly annual for our slip revenue. It's almost 100%. And those are long-term customers that are typically with us in very similar trends to what we see on annual RV. Our boat launches for the full year have been consistent. So that's evidencing consistent demand from our core customer that they continue to get out on the water with their family and friends. And our rate growth has been reflective of the market and consistent. We don't really see any headwinds that would be a challenge to that business or at least don't currently see any.
spk11: Okay, thank you. And then was there – Paul, were you able to comment on the guidance piece?
spk06: Oh, it's essentially right in line with our expectations for the annual RV. There's not much differential between the rate increase in the RV or the marine space from what we see.
spk11: Okay. And then I appreciate your color on the transaction market. Can you talk about, I mean, you bought one RV. I know it's a small deal, but can you talk about yields on that and maybe there's more opportunities in RV? And then also pricing on marinas, you know, where would you say cap rates are generally and you think there's more opportunity in those two property types versus MH in 24?
spk10: Yeah, I mean, on the RV that we bought in the year with a, is roughly a five cap, you know, it's a small property. I would say that, you know, as you look to the marina space, there's a wide disparity in cap rates based on the location. So it's hard to pin one down. There also haven't been a lot of transactions. So it's difficult to find a data point that's relevant. So I think, you know, you'd look to in terms of where we're interested in buying assets around assets we already own because those are the locations we want to be in. And I think you'll see us continue to work on acquisitions in those areas. And I think I guess 2024 time will tell how the cap rates come out and whether or not sellers are willing to sell at this point.
spk11: Okay. If I could just sneak in one quick one, GSE financing rates, where would you peg them today on MH?
spk06: On a secure basis? They're probably at the lower end of the range that I quoted for us as a borrower. So I quoted 5.5 to 6.25 for 10-year. Generally, a sponsor like ELS does command preferred pricing. So I'd peg it probably 5.5, 5.75. Okay. All right. Thank you.
spk05: Thanks, Jamie.
spk01: Thank you. One moment for our next question.
spk02: And our next question is a follow-up from the line of Eric Wolf from Citi. Your question, please.
spk14: Thanks. Actually, Nick here with Eric. Marguerite, I'm just curious how you're thinking about the Florida exposure and capital allocation there going forward. Obviously, you've had higher insurance and the real estate taxes, but are you thinking of those as more transitory headwinds or is it something more permanent that goes into underwriting and maybe changes some of your priorities there?
spk10: Sure, Nick. Thanks. I think Florida is really high in demand as you think about it across the United States. There are people who are just flooding to Florida. There's about 22 million people that live there. you know, third most populous state and I think was the fastest growing state last year. And really a large portion of the population is our age demographic of 55 plus. And then, you know, it also offers a favorable tax climate. And then, of course, you know, the chance to get out of the northern winters. So, you know, our view on Florida is very positive. It's where people want to be, and we'll continue to invest there. And as you look at, and it's actually the NOI chart that Citi compiles each year, it shows our average NOI as a company for the last 20 years and how we compare favorably to the REIT industry. And then when you consider in only Florida in that analysis, we've really shown that we're doing better than our overall NOI just in Florida. So we're long in Florida.
spk14: Yeah, that makes sense. I guess it's the go forward if insurance costs or real estate taxes keep outpacing elsewhere. Does that impact NOI growth in Florida going forward, recognizing how much demand you're seeing there?
spk10: Right. I think, as Paul mentioned about the real estate tax and the ability to pass through, that's always been a really positive thing for us in the state, primarily because the residents are able to go with us to the tax assessor to talk about the impact. That's a very powerful message. So that helps to keep tax rates in check. And with respect to insurance, We have seen times where there's been an increase in insurance premiums, and then there's a moderation as storm events kind of moderate. So we'll be looking to see if we are able to take advantage of that. But the main thing as it relates to storms in Florida is After the storm clears, everyone's out and wants to get out there and be active in the Florida sunshine. So I think that will continue. Sounds good. That's very helpful. Thank you. Thank you, Nick.
spk02: Thank you. Since there are no further questions on the line at this time, this does conclude the question and answer session. And I'd like to hand the program back to Marguerite Nader for any further remarks.
spk09: Thank you all very much for joining today. We look forward to updating you on our next quarter's call. Take care.
spk02: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.
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