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Enerpac Tool Group Corp.
3/24/2021
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to InterPAC Tool Group's second quarter earnings conference call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterward, we will conduct a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone. If at any time during the conference you need to reach an operator, please press star zero. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded March 24, 2021. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Bobbi Belsner, Director of Investor Relations and Strategy. Please go ahead, Ms. Belsner.
Thank you, Operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Interpac Tool Group's second quarter fiscal 21 earnings conference call. On the call today to present the company's results are Randy Baker, President and Chief Executive Officer, Rick Dillon, Chief Financial Officer, and Jeff Schmaling, Chief Operating Officer. Also with us are Barb Bolins, Chief Strategy Officer, Fabrizetti, General Counsel, and Brian Johnson, Chief Accounting Officer. Our earnings release and slide presentation for today's call are available on our website at interpactoolgroup.com in the Investor section. We are also recording this call and will archive it on our website. During today's call, we will reference non-GAAP measures, such as adjusted profit margins and adjusted earnings. You can find a reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP measures in the schedules to this morning's release. We also would like to remind you that we will be making statements in today's call and presentation that are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements. We are making those statements pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of federal securities law. Please see our SEC filings for the risks and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from forecasts, anticipated results, or other forward-looking statements. Consistent with how we've conducted prior calls, we ask that you follow our one question, one follow-up practice in order to keep today's call to an hour and also allow us to address questions from as many participants as possible. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Now I will turn the call over to Randy.
Thanks, Bobby, and good morning, everybody. We're going to start today on slide three. Before we review the details in the quarter, I'd like to provide an overview of Interpac's progress in our recovery from the global pandemic. As always, safety is our number one concern for our employees worldwide. And as of today, we still have approximately 40% working from home offices. In the quarter, we were affected by regional spikes in the infection, resulting in full border closures in the Middle East. We responded by returning to the broad lockdown processes we've been using throughout the pandemic. Unfortunately, this did have an impact on our sales and slowed our recovery progress. Despite these factors, we were able to improve the performance in the quarter to near parity with our first quarter results. This is not our typical cycle within a fiscal year, as the second quarter is normally a low point for both sales and profit. Secondly, our cost efforts continue to support very positive decremental margins which are in line with our expectations of 35 to 45%. As I discussed in prior quarters, we have protected our ability to execute the long-term strategy, including new product development, sales coverage, and our capital allocation priorities. Our focus on the balance sheet has enabled us to pay down an additional $45 million in debt in the quarter, which further enhances the long-term performance of Interpac. Lastly, as we emerge from the pandemic, Interpac is focusing on developing and improving our company. We firmly believe without engaged, well-trained employees, we cannot successfully execute our strategy. With that in mind, we have launched programs to recruit, develop, and retain team members and ensure everyone is proud to be part of Interpac. Moving over to slide four. Our weekly and monthly sales is our most monitored metrics we use to understand the progression towards full recovery. And consistent with prior quarters, this chart provides a graphical representation of our normal operating range and the actual results experienced in the quarter. As you can see, the second quarter was firmly back within the operating range of a normal year with the upward trend we expect. We believe this progress will continue through the balance of the fiscal year and position Interpac at near normal levels as we progress through the third and fourth quarter. Now flipping over to slide five. As I mentioned earlier, the second quarter was essentially flat with our first quarter results. Core sales declined by 11% in the quarter, comprised of down 11% in products and 12% in service. The increased infection rate experienced in the quarter resulted in border closures in several Middle Eastern countries which slowed our recovery. Absent these factors, the top line would have been very close to achieving our prior year sales. Our adjusted EBITDA decremental margin was 29%. We're at the low end of our expected range. And year-to-date, we have achieved a 21% decremental result. Our focus on cost controls continues to pay dividends and help protect our ability to execute this strategy. Free cash flow in the quarter was positive, which is not the typical result for our second quarter. And on a year-to-date basis, we have improved our free cash flow by more than $40 million year-over-year. This enabled Interpac to pay down an additional $45 million in debt and access the quarter with a leverage of 2.1. Sales results varied by region, but were consistent with prior quarters. Europe and Asia Pacific have been our best performing regions in terms of consistency and progress towards normal sales volumes. The Americas improved sequentially during the quarter, but are still in the mid-teens decline versus prior year. And as earlier mentioned, mid-east operations was affected by border closures, which resulted in a decline year-over-year in the low double-digit range. Overall, we are progressing towards normal sales and operating ranges, and delivering increasing profitability. Now I'm going to turn the call over to Jeff and Rick and review the details on the quarter, and then I'll come back with the market projection and some forward guidance.
Jeff, over to you. Thanks, Randy. I'll add some detail on Q2 from a regional perspective as well as touch on some of our key verticals and distribution, and then I'll finish up on InterPAC operations and a few comments about the Cortland business. As a general comment, I think you'll see that this past quarter continues to confirm the significant differences in how our global markets are recovering, as well as how the various countries and regions we serve are responding to the continued challenges of this pandemic. Starting on slide six, in total we're pleased to see continued sequential year-over-year improvement in both product and service sales in the second quarter. Despite still being down year-over-year, we're encouraged by the feedback from our distributors about their businesses and the strong quoting activity that we're seeing in our primary markets. We'll start with the Americas. And as I said, dealer sentiment has turned noticeably more positive, and there's a general consensus that most will be getting back to pre-COVID activity levels in the coming months. We saw an increase in overall in stocking orders in both January and February, and another decline in our dropship rates, which further confirms that our dealer's confidence is improving. We're also seeing some positive indicators from our OEMs and national account business, and we did see a sequential increase in our backlog for these accounts in the quarter, which is starting to look more like our normal pre-COVID levels. The severe weather that caught Texans by surprise in February also contributed to some missed product and service revenues around the Gulf. Some of these issues, however, coupled with the continuing strength in oil prices may offer some opportunities to recover some of this as we move into the third quarter. Looking at our vertical markets, general construction and power gen, specifically wind, continue to improve in the U.S., as well as growing demand in mining in western Canada and our oil sands customers. Strong copper and iron ore pricing and demand continues to give our mining distributors opportunities in Chile, Peru, and Brazil. However, we are continuing to struggle a bit with COVID restrictions in Mexico. Our ability to visit customer sites and dealers is slowly improving, and we're anxious to continue to ramp up once the vaccination efforts and reopenings continue to get more traction. Moving on to Europe, coming off a strong first quarter in Europe, we were off slightly year over year in the second quarter. but the region turned in a solid performance driven by both general distribution on core products, as well as some nice project wins in heavy lifting and machining. Various headwinds from continued COVID restrictions and some challenges related to Brexit did cause some minor delays in late quarter shipments, but we expect these to ease as the various countries sort through these new regulations. Taking a look at our key markets in Europe, we do continue to see strong quoting and wins in wind and infrastructure projects, especially in bridge construction and repair. Government spending in this sector is expected to remain robust, and we are well positioned to capture more of this work in the back half, primarily in our lifting and torque and tension products. I'd normally not go into too much detail on this call about specific winds in the quarter, but I've included a picture here on the Dardanelles Bridge project near Istanbul to give you a glimpse of the kind of project that gets us really excited. Enerpac's supply of heavy cylinders, pumps, and controls will enable the construction of what will be the longest suspension bridge in the world, connecting both sides of the Dardanelles Strait. The bridge will carry three lanes of highway traffic in each direction and is slated to open in late 2023. While this project is not really material from the total company sales perspective, this project does show our strong capabilities with unique customer solutions to challenging problems and is really a good example of the type of work that an increase in infrastructure spending could bring in for us. Moving on to APAC, this region has faced multiple stops and starts as it relates to market recovery due to the ongoing border lockdowns. China remains fairly stable, and Australia, along with New Zealand, are showing signs of improvement due to their quick response to infection flare-ups. Conversely, Southeast Asia continues to struggle and be a challenge, particularly in Malaysia and Thailand, with lockdowns that just recently started to lift. I previously mentioned strong iron ore pricing, and that's also driving some strength for us in mining in Australia. Investments in wind and power gen are providing some tailwinds as well for us, and oil prices are driving some improving sales and quoting on both products and services in this region. Moving on to slide seven and turning to our MENAC region, overall, we did see sequential improvement for the quarter. We actually had a pretty strong quarter going until early February when, as Randy mentioned, COVID spikes forced several border closings into some key areas of the Middle East. This did cause several projects to be suspended and pushed out some meaningful service and product revenue from our quarter. Despite the efforts of our team to utilize resources, we also saw a drop-off of our quick-turn work as well, which led to some unexpected underutilizations. This has moved some projects to the right into the back half of the year and other projects completely out of the fiscal year. That being said, improved oil price and the continuation of OPEC's January production cuts may offer us some opportunities to supply crews at relatively short notice, so we're staying close to our customers to take advantage of any emergent work as it comes up. From the product perspective in this region, we've been working hard and diversifying our exposure beyond oil and gas. and I'm really heartened by some success recently related to both product and service work in the PowerGen space, as well as improved quoting and construction, rail, and aerospace. As we've progressed through the early part of Q3 here, we have begun to see some meaningful year-over-year improvement in our product order rates. Switching from regions to new products, we like to talk about new products, and Q2 was another strong quarter for new product development as we launched several products and maintained our NPVI metrics at our 10% target for the sixth consecutive quarter. Our Q2 launch event included not only several marketing programs and collateral to get our customers and dealers engaged, but we're also continuing to increase the number of languages and translations that we can leverage common materials in more parts of the world to drive pre-orders and get our partners trained up on our new offerings. Just a couple of comments on our global operations. All of our sites continue to navigate the complexities of operating during a pandemic really well, continuing to deliver on our commitments to safety, quality, and on-time delivery, which were all positives for the quarter. As volume returns to a normalized level, we remain focused on utilization, which improved as we progressed through the quarter. On our earnings call back in December, we talked about the fact that we did not roll out our typical September 1 price increases last year, but given the steady increase in both commodities and our freight costs, we will be taking pricing here in Q3 in all of our regions. Speaking on our supply chain and inventory, as we enter the back half of the year, we're clearly expecting increased demand for our core products. And just as we did at the start of the pandemic, our supply chain and operations teams are working extremely hard to ensure our inventories match our outlook. And we're staying ahead of lead times with our main suppliers to ensure we can continue to support our customers and win orders. In this tightening supply chain environment, we are again threading the needle a bit to make sure we have the right products on the shelves, but also that we don't burden the balance sheet with any excess inventory where it's not needed. And now switching to the Cortland business, we experienced another quarter of sequential improvement with the combined business down 21% year over year versus the 35% down we saw last quarter. I touched a little bit on the weather issues in Texas, and that definitely impacted the industrial ropes portion of the Cortland business in the quarter. We're encouraged, however, by the increased port activity we're seeing now as a signal that overall activity is returning to a normalized level. and we're seeing some nice opportunities in heavy lift for offshore renewables. I'm pleased to report that the COVID-related production challenges we talked about in our last call have been resolved, and we look forward to growth in the back half of this fiscal year. In terms of the medical side of the business, we did see an increase in activity starting in January as customers began to replenish their inventories, and our relocation activities into our new Cortland, New York facility were completed. We expect the sales uptick in February to continue as we move into the second half, and we're really excited about the future of the med business and our efforts to continue to diversify our customer base that were bolstered by some nice wins this past quarter that put us into some new applications, new customers, and leveraging our expertise. With that, I'll turn the call over to Rick for some financials.
Thanks, Jeff. Good morning, everyone. I'll start with a quick recap here on slide eight. Fiscal 2021 second quarter sales increased slightly when compared to the first quarter and were down 11% from the prior year. Core tools product sales were down 10%, and that's an improvement from down 14% in the first quarter. Service was down 12% compared to down 24% in the first quarter. And Cortland sales were down 21%, so $2 million. versus down 35% in the first quarter. We had an approximately $3 million impact from our acquisition of HTL. The adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 10%, and that's down from 12% reported in the first quarter and in the prior year. The adjusted tax rate for the quarter was 16%, which is up slightly from the prior year. We expect our full-year adjusted effective tax rate to be in the range of 20% to 25%. So let's turn to slide nine. Jeff already covered what we're seeing by region, and I'll just make a few additional comments here. We had a favorable $3 million impact from foreign currency with the continued weakening of the dollar during the quarter. If current FX rates hold, we would expect to see continued tailwinds from currency in the back half of the year as well. As Jeff discussed, our service sales were impacted by border closing in our MNAC region. Those closings had an impact for the region of about $5 million, and that includes $3 million from the delay of service project revenue in the quarter. It is important to note here that but for the impact, we would have reported service revenues on parity with our 2020 results. This is a good indicator of recovery as the second quarter revenues in both fiscal 21 and fiscal 20 exclude the large projects that were included. As a reminder, Q2 is historically our lowest quarter and Q3 is usually our strongest quarter. Q3 2020 was also the trough in terms of COVID impact on our results with core sales down 38% year over year. As we look at the pace of recovery going forward, we would expect to see accelerated sequential quarterly and year over year growth in the back half of the year as we anniversary our worst two COVID impacted quarters. So, moving on to adjusted EBITDA in the waterfall on slide 10. As we have noted, our decremental margin excluding the impact of currency was 29% and continues to reflect the improved leverage that our lower cost structure provides as sequential volumes increase. We anticipate incremental margins in the back half will in turn be at the high end of our stated range of 35 to 45%. As we have seen through the pandemic, lower product sales volume continues to weigh heavily on our adjusted EBITDA margins. The impact of service sales was offset by a favorable mix, with service margins up about 400 basis points year over year. As we continue to focus globally on higher value added and more profitable service work, Manufacturing variances this quarter totaled approximately $1 million, and that's down from the 6 million reported in Q1. It is comprised of three elements, service utilization, increased freight costs, and underabsorption at our Portland facilities on the lower sales volume that Jeff just discussed. We have worked to stabilize our tools manufacturing facilities with minimal COVID disruptions in the quarter, and as a result, you did not see the $3 million of underabsorption reflected in the first quarter. Our service underutilization is about $500,000, and that's down from the 2 million we saw in our first quarter and consistent with our expectations on service coming into the quarter. As Jeff discussed, as we manage our service recovery through the pandemic, we have been closely monitoring projects and timing of our labor mobilization, which has allowed us to right-size our permanent and temporary labor resources for existing demand. Our second quarter air freight spend was about $1 million. This is up from the 800,000 we incurred in the first quarter on both volume and rates. With our increase in demand, we had more air freight in the quarter. Air freight rates remain at two times normal levels, and we expect this to continue through our fiscal year end. We continue to see rising commodity costs and particularly steel and aluminum. And with rising demand, suppliers are now seeking price increases. we expect to see a two to 3% increase in steel machine parts or 200 to 600,000 increase in costs. Although aluminum prices have increased approximately 60% since the beginning of our fiscal year, we have negotiated aluminum driven cost increases in the three to 6% range with our suppliers, which will limit the impact on our spend in the back half of the year. As Jeff noted, we are moving ahead with targeted pricing actions in all regions that will pass through these inflationary costs. As we discussed last quarter, we are winding down our temporary COVID cost actions with savings of approximately $1 million in the quarter, and that's split evenly between international government stimulus funds and remaining international furloughs. SGA favorability includes both reduced travel costs and outside consulting. We expect travel costs to continue to fluctuate as sales and commercial activities expands or retracts by region. EBITDA margins also reflect that we reinstated our bonus plan and 408 match this quarter. The combined impact resulted in an increase of about $3 million in expense year over year. While the bonus impact is oversized in terms of historical expense at this level of EBITDA, it is important for us to recognize the tremendous commitment of our employees during the crisis. Our previously announced restructuring actions resulted in approximately $3 million in savings for the second quarter. Turning now to liquidity on slide 11. We generated just over $1 million in free cash flow during the quarter, and this was the first time we generated free cash flow in our second quarter in over five years. A $4 million increase due to timing in receivables was offset by an increase in payables. We were able to hold inventory flat, striking a balance between increasing demand and working capital management. As we look to the back half of the year, we will continue to monitor inventory levels, but do anticipate increased levels in the third quarter in conjunction with the increasing demand. We ended the quarter with $115 million in cash on hand. and that's after paying down $45 million of our borrowings under the revolving credit agreement. Our leverage is at 2.1, and that's up from the 1.9 at the end of the first quarter. We are pleased with where we sit from a cash and liquidity perspective. As we progress through the back half of the year, our leverage should improve significantly as we drop off our worst two COVID-impacted quarters from our trailing 12-month EBITDA. This should position us well as we look to continue our strategy execution and discipline capital allocation. Randy, I'll turn it back over to you now.
Thanks, Rick. Let's turn over to slide 12. As we think about the balance of the year and our progress towards normal sales volumes and profitability, we've come to the conclusion that both economics and the sequential improvement will position Interpac at near parity with our 2019 core sales levels as we exit the fiscal year. Secondly, we fully expect incremental margins to be in the range of 35 to 45% on core sales. And lastly, we will continue to focus on cost control and executing our margin expansion strategy. All the current economic outlooks are pointing towards full recovery as we exit the fiscal year and support our forward projections. This is further supported by our booked orders, which have increased sequentially and are up 15% in the first few weeks of March. As always, we are cautious concerning the potential resurgence of the virus. However, the advent of a wide distribution of vaccines is creating our sense of optimism. Moving over to slide 13. This brings us to our projections for the remainder of fiscal 2021. We are projecting sales to be in the range of 280 to 290 million with accelerating sequential improvement. We're projecting the growth rates In the back half of the year as follows, products should be up in the mid-20% range, services projected to be up in the low to high 40% range, and Cortland is projected to improve by 20% to low 30%. Additionally, incremental margins should be at the high end of our normal range of 35% to 45%, benefiting from cost actions and the high gross profit generated from tool sales. Our assumptions remain consistent with our objectives to reduce interest expenses and maximize earnings. As with many companies, the road to recovery has been long, but our team has performed extraordinarily well under very difficult conditions. We have proven the strength and vitality of the Interpac tool group and to remain profitable even under the most difficult conditions. Interpac remains an industrial leader in high precision and quality tools with best-in-class operating results. And as you can see from our final slide, the four basic strategic objectives remain consistent, and we are highly committed to their achievement. Operator, with that, that concludes today's prepared remarks. Let's open it up for questions.
Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star followed by the number two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull up a question. Our first question comes from Mig Dobro with Baird. Please state your question.
Yes, good morning, everyone. It's Joe Grabowski. I'm from Mig this morning. Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for the guidance. Very helpful and a lot of color around it too. It's difficult looking at year over year right now because we're about to go against the toughest of the COVID shutdown. So I was looking at your guidance, second half 21 versus first half 21. And at the midpoint, it implies a 19% improvement, second half versus first half. The chart on slide four showed that there is seasonality and the sales do improve in a normal year from second half to first half, maybe 5% or 6%. But when you think about your businesses, your end markets, geography, second half versus first half, what are the key drivers for that 19% sequential second half improvement?
Let me cover the broad side and then Jeff, why don't you jump in on some specifics? But if you think about the percentage that I discussed of the back half growth rates of tool sales in the broad vertical markets we serve are key to our profitability because that's where the high growth profit comes from. And then certainly the full recovery of our service business, which includes the service rental. So, we're looking at all our major vertical markets. As Jeff mentioned, we're seeing great activity in civil construction, which includes bridge activity, bridge maintenance. We're seeing good activity in alternative energy markets. And we also see a very strong commodity market. And if you go backwards in time and think about when were the last times we saw commodity prices at this level, not specifically the oil and gas markets, which are certainly trending very well in the right direction. But if you also think about the base metals and agricultural products, it's all pointing in the right direction. So that's probably one of the macro drivers that I look at are the fundamentals supporting those growth rates, and we feel they are. And so that's the drivers there. And then, Jeff, do you want to jump in and give some more specifics?
Yeah, kind of leapfrogging onto your commodities story. Normally, as we enter Q3, we're starting to see ramp up in construction, especially infrastructure type work. So that's a normal sequential thing for us. But we're seeing increased activity after, frankly, kind of a quiet period we've been through during the pandemic. But And a lot of our OEMs that service a variety of verticals are seeing increased activity, as I spoke to in my comments as well. So infrastructure, especially in ESSA, I highlighted the bridge project, but there's an awful lot of those in our quote log as well. We're starting to see some improvement in that type of spending here in the U.S., although not nearly as much. enough quite yet. We're looking forward to some of that. But, yeah, overall, just an uptick in kind of all the prime verticals that we serve.
Great. Okay, that's really helpful, Culler. Thank you. And I guess my follow-up question, I'll kind of stick with the same math. If I look at EBIT second half versus first half, you know, rough math, it implies about a 17% EBIT margin in the second half. versus an 11% EBITDA in the first half. So pretty healthy incremental sequentially. Maybe just talk about some of the cost headwinds and the cost tailwinds that are maybe helping or hurting second half to first half to drive that EBITDA margin improvement.
Sure. I think, as we've been saying, I think the biggest tailwind will be improving product volume than so That's going to be the biggest driver to that improvement, first half, the second half. You'll see incremental bonus expense at some level, and you'll see a little bit of incremental savings. You know, we hope to get the benefit of continued improved utilization less under absorption like you saw in Q2. So I think the biggest, you know, Q1 to Q2, I think the biggest tailwind will be product volume. You know, you do have a mix play that will be favorable as the product volume kicks up. And, you know, that's going to be our biggest driver of improvement.
Got it. Okay. Thanks for taking my questions, guys. Good luck.
Our next question comes from Jeff Hammond with KeyBank Capital Markets. Please state your question.
Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning, Jeff. So just on, you know, I guess another cut at, you know, price-cost, I think, you know, you talked about air freight and manufacturing variances in the first half. How are you thinking about, you know, manufacturing variance in the second half? And then also, you know, You know, are you doing something to kind of shift away from this air freight issue over time?
Well, a couple of things. I think air freight is a bigger factor now because of the rise in demand. And it's not just our business. It's kind of global. And our managing our inventory levels. So, as I said on the call, you saw more in Q2 issues. You know, as we carefully balance inventory levels, you'll see a little bit more air freight than normal. I think over time you see, you know, as we've talked about, the goal is to minimize air freight and we've focused a lot on ourselves and ops planning to do that. This is an unusual period. because we're kind of threading the needle here on how much inventory you let back in without just opening the floodgates until we see kind of a sustainable level of normal demand that Randy talked about, which we think we'll get to by the end of the quarter. I think from a utilization and a cost perspective or absorption, we, you know, we still believe back half will have neutral to favorable absorption. As we look at our operating facility, certainly favorable front half to back half. And then the cost associated with that, as we talked about, we took the targeted pricing such that any incremental commodity slash rate, all of those inflationary costs would be covered by pricing. So that should be a net neutral from an EBITDA perspective.
Okay, and then just at a high level, I mean, you know, I think you seem to have line of sight to kind of get back to demand levels kind of pre-COVID and, you know, predating that, there were a lot of moving pieces with kind of, you know, restructuring, resizing the company for its simplification. Just maybe as you step back and look at the, you know, your structural cost base, you know, how are you feeling about, you know, as you get back to this, you know, more normal rate, you know, kind of, starting to get back on track to these long-term margin targets?
Sure. As we consistently talked about, structurally, taking the $33 million worth of cost out, we feel good about that. There will always be opportunities to continue to drive efficiency, and we continue to look at that. We really think from a margin perspective, This is really about volume. And I define it in two steps. First, getting back to kind of that normal flow, which would take us back to, you know, when we set the margin target, take us back to that $600 million in top line. And we view that as market recovery. And then leveraging our growth on top of that, which is driven by NPD, which is driven by focus on value added and service work and rental, we believe those two as kind of the final steps to getting to that 25%. You know, if the recovery continues, the sooner we get to this $600 million mark, you've got margins in excess of 20%. Based on the work we've done, it should be in that 21 to 22, if not better. And then the further sequential improvement of volume is what drives us to the 25%. So we're still committed to our objectives. We think we've done all of the things we need to do. And, you know, a little bit of broken record. You see it in the quarters. You see it in the EBITDA margin improvements, first half, back half. we believe getting back to that normal run rate gets us to the 20% plus EBITDA margin and sets us up to drive the 25%.
Okay, thanks a lot.
Our next question comes from Brendan Popson with CJS Securities. Please state your question.
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to ask with your commentary on EBITDA on the back half of the year. Obviously, Q3 is typically strongest, but it sounds like you expect given the recovery, the sequential growth in the Q4. I just want to confirm that's the case. And then following up on that, you also had a comment that you expect to be at pre-COVID levels at the exit of the year. So I guess outside of any further hiccups, is that looking out beyond FY21, is that a good way to think about your revenue potential as we exit the year?
Yeah, that's exactly what we were inferring, is that, first of all, the sequential improvement will accelerate. And we're very happy with the inbound orders that we've seen to date in March. And one of the interesting elements that we're watching is that if you recall last year, the big drop-off didn't occur until the last week or so of March. And so the fact that we were already 15% up versus prior year in March is really supporting our projections that it's going to accelerate and we're going to have somewhat of an off cycle or a typical year where the third quarter is our peak followed by the fourth. We believe that that will be That cycle will not occur this year. That will be sequentially better each month and each quarter. And so if you think about the pressure wave that I gave you in the slides earlier on in our prepared remarks, that gives you the range of a normal operating year. And what we do is we look at the best months that have been achieved and the worst months achieved over a particular history of the company. And you can see we're back in that range. And the slope of that line has been accelerating. So we look at the economic reports. We look at our inbound book orders. We're looking at how well our factories are performing. And then we look at our major vertical markets that Jeff walked us through. And all of those factors bring us to the conclusion that the exit point of the year, we're back in business. And as Rick said, now that we've worked on our balance sheet very, very hard, We positioned this company very well to start accelerating our strategies, which is around certainly other things beyond just the organic growth story.
Just to add quickly here, when you look at the pressure wave on slide four in terms of how you should be thinking about Q3 versus Q4, Q3 obviously normally has that peak. You can see it on the pressure wave. This will be sequential improvement. If you look at that dotted line, it speaks clearly to order rates getting back to kind of normal by the time you get to the end of our Q4. So by normal, we mean back into the pressure wave. And, you know, that's our expectation. So your question of the continued sequential improvement, as Randy described, you can also see it on this slide.
Okay, great. Thank you. Appreciate the call.
Our next question comes from Anne Dwingman with J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Hi. Good morning. I'd like to just go back to price-cost, if we could. Can you talk about the pricing that you said you've issued this quarter? Is that just on products going through distribution? Is it on all products? Is it on all products and services? And how much did you increase pricing by? I'm trying to get a sense of how much pricing will contribute to the guidance you gave for decrementals, incrementals.
So I view this as similar to what we did back when we were looking at tariffs. These were targeted pricing. for targeted products that are specifically impacted by the costs we're seeing. So it wasn't across the board. As we talked with the tariffs, it's, you know, anywhere from, let's call it 1% to as high as 4%. But again, it's specific to the cost impacting those products. So when you think about, you know, read-through of pricing, you know, on a net basis, you know, what I said earlier was this will, Pricing will offset costs, and we'll continue to look here in the back half, you know, what pricing looks like going forward to generate that normal read-through of roughly 1% that we would take on an annual basis. But these actions are cost-specific, and it'll net neutral for the back half of the year.
And I appreciate that. I guess my follow-up is along the same lines. On the cost side, then, I'm assuming, though, that you had purchased a lot of your steel and a lot of your aluminum earlier before prices got to where they are today. So you may be price-cost neutral for the next quarter or two quarters based on your forecast, but for how long will the current pricing cover you in terms of neutral into next year's would that further price increases?
Well, what's a little bit different this year than maybe historically is while we do have some of the steel or machined parts, I should say, purchased, we're not sitting nearly anywhere near the inventory levels that we've historically had. So the numbers I gave are kind of back half focus with, the price really being taken to offset those costs. So at some point, should prices go down or when prices go down, there will be a benefit. But right now, we're really factoring in how we're going to manage this, the cost associated with bringing inventories back up both to meet demand and then on a go-forward basis, we've been talking about sales and ops planning So our purchases will be much closer to demand than you've historically seen, and you should see the lower inventory levels accordingly.
Okay, that's helpful. I appreciate that. And then just a quick follow-up on cash flow. Would you expect cash flow to be negative in Q3? Just giving comments and adding inventory, et cetera, just unseasonably, but the first half was unseasonable also.
Right. We didn't provide the guide on cash and I think you hit it because we really have to monitor inventory and have to monitor demand and the timing of the demand through the Q3, Q4. As we talked about earlier, you definitely see an accelerating demand as we approach the end of Q4. So, you know, this is about working capital, which will be the biggest driver. Obviously, you want to get lots of saveability from the EBITDA, but the working capital is going to be carefully managed. So, it's hard to say, you know, what that'll look like on a quarter-by-quarter basis.
Okay. I appreciate that. I'll get back in queue. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Dean Dre with RBC. Please state your question.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
Good morning.
Hey, can we circle back on the impact of the extreme weather in Texas? You said there were some missed business opportunities, interruptions. Can you quantify that? How much was recruited in the quarter? How much do you think in the coming quarter that will contribute in terms of a catch-up? And are there any new construction opportunities that will come out of it? We're hearing lots of investment in hardening of the grid and the wind turbines. Any new opportunities that are going to come out of that for you guys?
Sure. I'll start with impact on the quarter. From a quarter perspective, I would say roughly call it a million dollars top line. somewhere in there. So, and it's definitely a flip between Q2, Q3, Q4, likely Q3. So, not a huge impact, but an impact nonetheless, because the margin flow through on those products, you know, on that work is pretty good. So, that's what we see in terms of impact timing. It is a flip between Q2, Q3. We did start to see That will come back online as we kind of navigate it through the quarter. So, you know, that's how we think about the impact from the weather in Texas. Jeff, do you want to talk about opportunities?
Yeah. Again, just mainly what was impacted was some labor, some jobs that we were scheduled to go out on and we didn't. primarily the biggest from a margin impact was the lack of rentals. You know, we normally rent quite a bit of tooling out of our Deer Park facility, which obviously didn't go out. It had a little bit of logistics impact. We couldn't get trucks in and out, you know, where we needed to to ship some products, but I guess the impact on product was relatively minor. In terms of going forward, yeah, I think a lot of it's going to come back to perhaps plus some in Q3 here. We're already seeing our rentals start to pick up, our requests for a little longer-term rental on equipment pick up. And to your question specifically, we are seeing some opportunities, you know, for some repair and some strengthening of the grid down there. So, you know, probably primarily a Q3 impact on the plus side.
All right. That's good to hear. And I apologize if you said this and I missed it. The uptick in orders for March at 15% is pretty impressive. And any way you would break that out in terms of geographies, business verticals, just additional color there. I think since that is we're at this pivot point now, anything that we can gauge that would be helpful.
Let me just start off with it's very broad. It's what we needed to see. A lot of good regional improvement. And Jeff, do you want to jump in then?
Yeah, I mean, that's the highlight of that one. It's across a lot of verticals. It's across a lot of regions, and it includes, you know, orders from distribution. So the fact that we can't pinpoint one big contributor overall is good news for me, that it is a little more widespread positive uptick.
And that also includes geographies?
Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, great. Yep. Okay. That's good to say. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks, Dean.
Our next question comes from Michael McGinn with Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
Hey, good morning, everybody. Morning. I just want to start off by saying as a native central New Yorker, it's not every day you hear about incremental manufacturing investment into Cortland, New York. So appreciate that. Um, My first question relates to the long-term growth algorithm you guys have stated. With leverage now in a reasonable place, historically your focus on M&A has been addressing different geographies within tooling like the Larsup brand. Going forward, do you still think there's room for regional geographic expansion, or is this a different model where maybe you're looking to get closer to the factory floor with tooling and automation or anything that stands out for you guys right now?
Let me just try to recap some of the things we've talked about in the past and then bring it back to your question about geography. The main thing that we focused on has been the verticals and then the associated tools that go with those vertical markets. So things that have been highly interesting to us in our last acquisition, which is essentially just a year ago, that was based in the torque and tension markets, which are we thought was a great fit to expand our tool platforms, and we've already seen the benefits of that acquisition of expanding our torque wrench product lines. We now have a full three-tiered product line, and I believe that that has been a very good acquisition. So that's a good example of how we view it, both from a vertical market we intend to participate more in, and then the types of tools that go into that vertical market And so things for us right now, obviously torque tension, handheld tensioning devices are still very interesting. Cutting and bending devices are also very interesting. And then the peripheral tools that are in general industrial markets like aerospace are also quite interesting. And then to directly answer your question relative to the geography, as we've said in the past, we believe a brand in the Asia Pacific market at some point would be very valuable. And that's really the last major geographic move we need to make would be in Asia-Pacific manufactured brands.
Great. Appreciate it. And then moving on to the margins, I know a lot has been discussed already, but if I back into the numbers, I'm coming up with something like you're probably going to have to breach that 20% operating margin threshold within ITS by the fourth quarter. I just want to make sure I have that correct because that's on par with similar prior peaks. And maybe can you help us frame what the margin differential from your new product development efforts have been under the 80-20 simplification versus, you know, SKUs that you've kind of have been rolling off the platform in terms of legacy products that are maybe lower margin that you've offered previously?
I think from a margin perspective relative to the Q3, Q4 progression, I think we're saying when we end the Q4, we'll have an order rate that supports a 20, at least 20% margin run rate going forward. So that's how we're describing our progression through the back half of the year. Jeff, do you want to talk about NPD and margins there?
Yeah. I mean, certainly as we develop new products, our target is always to be at least that line average and hopefully a little bit above if they're really new and innovative products. So I don't see any interruption in that as we continue to launch new products. So certainly the intent is for all those to be incremental.
And, you know, with any NPD, you know, they don't always start at target, but you've had success in getting them there fairly quickly.
Okay. And then if I could sneak one more in on a more specific end market, rail has come up a couple times as an incremental opportunity. I just want to see, is this something where you're in the rail car manufacturing facilities on the track? Are you working in conjunction with like a Nordco Wabtec application? Or can you just kind of frame what your rail business is and what it looks like and who you compete with in that market?
Yeah, sure. Most of our activity is really on the rail side and the maintenance side of that system. We've got several specifically designed products to help maintain and install new rail and things like that. The competitors in that space, kind of our normal hydraulic competitors, we have several partners that are primary suppliers to the big rail operators. So it is through distribution, but it's relatively... targeted specific distributors that sell to those end users. So, you know, that's a space that we are bringing out some new products and some updates to our current product line. But, you know, given the age of that infrastructure, we do think there's opportunity there. And already this year, we've seen a fairly nice uptick in orders into that space.
Got it. Appreciate the time.
Thank you, Mike.
Thank you. Just a reminder, that's a question press star one. Our next question comes from Justin Bergner with G Research. Please state your question.
Good morning, Randy. Good morning, Rick and the rest of the team.
Good morning.
Just to start, I wanted to sort of step back and look at that 20% EBITDA margin guidance. If you end the current fiscal year with something on the order of $525 million of revenue and you know, 70 to 75 million of adjusted EBITDA. What are the benefits beyond the normal incrementals that allow you to, you know, get to that 20% margin at 600 million of revenue, which basically would translate to an incremental, you know, 45 to 50 million of EBITDA on an incremental 70 million of revenue? I'm just having sort of some difficulty thinking of the drivers beyond the sort of normal incremental range that allows you to get there?
Sure. You know, when we say get into that normal and that $575 to call it $600 million in revenue, we look at that if you go, you know, coming out of 19, we were guiding college somewhere between $500 you know, I think midpoint was right around $595 of that original guide. We've now taken all of the costs, $33 million of the costs, of costs out, that exiting at that $600 million level, combined with the leverage on the cost out, that gets you to that 35% to 45% incremental, definitely high end, And it also results in the EBITDA margin at a normal run rate at 600 plus revenues that EBITDA margin to be above 20. And so, in terms of what happens, it's really product, you know, product growth and product volume. That's what's really missing right now. And when I say product, it also includes, Jeff talked about this earlier, improved rental service activity as part of our value add move. And then you get the improved manufacturing utilization from the volume. And we do have continued facility rationalization benefits that are yet to come as well. So all those combined consistent with our original margin walk, we think you hit that roughly $600 million mark. You know, we've done all the self-help things up to that point to get us to, you know, 20 and plus 600 above 20. And, you know, that above 20 to 25 is really driven off of market NPD value-added work and continuing to drive efficiencies within our manufacturing facilities.
Okay. Thank you. My second question relates to the infrastructure demand in Europe. I think this is something that you emphasized, you know, new today or at least emphasized a lot more today. So what are the drivers there? Obviously, Europe's a lot of different countries and subregions. You know, does this have legs? How much of your European, you know, revenue base is tied up with infrastructure-related demand at present? Just any sort of background you can provide would be helpful.
Yeah, there's been a book of quotes that we have had for numerous projects. I emphasize the bridge project especially. We've got numerous bridge projects, numerous just kind of transportation-related quotes that we've had open quotes on for months, and it's been really encouraging that we are seeing – many of those start to come to award stage. So, you know, I think as I talk to my team in Europe, they're pretty bullish on the fact that the spending that has been planned for, you know, since pre-COVID is starting to get released. So, you know, I hesitate to give you a percentage of our revenue over there that's tied up in that. But But between those projects and the sales going through our general distribution, you know, it's a meaningful amount of our business. So, you know, I think there's some pent-up demand there, but there's also been some new projects as well that we're starting to get some information on. So good news, frankly, all around. Okay, thank you.
Thank you. That's all the questions today. I'll now turn it back to management for closing remarks.
Thank you. Thank you very much, everybody, for joining us today, and we'll look forward to follow-up.
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