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spk03: Good morning. Thank you for standing by. My name is Brent and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Equitable Holdings full year and fourth quarter earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question at that time, simply press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press star one. It is now my pleasure to turn today's call over to Ishil Mudrasolu. Please go ahead.
spk01: Thank you. Good morning and welcome to Equitable Holdings' full year and fourth quarter 2021 earnings call. Materials for today's call can be found on our website at ir.equitableholdings.com. Before we begin, I would like to note that some of the information we present today is forward-looking and subject to certain SEC rules and regulations regarding disclosure. Our results may materially differ from those expressed in or indicated by such forward-looking statements. so I'd like to refer you to the Safe Harbor language on slide two of our presentation for additional information. Joining me on today's call is Mark Pearson, President and Chief Executive Officer of Equitable Holdings, Robin Raju, our Chief Financial Officer, Nick Lane, President of Equitable Financial, and Ali Dibaj, Alliance Bernstein's Chief Financial Officer and Head of Strategy. During this call, we will be discussing certain financial measures that are not based on generally accepted accounting principles, also known as non-GAAP measures. Reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and related definitions may be found on the Investor Relations portion of our website in our earnings release, slide presentation, and financial supplements. I would now like to turn the call over to Mark and Robin for their prepared remarks.
spk06: Thank you, Ishul. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. We are a business that exists to meet the need for retirement planning, income protection, and asset management. Over the past two years of the pandemic, these needs have been amplified. The ability of Equitable Holdings to meet these needs is unique. We provide advice through our affiliated distribution. We have leading retirement franchises, and we have our premier asset management subsidiary, Alliance Bernstein. Our strategy of managing to economic realities and shifting to low capital intensive businesses has proven to be well suited to low interest rates and rising equity markets. We are meeting both the amplified needs of our clients and building sustainable shareholder values. 2021 was a record year. As you can see on slide three, non-GAAP operating earnings were $2.8 billion, or $6.58 per share, up 32% year over year. For quarter four, non-GAAP operating earnings were $649 million, or $1.54 per share. AB had a particularly strong year, contributing $564 million of operating earnings to holdings, up 31% over prior year. Strong organic growth in our core retirement and asset management businesses resulted in net inflows of $25 billion in 2021. And this, combined with the benefit of market tailwinds, resulted in assets under management growing 12%, to $908 billion, which is also an all-time record. The balance sheet remains robust. We have an RBC ratio of approximately 440% and $1.6 billion of cash at the holding company. We successfully executed on our capital return program in 2021, returning $1.9 billion to shareholders, including an incremental $500 million of share repurchases associated with our legacy VA reinsurance transaction and $112 million of 2022 repurchases accelerated into the fourth quarter. Earlier this week, our board authorized a $1.2 billion share repurchase program for 2022. As we continue to deliver consistent capital return, with an expected $1.5 billion in the coming year, of course subject to no significant deterioration in the market. Looking ahead, we welcome the implementation of LDTI accounting changes in 2023 because it will bring further transparency, comparability across the industry, and it's close to our economic model. The term economic is often referenced in different contexts across our industry. For us, and I think what is important, economic means two things. Firstly, setting reserves using actual interest rates. That is the forward curve because this is what you can hedge. And secondly, economic means fair value liability reserving assumptions based on actual experience. We know that investors have been eager to understand more about the impacts of LDTI. Our economic approach to interest rates, where we make no bets, and our strong reserves not only align to the upcoming accounting changes, but position us well for the transition. As of year-end, we anticipate the transition impact to be within AOCI. If LDTI were implemented today, it would mean a less than $2 billion adjustment to the GAAP book value, which today stands at $11.5 billion. We will provide further details for investors in the coming months as we get closer to implementation. Lastly, I am incredibly proud that Equitable achieved another milestone as a public company by releasing our inaugural sustainability report in the fourth quarter. Conducting ourselves as a force for good has always been a part of our culture and the way we do business for more than 162 years. But of course, the need to show we meet the needs of all stakeholders and help address some of society's inequalities has been significantly amplified in the past few years. As of year end, $60 billion of Equitable's general account and $524 billion of AB's assets that is 64% and 67% of their respective totals, now integrate ESG factors into the investment process. In July, EQH pledged to adopt the UN Principles for Responsible Investment. We also take our role seriously as an industry leader in risk management. This extends beyond our company to supporting advocacy efforts for more economic and robust practices that better protect policyholders and investors. Turning to slide four, an important slide. This shows our unique business model and the results of our shift to capital light businesses. As a result of the transformation in our retirement business, our legacy VA amounts to only 18% of retirement assets today. We have also improved the certainty of our cash flows through internal restructuring Today, approximately 50% of our annual $1.5 billion cash flows is generated from non-insurance regulated entities. We continue to leverage synergies between our two operating companies. The $10 billion investment commitment to AB not only improves the risk-adjusted return for our general account, but strengthens AB's efforts to build out higher multiple businesses in the alternative space Within the Equitable Financial Operating subsidiary, we have made tremendous progress to become a more diversified retirement company. We shifted retirement new business away from interest rate dependency and high living benefit guarantees through the launch of our innovative structured capital strategies protected equity product. Q4 saw another record quarter of SES sales. And as a result, we remain the number one player in this fast-growing RILA market. Overall, gross sales from our retirement businesses amounted to $18 billion, up 30% from last year. In addition to shifting the sales mix and enforce action, we continue to execute on our productivity and investment income priorities to further drive earnings growth. Our asset management subsidiary, Alliance Bernstein, generated strong net inflows of $26 billion in the year across all three of its distribution channels, retail, institutional, and private wealth. This has resulted in a 5% organic revenue growth and a 1% fee rate expansion. Importantly, and looking to the future, AB has strong underlying investment performance with 89% of fixed income and 73% of equity assets outperforming this past year. AB was an early mover and now has a strong brand recognition in the Asian markets. We see this as a particular area of differentiation and future growth. Today, our Asia businesses represent 18% of AUM and 25% of annualized fees. AB has a proven track record of attracting and building out investment capabilities, growing an initial seed investment within alternatives four times to $23 billion today. We'll be looking to a multiplier effect with the $10 billion investment commitment we announced from Equitable. Equitable Advisors is a cornerstone of our strategy. Firstly, they are the major source of revenue growth within Equitable Financials. Our affiliated Salesforce contributes 70% of combined gross premiums and broker-dealer inflows. Secondly, they are key to our efforts to transform towards capital-like businesses. Within Equitable Advisors, our broker-dealer continues to be a growth area, with an increase in assets under advice of 34% to $83 billion this past year, benefiting from strong flows as well as favorable markets. We now have over 500 wealth managers delivering valuable advice and solutions to our clients, with full-year sales of $13 billion, a 54% improvement over the prior year. On slide five, I would like to briefly highlight the journey we've been on since the IPO on May 10, 2018, in shifting our business mix towards advice-driven retirement and asset management. In retirement, we've done two important things. We've grown our business and substantially changed the mix. Our core retirement business, the capital light business, has grown by 47% to $130 billion. At the same time, our legacy VA business has decreased by 40% to now less than $30 billion. we are now no longer dependent or significantly exposed to high guarantee living benefit annuities. At Alliance Bernstein, total AUM has grown 40% since the IPO with a 39% increase in fee-based revenue. AB managed equitable AUM has grown to nearly $130 billion and is 17% of total AB assets under management. Finally, Equitable advisors are meeting clients' growing needs for wealth accumulation and retirement through a differentiated holistic financial plan. As a result, we have seen strong organic growth in assets under advice, up 88% since IPO, with strong net inflows and favorable equity markets. Turning to slide six, we were pleased to recently release Equitable's inaugural sustainability report, There is a lot in the report which can be accessed through our website. Underpinning everything, though, in the report is our belief that we can bridge profits with purpose. I've already mentioned inclusion of ESG factors in our investment decisions. Our clients are supporting this momentum and now have $31.5 billion in ABE portfolios with purpose, up 91% in the year. At this time of remote working, we have invested in our people with over 30,000 training hours to adopt an agile design thinking framework to raise the metabolism inside the organization. And we are also using this framework to improve our diversity, equity, and inclusion representation. Key to our ESG approach is upholding stakeholder trust, including advocating for more robust industry practices. And we see the upcoming implementation of LDTI as a critical building block, which Robin will address on the following page. Robin?
spk11: Thank you, Mark. We are very supportive of the upcoming LDTI accounting reform, which will bring GAAP closer to fair value economics and will improve transparency and comparability for our industry. On slide seven, I would like to provide additional insight into how we view the changes and how we are well positioned for adoption. Before I do that, there are three key points to highlight. First, we expect that the impact to shareholder equity will be lower than our current AOCI balance, which was $2 billion as of year end. we also expect the impact will flow primarily through AOCI, taking into account year-end market conditions. Second, LDTI aligns well to our economic approach to managing the business, due to our conservative interest rate assumptions and fair value approach to setting actuarial assumptions. And third, the enhanced LDTI disclosure which we intend to provide in the early summer, will support equitable, strong economic standing and competitive position in the market. I will now go through some of the drivers to provide additional details. Our year-end estimates are primarily attributable to an uneconomic factor, non-performance risk, or NPR. Under GAAP accounting today, a company's own credit spreads impact their liabilities. For example, as a company's own credit spread decreases, the company is required to hold more reserves, and vice versa, which is counterintuitive. We have seen credit spreads narrow over time, and the impact of NPR is currently reflected in net income. While LDTI improved this by shifting this non-economic movement to AOCI, there is some potential sensitivity between now and the transition date in 2023. If credit spreads increase before the transition date, the NPR gains would shift from net income to AOCI. Turning to retained earnings, we anticipated a limited transition impact based on our year-end market conditions. While SOP reserves currently account for two-thirds of our GMIB and GMDBs, The impact of fair value in those reserves is largely mitigated due to two offsetting items. The first is a favorable offset from increasing our near industry low 2.25% gap interest rate assumption to the forward curve, which was 2.5% as of year end. This demonstrates how conservative interest rate assumptions that Equitable has positions us well for the upcoming accounting change compared to our peers. The second is a minimal impact from aligning to the proposed LVTI discount rate. Our current SOP reserve discount rate is similar to the future LVTI discount rate, as our discount rate takes into account the forward curve and credit spreads. As I mentioned, The movement in MPR may change where the impact is reflected in the future, between retained earnings and AOCI, but we expect our total impact to be less than our AOCI balance regardless. Finally, we expect no impact to cash flows, given our hedging strategy is aligned for a fair value economics. Under our current GAAP rules, Hedging for our economic liabilities creates the majority of the accounting mismatch between net income and non-GAAP operating earnings. Under LDTI, we expect that the asymmetry between our economic hedging and GAAP to be significantly reduced, and items such as book value, excluding AOGI, will be more meaningful for equitable and our peers. I'm really excited about this transition to a more economic approach to GAAP accounting and the validation of Equitable's economic approach to managing the business. We look forward to sharing further detail at an LDPI investor call early in the summer, including how disclosures will illustrate the strength of our economic assumptions backing our liabilities. We are confident that this additional transparency will be good for the industry and will help investors better understand the risk they are taking when investing in different companies. Now, let me turn to full year results on slide eight. We had a record year with our retirement and asset management businesses performing exceptionally well. As Mark mentioned, we've reported non-GAAP operating earnings of $2.8 billion this year. Adjusting for non-return items in the year, our full-year earnings were approximately $2.5 billion. These strong results reflect AUM growth to a record $908 billion, supported by net inflows of $25 billion and favorable equity markets, in addition to the continued mixed shift to our capital life businesses. Turning to our segments, individual retirement reporting operating earnings less notable items of $1.4 billion this year. Excluding the impact of the legacy VA transaction, earnings have increased year over year. As you recall, we monetized $1.2 billion for shareholders with the close of the legacy VA transaction and significantly de-risked our inflows. Further supporting this successful mix is the continued strong performance of our capital light offerings as we drive record sales and sustain our leadership position in the RILA market. For the full year, first-year premiums were $11 billion, up 53% over prior year, which is a level we haven't seen since 2008. The team finished the year strong, setting another record with $2 billion of SES sales in the fourth quarter. We continue to innovate in demand and economically sound solutions to help ensure our clients achieve their retirement dreams. In group retirement, operating earnings left notable items were $596 million, up 26% year-over-year, as we continue to benefit from strong equity markets. We reported gross premiums of $3.6 billion this year, with year-over-year growth supported by both first-year premiums and renewal premiums, up 11% and 7%, respectively. We continue to see the benefits of our advisors leveraging technology to enhance client engagement. That said, our differentiator continues to be our worksite advice model with access to over 8,700 school districts and over 800,000 educators. And we began to see the benefit of this hybrid approach in the second half of 2021 as schools reopened in the fall. In asset management, AB has continued to be a driver of capital-like growth for equitable holdings. with operating earnings of $564 million, up 38% year-over-year. Importantly, AB continues to drive organic revenue growth, supported by active net inflows of $27.6 billion, positive across retail, institutional, and private wealth channels. AB's leadership position in Asia continues to support strong results, with approximately one-third of AB's total net inflows in the year attributable to that market. The continued positive momentum is a testament to the performance AB is delivering to our clients, with over 89% of fixed income and 73% of equity assets outperforming their benchmark over the past year. In addition, strong longer-term performance with fixed income and equities, outperforming their benchmark by 70% and 75% respectively over the past five years. And finally, in protection solutions, operating earnings less notable items were $277 million, up 39% over the prior year. Our strategic pivot to more capital-light accumulation BUL drove year-over-year first-year premium growth of 99% in that product and now represents approximately two-thirds of segment first-year premium. We have highlighted our success shifting the profile of our business towards more capital-light businesses. Since the IPO, we have improved earnings by 32%. while also improving the mix with continued growth in asset management and over 80% of retirement AUM in capital life products today. Let me now turn to the fourth quarter consolidated results on slide nine. Adjusting for notable items in both periods, non-GAAP operating earnings were up from $638 million in the fourth quarter of 2020 to $691 million this quarter. or $1.54 per share, a 70% increase on a per-share basis. We benefited from higher net investment income, performance fees, and base fee revenue on higher AUM this quarter, which partially offset a one-time litigation accrual and adverse mortality in the quarter, which remains in line with our COVID guidance. In the quarter, we reported GAAP net income of $254 million as we continue to see the impact of non-economic accounting treatment for our GAAP liabilities compared to the fair value hedging program, which performed as expected with a hedge effectiveness of 95% in the quarter. As I discussed a few minutes ago, we look forward to the implementation of LVTI in 2023, which will eliminate much of this accounting asymmetry. AUM was a record of $908 billion, supported by strong equity markets and positive fourth quarter net flows of $7 billion, led by our asset management business. We have made good progress against our strategic priorities, delivering $31 million in productivity saves and $90 million in general account yield enhancements this year. And we continue to deploy our $10 billion of committed investment capital from the insurance subsidiary to support growth in AB's alternative business. This synergy enables us to build a high multiple business at AB while generating favorable risk-adjusted yield for equitable policyholders. We are excited about the potential for AB's alternative business in the future. Turning to slide 10, our strong capital and liquidity position enabled us to successfully deliver on our 2021 capital management program. Throughout the year, we returned $1.9 billion to shareholders, with $540 million occurring in the fourth quarter. This return was supported by the closing of our legacy VA reinsurance transaction in June of last year, which returned an incremental $500 million. and $112 million of 2022 repurchases that we accelerated into the fourth quarter. We closed this year with $1.6 billion of cash at the holding company and a strong RBC ratio of 440%, each well above their respective targets. Our successful shift towards capital life business model and our internal restructuring has increased unregulated cash flows giving up confidence in our dividend-to-holding company, with approximately 50% coming from non-regulated entities. In 2022, we expect at least $1.5 billion in subsidiary dividends to support our capital return strategy. Further, our strong financial position allows us to announce a $1.2 billion repurchase authorization from our board as we continue to execute on our earnings under normal market conditions.
spk08: conditions. I'll now pass it back to Mark.
spk06: Thank you, Robin. Before we turn to your questions, I would like to reiterate some highlights from our full year and fourth quarter results. First, we delivered another year of record results supported by the societal need for our products and services and strong equity markets. Second, our unique business model, pairing retirement, asset management and advice drives our strong capital position and enables us to consistently return capital to shareholders. As a result, we are pleased to announce a new authorization to deploy $1.2 billion for repurchases in 2022 and targeted total capital return of $1.5 billion this year.
spk08: Third,
spk06: Our fair value economic framework positions us well for LDTI implementation. Aided by our economic approach, we expect our LDTI transition impact to be within AOCI, which is $2 billion as of year end. And lastly, Equitable is committed to being a force for good, and we will continue to be a strong advocate for robust industry practices aligned to economic realities. With that, I'd like to open the line for your question.
spk03: At this time, I'd like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Elise Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
spk01: Thanks. Good morning. My first question was on capital returns. You gave us the $1.2 billion authorization for the year. How should we think about just the cadence between the quarters and would you just be more active, you know, depending upon, you know, your share price?
spk11: Morning, Elise. Thank you for the question. As you recall, we returned $1.9 billion in 2021. That included $100 and so million of accelerated share repurchase that we're counting towards 2022. And the $1.2 billion future authorization that the board approved this year allows us to continue to execute against our 50% to 60% capital return under normal market conditions. Expect us to be in the market consistently throughout the year, and the authorization that the board gives us allows us to adjust flexibility of the program if we see any share price deviations as well.
spk08: And then when thinking about –
spk01: relative to that 50% to 60%, you would look at the 1.5% plus the 112% that you look forward as putting you within that 50% to 60% target, correct?
spk10: That's right.
spk01: Okay. And then in terms of protection solutions, you guys have been running with earnings of around $75 million on an adjusted basis. And I think last quarter you had said you could be there with protection solutions just given that we're in probably a lease for a little bit longer, an elevated mortality period?
spk11: Sure. So we increased the guidance to $75 million last quarter. That's a result of continued productivity in the business and benefiting from the GA rebalancing that we've had done throughout the years. With that $75 million, what we said, expect volatility around that $75 million up or down as mortality evolves. In the quarter, if you look on a normalized basis, excluding the elevated mortality related to COVID and the alternative benefit, we ran about a 92 million normalized earnings for the quarter. The COVID guidance, you know, we're saddened by the continued deaths related to COVID in the U.S., but we do remain within the guidance that we've given to the market of that 30 to 60 million.
spk01: Thanks for the color.
spk08: Your next question.
spk03: This question is from the line of Ryan Kruger with KBW.
spk10: Your line is open. Hi, good morning. Thanks for the LBTI impact. I guess I'll be greedy and ask for one more thing. How it may impact GAAP operating earnings, can you give any comments on the potential impact there?
spk11: Sure, Ryan. Let me first start by emphasizing what I mentioned earlier. Our economic approach to managing the business and fair value approach to setting assumptions allows us to have a limited impact on the transition balance for LVTI.
spk08: As it aligns with LVTI, you will have to wait to
spk11: our investor day as we go through the technicals of LVTI going forward. But again, we expect the economic earnings of this business to continue to grow based on the strong fundamentals we see across all of our business lines under EQH.
spk10: Got it. Thanks. And then could you give an update on your efforts to mitigate the remaining Reg 213 impact? And if you think you can get that offset by the end of 2022.
spk11: Sure. So as you recall, we took significant action during the year. It started by receiving the primitive process from the regulator, reached 50% of the cash flows going forward of that $1.5 billion will be unregulated. And we just completed and closed into December, the XXX reinsurance transaction, which allowed us to unlock $1 billion of value, decreasing the redundant reserves of Right 213 to about $1 billion going forward. That remaining billion will be phased in over the next several years, so it gives us time and flexibility to continue to explore internal and external reinsurance opportunities. if they are accretive on an economic basis and drive value to shareholders. We are targeting and we continue to be adamant about pursuing all options on the table and expect us to continue to address it as the year goes by. Thank you.
spk03: Your next question is from Tom Gallagher with Evercore. Your line is open.
spk09: Good morning. First question, Robin, if I go back to the second quarter, your estimated RBC was 450, I believe. Now it's 440 at year end. You haven't taken any dividends out, but I know there's been a lot of movement, things like C1 and other things going on. But curious if you can comment on what happened to organic capital generation and all four at a time.
spk11: Sure. So organic capital generation and, again, business fundamentals are very strong during the year. There are a few things that change from a statutory basis. As you recall, as I just mentioned, we restructured the cash flows in the insurance entities. We're now more cash flows, about $250 million going forward are coming straight to the holding company. So that is no longer in the insurance company as a result. From an RBC perspective during the year, as we continue to shift the general account and good risk-adjusted yield, we did see an increase in the C1 reform capital charges. That had about an 18-point impact on RBC as of year-end.
spk08: But if you exclude that and exclude the mortality, we still see strong cash flow generation,
spk11: In the insurance company, it should translate to about $750 million in an annual basis. And then Alliance Burns seeing an unregulated cash flow to the holding company, making up the rest of the $750 to bring the total to $1.5 billion to the holding company.
spk09: Got it. That's helpful. What is your dividend capacity?
spk11: The call, it's going to be $1.5 billion across all of our subsidiaries, and we expect the insurance company to be greater than the $750 million guidance that we provided to the market.
spk09: Got it. So based on what is expected to play out, you think the allowable normal dividend will be over $750 million, or is that still not clear?
spk08: It'll be official when we file the K in a few weeks, as we'll have that number in there.
spk11: But we do expect it to be above $750 million, bringing the total to $1.5 billion.
spk09: Gotcha. And just one last one, if I could. The LDTI book value impact that you mentioned, the less than $2 billion, you mentioned that was year-end 21 when rates were lower. Would it make much of a difference if you were to market today? I assume it would go down, but, you know, if so, if you could sensitize it at all, would it be meaningful? And then when you implement the initial 2023, will you be using – rate levels from year-end 2021, or what period do you use the initial implementation interest rate from?
spk08: Sure.
spk11: So, Tom, the good thing about LBTI, again, it's fair value. So at point of transition, it moves to the rates at that specific period.
spk08: Overall, that's the benefit of fair value, and that's where we hedge our balance sheets.
spk11: The impact as of year-end, we said it's less than the $2 billion AOCI balance, and it's across the industry. It will be sensitive to equities, interest rates, and credit spreads. Those are probably the three biggest sensitivities. Where we sit today, it is lower than the number we had as of year end, but it is sensitive to those three elements. So we'll continue to give updates as the year progresses. Keep in mind, those liability numbers may move. They're always going to be within the AOCI balance, we believe. And we have derivative gains that offset the potential liability movement. So economically, there's no impact for us because it's close to how we manage the business.
spk03: Okay, great. Thanks. Cleggerman with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.
spk05: Hey, good morning. So in individual retirement, another outstanding quarter in terms of volumes. I think the Buffered SES product was up 36% year over year. I'm wondering if you could – Just given the incredible competition that's come into that product since you pioneered it, it's great to see this growth. So I'm wondering what's allowing you to keep this going. Is there a particular product feature that the most current SES stands out for, or is there some new distribution that's driving this growth? Maybe you could give a little color behind this robust sales growth.
spk06: Thanks, Andrew, for the question. We have Nick Lane here today who heads up all of our commercial lines. We'll give Robin a little bit of a rest, and let's start with you, Nick.
spk07: Great. Thanks, Mark. First, as you mentioned, core results are strong, positive $2.5 billion for the year, $500 million for the quarter, sales up 55% and another record SES. You know, what is sustaining and elevating that? First is our differentiated distribution position, both equitable advisors as well as our third-party partnerships. We've been there from the beginning with consistent, strong relationships. As we've highlighted in the past, we believe the pie is going to continue to grow, and we continue to innovate in that space relative to new functionality such as dual direction. So, you know, we're confident that we will continue to maintain our position going forward and help consumers navigate these volatile markets.
spk05: You mentioned new functionalities such as dual direction. Could you give a little more color on that?
spk07: Sure. Dual direction is an enhancement to their perception of, the markets. So, as you know, we provide upside protection, upside potential with downside protection. But all these new segments are perfectly ALM matched, and we've been a leader in getting feedback from our clients and advisors on what they're looking to invest in.
spk05: You know, as you look for Reg 213 solutions and, you know, understand that 18% of the individual retirement block is only legacy VA, you know, what areas of the business are you talking to potential clients looking at for potential solutions? Is it possible to move the legacy, the remaining legacy VA, given that it's housed in New York? Are there, you know, very different product areas as you did with Reg XXX? What areas are you looking at to solve for this 213? And maybe what's the interest level in working with you on it?
spk11: Sure, Andrew, the I think the way to think about it is we're looking across the enforce all products and where we can drive economic accretion and gains relative to an external or internal transaction. That's why we started with the XXX reinsurance transaction. We don't always have to just address the VA book. If there are opportunities to reduce that 18% legacy AUM further, that economically accretive, we'll certainly execute that. But if there are opportunities across other lines as well, we'll have a look. But everything's on the table as we continue to address the redundant reserves, but it needs to be economically accretive for shareholders.
spk05: Yeah, I like accretives. Thanks.
spk03: Your next question comes from the line of Tracy Benjiji with Barclays. Your line is open.
spk01: Thank you. Good morning. Sorry. Lost my connection a little bit. Okay. Hold on. Bear with me.
spk06: You're coming through clear, Tracy.
spk01: Okay. Yeah, so one of your competitors, talked about policyholder appetite per VA buyout program. And I'm curious if you can share your thoughts on the economics of offering these one-sum payments to annuity holders of your riskier blocks, perhaps to accelerate your efforts to reducing the proportion of capital-intensive business, or if that could help in any way reduce Reg 213 redundancy reserves. But I've heard others in the past say that's expensive.
spk11: Sure, Tracy. You know, buyouts of legacy annuity policies were one of the first de-risking actions we deployed back in 2011. We've executed that along with moving the majority of that legacy AUM to passive index funds. Those were key de-risking levers that we utilized over 10 years ago, and that led us to the successful de-risking for the Venable transaction. So that playbook has been utilized here already, and now we're focused really on external and internal reinsurance as potential opportunities. That can really drive accretion for shareholders.
spk06: I think we've had three programs of buyback over the last 10 years. So it's something we're aware of, we've acted on, it's been successful for us. But we've moved on a bit now. We're looking at reinsurance and other ways to do this.
spk01: Great. Thank you. I know it's been asked already, but I just wanted to touch upon your COVID losses, particularly what we've seen is you know, a shift in age cohort. Now there's a little bit more of a bias on the older population, the 4Q versus 3Q. I'm wondering if that had anything to do with you running your losses a little bit higher into the range. I think in the past it was on the bottom end of the range. And if you could also share if you received any benefit from a longevity offset this quarter, maybe in individual retirement.
spk11: Sure. Again, I just want to emphasize, as I mentioned earlier, we are saddened by the fact that the pandemic still impacts many of the people that we interact with and so many of our clients that we have. But it also shows the benefits of the products that equitable holdings have to offer in providing protection needs for American consumers. In the quarter, as you saw, fourth quarter mortality in the U.S. was elevated versus third quarter. And we did see some of it come into older age debts, which we do have exposure to older age policies. But if you exclude that for the full year, we are in the middle of our COVID guidance that we provided to the market. And, you know, that's where we'd expect to be going forward.
spk01: Okay. And then maybe on the longevity offset, are you seeing any of that?
spk11: We did not in the quarter.
spk01: Thank you.
spk03: Your next question comes from the line of Alex Scott with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
spk00: Good morning. First question I had is on the flow reinsurance market. I think you made some comments already about potential block deals. I'd just be interested in your view on the flow reinsurance market, and it seems like there's some new third parties popping up there. How do you view using that as a potential lever to increase cash conversion?
spk11: Sure. Thank you. As Nick mentioned earlier, the products that we write today are all capitalized, very efficient, and generate good economic value for shareholders. So when we think about levers, flow reinsurance isn't one of them that we consider as an opportunity to benefit our shareholders because we would essentially be passing some of the value that we have for shareholders to someone else. The products that we write today are economically sound. Assumptions are based on current experience, and they're ALM matched. So as a result, we don't need to pass on the value to others. And so we fully believe in the products that we write today and the value that they generate, and we want to retain those for our shareholders.
spk00: Got it. Thanks.
spk08: And it's a follow up, I guess, just on inflation.
spk00: I know from a capital standpoint and if rates were to move higher, that's, you know, an obvious benefit, I think, for variable annuity companies generally. But just thinking more specifically about expenses, can you help us think through wage inflation and some of the pressure there and if we should expect to see anything in 2022?
spk06: Thanks, Alex. It's Mark. Yes, obviously two things. Firstly, I think productivity improvements to offset any inflation hasn't really hit us up to the end of 2021, but we are alert and watching it closely. I think the other thing to say, though, Alex, is the types of products that we offer. You know, we like to talk about it internally of all weather products. So if you look at some of the things that AB offers in alternates and real-asset dual direction, that can help consumers. So we look at it three ways. As you say, balance sheet first, making sure we're immunized there. And secondly, productivity to offset pressure on inflation if it comes. And then thirdly, what other products we can help our clients with that offer. helping them and economically sound for us as well. So that's how we think of inflation.
spk00: Thanks.
spk03: Your next question is from the line of Jimmy Buller with J.P. Morgan.
spk08: Your line is open. Good morning. A couple of questions. First, on the group retirement business,
spk04: I guess with the SEC settlement, you're going to pay a fine and then increase disclosure, but do you see any sort of ongoing impacts of this either on your business or on competitors that greater disclosure, whether you expect any ongoing impact from this?
spk06: Thanks, Jim. It's Mark. Yes, we've been cooperating with SEC on that industry-wide investigation. As you know, that's been on for a little while here. I think you're also aware of settlements entered by some of our peer companies as well on this one. And we have, as you say, reached a settlement in principle on it as we go. And it is around our quarterly account disclosure statements. Obviously, we disclose our fees and charges in our prospectus. The SEC would like us to be clearer, if you like, on the statements, and we fully agree we should be as clear and as transparent as we possibly can be to our teachers.
spk08: You know, if you look at the fee income, what does it cover?
spk06: It really covers the advice we give, of course. We know that teachers who receive advice end up with 49% more in their retirement accounts. In addition, of course, getting teachers into the right investment solutions. We help them with loan forgiveness. They do have access inside their funds to save all the funds, the guaranteed funds, if the market gets too rocky. So I think the way we look at this, Jimmy, is do we justify our fees? And we are very confident that we do. We can see the benefits of it. Okay.
spk04: And then on the SEC product and just the buffer annuity market in general, there's a lot of other companies that have come out with similar products and that Are you seeing, so obviously the market's a lot more crowded than it was, but are you seeing the other companies be rational in terms of terms, conditions, and the benefits that they're offering, or are some of them being aggressive on features as well?
spk07: Great. This is Nick. Currently, we're seeing rational pricing out there. We continue to see growth in the space, both driven by the demographics and volatile markets. And as we've said, we think competitors entering helps validate the solutions for advisors and consumers out there.
spk11: And, Jimmy, remember, anybody can copy our product, but they can't copy our distribution for equitable advisors and the third-party affiliated agreements that we have. So that's our differentiator, and that's what makes us win in the market.
spk04: Thank you.
spk03: Your final question comes from the line of Samit Tamath with Jefferies. Your line is open.
spk02: Great, thanks. I wanted to start on slide eight, that lower pie chart there, just to make sure I'm reading this right. Are you basically saying that the legacy VA block is about 15% of total company earnings, maybe a third of individual retirement earnings? Is that kind of in the ballpark?
spk11: What we said in the slide and what you see is the legacy VA is about 18% of our retirement AUM. And that's a function of the historic de-risking, but also the good core flows that we received, $2.5 billion in the year, up 20% year over year. From an earnings perspective, we haven't disclosed. earnings by specific product and we won't enhance disclosures until post ldti and we'll look to provide greater clarity but if you wanted to take a look at something right now the best we can give you is aum as a ballpark um so that's probably the right way to look at it right now okay got it and i guess robin i haven't heard anyone else use the words excited and ldti in the same sentence and it it sounds like you're you're going to provide a lot more disclosure i guess in the early summer is that
spk02: Is your view that this is just going to shed a new light on how people think about your individual retirement business? Because when I think about, like, the valuation of the company, to me, that's always been the biggest source of upside, if people just get a better handle on the risk profile of this block. Is that kind of what you're leading us towards?
spk06: Yes, I think that's right. I think there's two issues, Sunit. excitement and accounting change is not normally two words you put into one sentence. But look, why we say that is, number one, go back to Jimmy's question earlier. Is there rational pricing? We would argue very strongly that the current accounting basis, particularly where you can use a reversion to mean on interest rates, can hide irrational pricing. We think that's wrong. We think if people are pricing irrationally, it should be disclosed as such. It's up to every insurance company where they want to price, but it shouldn't be hidden by the account. Companies that have hedged their book to the real economic liabilities, we would argue should have less capital needs than those who don't. Of course, management teams have to decide the risk they want to take. But it should be disclosed properly. We're not saying ours is the only way or the best way, but we are saying you should disclose it properly so that investors can make an informed choice. That's why it leads to better comparability and a recognition of economically what's happened.
spk02: Okay, got it. And maybe just on the wealth management segment, we We can see the account value growth or the AUA growth, but we can't really see the organic growth. So can you maybe just give us a sense of what the organic growth looks like in that business and maybe how it's tracked over the past few years?
spk07: Great. Thanks for the question. We're very pleased with the progress we've seen in the wealth management segment. As you highlighted, it's grown to 34%. We're now at $83 billion. In 2021, we had $3 billion of gross sales. We've originally expressed that we'd enhance our disclosures when the AUA ranges got to about $125 billion to be a meaningful segment, and these targets and aspirations still hold true.
spk02: All right. I'll follow up. Thanks.
spk03: there are no further questions at this time ladies and gentlemen thank you for your participation this concludes today's conference call you may now disconnect
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