Equinor ASA

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, Eveline. Welcome to the third quarter 2020 Equinor results call on what I know is an especially busy day. Last Christian Backer, CFO, will run through the results and then open up for questions. Also on the line, we have Sain Shire, Head of Performance, and from the 1st of November, Acting CFO. Oyan Kelvana, Head of Accounting, and Mads Holm, Head of Finance. The operator will run through the mechanics of the polling for a question, but I would also note that given the timing of the call and along with others reporting today, we request that people keep to one question with a maximum of two parts and those parts should be connected. So this allows us to get through the call fairly and effectively. So with that, I am very pleased to pass the word through to Lars Christian. Thanks very much.

Thank you, Peter, and good morning, everybody. I hope you are all doing well, and thank you for joining the call. Equinor delivered solid overall operational performance in the quarter. Prices have recovered somewhat from the very low levels in the second quarter, and we have seen less volatility, but concerns of a second COVID wave in many countries have muted further demand and corresponding price upticks. Despite this challenging price environment, Equinor delivered a positive cash flow in the quarter. We acted early and forcefully to the effects of the pandemic and its impact on commodity prices. Now, six months later, we see the benefits. We have materially reduced our costs and we have maintained strong financial flexibility. We were significantly helped by the strong measures taken over the last years to improve our competitiveness. This has made us more robust and equipped to handle this situation. CAPEX spending has been tightly controlled and strictly prioritized. Costs are significantly down with adjusted OPEX and SG&A per barrel for the upstream segments, down 20% since the third quarter of 2019. And we are on track on our plan to save $700 million in 2020. In the quarter, we have demonstrated that we are able to create value and grow our renewables business. We formed a strategic offshore wind partnership with BP in the US and divested 50% of our East Coast offshore wind projects, Beacon Wind and Empire Wind. Equinor continues as the operator of both projects and will now benefit from complementary competencies, experience and skill sets. This is fully in line with our strategy to secure a mature renewable projects for large scale development and to capture the value, to capture the value creation by taking in strong partners when the timing is right. A net capital gain of around $1 billion is expected to be booked early next year. We use a similar model for the Acona project in Germany, where we booked a gain of more than $200 million in 2019. Econoid is making good progress in our low carbon projects, which will contribute towards the development of full value chains for capturing, transporting and storing CO2. This includes H2H Salten in the UK, a project for large scale hydrogen production with carbon capture. In addition, the Northern Lights project in Norway will contribute to the transport and storage of CO2 from industrial discharge points in Europe. We continue to develop our competitive oil and gas portfolio and in September we submitted the PDO for the Breidabik field in Norway. This is one of the largest undeveloped discoveries on the NCS and it will be developed as a subsea tieback to the Grane field with 23 wells from four subsea templates. Bredabrik is one of several projects that will benefit from the temperature changes to the tax regime on the NCS, with an average reduction in break-even of $10 per barrel. We have discovered hydrocarbons in the Capahaden and Cambriel prospects off the east coast of Canada, and they are currently being evaluated. Continued technology development and digitalization provides opportunities for increased value creation and risk reduction. At Johan Sverdrup, which just celebrated its first year anniversary, digital solutions have yielded more than 2 billion Norwegian kroners in additional earnings, and the field has achieved a unit production cost below $1 in the quarter, a UPC below $1 in the quarter. This quarter, after growing insight and maturing our market view through a deep analysis, we have reduced both our short and long-term price assumptions. Our focus has been, as always, on the long-term and fundamental trends, not on short-term volatility and market reactions. Based on our analysis, including supply as well as demand impacts, We expect average oil prices to gradually increase to $65 per barrel in 2025, with a continued modest uptick towards 2030. After 2030, we expect a gradual decline to $64 in 2040 and below $60 in 2050. Clearly, oil price estimates that far out in time are associated with great uncertainty. But remember, we require sanctioned projects to be robust at much lower prices than these long-term levels. At our capital markets update in February, we presented our project portfolio of new fields to be put in production by 2026, representing around 6 billion barrels of oil equivalents net to Ekenoen, with an average break-even oil price below $35 per barrel. Since February, this has been improved further. In April, with the unprecedented market conditions, we said when deciding on future dividend payments, the Board of Directors would take into consideration factors such as expected cash flow, capital expenditure plans, financing requirements and financial flexibility. We have seen some signals of recovery in the commodity market. We have also demonstrated an ability to react swiftly and effectively during the difficult conditions. And this gives the board confidence to raise the dividend to nine cents for third quarter. This confirms the statement made in April that the cut was a reaction to extraordinary conditions and that the dividend policy was unchanged. Now on to the results, and let me start with our safety performance in the quarter. The safety of our people and conducting safe operations is the bedrock of what we do. The recent fire at our LNG plant at Melkøya was serious, but most importantly, it was without any personal injuries. The plant is expected to be shut in for up to 12 months for repairs. For the last 12 months, we reported a series incident frequency of 0.6 and a total recordable incident frequency of 2.3 per million hours worked. Year to date, series incident frequency is 0.5 and the total recordable incident frequency is improved when compared to the levels achieved in 2019. And now to the financial results, which again were impacted by lower prices. I realized liquids price in the quarter was $38.3 per barrel, down 27% from the same period last year. Average invoice gas prices of $2.72 per million BTU for Europe and 1.53 for North America are down 48% and 23% respectively. The IFRS result is negative $2 billion, while adjusted earnings in the quarter is positive $780 million, down from $2.6 billion in the same period last year. We have further reduced our costs this quarter, and the unit production cost has been reduced by more than 20% year on year. We are also well on track to reduce our operating costs by $700 million, as announced as part of our action plan in March. Lower price assumptions and reduced reserve estimates for some fields result in a net impairment this quarter of $2.9 billion. Most of the net impairments are related to the US onshore field Bakken and the mariner field offshore UK. In Norway, total net impairments are $360 million on producing fields. The group tax rate in the quarter was 65%. A lower tax rate in Norway was offset by higher than guided rates in E&P International and M&P due to the earnings composition. Then some comments to each of the reporting segments. ENP Norway delivered adjusted earnings before tax of $773 million. Underlying OPEX and SG&A was reduced by more than 25% per barrel year on year in Norwegian kronor through increased production from new fields with very low cost and further efficiencies on mature fields. Our new organizational unit focusing on improved value creation on late life fields on the NCS is off to a strong start with the visible cost improvements already. The tax rate in the quarter is lower than previously due to the temporary changes in the NCS petroleum tax regime. E&P International delivered adjusted earnings before tax of negative one of $4 million. The result is impacted by the low prices and reduced production from the Peregrino field in Brazil. Peregrino is temporarily shut in for repairs and is expected to start production in the first quarter of 2021. We see strong progress on cost reductions in the segment with OPEX and SG&A down 19% year on year. Cash flow from operations is $381 million for the quarter. The tax rate of 84% is higher than normal guidance, mainly due to uplift on carry forward losses in the UK. E&P USA third quarter results are of course also impacted by the weak prices. Costs have been forcefully reduced and we have stopped drilling onshore due to the current price environment. Adjusted earnings before tax came in at negative $193 million. Cash flow from operations was $276 million, with a positive contribution from our onshore business. Our US business delivers a positive cash flow also after investments in the quarter. Our M&P segment was impacted by weak refinery margins, offset by a strong contribution from European gas sales and trading. M&P delivered adjusted earnings before tax of $262 million. In our other segment, we also report activity in our new energy solutions business area, and we had good availability across our offshore wind portfolio in the quarter. Our equity accounted investments delivered a net income of $60 million in the quarter, and the NAS business segment as a whole delivered a positive contribution. We delivered stable field operations in the quarter without any negative COVID-19 effects. Equinor's total oil and gas equity production in the quarter was 1,994,000 barrels per day. Compared to third quarter last year, we grew our group equity production by 9% when allowing for portfolio changes and production curtailments. We adhered to the production curtailments imposed by Norwegian authorities on the NCS, but we used this opportunity to perform modifications and upgrades without further production impact. New fields and new wells put on stream contribute to the production growth. We also took the opportunity to increase our NCS gas production as the European gas prices recovered throughout the third quarter. In the quarter, exploration activities resulted in seven commercial discoveries, but two wells results are still being evaluated. Year to date, we have delivered 13 value creating discoveries globally. This is a strong 50% success rate. Our renewable electricity production in the quarter has been in line with expectations. In the third quarter, we delivered a net positive cash flow of $216 million. This is after capital distribution, which in third quarter included a payment of around $1 billion for the Norwegian state's portion of the share buyback program. We received a tax payment of $160 million in the quarter, reflecting the temporary changes in the NCS tax regime, in addition to the low prices assumed. when the tax installments for 2020 were first estimated in June. Based on increased prices for the second half, we expect taxes payable in the second half of 2020 at around 2 billion Norwegian kroners. Year to date, we have had organic investments of almost $6 billion, and we are on track to deliver on the full year $8.5 billion organic capex guiding for 2020. The net debt ratio at the end of the quarter was 31.6%, up from 29.3%. 1.3 percentage points is due to the impairments, while 1.5 percentage points is due to the share buyback program payment to the Norwegian state. Without these, the net debt ratio would have been slightly reduced in the quarter. So let me conclude with our guiding. For 2020, we expect a production growth between 1.5 and 2%. This outlook depends on how European gas market develops, where we use our gas production flexibility to boost value creation. The production impact from the strike on the NCS was marginal, and we expect a full recovery of the volumes by year end. The impact from maintenance in 2020 is expected to be around 30,000 barrels per day. We expect around 3% compound annual growth rate in equity production from 2019 to 2026. We also maintain our expected exploration expenditure level for the year of around $1.1 billion. The guided organic capex levels for 2020 and 2021 are unchanged at around $8.5 billion and $10 billion, respectively. And then to the closing. As you are aware, this will be my last analyst call as CFO of Equinor, and I would like to pass on my thanks to all of you for the engagement and the dialogue we've had over the last few years. It has always been a pleasure, and I know you will be in very safe hands when Svein takes on the role as acting CFO. And by that, Peter, I pass the word back to you as you open up for questions. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Last Christian. I also sort of pass the thanks that I've had from a number of people through to you as well. Take this opportunity to do that. Many thanks. And with that, can I pass the word through to Evelina, the operator, to run you through how you may poll for questions?

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you do wish to ask a question, please press 01 on your telephone keypad. If you wish to withdraw your question, you may do so by pressing 02 to cancel. So that is 01 to register for a question. We have a question from Oswald Klint from Bernstein. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Thank you very much, everyone. Good morning. And, yeah, thank you very much, Lars Christian, as well, for all your help. Just to keep it to one question and one follow-up, gas business, the European gas business, price is down substantially, but the natural gas Europe result was particularly strong, and the volumes were up. And I actually see that Oseberg was – pretty much pumping it at winter levels, even in the third quarter when it's normally the lowest level each year. And I know you have quotas around that particular field. So, I just wonder if gas prices stay high here in the fourth quarter, can you still take advantage of those or could there be some restrictions against that? My small related follow-up is, do you have any business interruption insurance for the Hammerfest issues? Thank you.

Thank you. To the last part of your question, the answer is yes. And to the first part of your question, the answer is yes. If the prices, gas prices in the fourth quarter is good and hopefully even better, then we have capacity both from a production point of view, but also from a quota point of view to to take advantage of that situation to create superior value. And then just sort of an additional remark from me, and that is that when it comes to production curtailments, those quotas have been, you know, imposed for the liquid-rich assets and not gas-producing fields like the Troll, for example.

Okay, got it.

Our next question comes from the line of Alvin Thomas from Exxon B&P Paribas. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hi, Lars. And yeah, sorry to see you leaving Equinor. Just one main question for me then. On the dividend and the increase at this point, I was just going to ask really, what gives you the confidence to increase it at this time, given what is a pretty uncertain macro outlook at the moment? Is this partly due to the tax incentives in Norway that'll help? And perhaps if I could sort of follow on the question and say, you know, what should we infer from this for the company's free cash flow generation going forward? And does it indicate that you think gearing has potentially peaked at the end of that quarter? Thank you.

Thank you for that question. I think the best way to answer your first part is actually to go back then to March, April, when we were really impacted by the drop in the commodity prices, huge uncertainty in many dimensions. One being, of course, the world didn't really know whether we were able to secure flow assurance meaning that we were able to sell the products we were not alone in that a lot of companies had that challenge we took some extra positions to secure transportation capacity and storage capacity and to weather that off We have benefited from that since then. We have also taken many measures to reduce our spending and secure the cash flow generation capacity. And we have good progress on the 3 billion programme, of which 700 is in the area of expenses, costs, that is. So that adds to it. And then, with a positive cash flow in the quarter of 260 million, after tax, after capital spending, and after a capital distribution of $1.3 billion. We feel that the discussion in the board was such that now we have more visibility and confidence on a forward-going basis. So that's why we increased the dividend by two cents per share. So, yeah. And the second part of that question was?

Sorry, I just wanted to follow it up.

On the cash flow.

Yeah, that's it. And gearing.

Yeah, on the cash flow. I mean, the gearing for this quarter, if you adjust for the impairments and the one billion in share buyback, then the gearing would have been slightly down. And I think, you know, as a CFO, and this is my last call and, you know, looking at what we've been able to deliver in, you know, and me contributing then together with the rest of the organization over the last, you know, two odd years, I think that the cash flow positive number for this quarter given sort of the commodity prices given everything i feel that is a strong sort of position to be in quite resilient and also if you look at the you know the unit production cost level the reduction of 20 percent and so on that's why you know we are quite sort of confident that this increase in the dividend is okay without me you know guiding of what the cash flow will be for coming quarters. But I think that's how far I'm willing to push it. And I'm going to warn you guys too, because I said to both Örjan and Mats and Svein that since this is my last analyst call, I'm going to hand more questions to them than I normally do. But so far, I'm hanging in there.

Okay. Thanks, Lars, and all the best for the future. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Lydia Rainforest from Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Thanks, and good morning. So, I was just thinking about, you talked about Exxon being very resilient, and yet there have been things that operationally haven't seemed to have worked quite as well, so things like the Norfolk fire or Paraguay being down or Casper site. So, Just as you think about leaving Equinor, where do you think you're leaving it in terms of operational performance? How much more is there really to go for in terms of getting the operational side completely right? And partly linked to that, I'm sorry, Peter, on the new energy business, you talked about Dogger Bank in the press release about a reversal of losses there, helping to be earning contribution. I'm just wondering sort of what that's related to. Thanks.

Could you repeat that last part of the question, please, about the Dogger Bank, Lydia?

I think just in the press release, you did talk about Dogger Bank, the part of the earnings performance in the new energies related to Dogger Bank or reversal of losses at Dogger Bank. And I was just wondering what that related to just from an operational perspective.

Yeah, okay, very good. On the operational side of it, the change of the risers, replacing them, is taking way longer time than what we expected, and that is due to the COVID situation in Brazil. but brazil is a country that is being you know more severely hit than than many others um so that is um that is why that is uh you know um dragging out um on on the snow that fire we are investigating it together with the norwegian safety authority and the norwegian police so there are three investigations ongoing on this one So I'm sure we're going to jointly get a really good picture on what happened and what have you to avoid this from happening again. And the reason for this to be put out for up to 12 months and the reason why we're kind of a little bit soft on and not very firm on how long and is that we used you know salt water to both pull out the fire put out the fire and also cool down their you know adjacent equipment so we use the standby vessels actually to to do this and of course salt water into a plant like this and all the electrical wiring and such takes time to get a good overview of what needs to be done and what needs to be replaced Other than that, I would argue that we have very good operational performance in the quarter. And I'm a strong believer in continuous improvement with all the small ideas. And in this case, I would like to, you know, you know, address more of the, I mentioned the smaller sort of incremental improvements, because that's where we really can get sort of the further improvement in this area. It's so wide set of ideas that comes up from the organization, it's just, you know, after 30 years and working offshore seven of them, I'm still, you know, immensely impressed by the ideas that comes up. everything related to sort of digitalization and you know operating from land you know onshore centers all that contributes to on top of this so i'm a strong believer that there is still more to come some incrementals and some you know more of a step up on the dogger question this current quarter result was you know, materially impacted by the revenues of losses in the Dogovan projects. This was partially offset by lower income from other equity-accounted investments, then including the effect of reduced ownership share in our Kona wind farm compared to the 2019. I'm not sure, Adrian, if you want to add to this or...

I can add a couple of comments to that. We have provided a loan to Dogger Bank in the early phase, and that is treated as part of the net investment. But when we then move on and we have another setup, then we reverse the cost book towards this net investment. It's fairly technical. This is part of the 60 million from the equity-accounted investment in the new energy solution.

That's very clear.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Johan Charenton from Societe General. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

First, thanks. Last question for your engagement with the sell side. And second, if I may, turning back to dividends. Also, the company delivered free cash flow in the third quarter. This morning's dividend hike occurred regardless of the renewed COVID-19 stress. And so while you indicated the four factors that are taken into account by the board to decide on dividend levels, where does the board play the line of sight? That's the key question mark. And I will add in relation to this, how much of the renewed COVID-19 stress fed into the 3-2 decision for dividends?

Thank you for the questions on the dividend. As Christian said in his introduction and his response as well, it's about what we said when we cut the dividend in the first half. We said that we did that based on the extraordinary market conditions that we were in at that point in time. There were issues then related to potential flow assurance. It was extremely low prices that we saw, both for the liquids as well as for the gas for that period. What we now have seen, we have seen that there is some positive recovery that we have seen, especially the gas prices, currently quite a lot higher. than we have seen in the beginning of the year, or the beginning of the crisis. So in totality, the board has then taken all this into consideration, also looking into all the improvements that we're doing. We are well on our way with the improvement program and the action plans that we communicated. So that was the basis then for them coming up with the dividend and setting that at 11 cents per share.

So this is not only to do with the quarterly results, this is also about, you know, visibility and confidence in, you know, the long-term earnings that we expect. Yes. Thank you. You're welcome.

Our next question comes from the line of Michele Della Vigna from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Thank you. Thank you so much, Christian, for your help over the years and all the best for the future. One question from me. When I look at your tax paid, you're saying that in the second half you have 2 billion krona. You received a refund of 1623. So am I correct that I should expect a payment of $400 million in the fourth quarter? And then secondly, could you please help me unpick the impact of the temporary tax regime on the third quarter cash flow. Thank you.

Yeah, introductory remarks by me and then Svein can fill in. You know, we got 1.5 billion in refund from the Norwegian state, and that was partly as a consequence of the changes in the fiscal regime, the tax changes, but also, you know, what we looked at as commodity prices then for the second half. And then we have had an uptake in the prices. so we expect actually you know net then for the total second half third and fourth fourth quarter a tax payment from us to the government of two billion norwegian crowners so i'm i'm not sure swine if you want to add to this no i think you explain most of it as as we communicated in connection with the second quarter we we then received the one and a half uh

in in payments uh for for first of august but also then being clear on on on that we are doing a recalculations for uh for the second installment that that we are doing the first of october so so based on what we are now seeing on the totality including the prices and those things, we see that we are in a position that for totality, we will pay them 2 billion Norwegian kroner. So we paid more in October, and then we will have a refund also in the December payments. That's the technicality of it. of how the Norwegian tax system is working. Of course, this has helped and been positive to our earnings, but also the things that we're doing by ourselves by improving the OPEC side and the prioritizations that we're doing is also, of course, supporting the cash flow for the quarter.

Thank you. I remind you that if you want to ask a question, please press 01 on your telephone keypad. This question comes from the line of Thomas Adolf from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Good morning, and thanks for taking my question, and all the best. Two questions for me, please. Just on shareholder distributions, and obviously gearing is now slightly above 30%. x leases and in the past year you mentioned that 30 is your threshold and you like it to be below that and when you look at 4q and 1q you have potentially strong free cash flow a generation assuming the oil price doesn't collapse i'm just wondering if there's a willingness or rather a discussion internally that once you come out of the uncertain winter corona season whether you could launch or relaunch phase two of the buyback. And then secondly, just looking at your production forecast for 2020, and if we look at the second half of this year at the time of the two Q results, Is it fair to say that nothing since has changed because of the flexibility you have in your portfolio? For example, Snobbit may be out for a while, but this can be fully offset by Troll and Ossibor producing more than originally planned. Thank you.

Yes, so on the gearing of 15 to 30, it's kind of the guiding range, but we are comfortable by being lower than 15, but also higher than 30%. And then, you know, there's a huge disclaimer. You can't interpret what I'm now about to say, you know, in one direction or the other, whether we are going to do it or not going to do it. But we have said that when it comes to the share buyback program, that that is temporarily paused. We are committed to go through with a full $5 billion program eventually. And then it's just a question of when and how much in the different installments going forward. And what we now are done on the dividend side is, you know, know the first change compared to what we landed on after we we cut the dividend by two-thirds and we have also said that we are going to have competitive sort of shareholder value creation so we will also you know honor that we will increase the capital distribution to the shareholders via one and or the other on a forward-going basis. But I can't tell you what that looks like. One, I'm not going to be around in the next quarter, and second, we don't guide on that. And then, Svein, any comments from you?

Just on the production question that you had for the full year, as we said in the remarks and as Christian said, is that expected 1.5 to 2 percentage point. Of course, it will depend on the gas prices and the outlook there, and we are utilizing the flexibility. Currently, the outlook for gas around more than $5 in Europe, so on the NBP, which has recovered quite a lot since the summertime. Then just a reminder also on the on the fourth quarter is that we have moved quite a bit of the turnarounds from second and third quarter where we normally do it on the NCS. We have moved turnarounds out in time, but we will also then do more turnarounds in fourth quarter on the NCS than what we normally do. So that is also taking into consideration when we do the outlook for the full year.

Can I just quickly ask you on dividend versus buyback? Obviously, your plan is to get the dividend back to pre-COVID levels eventually. But the buyback doesn't have to wait for that, right? I mean, you can be quite dynamic and opportunistic depending on the environment. And sometimes when prices are, share prices are low, buyback makes more sense, right?

You know, we are not allowed to think like that. For us, share buyback is all about capital distribution. But you are correct that share buyback might be a more flexible tool compared to kind of a steady dividend, unless you want to sort of pull out of the toolbox extraordinary dividend. But for us, share buybacks makes more sense than extraordinary dividend. because it secures sort of future value creation and shareholder distribution by reducing the number of shares and increasing the value per share in the company.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Rigby from UBS. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Thank you. Hi, Lars. Can I ask a question sort of linked to the report about North America investments? And obviously, there's some further impairment charges coming through this quarter. Obviously, hindsight tends to be 20-20, and so we're all experts looking backwards. But Is there some lessons to be learned here looking forward? Because it seems to me that analogous to, let's say, North American shale is the movement by the industry into investing into renewables and particularly wind. So I just wondered whether you're able to walk me through that. the rigor that you apply to thinking about investments into wind. I particularly say that because it does feel to me that it's starting to get that flavor of a sort of gold rush where everybody wants to invest in the same thing at the same time.

Thanks. Another really good question. On the impairments. The majority of it is related to two assets that we have mentioned, Bakken and Mariner. Bakken more on the pricing and Mariner price, but also on the reserves. Another way to slice this is actually to say that And the majority of the impairments for this quarter has to do with assets that we either acquired or sanctioned way back in time. And whatever we have sanctioned since then is much, much more robust. And that should not come as a surprise to you. You have seen year in, year out, we report on the improvement of the unsanctioned portfolio of projects when it comes to break-evens and such. But I think that is... something just to be mindful of that it's a lot of sort of history here that as long as those assets are part of your portfolio this is you know what we are facing but we're also quite proud and i must say i'm very proud of the job that the us onshore organization with support from you know technical base organization here in norway the huge improvements they have been able to deliver not only on the HSE side of it, and flaring is top-notch in many ways compared to the industry, but also on the operational performance and the costs, whether that is operations or drilling. So huge improvements that have helped us to make it more robust, but still challenging in the current price environment. But as you said, in the quarter, positive free cash flow also from the onshore business. So that is also important to just bear in mind. Then to the really core of your question, onshore being something that I think in the beginning was partly a game for flipping assets. It was more of a real estate game than necessarily oil and gas business. You bought land, you increased the value by drilling and improving up oil and gas, and then you hoped that someone would come and buy your land in many ways. We have seen that behavior that you're describing in the renewable side for a while. I think it's going to be fueled even more going forward. And that is why we have been very, very cautious on what we have been willing to bid for. And that is why we have been very restrictive also when we have first put in a bid that we're not going to bid away all the value creation. Because we do this because we want to build a business. We do this because we want to create value. And of course, if you're an NGO and think of this as saving the planet and reducing CO2 emissions, of course, this is part of the toolbox that the world in totality needs to turn to make that happen. But as a commercial company with responsibility in many dimensions, among one being the shareholders, we need to create value. And that's why we do this, but only then enter into assets where we can believe we can create value. I think we said this in a couple of investor calls some weeks back and months back. Going forward, I think it's going to be buyer's market in the oil and gas segment and seller's market in the renewable segment, when you look at the appetite and also look at the plans that many companies do have. But I'm very happy. walking out of the door now on tomorrow afternoon, my last day in the office, is that we have a 3% compound annual growth rate in the oil and gas business towards 2026. That's a healthy, good growth, just based on what we have. And we have a 30% annual growth in the renewable segment, in that same timeframe, annual growth, just based on what we have. So we are in a very good position to take the time to make this right and not jeopardize value or erode value or do some moves that in hindsight resembles what we now see in many cases for many companies in many assets when it comes to the unconventionals. So I'm not sure, Svein, do you have any additional comments? It was perhaps a long answer.

I agree with you. It's about, as we also said at the CMU, it's about value-driven growth. It's about creating value and creating profitability in the next business as we're moving along. And that's what we have based our strategy on. And I guess we have also been able to demonstrate a good value creation also lately with the divestments that we did. And as Lars Christian said, I expect to book again then in 2021 of around one billion on that transaction. So value over volume. Thank you for that, appreciate it.

Our next question comes from the line of Viraj Borkataria from RBC. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I've said a couple of follow-ups. Just on the renewables business, you are starting to build the track record of securing assets, starting to develop them and then monitoring them. And I suspect the capital employed of that business is now quite small on a net basis. Could you just clarify what is the current capital employed of new energies? And then the second question, going back to the dividend, you mentioned as part of the initial commentary you have good visibility on cash flow. Are you able to provide any color around expected cash tax payments for 2021?

uh or at least the first half of 2021 any color on that would be helpful thank you i can go on the um start with it with the latest one is uh for the first half of of the quarter and and then the cash taxes on on ncs it's uh how we are now seeing it is uh is then related then to um to the tax payment on the Norwegian continental draft, you pay half of the taxes in the year it happens and half of the tax in the year after. So in a way, that means that what we have said now is that we are then going to have 2 billion Norwegian kronor in payments than for the second half and everything else equally if the prices are as we projected and as we worked with it, then we should expect that we get the same than for the first half of 2021. So that's the way it work.

if prices are lower and higher and those things then then there will be an adjustment when we do the final calculations based on the results that we are generating also in in in fourth quarter do you take that yeah so so what we uh we have on our books of course this is equity accounted investments so so you need to put that into account so approximately approximately between 1.2 and 1.5 billion us dollar in in our books right now

as equity experiences equity content yeah our next question comes from the line of anderson please go ahead your line is open uh thank you for taking my questions uh it's my first congressional system on a very well-handed tenure and i'm sure that both your elder are happy when it comes to the sharp wires especially your new performance to peers so far this year. So job well done. Thank you for that. And over to my question, it's a little quick one, actually, this time around. Now, previously I heard from Ekinor that you have, at least after the summer, you were in process of securing the project financing of the bank. And by that, I got the impression that the debt facilities of the bank was not going to be placed by Ekinor or other, but more in terms of straightforward project financing. I'm just curious to know if you have an update on the actual financing of Storge Bank and if it's still looking to be project financed or if you will write that through Ekinor also and fund it through the prime company as you have in the past. Thank you.

Yes, perhaps Mats, you want to give it a go on this one?

Yes, thank you very much, last question. Very good question. So the way we do think here is that we always look from a totality where we look on how we finance things, and we are searching towards what makes most sense from a liquidity and a price perspective. We will consider project financing together with BP once they are fully on board on the project. So I think that's, I'll leave it with that.

Just, Mats, it was related then to the Dogger Bank, and in the Dogger Bank, we are in the process then for working with project financing on that asset together with our partner, SSE.

Okay, thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Alastair Sile from Citi. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Hi, and thanks for taking the question. Last question. I remember this call quite vividly last year, and I remember it because you ended up having to defend the oil price reset and people sort of criticised you for being too aggressive. You've now cut it again. I don't really want to get into discussion of what the right price is, but I'm intrigued about what stops you from simply using the Ford curve in the agreement analysis. Is it simply that doing so will put too much pressure on the balance sheet? I get it that you're not sanctioning projects on this basis, but my observation is that in a way you're creating an impression for investors that they're being asked to back a view that oil prices go back up.

Yes, and we believe the oil prices will go up again. This is a recurring topic and I talk to a lot of different sort of communities, whether that is investors, analysts, journalists or peers or what have you. And what I see is it's a now that discussion is somewhat skewed towards a huge focus on the demand side and the weak demand which we see now in the market but that's for you know more the short term but very little focus on on the supply side and what has been taken out of new capacity over the last year by projects being you know not sanctioned or postponed or you know stopped even in halfway into the project sort of development in a few cases so for us this is you know a huge and very thorough analysis everything from population growth to you know gdp growth in different countries we have you know supply demand for not only oil and gas but for other energy sources and what what have you and then you know you do the interactions and the simulations and we do sensitivities and robustness around it. That's why we have ended up with a revised set of prices, taking them down $13 for the 2020 prices, for example. And that's why I tend to use the word that it's growing insight. Because whatever we saw in March, April, in the drop in the commodity prices, including the forward prices that you referred to, there was not any fundamentals behind it. It was just the market reaction there and then and the assessment around that. But one really fundamental factor impacting the medium long-term supply-demand factors would be if you have a breakthrough technology to more of that. green or blue hydrogen works and it's profitable and can compete with whatever and you have CCS on top of it. That would be a game changer that will impact the medium long-term prices. And I also get this question about, is this in line with well below two degrees in Paris and all that? And who knows what the prices for well below two degrees scenarios in 2030, 40, 50 will be like. Low oil and gas prices stimulates to increase demand. High prices stimulates to drive in the direction of other sources. So what's the... truth that you know and no one knows until we are there out there you know out in time but what we are what is acquired of us from the regulator and an auditor and is that we have a personal view on what the prices should be like out in time. This is our best assessment and this is what we believe in to be, you know, the most likely scenario and the prices we will have until we deem them to be different. And that's the technicality part of it. The way that we then run the business when it comes to sanctioning projects is that we have a much tighter set of criteria. Internally, I have this six pack of KPIs that all my colleagues in the CEC have to adhere to and deliver on when it comes to sanctioning and exploring and buying and driving the business forward. So, yeah, that's the short answer to your question.

Thank you. I wish you all the best. What brings you next?

Thank you. I guess I will know my market value, hopefully, in a couple of months' time. Yeah, I don't know.

Our next question comes from the line of Christian Malik from J.T. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hi, love. Well, first of all, I wanted to say good luck and well done for an amazing tenure in terms of managing CapEx efficiencies. And, you know, I think what you've done has been quite extraordinary on the CapEx efficiency. But just coming back to the point around the oil price and your views, what strikes me is I'm quite perplexed as to how you have managed your dividend through the last six to 12 months. Because I remember six months ago, you were saying that the reason for the cut was to prioritise project investment. And since then, we've seen project delays. And yet, you still have the positive view on the oil price. So, it doesn't strike me as slightly counterintuitive, but why aren't you buying back stock I'm raising your capex, given you've got such a great portfolio, particularly in Brazil. So I just want to sort of square out your constructive view versus capital allocation, the priority of that allocation. While I welcome a dividend, I'm just not quite clear as to the logic in terms of how it's being prioritized in the capital frame.

Thank you. This is another big question, but very much to the core of what an executive committee needs to relate to and factor in when they make decisions and prioritizations. given the growth that I just mentioned, both in renewables and in oil and gas portfolio. And this is then, you know, value of a volume. But still, you know, you need to sometimes talk about the volumes because there will be no value without volumes. So this is about growth in oil and gas and growth in the renewable side. Profitable. And one of the learnings is never run a business just based on one KPI, because that will drive the business in a direction you don't want to. So you need a balancing act. But in our case, you don't want to either get the cost inflation back into our company. And the best way to get cost inflation back into your business is to start running. and we don't want to do that because one of the key learnings has been to you know just you know work the assets and the project diligently walk you know one day to the next and make it work and you know this is also about our capacity of course we could have you know we have a huge sort of you know list of projects that we can tap into and and you know speed up even more in the short term But that would stretch the organizational capacity that we are having. And I'm afraid it will lead to more cost inefficiencies being brought in. So then you start eroding value again. And then that erosion leads to that you're not as robust as you would alternatively have been. So then on the... On this... Question then on prioritizing capital distribution versus capex. I mean, it's kind of a balancing act. You would like the shareholders and the market to see that this is a growth share price and also a dividend sort of share buyback sort of yield sort of share that you're buying into. And that's what you're trying to balance in this. And then you need to safeguard also your balance sheet, of course, from a gearing point of view and make this robust. The more than eight, around 8.5 billion that we took on on debt earlier this year was also At that point of time, we didn't know what the financial market would look like and response and the pricing and robustness given the early days of the COVID-19 or coronavirus situation. Now we know more. But at the same time, we're taking them on with a very low interest rate compared to the average that we have had. So, yeah, I'm quite proud of the balancing act that we've been able to deliver on.

Just a quick follow up. Should we make a change in terms of, you know, following your sort of transition, or should we assume that its capital frame is broadly consistent, just to manage our expectations in terms of the new management team?

Well, then you need to ask the new management team, I guess. I don't want to dare to go into that, if this is an overlooking one.

Yeah.

Our next question comes on the line of Jason Kenney from Santander. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Thanks. Maybe just ask a question about the renewables ambitions in a slightly different way. So if I'm modelling oil, gas and renewables on a total energy basis, I'm thinking Equinor will be around 6% renewable energy supply by 2035, which doesn't sound a great deal when you compare that to the European peer group, which could be 15% renewable energy by 2035. And even a couple of peers are targeting, you know, 22%, 25% renewable energy. So I'm adding up all of your renewable power, adding it on top of your hydrocarbons. So I suppose the question really is, You know, is that talk to 16 gigawatt of renewable power ambitious enough to truly kind of say that you are going to be a renewable-driven energy entity within the next decade?

On this one, I think... What at least we are able to show you is a visible path towards that number out in 2035 based on existing projects, which I think is good. Then on what you have on ambitions on top of it, I mean, we could, you know, that we too but you know i think what really makes sense for us is you know that path um back it with a concrete projects specific projects and then it's at balancing act two we don't know what the future of renewables will look like neither from a composition point of view or from a revenue sort of income point of view So where do you place your bets in this? It's back to John's question of, you know, is it sort of a bubble in the making? He didn't use that word, but that's what implicit in this question. And if so, you know, you want to tiptoe and walk this, you know, with the cautiousness, but also robust portfolio and quality assets. So that's the balancing act we want to take, because we want to create a business, we want to create value creation for you guys, and then safeguard the company. Yeah. Then we are off to the, is it the last question?

Okay. Thanks for that, Jason.

Our final question comes from the Lionel Martin Rats from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi, hello. I have a very short and practical one. So the CAPEX guidance for this year, I just wanted to check the math. It seems to imply, given the nine-month sort of total so far year to date, that it implies $2.5 billion of CapEx in the fourth quarter. But then looking at the CapEx guidance for next year also implies $2.5 billion a quarter. I just wanted to check that this is the correct interpretation. Are we now just looking at $2.5 billion of CapEx per quarter? Is that basically what it is?

svein yes thank you for the question uh what we have now said is that uh for for this year uh we we stick to our copy's guiding of around eight and a half billion dollars we are now just uh yeah almost almost then six billion in organics cap ex so far so so so so that that's the math and for next year we have also then said that uh Our guiding is then around 10 billion for 2021 in organic CapEx. So that's the outlook.

Thank you, Svein. And then if I could have some closing remarks from me. since this is my last analyst call as CFO of this great company, a company that I've worked for for close to 30 years, and I have been privileged with all the tasks and challenges that have been thrown at me in many ways of opportunities, but even more so, I'm really, you know, humble, but also appreciative of all the trust that my fellow co-workers have put in me and then to you guys that have called in and by guys i'm meaning both boys and girls You know, I really appreciate the time that I've had with you guys too. All your questions, we learn a lot from you, perhaps more than you think of sometimes. I understand that some of the questions are specifically related to us. And sometimes the questions are, you know, you want to hear our answer because you want to compare with someone else. So I learn, you know, what you ask other companies by the questions you ask us too. And you are helping us to improve and become gradually a stronger and stronger company. So by that, I wish also you all the best in your endeavors and whatever you have of jobs now and the future holds for you. And then I would just encourage you to be cautious and remember to stay safe. Thank you.

This now concludes our conference call. Thank you all very much for attending. You may now disconnect your lines.