Eversource Energy (D/B/A)

Good morning, and thank you for attending the Eversource Energy Q3 2024 earnings call. My name is Alyssa, and I will be your moderator today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call, with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. It is now my pleasure to pass the call to our host, Rima Hyder, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Rima.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I'm Rima Haider, Eversource Energy's Vice President of Investor Relations. During this call, we'll be referencing slides that we posted yesterday on our website. As you can see on slide one, some of the statements made during this investor call may be forward-looking. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risk and uncertainty, which may cause the actual results to differ materially from forecasts and projections. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any of these statements. Additional information about the various factors that may cause actual results to differ in our explanation of non-GAAP measures and how they reconcile the GAAP results is contained within our news release, the slides we posted last night, and in our most recent 10Q. Speaking today will be Joe Nolan, our Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and John Marrera, our Executive Vice President, CFO, and Treasurer. Also joining us today is Jay Booth, our Vice President and Controller. I will now turn the call over to Joe.

Thank you, Rima. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on this call. Let me begin today's call with the year to date progress we have made on our many priorities and what has been accomplished, as highlighted on slide three. First, in the third quarter, we reached an important milestone with the seal of Revolution Wind in South Park Wind. to global infrastructure partners. We have exited the offshore wind development business. We are now a pure play regulated pipes and wires utility that delivers superior service and value to our customers. Offshore wind has been a complex and challenging journey, one where we made the decision to exit. We are proud of our contributions to advance offshore wind projects in New York and New England. We still believe that offshore wind is a vital solution needed for the region that will provide us with regulated investment opportunities. We will continue to be a leader in employing our strong transmission expertise to build our regulated onshore infrastructure that will support the clean energy transition in the region. Second, we have a robust capital plan through 2028, where we expect to invest nearly $24 billion in our regulated electric, natural gas, and water business. Our plan includes nearly $6 billion of transmission and over $10 billion of electric distribution infrastructure investments through 2028. These investments are necessary to meet increasing world growth, maintain safety and reliability and to achieve progress on the clean energy objectives of our three states. Third, we recognize that we have work to do to strengthen our balance sheet and improve our credit position. We have made good progress towards improving our FFO to debt ratio through timely cost recovery, proceeds from the sales of our offshore wind investments, and our equity issuances. As you expect, Our financial strength is critical to continue providing safe, reliable service to our customers and to continue on the journey toward enabling the clean energy future. Additionally, we will continue to advance the sale of Aquarian, work with key stakeholders to advance the need for timely recovery of costs, and maintain our continued focus on O&M cost opportunities to further enhance our cash flows. Fourth, we are confident that our robust five-year capital forecast and our forecasted financing plan will enable us to drive our five to seven percent EPS long-term growth rate through 2028. Lastly, we are a leader in clean energy transition with tremendous regulated opportunities ahead of us. As the largest utility in New England, Eversource is well positioned to meet our state's mandated clean energy goals. Turning to slide four, let me talk about some of the clean energy initiatives we are working on. Recently, working together with the six New England states, we secured approximately $90 million in federal funding for a clean energy hub in southeastern Connecticut. This Huntsbrook offshore wind hub will support New England's clean energy transition while improving grid reliability across the region. We also received approximately $20 million from the US Department of Energy to expand our battery energy storage project for Cape Cod area in Massachusetts. We're grateful to the DOE for this exciting opportunity to take our battery energy storage system to the next level to enhance electric reliability for our customers on Cape Cod. Turning to slide five, we are particularly pleased with our partnership with Massachusetts, as it is clearly the leader in the New England region in connecting decarbonization goals with investment needs. Our Electric Sector Modernization Plan, or ESMP, was recently approved by the Massachusetts Department of Public Utilities. This plan is the roadmap for clean energy in the state, and we believe It can become the model blueprint for the nation. The ESMP provides for an additional $600 million in distribution investment within our current forecast period and unlocks a significant amount of transmission investment for interconnection infrastructure to enable clean energy projects. In developing our ESMP, we analyzed expected electric growth down to the circuit level. to identify grid investments needed over the next five years and beyond. These investments will increase electrification capacity by over 180%, thereby making Massachusetts a leader in delivering clean energy to its homes and businesses. And finally, as we have stated before, we are very pleased with the progress of our Massachusetts AMI program, which we and other stakeholders know is critical to enabling a clean energy future for our customers. We recently successfully implemented a new customer billing and information system in Massachusetts. The program is on track and we will begin the installation of the first smart meters next year. In Connecticut, we recently received a draft decision from Pura for AMI. While the draft decision is a step in the right direction toward deploying AMI and achieving the state's clean energy goals, we have filed comments on certain provisions of the draft decision that would be challenging for us to move forward. We are hopeful that the final decision will provide a clearer path to allow us to make this important investment for our customers. Turning to slide six, I want to highlight one of the most innovative low growth solutions we are working on in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The $1.5 to $1.6 billion Cambridge underground substation, the first of its kind and the largest underground substation in the United States, is another example of our progressive partnership with Massachusetts to address the growing electricity needs of Greater Cambridge and the region. This project has already received approval from the Energy Facility Siting Board. The project consists of a brand new 35,000 square foot underground substation incorporated into a residential and commercial project led by Boston Properties. It will be built 120 feet below ground and consists of eight new 115 KV underground transmission lines with capability for further expansion. construction is slated to begin in the first quarter of 2025. This unique investment opportunity would not be possible without the close collaboration between us and key stakeholders, including surrounding communities, and we believe this approach can be applied for future projects. I am pleased with our progress to date on all fronts and the dedication of our hardworking employees. As a testament of this hard work, Eversource was recently recognized by Time Magazine as the number one utility in the United States and one of the best companies to work for in the world. We are honored to receive the strong reinforcement of our position as an energy industry leader. Thank you for joining us on the call today. Eversource is uniquely positioned to leverage its skills, expertise, and skill to invest and utility infrastructure that provides a long runway of low risk regulated investment opportunities and earnings growth potential. We have spoken to many of you over the last few months and we recognize the importance of sustainable growth, strengthening our balance sheet and continuing to return value to our investors. I look forward to seeing many of you at the EI conference next week I will now turn the call over to John to walk through our financial results and progress made towards strengthening our balance sheet.

Thank you, Joe, and good morning, everyone. This morning, I will discuss our third quarter earnings results, including the impact from our offshore wind divestiture, provide a brief regulatory update, and review our financing activities. In the third quarter, we completed the sale of the offshore wind investment. As a result, we recognized an aggregate net loss under divestiture of $524 million. Included in this loss was approximately $365 million related to obligations under the sale terms with GIP, the majority of which is expected to settle once Revolution Wind reaches its commercial operation date in 2026. This estimate reflects the assessment of costs associated with the previously announced delay to the in-service date and higher projected construction costs of Revolution Wind, along with other components of the sales agreement with GIP. Turning to the quarterly earnings results on slide seven, Gap results for the third quarter were a loss of 33 cents per share. These results include an after-tax loss of $1.46 per share related to the offshore wind divestiture. Absent the offshore wind after-tax loss, recurring earnings were $1.13 per share in the third quarter compared with GAAP and recurring earnings of $0.97 per share for the third quarter of last year. Breaking down the third quarter earnings results by segment, starting with electric transmission, which earned $0.49 per share, compared with earnings of $0.46 per share in 2023. Electric transmission earnings increased due to our continued investment in infrastructure Electric distribution earnings were 57 cents per share for the quarter, compared with earnings of 50 cents per share in 2023. Improved results were primarily driven by base distribution rate increases at NSTAR Electric and at PS&H, offset by higher interest, depreciation, and property tax expenses. Our natural gas distribution business lost 9 cents per share for the quarter, compared with a loss of 10 cents per share last year. The improved results were due to higher revenues from investments in natural gas infrastructure, partially offset by higher property taxes, depreciation, and interest expenses. The water distribution segment contributed 7 cents per share this quarter, compared with 5 cents per share last year. The increase in earnings was primarily due to lower depreciation expense and higher revenues from a water company acquisition that closed in late 2023. Eversource Parent and other companies excluding the loss from offshore wind earned 9 cents per share this quarter compared with recurring earnings of 6 cents per share last year. The improved third quarter results primarily reflect a lower effective tax rate, partially offset by higher interest expense. Overall, our third quarter earnings results were in line with our expectations. We are updating our full year 2024 recurring EPS guidance to a range of $4.52 to $4.60 due to higher than anticipated interest expense. We reaffirm our longer-term 5% to 7% EPS growth rate. Turning to our regulatory update on slide eight, starting with Massachusetts. As Joe mentioned, we received a decision in August on our Electric Sector Modernization Plan, or ESMP. As a reminder, we filed an initial draft of the ESMP with the Grid Modernization Advisory Council in September of 2023 for their 70-day review. We held stakeholder workshops in November, followed by our final ESMP filing with the Massachusetts DPU in January of this year, which incorporated feedback from the advisory council and stakeholder recommendations. I'm pleased to report that this collaborative approach between the state's utilities and key stakeholders to enable the clean energy future resulted in the approval of an incremental 600 million of distribution investments to increase resiliency and to interconnect clean energy resources. As a result, we have increased our five-year capital investment forecast to 23.7 billion. Also in Massachusetts in late October, as per our settlement agreement, when we acquired EGMA, we received approval for our first rate-based reset filing. This filing will incorporate the infrastructure investments that have increased our rate base from approximately $800 million to $1.7 billion as of the end of 2023. This rate-based reset is subject to a cap on revenue change. With the application of this revenue cap, we will implement a revenue increase of $77 million this year and $62 million in 2025. As a reminder, the next rate-based reset is expected to be November 1 of 2027, current investments through 2026. Turning to New Hampshire, we are working through the cost prudency review of our late 2022 through early 2023 storm costs of $232 million, where we expect a final decision in the first half of next year. As a reminder, the determination of the final storm costs for recovery will be incorporated into our June 2024 rate case filing, and we anticipate final rates will be effective next summer. As part of the New Hampshire general rate case review, we have proposed to implement a four-year performance-based rate-making plan, including a capital support mechanism that would adjust rates annually. Interim rates reflecting a $61 million increase took effect on August 1st, providing rate stability for customers, and enhance cash flows for the company. Moving to Connecticut, as Joe mentioned, last week we filed written exceptions to Pura's draft decision in the AMI cost recovery proceeding. The schedule calls for a final decision later this month, and we are hopeful that the decision will provide the transparency needed to undertake this critical investment. Also in Connecticut, we expect to file a rate case for Yankee Gas shortly, where we have an operating revenue deficiency of approximately $210 million. This reflects core capital investments made since 2021 and projected investments through late 2026. Approval of our rate request will allow us to recover those costs and continue to make important investments in the future. keeping our system safe and reliable for our 252,000 customers in Connecticut. Turning to our balance sheet improvements, we have provided several major drivers that we expect to enhance our FFO to debt metrics as shown on slide nine. With the Connecticut rate adjustment related to public benefit costs in place effective July 1, our scheduled distribution rate increases, and closing of our offshore wind sales in the third quarter, along with additional regulatory rate recoveries and tax benefits, we continue to tick off a number of items to improve our cash flow position and make progress towards our FFO to debt target by 2025. On the sale of our aquarium water business, We have recently launched the second phase of the process, which would enable closing a sale by the end of 2025. Regarding our equity issuances, we have raised approximately $1 billion of equity through our ATM program and issued approximately 15.7 million common shares to date through October 24. In addition, we have issued 1.1 million shares of Treasury stock. In summary, as you can see on slide 11, we have a proven track record of earnings and dividend growth, and we are confident that our updated $23.7 billion five-year capital forecast and our forecasted financing plan will enable us to drive a 5% to 7% EPS growth rate. through 2028 based off of our 2023 recurring EPS of $4.34. I will now turn the call back to Rima for Q&A.

Alissa, we are now ready to take our questions, please.

Thank you, Rima. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason you would like to remove your question from the queue, you may press star two. If you are using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. Once again, please press star one to queue for questions and please limit to one question and one follow up. We will pause as questions register. Our first question is from the line of Char Peraza with Guggenheim Partners. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, guys.

Good morning, Char.

Morning, Joe. Joe, I just wanted to maybe start really quickly on Millstone. Just a lot of discussion in Connecticut on the public benefits charges. Now it sounds like the state of Massachusetts is involved in the dialogue. Are you involved in these conversations? Is the net positive for both sides with the state's bulk at pricing above the current $50?

Well, you know, I think it's interesting. I will tell you that there's a very strong working relationship between Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, as it relates to clean energy. You know, everyone's trying to do their part to secure clean energy for the region, given that we are capacity constrained here. uh you know i've been involved only to the extent that i understand the objectives um of these three parties the three bodies are my friends uh so we do talk about what they're trying to achieve i think you you know you have governor lamont that would like some of the other states to participate in millstone in terms of pricing i have not been privy to uh what the thought is around pricing i only have been privy to the fact that everybody is trying to bring something to the table as you know massachusetts has 1100 megawatts coming in from Clean Energy Connect in Canada, which they're passionate about. They have wind. We also have the Seabrook Acid, which is under contract. And we have, obviously, the Dominion. So those are some of the tools that we have available for a carbon-free New England. And what I take great comfort in is the fact that these governors are all very mature governors. They all get along very, very well. And I am very confident that they will come to a

uh a decision or a solution that is uh beneficial to all of the customers in new england got it perfect and then just lastly joe i mean orsted this morning took another impairment on construction contingency and market prices uh with revolution i think for another 250 million what what are your i guess reminds what are your obligations costs here under the gip agreement is this morning's orsted impairment included in your net loss for offshore wind um under the gip agreement are you going to fund the contingency and cost increase thanks appreciate it sure i'll turn it over to john hey charles john uh good morning um as you know in this quarter we did we did take a very uh sizable uh charge a loss on rev to the tune of

Um, 900Million, if you exclude the gain, uh, for sunrise, we were aware of the monopile issue that was, um, highlighted in, uh, in our stats commentary this morning. And, um, you know, we have, uh, factored, um, that, um, uh, concern into our, um, um, into that, um, charge. We will continue to work very closely with the parties, including G. I. P. and Austin. to monitor the progress that they will continue to make to mitigate this exposure.

Okay, got it. So everything's embedded in your charge rates and no incrementals as of right now?

As of right now.

Okay. Okay, perfect. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. See you in a couple days. See you next week.

See you next week.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Carly Davenport with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Morning, Carly. Good morning. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Hey, thanks for taking the time. Maybe just to start on the financing side, you know, you've now done about a billion dollars of equity for the year. Messaging has been sort of one up to 1.3 over the next several years, I guess, can you just provide some color on the cadence, looking into 25 and beyond on the equity side in the context of what you've now done so far in 2024?

Sure colleague, let me stop by asking answering the question in this fashion. It's really all about our balance sheet improvement. We are focused on that and I think this is the fact that we did issue a billion dollars as testament to how passionate we are about improving our balance sheet position. We will continue to update you as we progress. Obviously in the in the fourth quarter call, which is literally within months away, we will refresh our plan, give you our revised capital forecast, align it with our financing plan, and disseminate the equity needs over that forecast period. So be patient with us. We'll have more information in a couple months.

Great. We'll stay tuned there. And then maybe just a follow-up on the FFO to debt walk. Appreciate the update on the known cash flow enhancements moving higher here. Could you give us a little bit of a sense of when we look at that 3% to 4% benefit to FFO to debt from those enhancements, sort of how far you can get with the known enhancements versus having the Aquarian sale that's still kind of TBD built into those numbers?

Colleen, the purpose of this slide, once again, continues to be to highlight the major drivers of the enhancements toward that 3% to 4% improvement. All of the items, except for the one that we have highlighted as TBD, are known and measurable. The rate adjustments was something that we were well along in this process. In my formal remarks, I mentioned that just a couple of days ago, we got the mess of DPU to approve the EGMA, which was $77 million that went into rates November 1st, with a second rate adjustment happening 12 months from now. So all of those items are known, and obviously we have closed on both offshore wind transactions, and we highlighted the billion dollars of equity. That's also known. So I would say on these key major drivers, most of them are locked and loaded. The one that's still pending is the Aquarium sale.

Great to see the progress there. Thanks so much for the time.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nick Campanella with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Morning, Nick. Morning, Nick.

Hey, good morning. Morning, morning. So thanks for the time. Just wanted to follow up on Char's question around the offshore wind costs. I just, I recall that you kind of had the 50-50 sharing agreement with GIP and, you know, obviously some of the costs on Revolution have changed. Can you just kind of confirm, you know, are you now taking on 100%, or is there still more to go there, and what's that level look like now? Thanks.

Sure, Nick. We are at that point where we have reached that cap, so you are correct. Any further exposure would be shared 50% by Eversource and 50% by Austin. Okay, that's helpful.

And then, On the five to seven, I just wanted to kind of confirm, you know, you typically kind of rebase off of prior year actuals. So is that still kind of the plan as we get into the fourth quarter? So we would kind of take this new fiscal 24 guide and rebase off of that. And then does that five to seven include the aquarium proceeds or is that upside to the plan? And how should we think about that? Thank you.

Sure, Nick. Well, let me stop by saying that the Aquarium was a key component of our financing plan. So you can assume that that's in there. You know, we highlighted in that FFO to debt slide, it is part of the assumption, our financing plan. Right now, we have no reason to deviate from what we have done for many, many years, well over a decade, and that is to rebase as we move forward each year.

Thank you. See you at the EI.

Sure thing. See you at the EI.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dagesh Chopra with Evercore. Your line is now open.

Good morning, Dagesh.

Hey, good morning, Joe. Thank you for giving me time. Just a couple of clarification questions. One, is the Cambridge underground station investment, is that incorporated in the current five-year plan or would that be incremental?

No, that has been incorporated in the five-year plan. So a lot of that spending will happen between 28, but the phase-in of the in-service dates will happen over, think of it as a three-year period, 29, 30, and 31. But the bulk of the spend is on our current plan.

Okay. Thank you. So it's in the plan. Clear. Uh, how about the funding of the 600 million, uh, higher cap? I guess you'll, you'll, you know, that's, you'll, you'll give us an update on the Q4 call, I guess. So let me know. Maybe just then. Okay. Yep. Yep. Understood. Um, okay. So then maybe just, can you, uh, as you file this Yankee gas rate case here, in the back half of the month. Maybe just talk to your strategy there, what to expect. Will you be filing for a sort of a PBR framework like you've done in the other states? And then just how do you view the risk to ROEs given sort of some of the data points and decisions we've seen in the state?

Sure, sure. I would tell you that we are introducing PBR. We like that construct from a rate stability that's worked very well for us in Massachusetts. We have recently introduced PBR in New Hampshire, so we would like to see that play its way through the Connecticut. So we are proposing a construct that we feel is appropriate. I would say in terms of Yankee and how it's viewed, we view Yankee as a very well-run organization. We make investments that are needed to continue to provide safe and reliable gas service to the Connecticut customers. Yankee Gas has been under-earning for quite some time, so cash flows are very important to the company. And we would like to enhance the cash flow position for Yankee in order to continue to make these needed investments. Of course, we are practical in our plan. We will hope to plan for very constructive outcomes.

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate the call.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Bill Apichelli with UBS. Your line is now open.

Morning, Bill. Good morning. Good morning. Can you maybe just expand upon the comments around the Connecticut draft decision, the AMI docket? You mentioned some conditions that you'd like to see modified. Can you maybe just expand upon what you'd like to see to make that a more acceptable outcome?

Sure. One of the things that I think is important for us as we make investments, not only in our other jurisdictions, but in Connecticut, is to have a clear path for regulatory recovery of our costs, as well as sound legal standards around any decision. It's a big investment. It's an important investment. And, you know, the decision that we received, you know, it was a significant improvement, but there are certain aspects of that decision and certain elements of that decision that we need to get comfortable before we're willing to expend the capital, you know, for the AMI program in Connecticut. So we have commented, obviously, it's a very comprehensive decision. docket. There's a lot of details. Obviously, the devils are in the details, but the wind-up is clear regulatory certainty on the recovery of our dollars that we spend, as well as sound legal principles contained in that order, so that we can take comfort that when we invest the money on behalf of our customers, that we will get our money back.

Okay, and so then How would it work after the final decision? I mean, do you, uh, is it potential to scale some of the investment, you know, up or down, or would you have to sort of make a decision to do the program or not?

Well, I mean, we'd have to make a decision to move forward. I mean, a couple, as you know, the elements of it, um, which has gone very, very smoothly here in Massachusetts. Uh, you know, I've been in this business for 40 years. I never thought that I would put in a, a billing system because as you know, it, it always ends badly, but we just put in a billing system. SAS billing system, SAP I mean, and we've got tremendous, tremendous success to the point that we've won several awards for the implementation. So I am very, very pleased with that. But that would be the first thing that we would need to invest. Obviously, we'd change out the billing system and then begin the implementation. But AMI is not something you can do piecemeal. You're either going to jump in and make the investment or you're going to wait until such time as you have the regulatory certainty needed. But I will tell you that if you really want to enable the grid, you want to get to a clean energy future, AMI is really the answer to that. The opportunities in AMI around allowing customers to understand how they're spending their money, folks that want to interconnect some of their distributed generation, whether it's solar panels, whether it's a vehicle, those things are very, very important. AMI is critical to enable that grid. It's kind of an all or nothing. I don't see any kind of piecemeal there. Okay.

And then just the second part, on the higher interest expense, was that more timing related or rates being higher or just more debt being issued?

I would say, well, obviously, because of the delay in offshore wind, we did need to be a bit more aggressive. with our debt offering so it's a combination of rates and volume higher debt outstanding okay all right great thank you very much thanks bill thank you the next question is from the line of jeremy tonet with jp morgan your line is now open hey jeremy good morning jeremy good morning hey

Just want to dive into Aquarian a little bit more, if I could appreciate those limitations, what you can say at this juncture, but just any other high level comments that you could provide as far as, I guess, level of interest, how processes tracking versus expectations and how you think about, I guess, you know, value achieved versus timing of sales execution here, just any other color would be great.

Sure. This asset, received a lot of attention. There's significant interest in the asset. It's a two-step process. We completed the first step. We are down to the buyer list that we're going to deal with. We feel very, very good about the process. The interest is exceeded our expectations. And we do expect that in the first quarter, by the first quarter, we'll have an announcement on the winner of that. And then in Connecticut, there is a statutory... process of six months, and we feel very confident that we will close this transaction in 2025.

Got it. Great. That's very helpful there. Thanks. And just, you know, wanted to touch on the equity a little bit more. Can you just remind us, maybe I missed it. Apologies for that. If any of the equity issued was forward sale or just wanted to make sure it was straight on that.

No, no, those are the equity issuances were not put on a forward. So the cash is in the door.

Great. That's it for me. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ross Fowler with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Morning, Ross. Morning. Good morning. So just a couple questions for me on sort of going forward looking at regulation. We've talked about Yankee and the deficiency there and moving that to PBR. Have you got an initial estimate or a feel for how the PBR shift would sort of layer that into customer rates over time?

Well, one of the reasons that we like PBR, it does create a nice rate stability for our customers. You know, you have these annual inflationary adjustments plus an additional performance added for the utility. So we really like that aspect of it. And I think that having that PBR, that annual rate adjustment, it does in fact mitigate the volatility that would be led from a general rate proceeding. So we very much like PBR. You know, we're not afraid of having those performance tied into, you know, targets that we can achieve that are reasonable and practical for us. So we are a performance-based culture, and we look forward to that proceeding.

Yeah, maybe on that point, John, just kind of thinking about Massachusetts, and what you've got there in terms of a regulatory setup. Give us maybe some color on the process of full electrification. We've seen some policy statements that are pushing that forward in Massachusetts. How do you think about two things? One, there's probably some bill pressure coming from that, but you've got some PBR there as well. But how do we contextualize also the other side of that, which is some capital opportunity that you guys have already started on, but just trying to Gauge the upside there as you continue that transition in the state.

Sure. I think the model that Massachusetts has deployed is one that we are very supportive. And as Joe mentioned, we feel that that's something that other utilities could adapt to on a broader perspective. There was a lot of, with the ESMP, that's the mechanism that I'm referring to, there was a lot of stakeholder collaboration to balance the investment needs to achieve electrification. We think that that's a very great model for all parties involved, very balanced. So when we filed that ESMP with the DPU, the DPU knew exactly what had happened before we filed that. There was support by key stakeholders of that filing. So it kind of makes the regulatory and the utility process from a rate making standpoint a bit more straightforward, if you will. So we are very supportive of that. What we are implementing now is that, think of it as that first wave, the first four, five years of spend. Massachusetts wanted to look beyond that period, look at what's gonna happen in 10 years and beyond. So we think it's a very collaborative, process, and we're very much supportive of it.

Yeah, it's perfect, John. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Steve Fleischman with Wolf Research. Your line is now open.

Morning, Steve. Yeah, hi, everybody. Good morning, Joe, John. Thanks. Just wanted to close the loop first on the Revolution. Orsted also mentioned higher vessel costs for their impairment. Just wanted to clarify that that was also updated when you closed your sale.

Yes. So we were aware of those issues when at the time that we did the charge. And the vessel issue has been rectified and We have that behind us. So we just need to keep monitoring the project development as we progress.

Okay. And then a simple question. I'm not sure I missed this, but just the guidance range for this year, you know, just the midpoint down a couple pennies, not a big deal. Is it fair to say that that's just the equity issuance maybe coming a little earlier in the plan? Or is there some other driver this year?

No, I would say the equity issuance was pretty much right on plan as to what we anticipated. It was really more of the interest, the assumptions that we had in the plan. We were hoping for further Fed actions to be taken sooner in the year, and that came a bit later. So it's really interest related.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Thanks, Steve. See you next week.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Travis Miller with Morningstar. Your line is now open.

Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Travis.

Hi, Travis. Hi, there. Just a little more on the ESMP and kind of higher level linking it with the whole clean energy idea. If you were to kind of put it in a percentage basis, how far does this get you, just that program, the $600 million, get you to kind of either where you need to be or where you want to be in terms of clean energy electrification? And I guess another way to think about it is how much more is there to go to get to where you want to be? Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, I know exactly where you're going. I think it's the starting point, but once again, I want to remind you that it's not just the ESMP program. Prior to the ESMP being implemented, we already had another program that the DPU had previously approved. Kind of the same investment needs, and that's interconnection of clean energy resources, primarily solar in Massachusetts. We refer to that as the SIP program, CIP. And that program that we filed for, it was six clusters throughout the state of Massachusetts, predominantly in the southeastern part of Massachusetts. So with six individual clusters, the DPU has approved five of the six. And that program was approximately a billion dollars of a combination of T and D investments that we would make. So that was kind of the first wave, if you will. And that was baked into our five-year plan. So ESMP is the second wave, but there is more to come.

Okay. Beyond the ESMP. Okay. Correct. Okay. And then Connecticut, you've been pretty forthright and public about the fact that you don't want to invest until you get better regulatory treatment there. Other than the AMI, what types of larger projects or are there even larger projects that are sitting on the sidelines right now that might come either gas or electric if there were a positive at the Yankee Gas or on the electric side?

So I would say obviously the AMI is one that we would like to see the pathway to move forward. But as it relates to other investment opportunities, obviously we have to be very mindful that the recovery mechanism absolutely needs to align as to when and the extent of those investments that we make in the state of Connecticut. It's not about revenues. It's not about net income. It's all about getting the cash in the door to pay for those investments, whether they're O&M or capital. So that is critical for us as any utility would operate. You really need that cash flow to be coming in a bit more timely. Kicking the can down the road really doesn't accomplish net benefits for customers. It's short-sighted, and we just need to work collaboratively with Connecticut to be able to invest the necessary investments to continue to make the system reliable and safe.

Sure thing. Okay. Thanks for the thought. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Julian DeMolise-Smith with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Oh, good morning, Julian. Hey, good morning, team. Hey, how are you guys doing? Good to chat. Thank you. So just wanted to follow up on a couple cleanup items here. I know earlier you were talking with Carly there about FFO to debt. Can you just give us a little bit of sense of where you stand as of your kind of year-to-date sense as you track towards that improvement? I mean, I know you list out what the items are, but how are you doing against that target, if you will?

It's increased significantly from where we were in 23. So we have been making improvements. I would prefer to leave it at that, Julian.

Yeah. Okay. I got you there. And then separately, a little bit of a cleanup item. You've talked a little bit about this elevated interest expense here. Can you give us a sense, like what is that gross run rate kind of year end, you know, exiting or starting in a 25 view? Well, just because that nets against the parent, a positive here, if you think about it, is there kind of any way to kind of give us a gross magnitude that you're thinking about there at this point, or even as a report of run rate?

Just so I'm clear, can you repeat that question again?

Yeah, you talk about elevated parent interest expense. Maybe can you give us a sense of what that gross run rate is at this point, if you will, whether quarter end or entering 25 or what have you?

Well, if you look at the debt that parent has, you can calculate that. But remember, we were out there issuing equity the first half of the year. We didn't get the win proceeds. We didn't get the cash flows. We didn't get the equity, the cash from the equity issuance until the second half. And it was predominantly in the third quarter that we issued the bulk of that equity. So it did create a drag. Obviously, having the billion dollars in the door, that has gone to offset some debt and enhance the interest.

Awesome. Yeah, absolutely. Just quickly on the new substation, kudos there. um, interesting development there. Any, like, how do you think about the cost provisions and recovery mechanisms there? Just give us a little bit of a larger size, if they're going to ask on that front.

Yeah, again, um, you know, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the public utilities, uh, gives us clear line of sight. We've got solid, uh, estimates on that. And this is a transmission asset, uh, as well, the predominantly transmission. So FERC regulated, uh, and we feel good about it. We've, uh, We've been working at that for several years in terms of estimates and pricing, and so we don't anticipate any lag in terms of the recovery of $1 of that expenditure over there.

Got it. Okay, fair enough. Thank you guys very much. See you soon.

Thank you. We'll see you next week.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Andrew Weisel with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Morning, Andrew. Hi, Andrew. Good morning, everyone. First question I have for you is on the South Fork tax equity investment. You're still showing the $500 in the cash flow walk. My question, though, is given the timing of some of the losses and write downs, do you still expect that full benefit to show up in by year end 25 or might some of that spill into 2026 or later?

Andrew, I actually think that that'll spill into beyond 26, and let me explain why. And the reason that we've left that number, 500 million, is not for the lack that we haven't found other tax benefits that we want to utilize prior to tapping into the ITC bucket. So we have been fortunate to utilize other tax credits before tipping into that bucket. So that 500 Although there will be a shift out, but we've replaced that with other tax attributes.

Okay, got it. So the dollars will be replaced with other dollars. So the math still works. You'll be able to use those credits in later years, in other words. Is that right?

Correct. Correct. And that's one of the items that we'll give you an update on the fourth quarter cost.

Okay, great. That's helpful. Then more broadly on that walk, I always appreciate the details, even though there's a lot of moving parts, well, because there's a lot of moving parts. When I look at the bottom line there, obviously you're now showing $3.75 billion. That's up quite a bit from $2.6 billion last quarter. The punchline is still 14% to 15%. How do you trend, though? Does that mean that you're more confident in that? Are you maybe thinking more of a higher end versus a low end? Or is it just more better visibility in getting to that range?

Well, I would say that, you know, we didn't quantify. We had it as an item that says TBD, equity needs, the aquarium on sale, and rate cases. So we've just included more known and measurable items, such as the billion dollars of equity needs and the rate increases. But I would say that we're still in that 14 to 15% range.

Okay, that's very helpful. Then last one, high level in Connecticut. You talked a lot about the AMI, and more broadly, obviously, it's a tough environment, not only in terms of approvals, but there's a lot of concern about affordability. My question is, when you think about putting capital to work in Connecticut versus other states, what should we expect when we see the CapEx update in three months? I'm not looking for numbers. I know we have to be patient. But how do you think qualitatively about putting capital to work there versus in other more constructive states? And is there potential to maybe move more capital away from Connecticut like you did a few months ago?

Yeah, well, that's, I mean, a few months ago, as you know, we took $500 million out of that plan. And we will continue to monitor it. And obviously, if things change down there and they decide they want to provide timely cost recovery and follow legal standards, we will redeploy the $500 million. But I will tell you, I take great comfort that there's a significant amount of opportunities for investment across the Eversource portfolio. We've got two jurisdictions, New Hampshire and Massachusetts, that there's no shortage of opportunities for investment that give us timely recovery of our costs. So again, we're staying very, very close to it. And I am an eternal optimist. The glass is half full. And I hope that We do see a change down in Connecticut so that we can make the investments that are needed for our customers.

All right. Thank you very much. I would just add that our focus to get the balance sheet to where we need to be is really for the benefit of customers, and we're very focused on that. So it's important that we get timely recovery of these investments in our operating costs. Otherwise, utilities are just going to be forced to kind of pull back on both buckets.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Angie Storzinski with Seaport. Your line is now open.

Morning, Angie.

Thank you. Good morning. So lots of questions. So thanks for squeezing in. Just one question about your earnings benefit from the NECC transmission line. I remember in the past when we had waited for that project to come online, there was like an earnings benefit associated with the interconnection into this transmission line eventual. And I'm just wondering if that's you know, if you could quantify that benefit and also if that benefit changed depending on the capital cost of this project, you know, given the recent increase that was approved in Massachusetts. Thank you.

So, Angie, just to be clear, that's not one of the projects where we were seeking opportunities from an interconnection standpoint, if that's what you're referring to. The benefit that we get from executing the PPA agreement is the remuneration.

That's right. Okay. So there's no like earnings benefit just to, okay.

No, there is. There is. The earnings benefit is because of the size of the PPA over a long period of time in order to preserve and strengthen our balance sheet, we get a remuneration on the annual billing. for that project. So it's about 2.25, 2.25% that we get. Okay. And that's what helps us maintain and the earnings that we were able to recognize from that project.

And that percentage is over the cost of power delivered or just, again, is it linked to the cost of the project?

it's the value that we bill our customers so that contract is um all utilities in massachusetts all electric utilities have to execute the ppa so if we bill a dollar to customers we get a dollar oh two i understand okay okay okay i might uh blow up in the past and also um i mean uh

And I understand that the saga associated with those transmission lines over the last couple of decades, actually. But how are you, I mean, looking at these projects, you know, going forward? I mean, would you consider maybe reviving your transmission line from Canada? I mean, how do you actually see that the supply backdrop for your, well, for New England and overall, you know, given the low growth that we're seeing? And granted, I understand that most of the other data centers are not going to be in New England, but I'm just wondering how you think about the supply-demand dynamics in New England.

I'll just tell you that where we sit today, we are a pure-play regulated utility. I've promised all of you on the call and many others in the world that we are not going to swing for the fences anymore. We're looking for the singles and the doubles. We're looking at it in the regulated space. So I don't want anyone to worry that we are going to go and propose a transmission line to Canada as a merchant project because that's not something that we would do. That would definitely deviate from this company's plan to be a purely regulated pipes and wires company.

Okay. See you guys soon. Thank you.

Thank you. See you next week.

Thank you. Our last question today comes from the line of Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, Paul. Hey, good morning. Last but not least, hopefully. So really quickly on the AMI, when I looked through your exceptions, I mean, I understood pretty much all of it. The only thing is with the O&M, it seemed to me that this was And correct me if I was wrong, you guys were concerned about just the ability to institute the rate increases. That seemed more of the issue with the incremental O&M than there being a dispute about the incremental O&M.

Am I correct in that? Paul, why don't we have my investor relations team kind of take you through some of those details, if you don't mind?

Okay, no problem. And then with respect to one of the things that we're seeing, and I know this isn't necessarily directly associated with you guys, but there is this discussion about offshore wind, some concerns about the impact of offshore wind costs on Connecticut. And I know this isn't specifically, you know, you guys are getting out of the business, obviously, and what have you. But there's a discussion about swapping Millstone, again, not your facility, with perhaps offshore wind and what have you. And I was just wondering if if you um how you guys i mean from your perspective are are seeing these um are seeing this this sort of longer term regional questions about offshore wind and connecticut's participation maybe in it what have you um having any potential impact or um just any comments you have about how you see the uh so basically angie's kind of question here about the uh the outlook for um for power prices and, and what have you in the state, even though they may not be directly, um, associated with your business. Nonetheless, you guys are delivering the power to people and you guys are concerned about affordability. I know. So just what are you, what are your thoughts about the discussions that you're, that we're hearing about offshore wind and potentially the swap with nuclear?

Yeah, well, I just will tell you that, uh, you know, as I mentioned earlier in the call that you've got three governors, uh, that are very actively engaged around the clean energy story. And it's kind of like a potluck supper. You've got Connecticut wants to bring nuclear to the table and Mass has the hydro coming in out of Canada. You've got a nuclear plant in New Hampshire. So there's a lot of folks that want to bring certain energy resources to the table. You know, the governor of Connecticut would like to have some of the other states pay for the millstone assets. I think Massachusetts would like, you know, Connecticut to pay for some of the wind assets. So all I'll tell you is that what I take confidence is that there's this very strong working relationship between the New England governors. I mean, they're all very, very cordial, and I have no doubt in my mind that they'll come up with a solution. that will benefit all of the customers of New England. I mean, we are in a tough situation given our location, and we are capacity constrained, and we're not seeing new resources other than, say, the wind and the hydro coming. Those are really the only injections that are taking place at this point. So I'm optimistic. We'll see how it plays out, but just know that there is very constructive dialogue going on, that everyone has to kind of take a piece of everyone else's uh recipe i gotcha and then just respect to the climate bill yeah you know highville massachusetts uh you know obviously we're very pleased we were certainly had a major seat at the table there and i think it's uh the one understanding i think that everyone sees is if you want to have a clean energy future and you want to electrify uh you know, infrastructure needs to be cited in a timely manner. You can't wait five years for something at 10 years. So, you know, one of the things that I'm most proud of is that, you know, we have a very active presence in environmental justice communities. We want to make sure that nobody's adversely impacted. And I think that's what allowed us to get the citing so smoothly in Cambridge is that, you know, when they went around the room as to, who had a seat at the table, I think everyone felt that everyone got a seat at the table and everyone's voice was heard. And consequently, we had a very favorable outcome.

Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back to Reema for closing remarks.

Thank you, Alyssa. Thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning. We will see many of you next week. This ends today's call. Thank you.

This does conclude today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.