Entravision Communications Corporation

Greetings, and welcome to the EnterVision Communications Corporation third quarter 2020 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. Setting what you require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kimberly Esterkin of Investor Relations, Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Entrevision's third quarter 2020 earnings conference call. I hope everyone is staying healthy and safe. Joining me on the call today is Walter Ulloa, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Chris Young, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I must inform you that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements. that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ. Please refer to Entrevision's SEC filings for a list of risks and uncertainties that could impact actual results. This call is the property of Entrevision Communications Corporation. Any redistribution, retransmission, or rebroadcast of this call in any form without the express written consent of Entrevision Communications Corporation is strictly prohibited. Also, this call will include non-GAAP financial measures. The company has provided a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures in today's press release. The press release is available on the company's website and was filed with the SEC on Form 8K. I will now turn the call over to Walter Ulloa, Entrevision's Chief Executive Officer.

Thank you, Kimberly, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today for Entrevision's third quarter 2020 earnings call. Entrevision had a strong third quarter with revenues improving sequentially across all three of our operating segments. Business picked up nicely in the quarter following the lows of the second quarter. We are excited about our prospects for the balance of the year as we head into 2021. Chris Young, our Chief Financial Officer, will speak further to our fourth quarter 2020 pacings later on today's call. Beginning with our top-line results, revenues for the quarter totaled $63 million, down 8% year-over-year, but up 40% sequentially. In line with our cost-cutting measures, consolidated operating expenses for Q3 2020 declined 21% year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA increased significantly and totaled $16.4 million for the third quarter 2020, up 79%. compared to 9.1 million in the prior year. A key driver of revenue in the third quarter has been our television and radio political ad sales. Political advertising revenue for the third quarter totaled 6.3 million, while core revenues minus these political sales totaled 56.7 million. With the election now two days behind us, political advertising as of today have surpassed our prior record as we are expected to total in excess of 28 million for 2020, compared to our prior peak political revenues of $16.6 million in 2012. Investing in the Latino market has been a large focus of both political parties, particularly in Colorado, Nevada, and Florida, where Democrats and Republicans alike have recognized the importance of the Hispanic vote. In Arizona and Texas, Latino voter registrations grew by over 10% in this election cycle and now represent over 20% of the total electorates which bodes well for Andrew Rich's prospects in future national elections. With that as the background, let's speak about each of our three operating segments in further detail. Television, our largest segment, generated revenues of $37.8 million with the third quarter, up 4% compared to the prior year, and up 40% sequentially from the second quarter. Breaking this down further, TV advertising and multicast revenue was up 4% for the quarter, while re-transmission consent revenues were up 3% year over year. Excluding political spend, our core television revenues declined 10%, with TV political revenues totaling $4.9 million in the quarter versus a non-material amount of political revenue in the third quarter of 2019. National advertising revenues were up 37%, driven mainly by political spend, while local advertising revenues were down 14%, as a result of the continued impact of COVID-19. Turning to our top 10 TV ad categories, although six advertising categories did see year-over-year revenue declines, nine out of our top 10 categories experienced improvements sequentially. Another indication that our business is trending upwards following the lows in the second quarter. Services, our largest advertising category, was up 27% compared to the prior year. and represents 25% of our total TV advertising revenue. On a sequential basis, services improved 28%. Auto, our second largest ad category, declined 19% year over year, but improved 94% from Q2 2020. Healthcare, our fourth largest category, was up 27% over the prior year and also improved 12% sequentially. Grocery stores were also up 8% year-over-year and up over 114% sequentially. The remaining six categories were down for the prior year with the exception of political. Next, let's discuss our television ratings performance for the quarter. In all cases, I will be referring to performance among Hispanic adults ages 18 to 49, unless otherwise noted. Our Univision television affiliates built upon their market leadership in August. In early local news, our Univision television stations finished ahead or tied with our Telemundo competitor in 14 of 17 markets where we have head-to-head competition. These same newscasts rank first or second against English and Spanish competitors in eight markets. Similarly, in late local news, we also finished ahead of Telemundo competitors in 12 of 17 markets where we compete head-to-head. Our late local newscasts rank first or second against English and Spanish competitors in 10 markets. Our local news teams continue to provide the latest COVID-19 updates to our viewers. Across all of our local newscasts, we saw peak impressions during the month of April in line with the initial spread of the pandemic. This trend continued into the third quarter, with August impressions increasing in eight markets for early local news and 13 markets for late local news compared to last year. Looking at our weekly stats during a full week, Univision and Unimog television stations have a cumulative audience of 4 million people ages 2 plus in our markets combined, compared to Telemundo, whose combined audience of ages 2 plus totals 3.2 million people. Now let's turn to our audio operating segment, which generated revenue of $11.5 million in the third quarter. Audio revenues in the third quarter declined 22% compared to the third quarter of 2019. Local audio revenues declined 31% year over year, while national audio revenues were down just 4% year over year. largely bolstered by political ad sales. Despite these year-over-year declines, EnterVision's share of the Hispanic radio audience is resilient, and revenues in this operating sector are moving in the right direction. On a sequential basis, audio revenues improved 70% from the second quarter. Further, in the 12 markets that we subscribed to Miller Kaplan data, we outperformed the market by 13.9 points in total revenue combined. Turning to radio advertising categories, services are largest category, representing 36% of our total audio revenue improved 26% over the prior year period and 54% sequentially. Legal services, including those related to immigration as well as government messaging regarding COVID-19 safety, represented a large portion of the services ads this past quarter. We also saw increases in the political ad and paid programming categories. Auto, our second largest advertising category, declined 49% for the quarter as compared to the third quarter of 2019, but was up 77% sequentially. Seventy percent of radio listeners listen out of home amongst Hispanic adults ages 12 plus. With less people commuting to work on a daily basis, listenership is down as an industry. Nevertheless, we saw a 71% sequential improvement on average for every single one of our top ten categories in audio for the third quarter. Remaining eight top ten advertising categories were all down year-over-year, with the exception of political ads, where revenues totaled $1.2 million in the quarter compared to an immaterial amount in the prior year. Our audio division rating is held strong for summer 2020. The Eurasia Electrocolata Show ranked number one in six of our nine markets, including Los Angeles, among Hispanic adults ages 18 to 49, and number one in seven markets, including Los Angeles, amongst Hispanic adults 18. ages 25 to 54. Across our nine O&O stations, the Arraso y la Turculata show reached more than 519,000 average weekly listeners in the Hispanic adults 18 to 49. On our tricolor network, our morning and midday programming were both top choices among Hispanic radio listeners. In the morning, El Flaco y Supandia continued to see success in markets such as Denver, Phoenix, and Sacramento. and ranked as the number one Spanish morning drive show in these markets amongst Hispanic adults 25 to 54, including Thais. High-profile shows, Eugenio Lucas, El Show de Piolín, Anchor on Morning Drive, and Midday Spots on Las Papasita Network, and on Jose in Los Angeles and Riverside. For summer 2020, Piolín ranked as the number one second Spanish language midday show in four of our NARN markets, including Los Angeles, among Hispanic adults 18 to 49, and Hispanic adults 25 to 54, including TIS. Eugenio Lucas ranked first or second among Spanish language programs in five of our eight annual markets among Hispanic adults 18 to 49, and in seven markets among Hispanic adults 25 to 54, including TIS. Our third and final operating segment is digital. We continue to build a portfolio of exceptional digital assets with creative and programmatic capabilities that meet our clients' needs. Earlier this year, we brought our digital capabilities together under a unified umbrella of solutions through the launch of EnterVision Digital, which provides advertisers and agencies a single source to reach consumers globally. Then, just post-quarter end, we announced a strategic majority investment in Cisneros Interactive, a digital advertising company serving over 2,000 brands and agencies each month across the U.S. and Latin America. This investment aligns with our mission to expand and enhance our digital advertising capabilities and service offerings, while positioning our combined platforms to be one of the largest premier digital advertising companies serving the U.S. and Latin American Hispanic market today. There's a lot more I'd like to discuss on this investment. It's important to enter into this long-term growth strategy. But before getting into those details, let's review our digital performance for the third quarter. Digital revenues totaled $13.7 million from the third quarter of 2020, a decrease of 22% versus the same period last year, due largely to the impact of COVID-19. Sequentially, digital revenues improved 20%. The use of mobile apps has surged this year. Mobile commerce and gaming have seen an unprecedented acceleration in their adoption by consumers. That's why we were proud of the work done by our product engineering and data science teams, who continue to improve our competitive solutions, Smatics becomes one of the leading performance-oriented programmatic platforms for app brand marketers, registering a growth rate of 9% during the third quarter. Also, we are happy to announce that Smatics has been shortlisted by industry publication Digiday as one of the best buy-side advertising platforms. Following an increased demand for gaming audiences, we launched Scroller Ads Play, an in-game advertising solution that allows brand advertisers to reach mobile gamers with non-intrusive ads during gameplay. Since its inception, we've onboarded 100 advertisers from diverse categories, such as automotive, financial, consumer product goods, and online streaming. We've received exceptional feedback from a delivery and performance perspective, with 90% of clients increasing spending after starting their advertising campaigns. Our digital video division increased revenue 84% versus Q2 2020, Also, as the world is moving into a more transparent and data-safe solution, DataXpand, our data marketplace and data services unit, has launched DataXpand Persona, its cookie-less data solution. As the use of third-party cookies for user identification is slowly being replaced by new technologies, DataXpand Persona is a state-of-the-art solution for data-driven marketers to target quality users and prospects with digital advertising. IntraVision is building a portfolio of digital assets that possess digital reach, data insights, and creative and programmatic capabilities. Overall, our strong third quarter results demonstrated the resiliency of our media assets, even in the most difficult of market conditions. We are very pleased to see sequential growth across the board, growth that is preparing each of our operating segments to return to their pre-COVID-19 levels as the economy bounces back. To speak further about this, This sequential growth, our third quarter performance, and our fourth quarter outlook, I'll now turn the call over to Chris Young, our Chief Financial Officer.

Thank you, Walter, and good afternoon, everyone. As Walter discussed, revenue for Q3 totaled $63 million, a decrease of 8% from the third quarter of 2019, but up 40% sequentially. For our TV division, revenues totaled $37.8 million, up 4% year-over-year. Retransmission revenue totaled $9.1 million, up 3% year-over-year. For our audio division, revenues totaled $11.5 million, down 22% over the prior year period, but up 70% sequentially. The decrease in revenue was mainly the result of decreases in local advertising. Last but not least, digital revenues totaled $13.7 million, a decrease of 22% year over year, but moving in the right direction sequentially, being up 20%. Our conservative cost structure remains a focal point of our business. As noted last quarter, we continue to take strategic steps to limit our expenses and ensure that our company can weather the impacts of COVID-19. We anticipated cutting fixed and variable costs by approximately $11 million during the third quarter, and we did, when you exclude one-time expenses associated with our recent Cisneros Interactive acquisition. Operating expenses for Q3 decreased 21% year-over-year to total $34.1 million. SG&A expenses were $9.9 million for the quarter, a decrease of 21% compared to $12.5 million in the year-ago period. Direct operating expenses totaled $24.2 million for Q3 2020, a decrease of 22% compared to Q3 of 2019. Finally, corporate expenses for the quarter decreased 7%, totaling $6.3 million compared to $6.8 million in the same quarter of last year. During the third quarter, our buyback remained on hold. We also maintained our dividend at 2.5 cents and continued to eliminate expenses at the operating and corporate levels deemed secondary to serving our core media businesses. We did, as I mentioned before, incur some expenses related to our strategic investment in Cisneros Interactive of approximately $1 million, which was primarily legal and financial due diligence. Going into Q4, we expect to maintain the majority of our operating cost cuts. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA totaled $16.4 million, up 79% year-over-year. Income tax expense was $3.7 million, while cash taxes paid totaled $5.1 million. Cash taxes were high as a result of one-time payments for certain states related to proceeds from the FCC broadcast incentive auction back in 2017. Free cash flow as defined in our earnings release was approximately $10.6 million in the quarter compared to $326,000 in the prior year period. Earnings per share for the third quarter 2020 were a positive 11 cents compared to a loss of 14 cents per share in the same period last year. Net cash interest expense was $1.3 million for the quarter compared to $2.5 million in the same quarter of last year. Cash capital expenditures for Q3 totaled $2.1 million compared to $7.2 million in the prior year. We anticipate CapEx will be approximately $8 million for the full year 2020. Turning to our balance sheet, which remains very strong, cash and marketable securities as of September 30, 2020, totaled $136.5 million. Total debt was $216 million. Net of $75 million of cash and marketable securities on the books. Our total leverage as defined in our credit agreement was 3.6 times at the end of third quarter. Net of total cash and marketable securities, our total net leverage was two times. Before turning the call back to Walter, I'd like to review our pacing for the fourth quarter. As of today, our TV advertising business is pacing plus 46%. Our audio business is pacing plus 15%. And our digital business, including revenue from Cisneros Interactive, is pacing plus 250%. We acquired Cisneros Interactive for $29 million on October 13th. For the final two and a half months of Q4, Cisneros Interactive is pacing to add approximately $55 million in revenue and $1 to $1.5 million in incremental EBITDA to our fourth quarter results. With that said, I'll turn the call back to Walter to speak more about our recent strategic investment into Cisneros Interactive. Walter?

Thanks, Chris. The media space is evolving and demands more performance-based, transparent, and digital-focused solutions. To best service our growing client base, We therefore continue to enhance our product portfolio, including more digitally driven products and solutions. As part of this evolution of our business, we look to align ourselves with other high-growth companies such as Cisneros Interactive. Our strategic majority investment into Cisneros Interactive will advance our digital service offerings to our clients while also expanding our digital operating segment revenues. Cisneros Interactive is anticipating approximately $200 million in full-year 2020 revenues and and $10 million in EBITDA. As a majority investor, EnterVision will record 51% of Cisneros Interactive's fourth quarter financial performance post-closing. Cisneros Interactive is primarily a wholesaler of advertising for some of the world's leading digital technology companies, including Facebook, Spotify, and LinkedIn, whose businesses have remained resilient from the impact of COVID-19. In addition, they have a strong digital audio unit, audio ads, to complement audio exchange, our current digital audio business. $29 million investment into Cisneros Interactive represents approximately six times multiple of cash flow, which is in line with our previous acquisitions. In terms of the future, Entrevision remains opportunistic when it comes to acquisitions, and even with the impact of COVID-19, our balance sheet remains strong. The strength of our balance sheet combined with our cost-cutting measures has positioned us to comfortably make this strategic investment. Going forward, we will look to add companies to InterVision's portfolio of digital and media assets that are accretive in the first one or two years, as well as contribute significant cash flow to the company. In summary, InterVision's third quarter, along with the overall economy, had its challenges. That said, our business is making a very positive turn and trending in the right direction as shown by our strong third quarter results and fourth quarter pacing. In addition to the anticipated strength of our political advertising revenues, other key ad categories from auto to financial services are making good progress. Our television and radio programming has a strong summer season, and we are anticipating continued rating strength in the fall. Thank you again for your time today and for your continued support of IntraVision. Chris and I will now be open for questions.

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. One moment, please, while we poll for your questions. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Kupinski with Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. First of all, congratulations on your quarter. Really, really strong results on the cash flow line. Just help me do the math here. So regarding the Q4 political, you already gave the political total for the year, but what is political for TV and what is it for radio in Q4?

Political. Thanks, Michael. So political for Q4 ended up being approximately $11.1 million for TV and approximately $3 million for video, about $150,000 for digital. Okay. $14.2 million, give or take, for the quarter.

Amazing, which is awesome. In terms of Cisneros, you gave the digital pacings for Q4. I would assume excluding Cisneros, then digital would be down about 17%. Is that about right? More or less, that's correct. Okay, and then if you can give a little bit more color and maybe just talk a little bit about the digital revenue in Q4 then, excluding some scenarios. What's going on? You know, are you starting to see a little bit of pickup on semantics, you know, your programmatic, or what's happening in digital?

Here, you're on mute. There we go. Okay.

So Michael is Walter. So a couple things about our digital business. Our local digital business is pacing quite strongly for Q4. I believe the number is plus 10 per local. And our international business is minus 30. When we talk about international business, we're talking about basically our ad tech and martech business. I will say that Smatics, which is about half of that business, which is about half of that business, is pacing about plus 9% over Q4 of last year. So we're starting to see as more clients move to programmatic as it relates to digital advertising, which is certainly the trend and the future, then we expect that business to grow significantly. And so we're certainly bullish about that business. Just to add to Sysnetos Interactive, even though I'm not including it as part of the information I just gave you, that company is facing plus 37 in Q4. So all in all, we think we're well positioned for the future with the digital assets that we've assembled. Besides the – Sysnetos Interactive is basically three businesses – One is a wholesale of advertising for some of the world's leading digital technology companies, including Facebook, Spotify, and LinkedIn. That's about 90% of the business. And the other 10% is audio ads, which is complementary to our audio-engaged digital business. I will say that audio ads is about one of the largest digital audio businesses in Latin America, so we're certainly pleased with that in terms of what that will give. what kind of expertise, and that will give our current audio business as well as our linear audio business in the U.S. The other part of Netos is Just Mobs, which is a mobile video network, ad network. It sits within the mobile gaming ecosystem, and the significance of that business is that it is aligned with Unity, which is one of the world's largest gaming platforms, which is used by gamers to be compatible with Android and iOS operating systems. But in exchange for that, the gamers give of Unity inventory in their games. So we're going to be repping them in that business in Latin America. So we're certainly excited about this acquisition. We think it's going to be already added a lot of lift to our digital business. The people that operated, starting with the CEO, Victor Kong, are experienced digital people that's in the business for, you know, 20 years, and so we're certainly excited about them being part of VentureVision.

Sounds like a great opportunity. Can you also give us a little more color on your cost reductions and how that's going to flow into the Q4? You indicated that some of those cost reductions look like they're not going to be as temporary as expected and might be more permanent. Can you kind of give us some thoughts about how that's going to look in Q4? Sure.

Well, I think what you can do, since revenue is up so significantly, you can have a variable expense increase sequentially, certainly, from Q3 to Q4. That'll be, you know, call it, given the pacing numbers we gave, that'll be $3 million to $4 million all in as far as the sequential increase. You're also looking at an incremental expense associated with CISNAR, so it'll be about $3.9 million in the quarter. Otherwise, for the bulk of the other expenses, they should remain in place.

Gotcha. And obviously now you guys are really, you know, hitting it on the cash flow generation and doing much better than expected. When might the company consider boosting its dividend or maybe reinstating its prior dividend? Is that a plan or what are your thoughts on that?

Well, there's no plan, Michael. I mean, you know, due to the COVID and then, of course, the economic crisis that followed, we took measures to conserve cash and certainly reduce expenses. And one of the conservation measures was the reduction of the dividend. But as you can see from one of our comments today, we're coming out of a very strong third quarter. We've got excellent pacing for Q4. We expect to finish, you know, we expect to report a strong Q4 in 2021 and also our full year 2020. And then just to answer your question, this is a topic that we'll be talking about in our board meeting in December, and we'll look at everything and then make decisions going forward.

Gotcha. Well, congratulations again. I'll let others ask questions. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Thanks, Mike.

Thank you. Our next question has come from the line of Lisa Springer with Singular Research. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you, and thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to ask about the M&A climate right now in the digital business. Are there other small businesses you might want to add? Are the multiples reasonable? Is it possible that you might be making more acquisitions in that area in the future?

Lisa, thank you for the question. Sure, we're spending a lot of time looking at companies, digital companies, and linear, but digital certainly is a big topic of our review. And we're looking at companies that complement our portfolio of digital assets. And to answer your question, there are other companies that we're looking at that could add value to our business. We hope that the multiples are certainly reasonable. But we'll continue to talk to these companies and have perhaps more to report when we report our fourth quarter results in 2021. Okay.

And are we most likely to see it in the digital area? Are you also perhaps looking at some acquisitions in the TV and radio space?

Well, you know, the issue with – with TV and radio is that it's so consolidated now, it's pretty difficult to find one-off strategic assets that complement our existing portfolio of broadcast assets. That said, if we come across a strong broadcast asset in one of our existing markets, then we certainly would look at that. And perhaps, or even beyond, if it were a growing Hispanic market, if Univision were ever to divest an asset that fit our portfolio, we certainly would be interested in it.

Okay. Well, thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question has come from the line of Gordon Hodge with Tracker Research. Please proceed with your questions.

Yeah, good afternoon. Just had a couple questions sort of following on from Michael's questions on the TV basings. Just trying to get a feel for it. There's obviously some squeeze out probably from political that affected October and a bit of November. I'm just curious what you can tell us about the pacings for November and December, just sort of post-political as local bounced back and national and so forth.

Well, the numbers that I have in front of me on the pacing front, you're looking for post-political, so let's just talk about core. The core pace for TV right now for the quarter is plus one. You've got local pacing at a minus five and national pacing at a plus seven. So it feels like there was pent-up demand building as political crowded out so much of the revenue in the first month of the quarter. Now that's all starting to break. And as a result, you're seeing the core business back to positive territory, which is great.

Yeah, excellent. Okay, good. And then on the Cisneros, just to understand it a little bit better, it sounds like – so for fourth quarter, they'll do $55 million of revenue roughly. I assume they have – there's a wholesale margin, so there's a – if they're wholesaling inventory – I guess if I back into it, is it about maybe $50 million? I guess if you do $1 million of EBITDA and you have $3 million, $3.9 million of expense, I would presume the difference between $55 million and those two numbers would be roughly the wholesale cost of the inventory. Is that right?

Right. It's about a 5% EBITDA margin. The way it's going to work in our financials, we're going to book... the full revenue and the full expense of our P&L will take out below the line the minority interest of that 49% earnings. So you're not gonna be able to add the expense and revenue come up with the cash flow. The actual cash flow of the entity will be double what we end up showing on our P&L.

Got it. Correct. Got you. Okay. Very good. And then just more strategically on that acquisition, is it... If you were to describe what the moat around that business is in terms of what's the, you know, is it the relationship with Cisneros, which obviously is an influential media company in Latin America? Is it something else? Just curious sort of what.

It's the relationship with the largest tech platforms in the world, Facebook, Spotify, LinkedIn. and the excellent management that manages that business.

In those relationships with Facebook, so it's more than just a programmatic relationship or a brokerage kind of relationship.

It sounds like it's more... It's like a partnership. Facebook, I know, just specifically or in particular, sees Netos Interactive as a partner of theirs in Latin America. Perfect.

Okay, very good. Thank you. Thanks, Gordon.

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Evan Gavigilo of Angelo Gordon. Please proceed with your questions.

Hey, guys. Congrats on the quarter. Just missed a point in the beginning. What was the political on TV in 3Q? I heard 1.2 million of radio, but missed the core TV. Okay.

Sure. For TV, political was $4.9 million, $129,000. And local, $4.7 million for national, $4.9.

Okay, $4.9 and $4.7. Thank you. That's all I had.

Okay.

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Our next questions come from the line of Michael Kapinski of Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions.

Yeah, this might be kind of a strange question, but I'll ask it anyway. In the acquisition of Snarrows, is that considered to be like a like-kind exchange? Does this alleviate any tax obligations that you might have from the sales spectrum and so forth?

No, no, it doesn't. The like-kind exchange window, for that matter, expired last year for the SEC broadcasting auction. You're making reference to those proceeds and how you could shelter those. No, there's no strategic play in this acquisition with that.

Yeah, and there's no looking back on that. You've already paid the tax on that?

No, that's exactly right. In fact, the cash taxes paid this past quarter, we had to true up. we ran out of NOL balances in some of the states where we operate, so we had to true that up and make those payments. That's why cash taxes were as high as they were at third quarter, $5.1 million. But now going forward, you should see the cash taxes be the minimum. Okay, great. Thank you. Thanks, Michael.

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Walter Ouyar for closing comments.

Thank you, Daryl. I want to thank everyone for participating on today's Entrevision Investor Third Quarter Earnings Call. Appreciate your attendance. We look forward to speaking to all of you in the new year when we will announce our strong earnings results for Q4 and the full year 2020.

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. And have a great night.