Evolent Health, Inc.

Welcome to Evelyn Health's earnings conference call for the quarter ended March 31st, 2023. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. Your hosts for the call today from Evelyn Health are Seth Blackley, Chief Executive Officer, and John Johnson, Chief Financial Officer. This call will be archived and available later this evening for the next week via the webcast on the company's website in the section entitled Investor Relations. I'll now hand the call over to Seth Frank, Evelyn Health's Vice President of Investor Relations.

Thank you and good evening. This conference call will contain forward-looking statements under the U.S. federal laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from historical experience or present expectations. A description of some of the risks and uncertainties can be found in the company's reports that are filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission including cautionary statements included in our current and periodic filings. For additional information on the company's results and outlook, please refer to our first quarter press release issued earlier today. Finally, as a reminder, reconciliations of non-GAAP measures discussed during today's call to the most direct, comparable GAAP measures are available in the summary presentation available in the investor relations section of our website or in the company's press release issued today and posted on the investor relations section of the company's website, ir.evalenthealth.com, and the form 8-K filed by the company with the SEC earlier today. During management's presentation and discussion, we'll reference certain gap and non-gap figures and metrics that can be found in our earnings release, as well as a summary presentation available on the events section of Evalent's IR website. And now I will turn the call over to Evelyn's CEO, Seth Blackley.

Good evening, and thanks for joining us. My prepared comments today will focus on updating you on our quarterly results, progress on our three operating priorities, and the status of integrating our recent acquisitions. As you know, we're hosting an investor meeting in Arlington, Virginia, with a live webcast option as well on May 23rd, and I'll preview that event at the end of this call. John will discuss the quarterly results in more detail and our update on guidance for the year, and we'll look forward to you taking your questions at the end, as always. Reviewing the first quarter, Evelyn began 2023 with strong results. Adjusted EBITDA exceeded the top end of our guidance range, and revenue was within the range. We also continue to feel good about our guidance range for the full year, and today we're raising the bottom end of the revenue range for the year, given our high visibility into growth as the year progresses. Overall, we're happy with a strong start to the year. For the quarter ended March 31st, 2023, Evalent Health's reported revenue was $427.7 million, growth of 44% over the same period of 2022. Excluding the $48.5 million of revenue contribution from NIA, which was required during the quarter, our revenue growth rate was approximately 28%, consistent with the range of 25% to 28% we guided for 2023. And as John will discuss, we expect meaningful quarter-over-quarter revenue growth for Q2 and Q3 as we go live with our previously announced performance suite expansions at Molina and Humana. Looking at profitability, first quarter adjusted EBITDA totaled $50.5 million, an increase of $26.2 million, and more than doubling results from one year ago. The growth in adjusted EBITDA was driven both by expansion in the base business as well as the addition of the NIA and IPG acquisitions. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter totaled 11.8%, a new high watermark for the company. Our first quarter results provide a solid starting point of achieving our previously released goal of an adjusted EBITDA run rate of $300 million exiting 2024. We look forward to continued operational progress and sales momentum as the year continues. Now we'll update you on Evelyn's three core operating priorities of strong organic growth, expanding margins, and optimal capital allocation. Starting with organic growth, I want to highlight two notable agreements signed since we last spoke in February. Recently, a national payer under contract with IPG has entered into an agreement with Ansurge, a leading ASC chain to utilize IPG's surgical management solution as its preferred surgical implant provider nationally. This unique National payer ambulatory surgery center agreement utilizing our surgical management solution is a testament to the value this solution creates for payers and ambulatory surgery centers mutually benefiting from site of care shift and reduced device cost. We're thrilled with this opportunity to roll out our surgical management solution into AMSURG's ambulatory surgery centers. Furthermore, this expansion opens doors for cross-selling, and grow in our ambulatory surgery center install base to other payers, both regionally and nationally, and it creates a blueprint for national payer relationships with other surgical chains. It's also a proof point of the synergies Evolent brings with our relationships and large national payers to elevate and cross-sell our portfolio as a one-stop specialty value-based care partner. Second, we announced a significant oncology specialty, technology, and services expansion with Centene in March. To recap that announcement, Centene will expand its use of Evelyn Health's oncology solution across its Centene and WellCare Medicare Advantage members nationally. This agreement expands and deepens the specialty care partnership between Centene and Evelyn beyond Medicaid and into the rapidly expanding MA market. We began to go live in local markets during April, adding over 800,000 MA members in 26 states by the end of 2023. PMPM fees for this agreement are above reported corporate averages for the company's technology and services solution, as this is an MA book of business. This is also another excellent example of how we grow within our client base by increasing geographic and specialty reach with our proven solution to manage oncology costs and health outcomes. It's also worth noting this was a competitive displacement of a smaller point solution. Evelyn continues to benefit from the breadth of offering and the trust we've created with our customer by meeting our operational commitments. Please note that this agreement with Centene is in addition to the $20 million of incremental adjusted EBITDA we anticipate from Centene's expansion of NIA solutions. which was built into our fully synergized estimate of $85 million from NIA by the end of 2024. These agreements announced today bring our total new partnerships to four year to date compared to our annual goal of six to eight partnerships and significant expansions. Looking ahead, our pipeline of new business remains strong. During March, my team and I hosted a number of current customers and prospective payers. I came away highly encouraged about the power of our integrated platform and the prospects for continuing to drive strong organic revenue growth in the years ahead. I'm also happy with our progress against our second core operating priority of expanding adjusted EBITDA margins. As noted earlier, we delivered 11.8% adjusted EBITDA margins in the first quarter, the highest in our history, and on track with our full year financial guidance for 23, as well as our path to $300 million of run rate adjusted EBITDA for 2024, exiting that year. Reaching this profitability level will require continued maturation of the performance suite book of business we already have, as well as continued sales of our high margin specialty technology and services solution. The announcements today continue to illustrate our progress against specialty technology and services growth, And we remain on track with our performance suite margin maturation goals in the latest quarter. We look forward to providing you additional detail on both fronts during our investor day. Also want to highlight that we previously indicated that Evelyn would generate approximately 75% of its adjusted EBITDA dollars in 2023 from Evelyn's fee-based products and 25% from our performance suite business. We're seeing the merits of this balanced approach with the strong top and bottom line results in the quarter. While the performance sheet will continue to drive our highest growth rates and revenue and deliver more significant EBITDA contributions in later years, this balanced approach to delivering revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA growth will yield sustainably strong profitable growth in the years ahead. Our third operating priority is optimal capital allocation. To reiterate, 2023 will be focused on execution of our cost synergy plan and accelerating our value-based specialty care position where we're confident in our market leadership. Our near-term capital allocation priority is to deleverage the balance sheet through adjusted EBITDA growth and debt reduction through strong cash generation. We will also continue to evaluate opportunities to simplify our capital structure to yield lower costs to service our debt while at the same time protecting common shareholders. As John will discuss in more detail, strong cash generation in the quarter relative to historical seasonal expectations resulted in our net leverage ratio that is better than our previous expectations. And we remain on track to meet or exceed our target of generating $120 million or more in cash flow this year prior to interest or debt service. To close, let me add a couple points on integration and our agenda for the investor event. Our integration of NIA is on track and progressing well. We have multiple work streams underway that are a focus of the collective teams across both Legacy Evelyn and new members of our family from NIA. We finalized and implemented the integrated organizational design over the last few months and are beginning to see the cost, capability, and sales benefits of the combined company. During our investor day, we will talk more about the power of the integrated product platform, the operating model that's emerging, as well as the future of cross-sell opportunities and their impact on our margins. For our May 23rd event, we have three primary goals. The first is to give you all a detailed understanding of the problems our clients face and how we solve them with our platform. You should walk away with a clear understanding of what Evelyn does and how we accomplish our work. Second, you'll get exposure to a broad cross-section of our deep bench of executive talent, as well as several video interviews with key clients. And third, John will provide insight into Evelyn's financial model, including a deep dive on our unit economics and margin maturation opportunities. We hope you can join us in person or through the webcast. The link will be live on our IR website soon. If you want to attend in person and have not yet received a registration link, please reach out to Seth Frank. With that, I'll turn it over to John.

Thanks, Seth. We are looking forward to seeing many of you in Arlington here in a few weeks. Before we get into our detailed results for Q1, I'd like to highlight a couple of disclosure updates we're making as we integrate NIA and move towards OneEvalent. These were previewed on our February call, and now we have numbers to talk about, so let's review those. First, as discussed, we are now reporting our financial results in one reportable segment, as we focus future growth on our specialty value-based care business and integrate the entire organization around this specialty-led strategy. To provide insight into the growth drivers of our business, we are continuing to disclose product membership and PMPM fees for our three core product types, which we'll describe going forward as Performance Suite, Specialty Technology and Services Suite, and Administrative Services. We are also maintaining the metrics for cases and revenue per case we established last year for the parts of our business where revenue is not PMPM driven. Since our clients can have multiple solutions deployed over the same membership, for example, cardiology, oncology, musculoskeletal, advanced imaging, and so on, we are also introducing a metric of estimated unique members to accompany our existing metrics on members by product. Let me give you a real life example here a medicaid plan on the east coast has approximately 250,000 members and three Evelyn products deployed. administrative services and specialty technology and services for musculoskeletal and advanced imaging. This plan will account for 5000 specialty and technology services product members and 250,000 administrative services product members. for a total of 750,000 product members. Under our new disclosure, this plan would contribute 250,000 to our unique member count. In total, we had an estimated 41.3 million unique members during the first quarter of 2023, with a total of 65.6 million product members for an average of 1.6 products per unique member. Given that we have six separate categories of PMPM-based products that we can provide any one member, excluding our case rate products, we believe these metrics together provide visibility into a key element of our strategy, our ability to grow within our clients and cross-sell additional solutions, further penetrating their specialty spend categories. Finally, to simplify your modeling efforts, we are now providing average monthly membership and corresponding PMPM fees versus period ending membership. Average membership is the primary driver of revenue for the quarter. We have provided a table showing each of these metrics quarterly back through 2022 in the earnings presentation posted to our website. Now let's talk about the first quarter. A key theme is our performance suite partnerships, which continue to progress as expected and drove both our top and bottom line results in the quarter. You'll see in our 10Q a reduction of about $20 million in claims costs related to 2022 and prior, which falls into three categories. First, about $9 million of the $20 million is related to reductions in revenue with minimal impact to adjusted EBITDA. This symmetric reduction can happen in Medicaid in particular when both we and our partners are performing quite well relative to minimum medical expense floors Without this one-time deduct to revenue from prior periods, our top line for the quarter would have been approximately $437 million. The remaining lower claims expense flowed through to our bottom line in the quarter and was consistent with our expectations for the year. As we discussed on our call in February, we will typically see a pickup in margins in the first three to five quarters of a performance suite go-live when we have the data to switch our accruals from an initial budget to being based on actual claims experience. And we saw a $7 million pickup in the quarter from such dynamics. Finally, during Q1, we also received final performance data driving the release of about $4 million in margin that was originally anticipated for Q2 and Q3. This accelerated recognition of adjusted EBITDA from future quarters in 2023 was the main driver of results slightly exceeding our first quarter guidance range. Overall, we are pleased with the progress in our performance suite. These sorts of quarter-to-quarter dynamics are factored in to how we forecast and guide on the business as our performance suite margins continue to mature at the pace we expect. I also want to highlight continued progress in our cash flow and balance sheet. As you know, we are highly focused on cash generation and de-levering. We ended the quarter with net debt of $523.4 million, or 3.9 times our reported trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA. Adding to our trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA, the full year's worth of the acquired adjusted EBITDA from IPG and NIA, an additional $47.9 million, results in a ratio of 2.9 times already lower than our initial target for the end of 2023 and largely driven by cash generation in the quarter after the NIA transaction. In addition, after the quarter close, our available cash increased by an incremental $20 million from the passport wind down. We expect to repatriate up to an additional $10 million of cash later in this year as we complete the shutdown process for that plan. We remain committed to using excess cash to pay down our debt and we repaid $37.5 million on our revolving facility during Q1 of 23. Now let's review the numbers before turning to guidance. Revenue in the quarter was $427.7 million, an increase of 44% versus the same period in the prior year. Excluding the addition of $48.5 million in revenue from NIA in the quarter, growth was about 28%. Let's break down membership and PMPMs for the quarter. We averaged 3.2 million product members on the performance suite during Q1, compared to 1.5 million in Q1 of 22, with an average PMPM fee of $24.66 versus $38.19 a year ago, and in line with our average fees in Q4. As a reminder, the year-over-year change in average PMPM is a result of higher growth in Medicaid and commercial lines of business, which run lower than our corporate average. Product membership in our specialty technology and services suite was 60.5 million members during the first quarter, compared to 14.3 million in the same period last year. Average PMPM fees were 36 cents. for the first quarter of 23 versus 32 cents in the first quarter of 22, with the growth in membership principally driven by the addition of NIA. Product members on administrative services, formerly Evelyn Health Services, were 1.9 million compared to 2.1 million in the same period of the prior year, with an average PMPM fee of $14.91 versus $17.34 in the first quarter of 22. Total quarterly cases associated with advanced care planning and surgical management totaled $15,433 for the first quarter. And average revenue per case totaled approximately $2,555 for the first quarter, both in line with expectations. Our adjusted EBITDA result was $50.5 million versus $24.3 million in the first quarter of 22, reflecting organic growth, maturation of our performance suite contracts, and the addition of IPG and NIA. Adjusted EBITDA margin of 11.8% represented expansion of 360 basis points over the same quarter last year with the same drivers. As a result of the close of the NIA transaction, we made two non-cash entries related to our tax assets and liabilities, releasing the majority of our remaining valuation allowance against our deferred tax assets and accruing the remaining liability under the tax receivable agreement we have with our pre-IPO investors for a net benefit in the quarter of about $2 million. With our historical net operating losses and at current course and speed, we do not expect to have meaningful federal cash tax expenses until 2025 at the earliest. Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the quarter with $157.5 million in cash and cash equivalents. including 32 million in cash held in regulated accounts related to the wind down of Passport. Excluding the cash held for Passport, we had 126 million of available cash, a decrease of 26 million versus the end of the fourth quarter, and slightly ahead of where we'd expect to be with normal working capital seasonality. Cash deployed for capitalized software development in the quarter was 8.1 million. Turning now to our outlook for the year, Based on strong underlying performance, we are reiterating our full year adjusted EBITDA guidance of $180 to $200 million and modestly raising our revenue guidance for the year to be between $1.935 billion and $1.965 billion, an increase of $10 million at the midpoint. A couple of reminders on what goes into this outlook. On the top line, we expect to see nice quarter-over-quarter expansion across each of the next two quarters, as we go live with previously announced performance suite partnerships with Molina and Humana. Regarding Medicaid redeterminations, we have no meaningful incremental data since the last time we spoke, and we have not changed our assumptions. Three key reminders on those assumptions. First, most of our Medicaid revenue is derived from states like Illinois that we expect will start redeterminations later in the year. Second, we expect the gross impact on our Medicaid membership to be between 8 and 10% by the end of the year, representing a couple points of net revenue headwind this year, given that Medicaid represents about 40% of our revenue. And finally, we have incorporated into our bottom line guidance an assumption that those members who come off of the Medicaid roles are healthier than those who stay on, representing a modest negative adjusted EBITDA impact as well. We believe our profitability assumptions are conservative here, given that we typically have contractual rights to adjust up our PMPMs if we do in fact lose healthier members. Given the timing benefit to adjusted EBITDA in Q1 that I referenced earlier, we have revised our expectations for adjusted EBITDA sequencing across the quarters. We now expect Q3 2023 to be the low quarter of adjusted EBITDA, stepping back up in the next quarter to exit 2023 with a strong Q4. Accordingly, for Q2, we are expecting revenues of between $455 and $470 million and adjusted EBITDA between $45 and $49 million. And with that, let's go ahead and open it up for Q&A tonight.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press star followed by the number one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a one-tone prompt acknowledging your request. Your first question comes from the line of Sandy Draper from Guggenheim Partners. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks very much. I guess the first question, John, I just want to make sure I understand the, I think you said it was about a $10 million reduction in revenue. That was from a prior period adjustment. And so it was nothing that happened this quarter. I just want to, if you can maybe just walk through those dynamics and then I guess the unrelated follow-up, I appreciate no new information on Medicaid redetermination, but just thinking about some of the commentary out of the payers around 24, that some of the, um, they're expecting maybe a headwind to cost. Is that something that would have an impact on you guys? Or as you just said, Maybe that's you've already factored in numbers. Thanks very much. Hey, Sandy. Good questions.

On the revenue side, it was related to 2022. And this sort of thing can happen when, in particular, as I mentioned, in Medicaid plans, when you have very strong performance, when you release a hold on claims, It claims to come in better than expected. If the plan's performing very well, then the plan has a minimum MLR floor. And when we do well and the plan does well, it can result in an element like this. I would say generally speaking, sort of more broadly on this topic, we tend to have very good insight into how these sorts of dynamics will play out over the full course of a year. The timing, though, of something like this is not at our discretion and is based on when we receive the final data from our partner health plans. And so we had expected something like this, not a surprise, and incorporated it into our full year guide. The specific timing is harder to predict. Moving to redeterminations to hit on that point. So yeah, no new information that is significant. I think we'll have more information into the second quarter, into the third quarter, as our major Medicaid states really get into their processes. Generally speaking, as we think of the bottom line impact on potential risk pools of the redetermination process, I would say two things, and our perspective has not changed. The first and the most important is that the way our pricing tends to work is if there is, for example, a change in cancer prevalence in a population, then we have the ability to work with our partners to update our fees accordingly. Secondly, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we have incorporated an estimate in the spirit of conservatism of a potential impact of the risk pool shifting a little bit. So that's how we're thinking about it. Feeling pretty good about where we are and we'll continue to keep you updated as we see things move forward. Great. Thanks, John.

Your next question comes from the line of Charles right from ED common their line is now open.

Great thanks for taking the question hey john just wanted to maybe follow up there when you're when you're talking about the ability to adjust pricing. If if there's you know changes in the in the population is that like over like how periodic are you able to to make those changes, and I guess. particularly as when we think about going, you know, with oncology, with Humana into Florida, Arizona, you know, obviously you're starting to get into much bigger populations here. Maybe talk a little bit about sort of the underwriting process that you guys go through as you think about that. And then, as I said, or asked earlier, how often are you able to review that?

Yeah, it's a great question, Charles. You know, I think the most important question component of this answer is that it's an ongoing dialogue with our partners. Where are we performing? How are we delivering value for them both on the pure cost side and also on network performance and quality? As we think about the speed of potentially updating the fee schedule, I think the real answer to bracket it is It's not real time and it's much faster than a health plan state cap rates. And so the key from our perspective is to be hyper focused on performing for our customers and in regular dialogue with them on what's going on in the market and what are we seeing so that we can best align with them going into the future.

Okay. Maybe just to follow up, the $4 million in EBITDA that you discussed being pulled forward from the second and third quarters, can you talk about what were the triggers that kind of released that earlier than you would have expected? And is there any additional margin that's sort of tied up in the potential performance fees that's perhaps not in the current guidance that you might see later? Thanks.

Yeah, so the way that this sort of thing tends to work, and as I mentioned in my earlier answer to Sandy, is highly dependent on when we get data. And mostly what that looks like is when we get claims completion. And in this particular case, the data came in a little earlier than we expected it to. Tad Piper- And you know the actuarial standards, you probably know, is to retain a margin for adverse developments until you see that final claims completion and and that's that's the standard that we follow and we'll we'll continue to follow over the course of the coming quarters and years.

Tad Piper- Okay, great Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Anne Samuel from JP Morgan. Your line is now open.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question. You know, you spoke about margin progression for performance suite contracts being beneficial in the quarter. I was wondering, you know, how much does that vary by payer in terms of the maturity curve, or is it, you know, relatively consistent?

That's a good question, Annie. You know, I think if you were to look at the the beginning to end, we typically think of it as a 36-month curve, right? If you look at the beginning to end, it looks pretty consistent. And on a quarter-to-quarter basis, it can be pretty different from customer to customer. And part of that, it can be driven, just like what we were just talking about, availability of data. Part of it can be driven by the network and so on. What I think we've been particularly pleased with over the last several quarters is the way that we've been able to go live with quite a significant amount of new business across a number of different states and a number of different lines of business and preserve both the ability to drive that margin maturation and to serve our customers and the ultimate the consumer here being the member.

That's really helpful. Thank you. And then just one more, it's kind of a housekeeping question. In your deck, you called out a wind down of legacy clients in administrative services. I was just hoping maybe you could explain what that is.

That's just, pardon me, that's just normal churn on the EHS side of the business, Annie.

Okay. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Daniels from William Blair. Your line is now open.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. My first, Seth, I wanted to get a little bit more detail from you on the payer slash AMSURG announcement you made tonight. Can you just explain that a little bit more? I guess I'm curious if it's for all of AMSURG's ASE cases that use implants, number one, and then number two, is it just for ortho or does that, you know, spill into the opto spaces? Ophthalmology and GI are kind of their two biggest areas of focus.

Yep. Hey, Ryan. So, I think the way to think about this relationship is we, IPG, which we now refer to as our surgical solution, had a relationship with an existing national payer. The national payer, I think, is happy with the work we're doing on their behalf in a small number of states and is expanding through their relationship into some different ASC arrangements and want us to be involved in that to help them manage cost and trend. And so that then pulls us through into a number of new states that we weren't in to begin with, Ryan. Drives obviously additional revenue and EBITDA for us, but I think the fact that we're being brought into these new states with this existing ASC that we announced today, but we'll have then the opportunity to go to other ASCs in those same markets. So I think this is just part of a normal growth strategy and it is beyond MSK into, you know, think, and that's the thing about ASCs, right? It's surgical activity with implantable devices could be across a number of different specialties.

Okay. And though, if I'm a doctor, one of the doctors working at an AMSearch center, Is it going to be for all my cases that I would leverage the IPG solutions, or is it just for cases that are with that specific payer?

In this case, it's with that payer, right? Now, of course, it gives us an opportunity to do more and have a broader growth opportunity in those markets, as I mentioned earlier.

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. And then, The comments you had earlier just on the Medicaid redeterminations, we've heard that as well. Some of the healthier members may be exiting on redetermination. Do you think that will provide increased incentive for managed Medicaid companies to look for solutions like yours to help them control MLR in a period where membership could be reduced and the remaining members could be higher cost? Is that a potential growth stimulant for the business? Thanks.

Brian, I do think that anything that creates pressure on the payer community, this being an example, are generally good for us in terms of creating a sales dynamic that's helpful. I think the risk adjustment efforts that have been going on in the Medicare Advantage side fall into a similar category. Again, anything that puts pressure. And so I think the answer to that is yes. And I think more broadly, one of the things that lifting this up a little bit in the conversation today that has been useful is I think as payers look at the next horizon of quality and cost management, they've done a lot with primary care. There's a lot left on the specialty side. And so we feel like we're still in early innings and, you know, as pressure comes, that is helpful to us.

Okay, perfect. Thank you so much.

Yep. Thanks, Ryan.

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Garrow from Stephens. Your line is now open.

Yeah, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Well, I want to ask a couple on the NIA integration. And so the first would just be any color you could provide on the adjusted EBITDA contribution in the quarter if it's performing kind of in line with the annual expectations you had said earlier?

Hey, Jeff. It sure is. Right in line. You know, only 10 weeks in the quarter we had NIA, but feeling good about it.

Yeah, and Jeff and Seth, I would say more broadly, just in terms of the integration, you know, we mentioned it in the remarks earlier, but we feel like we're on track. A lot of things going quite well, and we're very happy with where we are, having kind of Finish the organizational part of the integration and now really focusing on the platform side and cross selling all the things that come after that. So we feel quite good about where we sit right now.

Yeah, that's great. Maybe to follow up a little bit on that cross-sell opportunity. I know it's early, so I would love to hear about any early successes building the pipeline, but maybe the question is more appropriately, the extent that you are making sure you're not disrupting any existing sales cycle and kind of any learnings you might have about what's making you maybe more or less excited about the combined organization's ability to be a more valuable partner to your clients and prospects.

Yep. Yeah, look, I think the things that were in the pipeline, you know, prior are proceeding as expected. You know, when you think about cross-sell, Jeff, I think as we have talked about with IPG or Vital or anything else in the past, you know, six to nine months in is when you really start to bear fruit. We bought IPG last summer, you know, first quarter I think was consistent with when we thought we would start seeing some opportunities like the one we announced today, and I think it would be similar in this situation with NIA. The one thing that's new and different is that we now, because of the breadth of what we have with all the assets pulled together, have the ability to talk about a really broad and deep platform that I think is quite differentiated. As I mentioned in the comments, we had a bunch of customers and prospective customers in a room not too long ago, and I think the attachment to the platform and where we're headed with it is you know, excellent. I'll say excellent. It's exciting. I think a lot of positive feedback on where we're headed and gives us a lot of confidence to keep running the direction we're going.

Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Your next question comes from the line of Jessica Dawson from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Hi. Thank you guys for taking the questions. We were hoping you could just help us understand the impact of NCH on a plan's provider network. So basically, we'd love to understand how or if NCH actually reduces the friction of prior auth by kind of inserting, you know, streamlined workflows and peer-to-peer consults. Just any anecdotes or metrics on provider satisfaction pre- and post-NCH deployment?

Yeah, Jess, it's... So a couple different ways I might answer the question. At the end of the day, our goal is to improve quality and reduce cost. And the more we can do that without touching a physician's workflow in any meaningful way, all the better. And that's our objective in how we do things. So many times, we auto-approve something. Very high auto-approval rates, for instance, as you mentioned. The next thing I would mention is that very, very rarely do we actually get involved or are payer in denial. We're doing a lot more what I would think of as B2B second opinion work, meaning we're actually providing valuable input to that physician. And that, as you mentioned, comes in the form of peer-to-peer or some other easy way to do it that's automated. And then the last thing I'd say is we do survey our physicians pretty frequently. And I think the last survey I saw was 84% on extremely satisfied with New Century for I think that was an oncology example. And so, you know, that gives us a lot of confidence that the way we're doing it is creating value, but doing it in a way that, you know, has less friction, Jess. And, you know, over time, right, we're going to hopefully improve on that, not just the 84%, but on this idea of further automating things. And I think, you know, AI could be part of that over time, as could our ability to, you know, continue to do things with incentives that, you know, turn into more of a shared decision-making model with the physician and the patient, rather than, you know, us having to do the intervention. So, a lot of innovation in this area, and we certainly want to lead the market on moving down the path you're describing.

Got it. That's really helpful. And then just as a quick follow-up, can you guys remind us what Evelyn had been assuming for the persistence of the BRYT relationship in 23, or what the contribution was in 1Q, and then just whether or to what extent that relationship was factored into the 2024 adjusted EBITDA run rate guide? And that's it for me. Thank you.

Yeah, I'll take that one, I guess. I believe we said that we expected between 30 and 40 million of revenue this year from Bright. No change there. And we do not expect revenue next year.

Got it. Thanks again.

Your next question comes from the line of Sean Dodge from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks. Maybe just going back to the answers deal with the payer involvement there, I guess the way Evelyn gets paid, should we think about this being like a tech and services kind of arrangement, or is there some shared savings element to it too? And then any kind of data points you can give us to help triangulate in on, you know, expected revenue and EVA dot contributions from it, you know, either this year or next.

Yep. So, you know, revenue model is IPG paid per case. It's a fee-per-service model that enables value-based care and has extremely predictable margins, something from the CFO chair that I quite like. On size, you know, it's not huge on the top line, but nice contributor on the bottom line, given those strong margins.

Okay, great. And then I guess if you could just give us a little bit of insight into the dynamics behind why Q3 is now expected to be the low point for EBITDA for the year. Is that just simply the $4 million in medical cost relief that shifted, or is this tied to the bright exit or something else or a combination of all those?

It is. Yeah, it's a good question, Sean. But it really is just sharpening our pencils with more data on the timing of of these performance margin releases. With the acceleration of that $4 million into this quarter, we now have a better sense of how that's going to lay out across the year.

Okay.

All right. Thank you again.

Your next question comes from the line of Jayalandra Singh from Truist. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thank you. And thanks for taking my question. So I want to go back to Sandy's question around this 9 million revenue reduction. John, you said it's related to minimum MLR rebate. I'm still a little confused like why Evelyn is on hook for that. Is that some unique arrangement with this particular pair or is this arrangement across all your peer contracts? And how are these rebate dollars even allocated to you guys considering that you guys capitate only on certain specialties and And why would this dynamic not put a cap on your profitability? Because if trends are better, I mean, you should realize that as your profit. And just curious, like, clarify, like, why this did not impact your EBITDA in the quarter?

Yeah. So, you know, a couple of thoughts on that one. The first is, you know, this is mostly limited to a Medicaid type of rate cap. And as I mentioned earlier, this is typically only relevant when we have a mature Medicaid client that's already operating at or better than our target margins where that client itself is also doing very well. And you can imagine the look, right, if we're driving outsized margins in a world where a Medicaid client is having to ship money back. And so, in the spirit of partnership, the way that we seek to align with our partners is consistent with their own regulations. So, as claims complete, and you're able to remove holds in your IV&R based on the final claims completion, then that can sometimes result in symmetric revenue reduction. That's what happened in this quarter.

Okay. That's helpful. And then also, like, on the second half to first half, like, first half ramp up this revenue. I know you talked about Schumann and Molina contract contribution, I know you talked about EBITDA cadence, but, uh, fair to say that to the ramp you expect in second half, that's all Humana and Molina contract and partially offset by redeterminations. And in general, if you could just provide some color on Humana arrangement, uh, expected to begin second half, what's the progress there, uh, kind of which quarter should we start seeing revenue coming from that contract?

Yeah, I said, taking those in reverse order. Humana implementation on track. It's been live in Q3. Feeling good there. And, you know, the rest of the sort of revenue shaping across the year is, as I mentioned in the remarks, we'll see a nice step up in Q2 and another nice step up in Q3. Okay.

Thanks a lot.

Your next question comes from the line of Richard Close from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks for the questions. A little surprised with respect to the Centene and WellCare beginning to go live here in April. Can you just talk a little bit more about that rollout and the above corporate average tech and services PM, PM, in terms of what the magnitude MA is versus like Medicaid?

Yep. Richard, Seth. I think, good question. Look, I think it's a positive in that it speaks to the depth of the partnership that we have with our partner at Centene. And, you know, I think we're doing a nice job for them meeting our commitments. And, you know, as we've said, I think for many, many quarters in a row, when we do that, we generally get the right to either go faster, add things, and this is a great example of that, right? Love seeing it. It's consistent with what we thought we would see. And it's a part of our plan to the 300 million, you know, of EBITDA, Richard, that we're driving towards. So I think it's a nice piece. As we've talked about in the past, tech and services has a nice margin profile. And so while this kind of relationship might not be huge on the top line, approaching, you know, between $5 and $10 million, say, at run rate, Richard, it certainly would have, you know, a really nice flow through on the bottom line. And so, you know, we think about that bridge to the $300 million, having a nice set of arrangements like this that contribute nice EBITDA and are very consistent, along with the performance sweep margin maturation. You know, I think the biggest thing I'd want people to take away from the call today is that both of those are progressing as we hoped. Okay.

And with respect to someone that's doing tech and services, what historically has been maybe the timeline in terms of adopting the tech and services and then potentially transitioning to the performance suite? Is there any rule of thumb that you've experienced over the last, call it four years, four or five years since you've had NCH? Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's a good question, Richard. I don't think there is a rule of thumb on that one. You know, we've had a couple that have switched over from tech services to performance suite. They've happened on slightly different timelines. It depends, I think, largely on what is the issue that our customer is trying to solve and we can guarantee more savings with the performance suite, right? So, per the earlier question, the more pressure there is, the more likely we have opportunities, I think. We've also had a bunch of performance suites go straight to performance suite, you know, and skip the whole tech services kind of stop. And I think you're going to continue to see some of both for all the reasons I just said. And I don't think there's an easy rule of thumb on it.

Okay, thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of David Larson from BTIG. Your line is now open.

Hi, I think you mentioned that the Centene win was in addition to the sort of announced deployments at the time of like this transaction. And I think I heard there was another $20 million in addition to the post-Synergy $85 million of EBITDA. Did I hear that correctly?

Hey, Dave. No, we were just making the point that the MA Oncology Tech and Services deal was not a part of the originally announced Centene NIA expansion that went into the $85 million number. There was not an additional 20 million.

Okay, thanks. And then in terms of the revenue impact from this Medicaid health plan, I think it was 20 million in the quarter, not 10 or 9, right? It was 20 million?

Oh, I think I understand.

So what I sought to articulate in my prepared remarks was we had in the quarter a reduction of $20 million in total in claims expense related to 2022. About $9 million of that $20 million was associated with the revenue deduct as well. The other $11 million dropped to our bottom line.

Yeah, and David and... I think, David, just the last comment I'd make for the group, but relative to this question, is just highlighting what John said, which is these are things that we understand. We know they're coming. We forecast for them. They're in guidance. They, you know, we kind of have a sense of when they're going to come up, and I would think of it as normal course things that we factor in, which is, you know, why we're continuing to end up inside the guidance ranges. Great.

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. Your next question comes from the line of Brian Tanquillit from Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Brian, you there? All right, that's the easiest question of the night.

Okay, JP, you can wrap the call then if there's no other additional questions if no one else has pulled in.

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.