Endeavour Silver Corporation

Q2 2024 Earnings Conference Call

8/1/2024

spk06: Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Endeavor Silver Corp second quarter 2024 financial results conference call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you need signal and operator by pressing star then zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alison Pettit, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. Before we get started, I ask that you view our NDNA precautionary language regarding forward-looking statements and the risk factors pertaining to these statements. Our NDNA and financial statements are available on our website at edrsilver.com. On today's call, we have Dan Dixon, Endeavor Silver's CEO, Elizabeth Senez, our Chief Financial Officer, and Dawn Gray, Endeavor's COO. Following Dan's formal remarks, we will open the call for questions. And now, over to Dan.
spk03: Thank you, Alison, and welcome, everyone. It's been a productive second quarter at Endeavor Silver. As gold reached new all-time highs and with silver starting to fall low, companies' cash flow and financial position should continue to benefit from these higher prices. At Terranera, there was significant advance of the upper platform surface infrastructure, and the overall project progress reached 65% at June 30th. Terranera is on track for commissioning Q4 2024. And we are excited for it to contribute to our production profile next year and become a cornerstone asset. Q2 silver equivalent production totaled 22.2 million ounces or 1.3 million ounces of silver and 10,500 ounces of gold. We are in great position to meet the upper range of our 2024 production guidance. Silver equivalent grades have been in line with expectations. with gold grades slightly higher and silver grades slightly lower. This is expected to be similar going forward, and therefore, we expect a similar production profile for the second half of the year. We reported top line revenue of $58 million, up 17% year over year, due to higher metal prices compared to Q2 2023. Cost of sales totaled $48 million, up 28% from Q2 2023. due to the strength in Mexican peso contributing to higher labor, power, and consumable costs, and continued inflationary effects from 2023 that flowed into 2024. At Guanicebi, purchased material from local miners increased to 18% of throughput and accounted for $5 million of our cost of sales. In Q2 2023, purchased material was $1.5 million. With higher precious metal prices, the availability and costs of the purchased material have both increased. There are a number of benefits of purchasing the local material, and management expects the purchase of material to remain elevated for the foreseeable future. The higher prices also means higher royalty expense, and we are generating mining profits, increasing our special mining duty, which are impacting our cost metrics. Direct offering costs. Our mining, processing, and site administrative costs are within management's expectations. Cash costs and all unsustainable costs benefit from the higher gold credit than estimated at the beginning of the year, offsetting the higher royalties, special mining duty, and increased purchase material. The company reported a net loss of $14 million for the three-month period ended June 30, 2024, compared to a $1 million loss in Q2 of 2023 months. excluding certain non-cash and unusual items and items that are subject to volatility which are unrelated to the company's operations, the adjusted loss was $1.0 million compared to the adjusted earnings of 1.6 in Q2 2023. With production results and construction results previously released, today's substantial share price action was unexpected and still the magnitude is somewhat puzzling. With higher precious metals, Price is clearly there's an expectation for better earnings. I believe this is one data point over time we will deliver on those expectations. As of June 30th, 2024, the company's cash position was $68 million and working capital was $65 million. The company raised $14.7 million through share issuances, primarily to fund Terranera, and during the quarter, the company completed its first drawdown of the Terranera Senior Secured Debt Facility, drawing $60 million. Subsequent to the reporting end, the company completed a second draw of $50 million and has an additional $45 million committed and available for future drawdowns expected in the third or fourth quarter. As I mentioned earlier, the Terra Nero project reached 65% completion with more than $204 million of project budget spent today. Project commitments total $260 million, which is 96% of our $271 million capital budget and remains on track for commission in Q4 2024 as we continue to advance on schedule. Over 1,250 meters of underground mine development were completed in Q2 for a cumulative total of 4.5 kilometers, and our mine crews continue working in Portals 1, 2, and 4 declines. Development has cut through the Terranera vein, and we've started to develop test stoves. On the upper platform, surface, mill, and infrastructure construction is 88% complete, with concrete and structural steel erection being fully complete A mechanical piping electrical installation is well underway. The excavation of the tailing storage facility embankment key trench is about 95% complete, and the lower platform is nearly 50% complete. Concrete work on the lower platform is scheduled to start early Q3 and remains the critical tab for commissioning in Q4. Through June 30th, 87 of 95... The procurement packages are now complete and it's now really an exercise in execution and productivity over the next six months. The company anticipates commissioning using temporary power with the LNG and power generation to be operational subsequent to commissioning. The temporary power has been planned and is expected to be available for Q4. Similarly, there'll be other minor structures under construction during commissioning. And lastly, from a community relations standpoint, with the local community support continue to be a major commitment. A plant operator training program was established. A comprehensive training and support service plan is being prepared for groups and individuals seeking to form businesses that can provide local goods and services within the community. Again, for a fulsome construction update at Terra Nera, I would encourage you to visit our website where you'll find our quarterly photo gallery showcasing the latest developments, progress, and information on Terra Nera. Before we move to the Q&A part of the call, I would also like to highlight that we published our 2023 sustainability report titled Transformation in Motion in May that provides a deep dive into Endeavor's sustainability commitments, performance, and ongoing approach to responsible mining. You can view the full report and the company strategy on our website under the sustainability tab. With that, Operator, I'm happy to open this up to questions. Please proceed to that session, Operator.
spk06: Thank you. To join the question queue, you may press star, then 1 on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. The first question comes from Jake Sakowski with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hey, Dan and team. Thanks for taking my questions. No problem, Jake. Happy to take them. So just starting with the finished goods build during the quarter, I'm just curious, were ounces withheld for higher prices this quarter, or was this just a function of timing?
spk03: Just a timing function. I believe our last shipments kind of went out about the 28th. We didn't sell anything in advance. Obviously, because of where we are in the position of building Terra now, we're not holding back sales and don't expect
spk01: Okay, that's helpful. And then just on foreign exchange, I'm just curious, do you think the peso is weakened to a level where, you know, you might start putting in broader company hedges in place, or do you want to see a bit more weakness there?
spk03: I do think there's a little bit more weakness coming in the Mexican peso just based on policy of government, but it's always difficult to determine when that weakness will show up and how long it will persist for. At this time, we have no plans to enter into any more FX hedges. We were required to enter into FX hedges under a billed under the debt facility, and we are required to enter into when we go into operations, some operational FX hedges, but we haven't made a determination when we'll put that in place. Again, I think we'll see some more weakness in the Mexican peso, but we'll see.
spk01: Got it. Okay. That's all for me. Thanks again.
spk03: Thanks for the questions, Jake.
spk06: The next question comes from Lucas Pipes with B Reilly. Please go ahead.
spk05: Thank you very much, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. Dan, my first question is kind of higher level on the operating environment in Mexico. Obviously, there was an election. The administration has yet to take office. But I wondered if maybe with the election in the rearview mirror, there's a bit more clarity as to the priorities from a regulatory standpoint. on the incoming administration. Thank you very much.
spk03: Yeah, I mean, you're correct. On June 2nd, there was an election. The Moreno Party won in probably what was expected to be even better results for them than was originally expected. The new president, Claudia Scheinbaum, she is a successor to, effectively, AMLO. It will be interesting over her first couple of years in office closely um she has privately and now kind of percolated out into the the press that mining will should be more pro-mining necessarily than ammo she's definitely more pro-business um but the the reforms that were put in place that have been lost through a bunch of emparos we're still waiting on the supreme court decision there's been some chatter that those will be repealed but re-put in front of the legislature in the fall. So there is still some uncertainty coming through the current government. How this changes, we'll probably be able to see that better in the next six months. I think when it comes to Mexico, there's been a lot of rhetoric coming out of AMLO. I think that's going to dissipate. But ultimately, it's still one of the best jurisdictions in the world to operate from a mining standpoint. Again, I don't think some of the compliance requirements that are being put in or ultimately in those minor requirements will impact Endeavor significantly just because we have departments that can handle that. But again, until that comes through and actually gets properly approved or properly put through legislation, it's difficult to comment on.
spk05: Really appreciate your perspective. That's helpful. You note the additional $45 million available at Terranera in the second half of 2024, and I wondered if there are any specific project milestones attached to that release, and if so, if you could maybe comment and elaborate on those. Thank you.
spk03: No, there is no specific milestones required to it. The independent engineers will represent the banks. They do do reports and they look at our monthly reports and they'll go through that and we have assessments to do, but everything remains on track and we think that will be available for the next, like I say, six months.
spk05: Terrific. Dan, really appreciate your comments to you and the team. All the best of luck.
spk03: Thanks for the questions, Lucas. Good to hear from you.
spk06: The next question comes from Craig Hutchinson with TD Cohen. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hi, guys. I just wanted to know on the underground development rates, it looks like they did pick up nicely in the second quarter. You know, in the past, initially you had some underground technical issues, but can you just probably comment in terms of how that's going? Are you tracking the plan, how to find behind plans, any kind of sort of sense in terms of how the underground development work is going?
spk03: Yeah, no, it's a really good observation, Craig. Ultimately, we are tracking the plan now. Initially, with any outset when you're starting at it, there's a little bit of a learning curve, just understanding ground conditions and water conditions. I think the ground conditions are a bit better than expectations in our technical reports. Water and water management is right in line with expectations, if not a little bit less. So things have been going relatively well. We have big days, we have bad days, but we're hitting our mark. expect to have the mine development complete so we can kind of hit our tonnage expectations for 2025. Okay.
spk02: And just in terms of the overall progress, you know, 65% complete kind of year to date, but can you give us some kind of sense of how you guys arrive at that number? I imagine it's a combination of dollars spent versus your budget and kind of the milestones, but just, you know, with sort of three or four months, you know, ahead of commissioning here, I just want to get a sense to, you know, achieving the remaining 35% achievable really in the last, you know, three, four months stretch here.
spk03: Yeah, and it's a very fair question. And just from a layman's standpoint, if you look at your 53% at the end of the first quarter, now we're effectively 65%. It's always a delta of 12%. If you apply that over the next two quarters, that takes you to 77 or from 65 to 77 and short to 90%. One of the items that's going to be not complete for while we're in commissioning, but probably complete slightly after, ultimately will be our LNG and power generation plan. We have some delays of getting permits there. We are going to be on diesel generators. for the start of commissioning, possibly into commercial production. So, ultimately, we're not tracking to 100% for commissioning. As I say, there's some minor structures. One that comes to mind is a maintenance shop that will be still being built while we're in commissioning, or the expectations is it will still be being built while we're in there. Thinking of it as we're going to get to 100% complete prior to commissioning isn't the way to think about it. It's probably more between 85% and 90% when we're there. And even as we go into commercial production, it's not necessarily that we'll be 100% complete either. Okay.
spk02: All right. That's great. Thanks for that context. Maybe last question for me, just with regards to the commissioning by year end, do you anticipate producing sort of first concentrate at that point, or is that more pushed out to sort of early Q1 next year? Thanks.
spk03: Yeah. That's getting into quite specifics. I think probably everybody would hope to hear that we expect to have some concentrate by the end of the year, and that's kind of our expectation. Obviously, from commissioning to commercial production, it comes down to capacity and making sure we're hitting our capacity numbers to declare commercial production, but there will be some con that's produced during commissioning, of course. It's just a matter of how much and exactly when that timing hits.
spk02: Great. Thanks, guys, and good luck. Thanks for the questions, Craig.
spk06: The next question comes from Heiko Iwe with HC Wainwright. Please go ahead.
spk00: Hi, Dan. This is from HC Wainwright. Heiko is traveling right now and can't make it into the question line, but thank you for taking our questions. Happy to. For the Terra Nera drawdown of the remaining 45 million, Would you be able to give us some insight to when you expect to take the remainder? I assume you at least some of it will be needed this quarter.
spk07: Hi, this is Elizabeth Senes. Yes, we do plan to draw down this quarter.
spk00: Do you have any idea how much or is it just play by ear?
spk07: Yeah, we'll see how the spend goes, but the majority of the construction spend will be incurred this quarter as it's remaining. So, yes, that would be the expectation.
spk00: Okay, thank you very much. Just second question. Last one, Dana, maybe a little bit of a philosophic question, but you guys have completed a good part of Karen era as of today, obviously, would you be able to maybe give us some color on things that went better, maybe something that got worse during the construction process, maybe any line items that made the team change anything related to construction middle of the process?
spk03: Yeah, I mean, that's a big question. I mean, every day there's things that feel like they go better and there's days that things feel like they go worse. And I think our operational team or our construction team has done a phenomenal job of always kind of finding plan Bs if needed to or even plan Cs and looking at alternatives. because obviously nothing's linear and nothing goes exactly as planned. Nothing specifically comes to mind with regards to big changes. It's just timing of different things where we make adjustments either from a concrete standpoint. Obviously the footprint that Terran Air is on is very small and it takes a lot of planning with regards to when we bring equipment up because ultimately we have a lay down yard down in Porta Garta and things typically don't lay down up at Terran Air for longer than 48 hours. So We call it just-in-time building, and some of that stuff, some of the great engineering that we've done, obviously timing. We got some releases down in the tailings facility, which later expected to through some archaeological work that had to be done, geotechnical work. I think every day there's things that guys make decisions on that are slightly different than what plan is. I got to commend Don Gray and his team on how well that's gone. I even think about the mine plan and different iterations of the mine plan, how we could be more efficient on that. We've come up with seven different distinct mine plans, and that will continue to change. Because even as we get into the Terran era, we're getting into what's our reserve for the 96 million ounces and the plummet up reserves at the base, which is where we're trying to target, and that's about 20 meters thick. It's not that the ore body ends there. It's just that's where our estimates end based on our confidence with drilling. As we get into that, we're going to hopefully drill out and we find more depth, and that will change our mind plans again. So I think our team has done a phenomenal job being flexible and making adjustments on the run. But it all lines up, and, again, we're tracking for commissioning in the fourth quarter.
spk00: Awesome. Thank you very much. That was a great answer. Appreciate it. No problem.
spk03: Thanks, Casey.
spk06: The next question comes from Trevor Ward, private investor. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hey, Dan. Good morning, everybody. Obviously, a pretty shocking day as an individual investor. I'm a bit of a gambler, so I've got a lot of eggs in one basket with Endeavor. So when you see your stock price tumble like it has today, I mean, I'm down personally almost 33,000 on paper in one day. Fortunately, since we last spoke, I'm actually up overall since I've got my position. But I'm just curious, as a layman, as somebody that's not well-educated, especially in the buying and selling of stocks, I decided to get into silver. But I have bought and sold things over time. And so... If I manufacture something like I'll make surfboards and things like that, if I make a surfboard and let's say, for instance, with all my costs, it costs me $23. Obviously, that's not relative, but say it costs me $23 after all my costs, and then I'll sell it for $29. I would say that I made $6. So maybe you can explain to me in layman terms, why you don't make the adjustments whereby it's easier for us to understand how you lose money if your overall costs are way less than what you sold the silver for. Can you explain that to me in layman terms and where these other extra costs come from? Why the losses have been so huge in this quarter? I mean, the overall consensus for the market was that you would show a profit of $0.04, whereas now you're showing a loss of six cents, I mean, it's pretty devastating to investors. And then you said you're curious why the market has reacted the way it has. I mean, I understand the whole market is down today, but maybe you can enlighten me a little bit more in layman's terms how it computes into such a big loss.
spk03: Yeah, it's a very fair question, Trevor, and I think Part of it and one of the things in the mining space, we talk about cash costs. We talk about all-in sustaining costs. Obviously, cash costs is kind of on an operating basis. All-in sustaining costs takes into account G&A, which is our Vancouver costs, exploration dollars that we spend to increase and extend mine life, hopefully grow the mines, and then sustaining capital. Sustaining capital, obviously, from an income statement standpoint, doesn't hit earnings. And we always try to have this one metric that solves or distinguishes the company and allows peer groups to kind of compare themselves relatively quickly. And I think as an accountant by trade, you need a balance sheet, an income statement, and a cash flow statement to fully understand what's actually happening with a company. And unfortunately, in the IFRS world or the accounting principles world, there's been a lot more noise that goes to an income statement now than there was before. and makes it a lot more difficult for the layman's term to understand what's going through an income statement and ultimately our financial statements. In our case for this quarter, we have a $9 million loss related to derivatives. Under our credit facility for Terranera, we're required to hedge 68,000 ounces of gold that we locked in at $2,325, I believe, on March 28th. Obviously, gold appreciated during the quarter, which is a great thing, great for the long-term benefit of Endeavor. But we do recognize a loss on those forward contract gold contracts amounting to about $75 per ounce this quarter. That translates into $7.5 million loss in derivatives. That's not impacting to our current operations. and obviously out of our hands. And as I say, long-term, it's probably a benefit. Short-term, it's a movement, and it's a mark to market. Obviously, gold today is sitting around $2,450. Other times during the quarter, it got down to $2,325, $2,350. And possibly at the end of Q3, when we go through this, if gold's any below $2,400, we'd recognize a gain on that, on those derivative contracts. We also have FX, derivative contracts, that go through our income statement. With all that, it makes noise, and that's driving our $14 million loss for the quarter. Again, we look at it as a management team from an adjusted things, things that we can operate on and our costs to produce at Gowanus-to-Beat. on an operating basis, or at both our operations, was $13.43. That excludes depreciation. I think depreciation needs to be considered in there, and that's a total production cost per ounce, and that's about $22 for us. But we do have other things at both our income statement, and that's investing into the future of the company. We have our exploration properties. We have exploration. Pitheria is one of the things that come mainly to mind. It's one of the world's largest undeveloped silver deposits. We don't capitalize that work, we expense it through our income statement. Again, that creates noise, but we think that brings long-term value to our shareholders in that fact that we want to bring Pitharia into production. Ventaner is done, and there's a lot of work left to be done there, but we think that will be beneficial long-term to shareholders. So, of course, today's drop of about 20% is a lot higher than our peers' And that's what we find puzzling because we did put out our production numbers and the production numbers are in line with expectations. Our tear and error construction, which is a lot of what people are looking at for the future value of this company, is in line with expectations. The additional noise going through income statement can be frustrating and that goes through it, but I never like to look at our share price on a one-day basis. So even if we're up 20%, that's a great day, but it's not as meaningful if you can put that, stack that together with, one week, one month, one quarter, one year. So, again, we wish it wasn't down 20% today, which is about 15% higher than our peers. I think that will grind back. So stick with us, and I believe we'll be able to deliver on this going forward. Okay.
spk09: Yeah, so what about in the future, though? How many other derivatives? Not that I really understand what derivatives are, but going forward, how much more of this are you still liable for? I mean, how do we know that in the third quarter, the fourth quarter, you haven't got all these other derivatives that are stacking up that are going to cause losses in future quarters?
spk03: Yeah, and they'll be there. So these 68,000 ounce gold contracts that we're going to sell are going to effectively roll out in 2025 and 2026. So those are going to be there. If gold price continues to appreciate and we're looking at gold of $2,800, I think you'd agree that's positive for the company long term. Ultimately, if it goes down, and then positive for the company long-term, but ultimately it's going to create losses going through our income statement until those roll out. If it goes the other way, it's going to create gains to it. So they're going to be there. I would, again... From a layman's standpoint, they're non-cash items. It doesn't mean we're losing cash off our balance sheet. It means we're recognizing a decision that we've had to do through a credit facility, that loss now or the future. Under IFRS, we're required to do that from a mark-to-market standpoint, and that's fine. Again, it rolls out over the next two years, and so I can't promise it won't be there.
spk09: All right. All right. Well, it's all done. Okay, thanks, all the best.
spk03: Thanks for the questions, Trevor.
spk09: Thanks.
spk06: Once again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. The next question comes from Henry Westendorp, private investor. Please go ahead.
spk04: Good morning. Very interesting call. We're all very excited about Terranera. But could you give us a few words on this year's progress on Titarella? Is there anything moving there, or are you trying to get that on the bench until you get Teronera up and running?
spk03: Yeah, it is moving. We've got a $5 million budget at Pitoria for 2024. We are starting to drill at Pitoria now. We have a one-kilometer adit at the beginning of the year. We've extended that adit. We expect it to go through some veins and a zone, a mantle zone, in the back half of this year. So, we'll have results and a plan put together for for the marketplace, hopefully by the end of this year. We are excited about it. Obviously, it's one of the world's largest undeveloped silver deposits. It's got a resource to find close to 600 million ounces of silver plus lead and zinc. We are looking at it from an underground standpoint. We are underground miners. I know Kithria and a lot of people in the marketplace understand Kithria as an open pit mine from a historical feasibility study that was done by Silver Standard for SSR Mining. Again, we're looking at it from an underground standpoint. I just started drilling to confirm some of the hypotheses that we have with regards to feeder structures and mantles. And again, expect to have information out by the end of the year on that.
spk04: That's terrific. Thank you.
spk03: Thanks for the question, Henry.
spk06: This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dan Dixon for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.
spk03: Thank you, Operator, and thank you for everybody listening today. I think Q3 and the back half of the year is going to be an exciting time for Endeavor as we try to bring Taren Aaron's commissioning and ultimately commercial production to significantly increase our production profile and ultimately cut our cost profile. So thank you again for listening, and we'll talk to you guys soon.
spk06: This brings to an end today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
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