Franklin Covey Company

Welcome to the Q2 2021 FranklinCovey Earnings Conference Call. My name is Adrienne, and I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. During the question-and-answer session, if you have a question, please press star, then 1 on your touchtone phone. Please note this conference call is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Derek Hatch, Corporate Controller. Derek, you may begin.

Thank you, Adrian. Hello, everyone. On behalf of FranklinCovey, I would like to welcome you to our conference call to discuss our financial results for the second quarter of fiscal 2021. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everybody that this presentation contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are based upon management's current expectations and are subject to various risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to The ability of the company to stabilize and grow revenues, the acceptance of and renewal rates for our subscription offerings, including the All Access Pass and Leader in Me memberships, the duration and recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic, the ability of the company to hire productive sales professionals, general economic conditions, competition in the company's targeted marketplace, market acceptance of new offerings or services and marketing strategies, changes in the company's market share, changes in the size of the overall market for the company's products. Changes in the training and spending policies of the company's clients and other factors identified discussed in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-A and other periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Many of these conditions are beyond our control or influence, any one of which may cause future results to differ materially from the company's current expectations. And there can be no assurance the company's actual future performance will meet management's expectations. These forward-looking statements are based upon management's current expectations, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of today's presentation, except as required by law. With that out of the way, we'd like to turn the time over to Mr. Bob Whitman, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Bob?

Thanks, Derek, and hello to everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. Really happy to have the opportunity to talk with you. We're really pleased that our second quarter results were strong and even stronger than expected. We believe this again emphasizes the strength, quality, and durability of FranklinCovey's value proposition and of our strong subscription business model. Specifically, in the second quarter, as you can see in slide three, revenue is strong, driven particularly by the strength and growth of all access paths and related sales. Growth margins increased 559 basis points compared to last year's already strong second quarter. Our operating SG&A declined by 2.4 million. Adjusted EBITDA increased to 5.1 million, which is a level of 1.1 million or 26% higher than the 4 million of adjusted EBITDA achieved in last year's strong pre-pandemic second quarter. And it's at a level significantly higher than our expectation of achieving between 1.5 and 2 million in adjusted EBITDA for the quarter. Our cash flow is also strong. That cash provided by operating activities year-to-date increased 26% or $4.5 million to $21.9 million ahead of the $17.4 million achieved in last year's second year-to-date second quarter. And finally, we ended the quarter with approximately $55 million in liquidity, which is up from the $39 million in liquidity we had at the start of the pandemic one year ago. We're pleased to be in this position. I'd like to discuss these results in more detail in just a moment, but first some context. This strong and stronger than expected performance reflects the continuation and acceleration of four key trends we've discussed in the past three quarters and which continued in this quarter. Specifically, as indicated in slide four, these trends are first that the growth of all access path sales has been very strong. Second, that all access pass-related services have continued to be strong and are now even higher than the very strong levels we had pre-pandemic. Third, our international operations have continued to rebound. And fourth, despite continued uncertainty during the first half of the year, trends in our education business are really encouraging. I'd like to provide a little more detail on each of these trends. First, as expected, the growth of All Access Pass and related sales, which accounts for 83% of our enterprise sales in North America, continue to be very strong. As shown in chart A in slide 5, you can see the total company All Access Pass pure subscription sales grew 13% in the second quarter to $17.5 million, have grown 14% year-to-date for the first six months, and 15% for the total 12-month period, which is the entirety of the pandemic to date, to $67 million. In addition, as shown in Chart B, total company All Access Pass amounts invoiced have been growing even faster, growing 16% in the second quarter to $22.5 million and 30% year-to-date to $38.4 million. Importantly, much of this 30% year-to-date growth in All Access Pass invoice amounts has been added to the balance sheet and will establish the foundation for accelerated sales growth in future quarters. Importantly to us, All Access Pass performance has been strong across all the key elements which we pay attention to. The number of All Access Pass sales to new logos increased meaningfully both in the second quarter and in the latest 12 months. As shown in chart C, our annual revenue retention has continued to exceed 90% and also the sale of multi-year contracts has continued to be strong with our balance of unbilled deferred revenue related to multi-year contracts increasing to 37.4 million as shown in chart D. Second, the sale of all access pass related services which is delivered primarily live online was also very strong in the second quarter. Chart A in slide 6 shows the strong booking trend for all access pass add-on services, almost all of which are now being delivered live online. As you can see in chart C, with the beginning of the pandemic in March of last year, bookings of services delivered live onsite at client locations were necessarily canceled, and the year-over-year dollar volume of services declined with the delivered engagements down 6.9 million in North America in the third quarter. However, in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020, new bookings increased to levels nearly equal to those achieved in the fourth quarter of the prior year in 19. These strong bookings in turn drove an increase in the dollar volume of services actually delivered. As a result, instead of being off 6.9 million as in the third quarter, the dollar volume of services delivered in the fourth quarter was off only 1.1 million. This same positive trend continued in the first quarter and accelerated in the second quarter with the result that in the second quarter, Sales were actually higher and year to date actually services revenue in North America has exceeded the levels achieved in last year's second quarter and first six months period pre-pandemic. As shown in chart B, 92% of our services are now being delivered to clients live online. This is important because with 92% of services now being delivered live online, our momentum can continue regardless of when and whether organizations return to their offices. Third, as shown in slide seven, performance in our international operations has also strengthened this second quarter. Sales in China, Japan, Germany, and among other international direct offices and licensing partners continued to improve, continuing the trends established in both the fourth and first quarters. At the start of the pandemic, we had to reschedule substantially all live onsite training engagements in these countries. Since these countries were just starting to sell all excess pass and therefore did not have a strong base of durable subscription revenue to cushion them, sales in these countries declined significantly compared to the third quarter fiscal 19. Actually, these declines started a little earlier in China in the middle of last year's second quarter with the onset of the coronavirus there. As shown in last year's fourth quarter, while still operating well below the levels achieved in the prior year's fourth quarter, Sequential sales and sales as a percentage of the prior year in these countries began to improve significantly. Year-over-year sales improved further in the first quarter. We expected sales in these operations to continue to strengthen the second quarter, and we're pleased that they did. As shown, in the second quarter, international sales were ahead of our expectations and just 14% lower than in last year's second quarter, with most of this decline, year-over-year decline, represented in Japan and UK, which have had a series of rolling shutdowns in their economy, but which we expect will strengthen. Importantly, another reason for actually a little bit of a decline is that we're having a good conversion of sales to all access pass. And that is putting, instead of putting the revenue into the quarters, putting on our balance sheet. And this is driving an increase in our balance of deferred revenue internationally that will help to drive strong sales force growth in the future. Finally, as shown in slide eight, in the education division, despite an educational environment which is contained to be very challenging, we've seen a strengthening in the trends of our education business both in the second quarter and year to date. This strengthening includes that number one, the number of Leader in Me schools which have renewed or are ready to renew their Leader in Me membership increased to 1,059 during the second quarter. compared to 725 schools at this same time last year. And second, the number of new leader in these schools who have contracted by the end of the first quarter or are in the process of contracting is almost equal to that achieved in last year's second quarter pre-pandemic. Just note that there are also some positive trends in the education market overall, despite the challenges, which we all know about. And we expect these will help our education business during the remainder of this fiscal year and into next fiscal year. These trends include one, increasing confidence among those in the educational community that most schools will be open in the fall of this year. Not certain, but more confident. Second, that is shown in slide nine, and it's shown in slide nine, the three COVID-19 stimulus bills passed by Congress in March, last year, December, and this March, dedicated nearly $200 billion towards stabilizing budgets in K-12 schools, with a disproportionate amount of that help coming to Title I schools, where Leader in Me is often the strongest. And three, the third trend is that social-emotional learning for students, called SEL, which plays to the strength of Leader in Me, continues to gain momentum. Its importance is being talked about every day in the press. It's becoming increasingly required by districts. Just one more note, to take advantage of the stimulus funding and the SEL movement or social emotional learning, our education team has added to its positioning efforts, helping schools take on the issues of learning recovery and the student and teacher mental wellness. These have become the pressing topics the education community is trying to address and that Leader in Me is really designed to deliver on. Early indicators suggest that this expanded position is working well. And so we believe these business and market trends will work in our favor. It will still be a difficult environment this year, but we're confident in the future of our education subscription business. We've been conservative about our expectations this year and feel good about our ability to meet those. With this context, I'd like to turn the time to Steve Young and ask him to dive a bit deeper into our performance for the second quarter. Steve?

Thank you, Bob and everyone. I'm pleased to be on the line with you today to talk a little bit more about our second quarter results. So as shown in slide 10, our performance for the second quarter was stronger than expected and showed positive momentum in almost every front. Our adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $5.1 million, an increase, as Bob said, of $1.1 million, or 26%, compared to last year's second quarter, and an amount substantially exceeding our expectation of achieving second quarter adjusted EBITDA of between $1.5 and $2 million. These results are even more notable given that last year's second quarter was itself very strong. Our cash flow and liquidity positions also increased significantly. As shown in slide 11, our net cash generated for the quarter of $5.2 million was $4.2 million higher than the $1 million of net cash generated in last year's second quarter. This reflects strong growth in adjusted EBITDA and significant growth in all access pass contracts resulting in our balance of billed and unbilled deferred revenue increasing by almost 13.2 million, or 16%, to 95.9 million in the second quarter. As shown in slide 12, our cash flow from operating activities for the second quarter increased 4.5 million, or 26%, 21.9 million compared to the 17.4 million in last year's second quarter. This strong cash flow reflects that an additional benefit of our subscription model is that we invoice up front and collect the cash from invoiced amounts faster than we recognize all of the income. As a result, we ended our fiscal year in August with more than 40 million of total liquidity, comprised of 27 million of cash and 15 million on an undrawn revolving line, which was an amount higher than at the start of the pandemic. We are pleased that we added further to this liquidity during this year's first half. We ended the second quarter with 55 million of total liquidity, comprised of 40 million in cash, which means we had no net debt, and with our 15 million revolving credit facility still undrawn and available. So this good performance was driven by, first, strong revenue. As shown in slide 13, our second quarter revenue of 48.2 million was driven by very strong performance in our North America operations, and the continued outstanding performance of All Access Pass. Whereas shown in chart A of slide 14, company-wide All Access Pass subscription sales grew 13% in the second quarter, 14% year-to-date, and 16% for the last 12-month pandemic period. And in addition to the All Access Pass subscription revenue, recognized in the quarter. Chart B shows that we also achieved a very strong 16 percent growth in all access pass amounts invoiced to 22.5 million in the second quarter and grew 30 percent year-to-date to 38.4 million. Most of this significant growth in all access pass amounts invoiced was not recognized in the quarter but was added to the balance sheet as deferred revenue. This will, of course, be recognized and help accelerate our results in future quarters. These new invoiced amounts included strong sales of new logos, a continued quarterly and last 12-month revenue retention rate of greater than 90%. As shown in chart C, a large number of All Access Pass expansions And as shown in chart D, a significant volume of multi-year all-access passes, which increased our unbilled deferred revenue significantly over last year's amount. Sales of services were also very strong in the second quarter. Services revenue in North America grew $7.7 million in the second quarter compared to $7.1 million in the prior year. Second, as shown in slide 15, these strong all-access pass sales drove significant growth in our gross margin percentage again in the second quarter. As shown, our gross margin percentage in the second quarter increased 559 basis points to 77.5% from 71.9% in the second quarter of last year. As shown also, our gross margin percentage has increased 459 basis points here to date and 392 basis points for the last 12 months. In the enterprise division, driven by the significant growth of the all-access pass and related sales, our gross margin percentage increased to 81.7%. compared to 76.1% in last year's second quarter, an increase of 562 basis points. Third, our operating SG&A in the second quarter was 2.4 million lower than last year's second quarter and 6.8 million lower than the first half of last year. And finally, the combination of these factors resulted in adjusted EBITDA growing to the 5.1 million, an increase of 1.1 million or 26%, compared to the just over 4 million of adjusted EBITDA achieved in last year's strong second quarter and significantly higher than our expected amount. The strong second quarter also resulted in adjusted EBITDA for the first six months of this year, reaching 8.8 million, a level only 200,000 less than the first half of fiscal 2020, which of course was pre-pandemic. Importantly, as noted, we also had strong invoiced and multi-year sales in the second quarter. Because most of these new invoice sales were subscription sales, these amounts were not recognized in the quarter, but went on to the balance sheet and added to our balance of build and unbuild deferred revenue, which we'll add to and be recognized in future quarters. As a result, as shown in slide 16, our total balance of build and unbuild deferred revenue increased to $95.9 million, reflecting growth of $13.2 million, or 16% to our balance of 82.7 million at the end of last year's second quarter. As noted last year, approaching 100 million of billed and unbilled deferred revenue is a big landmark for a subscription business and helps to provide significant stability and visibility into our future performance. This strong combination of factors continues to drive our expectation that we will generate very high growth in adjusted EBITDA and cash flow in fiscal 2021 and on an ongoing basis. So we're pleased with this second quarter result. And Bob, turn the time back over to you.

Well, thanks so much, Steve. Just continuing, as shown in slide 17, as reviewed last quarter, we expect to generate adjusted EBITDA between 20 and 22 million in fiscal 2021. And we were pleased to be off to a very strong start toward this objective. Achieving that range in adjusted EBITDA would represent an approximately 50% increase in adjusted EBITDA compared to the 14.4 million of adjusted EBITDA we achieved in fiscal 2020. And also, as we've noted previously, our target is to see adjusted EBITDA now increase by approximately 10 million per year every year hereafter. to at least approximately 30 million in fiscal 2022, to 40 in 2023, and so on. And these targets reflect our expectation that we'll be able to achieve at least high single-digit revenue growth each year, which is growth of approximately 20 million per year. But on average, approximately 50% of that amount of growth and revenue will flow through to increases in adjusted EBITDA and cash flow. As we also said previously, we fully expect to achieve an adjusted EBITDA sales margin of approximately 20 percent over the next few years as adjusted EBITDA approaches 60 million and to become a billion dollar market cap company even at the adjusted EBITDA multiple around 15 that is conservative relative to our adjusted EBITDA growth rate which is more like 35 percent. This of course doesn't reflect the multiple of revenue which is often achieved by companies with similarly successful subscription-based business models. So looking forward, as we've discussed, substantially all our growth has been and is being driven by growth in all access paths and related sales. This strong growth in all access paths and related sales has continued strong through the pandemic, as you've heard, and we expect it to continue to drive significant growth in the future. I'd like to just briefly highlight three factors that we expect will continue to drive significant growth in our subscription business and which will drive the very significant growth in sales and profitability in the coming quarters and years. As shown in slide 18, these are first, that driven by growth in All Access Pass, we expect substantially all of the company's sales to be subscription and subscription related within the next three to four years. Second, we expect that the already significant lifetime customer value of an All Access Pass holder will actually continue to increase. And third, as we continue to aggressively grow our sales force and our licensee network, the volume of new high lifetime value All Access Pass logos will accelerate. I'd just like to touch on each of these three quickly. First, as indicated in slide 19, driven by growth in All Access Pass related sales, we expect that substantially all of the company's sales will be subscription and subscription related within three to four years. As this almost complete conversion to subscription and related revenue occurs, we expect virtually the entire company to be able to generate the same kinds of growth in revenue, gross margins, revenue retention, and customer impact we've seen in our subscription business over the past five years. We expect this almost total transition to be driven by the following three things. First, by the continued strong growth of all access paths and related sales in the enterprise division in North America, where All Access Pass already accounts for 83% of sales. As shown in slide 20, All Access Pass and related sales represented only 13% or 13.7 million of total sales in North America in 2016 when we first introduced All Access Pass. The dramatic sustained compounded growth since then has resulted in All Access Pass and related increasing to 94.3 million for the latest 12 months through this year's second quarter. With annual All Access Pass and related sales growth expected to continue to grow at more than a double digit pace, and with our historical legacy sales now at very low levels and expected to remain flat or decline a little bit further, we expect All Access Pass and related sales to increase to more than 90% of total North America enterprise sales over the next few years. The second major driver to becoming almost totally subscription and related is the conversion of the majority of our international operations to All Access Pass and related in the coming years. In addition to the 83% of North America enterprise sales which are already All Access Pass, the growth and penetration of All Access Pass has also progressed rapidly in our English-speaking international direct offices. As you can see in slide 21, from having almost no subscription sales in these offices just five years ago, All Access Pass and related sales for the latest 12 months now account for 74% of total sales in the UK and 69% in Australia for the last 12 months. Both these offices are well on their way toward the same 90% penetration we expect to achieve in North America. As you know, our largest international direct offices are in China and Japan, both of which are in the early stages of conversion to All Access Pass, but accelerating. Having made the conversion to All Access Pass in the US and Canada, the UK and Australia, We know what the play is. We are confident that China and Japan will also convert the vast majority of their revenue to all excess past and related in the coming years. And then the final driver of increased subscription penetration is the other area of the company is our education division, which accounts for 22% of sales. Slide 22 shows that in our K-12 business, 70% of our sales were pure subscription for the latest 12-month period through this year's second quarter. Slide 22 also shows the significant increase in subscription sales in our K-12 business over the past years, and we expect both our K-12 and higher ed businesses to continue to advance toward the same 90% subscription that we are close to in North America, which we're on the way to in the UK and Australia, and which we'll achieve also in China and Japan. With this combination of the 82% and everything else moving, we expect virtually the entire business to reflect the higher growth, higher margin, higher retention properties of our subscription operations in the coming years, as you've seen, and the impact will be what we've already seen in North America and on the total business. Now I'd like to ask Paul Walker to address the other two elements behind our expected accelerated growth in our subscription business. Paul?

Thank you, Bob, and good afternoon to everyone on the phone. So the second factor that we expect will continue to drive significant growth and profitability is shown there in slide 23, point number two. It's that the already significant lifetime customer value of our all-access pass holders has increased and will continue to increase in the future. As shown in slide 24, All Access Pass has first there at the top a relatively large and increasing pass size of $38,000, up from $31,000 just a year ago. Second, the pass has an annual revenue retention rate of greater than 90%, which was the case even throughout the pandemic. Third, a services attachment rate of 44%, and I think important to note that that's up from just 17% a few years ago. The combination of all access pass, the pass itself, and the related attached services now total approximately $55,000 per pass-holding customer, and that number has continued to increase. And then fourth, as shown here, the blended gross margin on the pass and the related services combined have a gross margin of greater than 85%. These strong economics are driving a very significant lifetime customer value. In fact, this customer value is quite a bit higher than we had under our previous legacy pre-subscription model. For example, as shown in slide 25, a prior client, an example client, spending $10,000 in a given year under our legacy model typically spent about twice that, or $20,000 over three years, and has a gross margin of about 70%. In contrast, a typical All Access Pass customer today spends approximately $55,000 on a combination of their PATH and the related services in their first year, $49,500 in their second year, and $44,500 in their third year for a three-year total of $149,000 between the PATH and the related services. Stated a minute ago, whereas the old model was about a 70% gross margin, this new blended margin on all access PATH and related is greater than 85%. So that's the second reason. The third reason, as indicated here in slide 26, the third factor for driving our expectation of significant revenue and profitability growth is that as we continue to aggressively grow our sales force and our licensee network, the volume of new all-access path logos will accelerate. The combination of, one, our high and growing lifetime customer value, second, our less than one-to-one cost of acquiring a new customer, And third, our approximately one-year payback on the investment in hiring a new client partner makes the economics of growing our sales force extremely compelling. As shown in slide 27, over the past five years, we've added 74 net new client partners in our direct offices. More than half of these client partners are only midway through their five-year ramp-up to $1.3 million in annual sales volume. We expect these ramping client partners to generate significant revenue growth over the next few years as they complete their ramp and We also have a lot of headroom to add additional client partners. As shown in slide 28, this is just the US and Canada example alone, where we currently have 179 client partners across both enterprise and education. We have room to add at least an additional 435 client partners in the coming years. We expect that the combination of ramping the existing client partners and hiring at least 30 net new client partners each year will allow us to add a significantly increasing number of new logos, which in turn will generate very significant and increasing lifetime customer value. And so we believe that the combination of these three factors will continue to drive significant growth in sales and profitability in the quarters and years to come. Bob, I'll turn it back to you.

Great. And I'll turn it to Steve Young to address our guidance. Thank you very much, Paul. Steve?

And I'll keep the ball going. So, our guidance for FY21, as discussed in past quarters, is that we expect to generate adjusted EBITDA between 20 and 22 million, and we affirm that guidance. This result would be an approximately 50% increase compared to the 14.3 million of adjusted EBITDA achieved last year. This expected growth reflects everything that Bob and Paul talked about, including the continued strong performance of our North America operations. Underpinning this guidance for the year are the following expectations that we talked about last quarter and that are still consistent with our year-to-date results. First, that a significant portion of the deferred revenue on the balance sheet and a portion of the contracted unbilled deferred revenue will clearly flow through to recorded sales as expected. Second, that the All Access Pass will continue to achieve, one, strong growth in both sales and invoice sales, high revenue retention rates, strong sales of new logos, and continued growth in pass expansion and multi-year contracts. We also expect that All Access Pass add-on sales will continue to be strong. Third, that net sales in Japan, China, and among our licensees will continue to strengthen. The increase in the All Access Pass sales, which we expect to achieve in these countries, will of course result in a portion of the new sales to be added to the balance sheet as deferred revenue. And fourth, that in education, we expect to continue to achieve strong retention of both schools and revenue, among existing LeaderandMe schools. And despite the fact that the environment could be challenging and budget constrained for education in the remainder of FY21, we still expect to achieve growth in the number of new LeaderandMe schools beyond the 320 schools achieved in FY20. So that's our overall guidance that we affirm that guidance. For the third quarter of fiscal 2021, we expect that adjusted EBITDA will be between four and four and a half million compared to the adjusted EBITDA loss of 3.6 million in last year's pandemic impacted third quarter. Please note that the amount of adjusted EBITDA expected in Q3 is not only more than than 7.5 million higher than last year. It is also higher than the adjusted EBITDA result of 3.1 million achieved in the third quarter of FY19. So that's our guidance. Now our general targets for years beyond 2021. As we've said before, building on the 2020 22 million of adjusted EBITDA that we expect to achieve this year, and driven substantially by the expected continued growth of all access paths, our target is to have adjusted EBITDA increase by around 10 million per year to around 30 million in FY22 and to around 40 million in FY23. These targets reflect our expectations of being able to grow at least high single-digit revenue growth and approximately 50% of that growth in revenue will flow through to increases in adjusted EBITDA. While changes in the world's business outlook and many other factors could impact our expectations, we wanted to share these as our current internal targets and assumptions. We also want to mention again that not only are these our targets, but then when you read our last proxy, you noted that These are the targets that are tied to us achieving our LTIP awards. So that's our guidance. Bob, I'll turn the time back over to you.

Great. Thanks so much. And I really want to express appreciation to the whole FranklinCovey team and to all of you for your support and guidance throughout this past year. We're delighted to be where we are and grateful. and really excited about what's ahead of us. At this point, we'll open it to questions.

Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press star then 1 on your touch-tone phone. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press the pound sign or the hash key. If you're using a speakerphone, you may need to pick up the handset first before pressing the numbers. Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one on your touchtone phone. And our first question comes from Andrew Nicholas from William Blair. Your line is open.

Hi, good afternoon. Hi, how are you? Good, good. First, I was kind of hoping you could outline specifically where you saw better than expected performance in the second quarter, and at least relative to your internal expectations. And then kind of relatedly, trying to get a better feel for the rationale for maintaining the full year guide looks like what's implied for fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA is a decent step down from, you know, your historical averages in the fourth quarter and even the fourth quarter of last year. So is that a function of some conservatism or is there a, pretty meaningful increase in expense spend in the back half of this year. Just kind of help me pick that apart a little bit if you wouldn't mind.

Great. Yeah, taking the last question first, I think your observation is our observation too, which is primarily we think conservatism, just recognizing that a lot of our education sales occur in the first quarter. That environment continues to be uncertain, although, like we said, we feel There's some good things there. It just felt like while the trend being up versus expectation in the first and second quarters and feeling good about the third, you know, it's possible that at this time next quarter we'd be adjusting our guidance. We just felt like, you know, it was probably wise just to get a better handle on where education's looking going into the fourth quarter, which we'll have a really good handle on, we think. by May and June, so it's really primarily that. There's no expectation of anything, any of the existing trends not continuing, if that's helpful. We will have some additional spend that'll be in the function of new hiring, hiring of new salespeople, which we have new sales classes coming on. Those aren't massive incremental investments, but those are some. There are some there. Also, although it doesn't affect the just EBITDA as much, there will be some expense. Last year, the bonuses and other things, of course, were, well, some of it will hit the just EBITDA and reduce it, but it's not enough to change the general trend, so it's more just trying to feel like we have a really good handle by the time we would, if we were to change our guidance, that we do that knowing where we believe education is. Is that response on the second half of that question?

Got it. That's helpful.

And as to the quarters where we overperformed a bit, Paul and Jan and Sean, would you like to address that? There were a couple of areas of overperformance.

Yeah, sure. Hi, Andrew. This is Paul. I'll just take a quick comment on, first of all, as noted in the prepared remarks, all acts as passed and it continues to chug along and do very, very well. And so that was, we saw a great growth there in the number of new logos. Revenue retention stayed high again, and services have come back quite nicely, and even a bit ahead of where we maybe thought they would have been in the second quarter. And then also, international direct, while we knew it would improve, it was only off 14% in the second quarter, and that continues to strengthen for us. And then, of course, our gross margins As we convert to all access paths and the mix of business shifts, it continues to benefit our gross margins greatly, which, of course, drops the bottom line. So I would say those would be three on the enterprise side.

Got it. No, that's all helpful, Collar. And then maybe as my follow-up, Bob, you mentioned it in response to the second part of my question earlier or touched on it a bit, but just kind of sticking with education and I was wondering if you could speak a little bit more to kind of how you're seeing that recovery unfold, what the cadence might look like there, and maybe at what point are you anticipating returning to pre-pandemic revenue levels? Is that something we can reasonably expect in fiscal 22, or is it another year or two out from there? Great. Thanks.

Sean, would you like to address the first part? I'll just do it at the very end.

Yeah, sure. Thank you. So I think that here's what we're seeing right now is we're starting to get a lot more phone calls accepted, visits accepted. In the first quarter, you know, our delivered coaching days were down 55%. This quarter they're down about 24%. We expect them to be up in the third quarter. by probably about 25%. So it's going the right direction. So we're having more opportunities to get into schools. That's a really good thing. Schools are opening up. It's different by state, by county and district. But that's a positive trend. And our retention has been strong, as you can see. We've been up about 300 schools compared to last year in terms of the number of schools that we're maintaining. The thing that's still a little bit uncertain is just decision-making by some of the districts, and people are still kind of holding out longer than usual. So we do believe that we'll get more schools in the fourth quarter than we did last year. We brought in 320 last year. We think we'll beat that this year. And it's hard to say, but I think that... It might be mid-year next year before we fully recover next fiscal year, but the trends are going in the right direction, and we expect things to improve in the third quarter and the fourth. Bob, what would you add?

No, that was great. I would just put really hardly anything. The only thing I'd add is just give perspective on numbers. In fiscal 19, we added 520 new schools, Last year was 320, which was amazing in a way, given the environment. As Sean said, we think we'll do somewhat better than that, maybe close to 400 this year, but expect to be kind of back on that track to 500 plus next year.

Got it. And then, sorry, just if I could squeeze one more in on education. How much of your targets for 22 and 23 are dependent on kind of a re-acceleration in that business. And I'm just kind of thinking about, you know, if there is some disruption to the fall calendar or into next year's school year, if that is, you know, a meaningful deterrent or if you think that kind of momentum in the enterprise is enough to overcome that at least temporarily.

That's a great question. That's really a great question. And the short answer is that our... our outlook of being able to generate 10 million or so EBITDA growth a year is really not very dependent on either the growth of education or even our international operations because all access paths and related sales have been growing by close to 20 million a year on their own in North America and UK and Australia and so just if those keep on pace you know, that's, you know, 80% of what we're talking about does not include much, you know, does not include a big recovery, or none of it requires a big recovery, and when we gave you those numbers, we knew it was a little uncertain, so we felt like we should just assume that education and international recovered more slowly. They're doing better than we thought at the time we gave that outlook. So most of the outlook is driven by North America, all access paths. Great. Great. Thank you. Have a good night's weekend. Thanks. Great questions. You all too. Thanks.

And your next question comes from Marco Rodriguez from Stonegate Capital. Your line is open.

Hi, Marco. Good afternoon, everyone. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Thank you. I was wondering if you could maybe spend a little bit more time on the Salesforce and the client partners. I'm just kind of wondering what sort of activities you might have or you're expecting rather than the second half of 21. Are there maybe any sort of new different incentive structures you might be playing around with or thoughts as far as accelerating pace of hiring or changes in hiring strategies, any sort of marketing events?

Yeah, Paul and Jen and

Jen, do you want to take that one?

Yes. Thanks, Marco. Jen Colosimo. In terms of what we're seeing and what's driving the acceleration is really the ecosystem of the hiring happening and a strong sales enablement process around onboarding. We're seeing them get much quicker starts, which has been wonderful to see throughout the pandemic. That linked up with what we're seeing in thought leadership. We have increasing exposure in thought leadership in terms of article placement, what we're getting in terms of podcasts and more social. It's the ecosystem of marketing, the sales enablement, and a really strong management team executing on strategy and building an inclusive environment. So all of those together have accelerated what we're seeing happening in terms of our onboarding and our ability to continue hiring at the pace that we have. Paul, what would you add?

I would just add, I think that was great, I would just add that we've recently added one more recruiter to our staff of internal recruiters, recognizing that we're going to accelerate the number of new client partners being added. So now we have a team of six that do that full-time for us. in addition to what Jen said. And then as far as down the road, I think we'll look at, as we grow towards having many hundreds of client partners, for example, just in North America, I imagine the structure will look a little bit different there. And we might, up to this point, we haven't really divided our sales force out among different sized organizations. I think we're having discussions. Well, I don't think we are having discussions about that. I think in the years to come we'll do some of that that we think will even accelerate our ability to add more client partners in earlier, and we might get to a point where we're actually north of net 30 a year.

Got it. Very helpful. And then kind of sticking around with the client partner activities, just obviously given the pandemic and you had a slide in your presentation where a lot of the interactions or the vast majority of the interactions have shifted to kind of an online delivery model. Now that the vaccines are sort of rolling out, how are you guys kind of thinking about that impact as it relates to client partner travel? And maybe if you can speak to what you might be expecting or how you're thinking about your overall employee base and the whole work from home experience.

Paul, I can speak to that. Of course, Marco, if a client wants to see us face-to-face, in fact, I was on with several client partners today that have face-to-face meetings scheduled, lunches, breakfasts, events at their office space. If that client is returning whether to a hybrid model or to an all-in office model, we of course want to meet with them So it really is very client dependent as you see in the marketplace what that client is expecting to do and how they'll hope to interact with us. I do not expect us to return anytime soon to the same sort of travel that we had previously simply because the clients aren't looking to that kind of travel. So from a travel standpoint we are looking at what makes sense based on our client bias which as you might expect is differential dependent on province or state in Canada and the U.S.

Got it. Very helpful. Thank you guys for your time. I appreciate it. Thanks, Marco. Appreciate it very much.

And our next question comes from Jeff Martin from Roth Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Hey, Jeff.

Good afternoon. How are you?

Good. How are you doing?

Good, thanks. Good, thanks. I was curious if you could expand on the opportunity within education specific to how the stimulus programs benefit you and how they're going to need to basically reinvigorate the teachers and the students back to normal. Are you doing anything for social and emotional learning different than you otherwise would have when you go work with existing and new schools.

Great. Sean, would you like to address?

Yes.

Yes. Hi, Jeff. Sure. Yeah. Here's what we're seeing. We're thrilled about the three big COVID bills. It's going to bring a lot of money in. The amount, the $200 million over the last year compares to about $250 $200 billion, excuse me, compares to about $50 billion that typically the federal government spends in K-12 education. So it's like a three-fold increase. This will help supplement for some of the budget cuts. And so that's a good thing. It will also help with Title I schools primarily, which is where we're strongest. Over 60% of our business is with Title I schools. These are schools that have high poverty. We're doing a lot to try to take advantage of this. We have, in the last just few weeks, we've bid on bigger request for proposals, RFPs, than we ever have before. And a lot of these are around what we call learning recovery. Learning loss is a big factor. The schools are very concerned that students have lost a whole year of learning and it's going to impact them long term. And so we've added to our positioning this whole learning recovery nose cone on top of our marketing and positioning where we're going out to schools and districts and saying, hey, Leader in Me is actually really good at helping you recover learning. We've got a solution to help you do that. So we're taking advantage of this by going after stimulus money. We're targeting it. We recently hired a person that's a specialist in this area. There's a lot of money to be had, and this won't just be for a few months. This will last for a couple years, all this money. So it's kind of a long-term play over the next two to three years. Student and teacher wellness is another big factor. There's been a lot of trauma for students and for teachers. Just the changes and the we're in school, we're out, the hybrids, the amount of stress that's created, that's been a huge factor. In fact, those are the top two hot topics right now is what do we do with all this learning loss? And what can we do with helping with wellness with teachers and students? And so we're also going after that. We've actually created just in the last two months some new products that are part of Leader in Me, but they're kind of, again, adjacencies to it to go after teacher and student wellness. So we feel like this is a big opportunity for us. We think SEL, social emotional learning, is right down our alley. So this is why we're pretty bullish about the future is we feel like we can really take advantage of the stimulus money, do a little bit of repositioning of the leader in me to leverage these hot topics that we're seeing right now. So, Jeff, is that responsive to your question?

Yeah, that's very helpful. I mean, I think it's intuitive that leader in me plays an important role here, and it strengthens the value proposition is kind of the way I see it. Yeah, it does. It does. Okay, I have a couple more real quick here. I was curious, Bob, if you could elaborate on where you are with respect to the rollout of the all-access pass subscription model internationally. I know that's hard to do because you've got to decipher across regions, but from a high level, how much of the international markets are actively selling all-access pass now? Which ones are kind of pending some additional... work that needs to be done, and with respect to the license partners, kind of same question, how many of them or what percentage of them are actively selling all access paths today?

Great. Yeah, we mentioned in this script that in the English speaking in UK and Australia, they're already at about 70% all access paths. And so that's been going concurrently. But Paul, do you want to talk about the efforts to convert the licensees and our offices in Japan and China and Germany.

Yeah, you bet. Hi, Jeff. Okay, so in Japan, we're now well underway. In fact, Japan is approaching a quarter of their client base. It's now converted to all-access pass. And we kind of see that playing out as maybe a third, a third, a third over the next three years. such that three years from now, their business will look very much like the U.S. and Canada's business today. As Bob mentioned, that's driving our ability to say we think that in three to four years' time, we'll have 90% or so of the whole company will be subscription-related. So that's Japan. They're a quarter of the way in, probably get to a third by the end of this fiscal year, and then we'll move on from there. China is right on their heels. Now we have the portal up in China. It's up and running. We're doing a significant amount of sales training, getting all the things we did in the U.S. and the U.K. and Australia to get to where we are. We're doing in Japan, and now we're starting to do in China. And they'll probably be on a similar path to Japan, probably trail six or eight months, just because they're not quite there yet. But we're starting in China. We've actually sold a couple of all-access passes, have a have a really interesting one we're excited about right now that we're talking with the client over there. I think it's important to note that in China, we do a lot of delivery to U.S. multinational and other multinational companies that have a presence in China. So we're delivering the all-access pass to clients all over in China right now, but we're talking specifically here about sales made in China to companies in China, and that's where we're just getting going right now. So that's Japan and China. In the licensee partners, we're actually, that business is growing, All Access Pass is growing pretty well inside the licensee operations. We have one of our partners in the Benelux region. Their business looks now like the U.S. They're right near 90% of their business is now All Access Pass and related. Our Middle East operation is well north of 50%. All Access Pass and related. Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, they're about a third of the way there. So we're pleased. It's a little bit of a different dive getting them as our licensee partners across on that, but every month, every quarter, their business is converting, and I think we're on a similar timeline with them as we are in China and Japan. I think we're looking at three years from now, maybe four at the outside marker there. Substantially, everything in enterprise, whether it's direct or licensee sold, will be at that kind of 90%-ish all access pass and related.

Yeah, and Jeff, you know, and the thing, of course, is it relates to the whole business model, and that's why you asked the question, but, you know, when you start having more than 90% retention of all the revenue around the world versus the old model, which was, you know, 60 or 65, and starting from that base every year, and then with new customer engagement model allows you to stay inside with clients and help those clients to grow and expand and increase their lifetime value, is both strategically and financially a very different thing as you're seeing in North America.

Sure, sure. That's great detail. Thanks for that. And then final question is with respect to gross margins. I mean, you detailed the all-access pass model is generating for mature clients, generating 85% gross margins. Is that what you're seeing across the client base, or was that a unique example of And where do you see, once you're fully rolled out with All Access Pass to the level of degree that you are in North America internationally, where do you see the gross margin profile of the business looking like at that point?

Yeah. And Steve, you may want to add some things to this. I'll just maybe set the context and say that the 85% gross margin is a pretty good balanced what it should be for an All Access Pass business. because that's a balance of subscription plus 45% services, so it gives you that blend. And so directionally, as that becomes the norm across the world, our margins will continue to creep up as they have. That might not happen every quarter because you may add more services. The mix may not stay consistent. every quarter be exactly the same mix, but we've seen the services repeat really at about the same store basis or same client basis at about the same level. So we think that's a model that our gross margins will tend to increase over time. Some things that will work against that, and muted a little bit, is that you know, as services grow in some areas where they don't yet have, you know, they're selling all access passes, not as much add-on services, you know, they'll get to 85%, but it could mute the overall companies a little bit as that happens. But I think overall you can think of a world where the margins will move toward that and we'll always have 10% of our legacy because that's a good way Somebody has a corporate meeting and they want to invite one of our consultants to come and deliver training there, and that's a lead-in to doing all access tasks, or somebody gives a speech. And so we'll always have 10% of it that will be that, but the rest of it will tend to move toward that. I don't know, Steve, what you would add to that.

No, Bob, that's exactly what I'd say. Our gross margin is primarily a function of mix. the pandemic, one of the benefits of the pandemic, if you will, or one of the impacts is the mix shifted toward subscription. So just as Bob was saying, if the mix, while the subscription business will continue to grow over time and that will cause the margin to go up, if the other areas as they come back could have some reduction for a while, and particularly travel. Maybe 100 basis points of our improvement is related to travel. When travel comes back, it will impact our gross margin, but not our EBITDA. So, Bob, exactly what you said.

Jeff, the reason why that travel does that, sorry, go ahead. No, go ahead. No, why don't you explain just how travel plays into that? It's not our corporate travel. It's travel of consultants to client sites.

Yeah, so the reason it doesn't impact our adjusted EBITDA because, well, we bill the customers and get reimbursed. But it's a meaningful amount that hits revenue and cost of sales with zero margin. So you can just think of a sale with zero margin. So it impacts our customers. gross margin percentage a bit while not hurting our adjusted EBITDA. So that means there will just be a little bit of a coming out of the pandemic adjustment to gross margin and then a long-term increase of gross margin as the mix of the whole company shifts more percentage-wise towards subscription.

Got it. Thanks for the caller and have a nice holiday weekend.

Right. You too, Jeff. Thanks so much.

And that concludes our question and answer session. I'll turn the call back over to Bob Whitman for final remarks.

All right. Again, thanks to each of you for your support and confidence through this period. We're grateful to you, grateful to our team. Just want to express maybe publicly, you've heard from our amazing executive team that they really are incredible. You know, and just in every area, you couldn't have better leaders who have more engaged employees. In the middle of this pandemic, our employee engagement scores actually went up. They were already high. You'd expect we have a good culture. But they actually went up to new levels, just showing that what trust does, even in difficult times, trust and leadership does. And so I love and admire our people and community. both our executive team and all of our leaders and people. I think it's an important point. It's one of our huge strategic advantages. So thanks to all of you, and have a great holiday weekend. And we'll look forward to talking to any of you who would like to follow up. It's just as soon as you'd like. Thanks so much.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.