First Commonwealth Financial Corporation

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree and I will be your conference operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the first Commonwealth Financial Corporation first quarter 2024 earnings release conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to redraw your question, again, press the star one. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ryan Thomas, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Desiree, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss first Commonwealth Financial Corporation's first quarter financial results. Participating on today's call will be Mike Price, President and CEO, Jim Reske, Chief Financial Officer, Jane Gravents, Bank President and Chief Revenue Officer, Brian Carrup, our Chief Revenue Officer, and Mike McEwen, our Corporate Banking Executive. As a reminder, a copy of yesterday's earnings release can be accessed by logging on to sdbanking.com and selecting the Investor Relations link at the top of the page. We've also included a slide presentation on our Investor Relations website with supplemental financial information that will be referenced during today's call. Before we begin, I need to caution listeners that this call will contain forward-looking statements. Please refer to our forward-looking statements disclaimer on page three of the slide presentation for a description of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected in the forward-looking statement. Today's call will also include non-GAP financial measures. Non-GAP financial measures could be viewed in addition to and not as an alternative for our reported results prepared in accordance with GAP. Reconciliation of these measures can be found in the appendix of today's slide presentation. With that, I will turn the call over to Mike.

Hey, thank you, Ryan, and welcome, everyone. Despite pressure on the net interest margin through higher depository costs, first Commonwealth beat consensus earning estimates by one penny with 37 cents per share in the first quarter of 2024. Core ROA and the efficiency ratio were .31% and .05% respectively. The bank set a number of earnings records in 2023 and had a particularly strong fourth quarter. That was certainly worth celebrating, but it affects most of the -over-period comparisons. For example, in the fourth quarter of 2023, we had negative provision expense of $1.9 million due to the release of reserves. This quarter provision expense was a more typical $4.2 million. That swing strongly affected -over-quarter comparisons of financial metrics like core EPS, return on assets, and return on tangible common equity. In addition, interest expense increased by $4.6 million over the last quarter, overwhelming the $1.2 million increase in interest income and resulting in a $3.4 million decline in net interest income. As a result, the core non-GAAP measures that we report on a pre-provision basis, such as core pretax, pre-provision ROA, they also declined from last quarter. Importantly, balance sheet liquidity strengthened as our -to-deposit ratio fell from .9% at year end to .6% at the end of the first quarter. -of-period deposits increased over $254 million or .1% annualized, while loans increased just .5% annualized or $33 million. Consumer CDs constituted the bulk of deposit growth, primarily from our core consumer customers, while business deposits fell due to seasonal factors. We've begun to taper CD pricing based on first quarter growth and market conditions, and we'll continue to watch competitor rates and consumer behavior. Loan growth for the quarter may appear to be on the low side for us, but it's very much in line with our long-term plan to tilt the balance sheet more towards commercial lending. Commercial loans grew at an annualized rate of 5.24%, right in line with our long-term mid-single digits guidance. That commercial growth offset declines in consumer real estate balances, and the movement in consumer balances is no surprise. We're now selling over 90% of our mortgage originations, including mortgage construction loans, and in fact, mortgage gain on sale fee income increased over last quarter. Second, lean products like HELOCs and HELOanes are naturally down because of the rate environment, and also because a lot of those balances were driven by refi activity during the pandemic. And the auto book is replacing runoff and nicely pricing upward exactly as planned. Overall, we see the diversification of our loan portfolio as one of our key strengths, and slow growth or even modest decline in consumer balances in any given quarter provide us with the liquidity and capital to grow commercial loans and maintain our current mid-single digits guidance. As we execute regionally and profitably grow core deposits, loans, fee income, then we will grow meaningfully in the years ahead. Becoming the best bank for businesses and their owners will be a big part of that growth. The capital, Columbus, and Cincinnati regions present significant opportunities for growth at First Commonwealth. Our branch and business-based deposit gathering efforts have also led to our low-cost funding advantage. With mild loan growth, it might appear from the outside like this was an uneventful quarter for us, but nothing could be further from the truth. We've made a number of internal management changes to maintain our momentum and ensure our success. Since hiring a new chief lending officer last September, we have made a concerted effort to upgrade regional leadership, create more enduring operational scalability, and improve our C&I expertise. Some recent actions include naming new regional presidents in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, new leadership in the Harrisburg region, and a new head of corporate banking portfolio management and commercial loan documentation. We've also hired five new commercial bankers during this same period. As we like to say, we always keep our feet moving. In other words, we actively cultivate a culture of continual transformation and improvement so that we can prove steadily improving financial results year in and year out. And with that, I'll turn it over to Jim, our CFO.

Thanks, Mike. Before I break down the margin and other elements of the income statement, I'd like to highlight a few balance sheet items. Regulatory capital ratio has improved due to strong retained earnings and the absence of any buyback activity in the quarter, combined with modest balance sheet expansion. Strong deposit growth coupled with modest loan growth improved our liquidity as well. Not only did it bring down a loan to deposit ratio, as Mike mentioned, but it also left us with $223 million of excess cash at the end of the quarter. The strength of our internal capital generation and our improved liquidity position has allowed us to announce two actions with first quarter earnings. First, a regular increase in the dividend of two cents per year, in keeping with prior years, and our long-term goal of smooth and steady increases in the dividend for our shareholders. And secondly, the redemption of $50 million of our $100 million in outstanding subordinated adventures on June 1st. The timing of this redemption was right for several reasons. First, the sub-debt would have lost another 20% of its tier two capital treatment on June 1st, and refinancing options up are inevitably expensive. Second, the consolidated total risk-based capital ratio improved organically by 34 basis points in the quarter. That mostly offsets the 44 basis point impact of calling a sub-debt in the second quarter. And we have modeled further organic growth in our capital ratios in the second quarter as well. Third, the excess cash at quarter end provided liquidity with which to fund the repurchase without taking on any additional borrowings. Finally, the coupon of this tranche of the sub-debt was currently about 7.45%, and we're paying it off using funds that are currently sitting at the Fed earning 5.4%. So its redemption will save the company approximately $1 million in pre-tax expense per year and improve the net interest margin, or NIM, by about a basis point. Our strong deposit build in the first quarter came at the expense of the net interest margin as our NIM compressed by 13 basis points in the quarter. We had expected that the yield on earning assets would improve by approximately 10 to 15 basis points, matching a 10 to 15 basis point anticipated increase in the cost of funds, producing instability. It didn't turn out that way. Instead, the yield on earning assets only improved by 5 basis points, and the cost of funds went up 19 basis points. In the aggregate, we originated new loans at just over 8% in the first quarter, but the old ones that are running off were in the aggregate about 7%, resulting in relatively modest replacement yields. On top of that, the loan portfolio yield was negatively impacted in the first quarter by the continued effect of received fixed macro swaps that we introduced several years ago. Fortunately, 25 million of those swaps run off on June 30th of this year, and another 50 million run off in December. Those who only had a one basis point benefit to the NIM in 2024, but a further 250 million run off in 2025, which we expect to produce a cumulative benefit to the NIM of 8 to 11 basis points, depending on the trajectory of rates. If rates stay higher for longer, the benefit of the macro swap rolloff will be on the high side of that range. On the liability side, deposit costs increased by 25 basis points, as we saw a 233 million dollar decline in low cost deposit categories, combined with a 283 million dollar increase in the more expensive categories. Despite the movements and balances, we saw net gains in consumer households in the quarter. In fact, our deposit pricing strategies have been effective not just in retaining our deposits, but in attracting new dollars to the bank. While the cost of deposits went up 25 basis points, the cost of funds only went up by 19 basis points because we benefited from participation in the Federal Reserve's Bank Term Funding Program in the quarter. We got in the program and borrowed just over 500 million dollars while the Fed was still pricing the borrowings on the forward curve. So we are grandfathered in, so to speak, at .76% on those borrowings until next March. We didn't enter the program with the intent to arbitrage the rate. We simply borrowed that much because that's what we needed at the time, and the Fed's rate was less than the FHLB. Ordinarily, we would use the excess cash generation from the strong deposit growth we enjoyed in the first quarter to pay off borrowings. But given the rate differential, we prefer to stay in the BTFP program for now, which is why we ended the quarter with 223 million on deposit at the Fed at 5.4%. While it's obviously accreted to income to the tune of about a penny a share in 2024, it did have a three basis points of pressing effect on the NIMM in the first quarter. Fee income and non-interest expense are both little changed, but slightly unfavorable to last quarter. -to-back swap fees were nonexistent, and customers have little desire to lock in fixed rates. And interchange was down seasonably compared to the fourth quarter with holiday spending. We were pleased, however, to see mortgage and SBA gain and sale income pick up from last quarter. That was good. The non-interest expense comparison to last quarter was also affected by a tax accrual reversal that benefited the fourth quarter and by higher occupancy expense in the first quarter. And with that, I'll turn it back

over to Mike. Thanks, Jim. And operator, if we could pause for some questions.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to redraw your question, simply press star one again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening via speaker phone on your device, please pick up your handset to ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. Again, press the star one to join the queue. Your first question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo with Raymond James. Your line is open.

All right. Thank you. Good afternoon, guys. Maybe, Jim, I appreciate all the detail on the puts and the takes of the margin in the first quarter as well as what's coming in the next rest of the year and even into 25 with those swaps. But maybe you can kind of fill us in on how you're thinking about the core margin and the total margin path for the rest of the year.

Oh, yeah. Thanks. You may have noticed that absent from my prepared remarks, there's any kind of forecast of the NIMS. And that was conscious. But just to be clear, we're very cognizant of the fact that in the last three quarters in a row, we were forecasting instability and yet the margin could press by about 10 base points every quarter. I will tell you that the forecast that we have suggests the same thing, NIMS stability going forward. So that is our forecast. And those forecasts actually take into account a falling rate environment. Those rate environment forecasts and our preparation of those forecasts project the Fed funds down to 4.38 percent by the end of the year, about four rate cuts. If the Fed slows down rate cuts or we're in a higher, longer environment, that'll benefit the NIMS. That'll be even better. I will say we have sharpened our pencils and gotten better at forecasting deposit movements. That's something that I think we were catching, we were caught out on in the last couple quarters in the last year. We've gotten better at that. So we're trying to understand where depositors are going. And we've also, in light of the disparity between loan growth and deposit growth this quarter, bowed back the aggressiveness of the deposit rates a little bit. So we still have decent specials out there, but they're not top of market specials. That's probably going to bring deposit growth more in line with the loan growth and help them achieve that kind of stability target. But that's how we're thinking about it now,

Danny. Okay, that's very helpful. And just to be clear, the one basis point benefit from swaps in 2024 and then the three basis point negative impact from the funds at the window, that's all baked into your assumption there?

It is. The cash on hand at the Fed right now, that three basis points of pressing effect that I talked about, the reason I have a little bit of optimism is that cash has come down a little bit here in the second quarter so far. So without telling sales out of school, we're right about $150 million right now. If it stayed at $250 for the full quarter, it would have about a six or seven basis points of pressing effect. The average for the first quarter was only $112 million, even though the end of the quarter of 2023 of excess cash. The average excess cash for the quarter is $112 million. That's why it was only a three basis points of pressing effect. If it stayed at $250 for the full second quarter, that's like a six or seven basis points of pressing effect. But it's come down and makes me a little hopeful. And I would just add, thin margin balance sheet leverage business is generally not something you find attractive and don't pursue. But now that we've got it, we're going to stay in the program because we make a little money off of it and we would hate to pay off those borrowings and then find that we have great loan growth in the second half of the year, we're borrowing again from the FHLB at 5.4%. I hope that clarifies things a little bit on the excess cash question anyway.

It does. Yeah, it does. Thank you. Oh, I guess and then just lastly, what are your thoughts on accretion? What the contribution was in the first quarter and then where that may go the rest of the year?

EPS accretion or I'm sorry, what do you mean?

I'm sorry, discount accretion, purchase account.

Oh, I think it was seven basis points of the quarter. It's going to be fading out about a basis point every quarter. Okay. Seven basis points in the first quarter and fading out by a basis point each quarter.

All right. Well, thanks for taking on my questions. Appreciate it.

Thanks, Dan. You bet.

Our next question comes from the line of Carl Sheppard with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon,

guys. Hey, Carl.

Jim, I wanted to pick up on the margin discussion a little bit. When you talk about the spots on slide 14, should the message that we should take away is that the overall margin can drift higher over the next couple of quarters and into 25 if we think in near-term stability and those kind of fall off? Is that a fair way for us to think about it?

It could if rates stay high on the replacement yields pick up a little bit and we can bring the deposit costs under control. Those are a lot of yes. We're getting closer and closer to the... Your question is about those macro swaps. We're just getting closer to maturity, so we thought we'd provide some helpful disclosure this quarter to kind of spell out the effect of those, the roll off of those swaps would be. There's a page in our supplement that we put on the PowerPoint presentation. We call it an earnings presentation supplement that is on the investor relations portion of our website. It's page 14 that kind of has a bar chart that spells out the dollar volume of the swap maturities, the macro swap maturities, and then the cumulative impact for all those. The real benefit is until next year. But maybe you could think about it this way to answer your question directly. That will help reduce the stability that we're looking for. Right. If you have that support from those things rolling off, that can only help. And if they stay at a higher rate, higher for longer rate environment, we'll just keep repricing up the fixed rate loan portfolio and those macro swaps will roll off and that'll work out really well.

Jim, your team modeled really in a baseline scenario or following about eight basis points of cumulative impact, creating to the margin and a flat rate scenario 11 basis points.

That's right. So it's material.

That's through 2025, Carl.

Yep. Okay.

And then on loan growth, so we've got deposits outstripping loans this quarter. I know you guys are trying to be very measured aligning the two, but should we think about this quarter's performance as giving you a little bit of runway for the rest of the year or do you think this case of loan growth is a fair assumption?

I think it does give us runway. I think that we've proven with .5% loan growth last year, not withstanding our acquisition of Centric in the new capital region and that we can generate deposits and then through this fourth quarter, even if it cost us a little something some. And so we're excited about that and we've also grown deposits, the deposit households as Jim mentioned. And so we're going to taper and dial that in better and better each quarter. But we're also excited about growing the corporate bank, maybe a real estate dealer too this year and turning that back on a bit, but more importantly, growing CNI, small business, SBA, which will become the core of the company over the next five plus years. And so we're optimistic about the future and our ability to grow.

Okay, thank you both. And before our next question, if I could circle back, I said seven base points of an increase in was actually 7.6, so in rounds eight, that's purchase account increase for the first quarter just ended, just for the record.

Okay, next question comes from the line of Kelly Mota with KBW. Your line is open. Hi,

thanks so much for the question. I guess kind of picking up on loan growth, picking up on the question there, just wondering if you could talk a bit about your pipelines where you're seeing opportunities and the best opportunities where you're seeing the most demand from your clients.

Yes, right now on the consumer side, we have pinched the volume there really across the board, and we're just replacing what is running off at best. On the commercial side, our SBA business has pretty good pipeline. CNI, the pipelines are building somewhat depending on the region. And commercial real estate, the demand there is still tamped down, but there will be a deal or two there. So it's not fulsome like we were growing maybe two years ago where it seemed like each year we would guide in the high single digits and we would eclipse that. Now our guidance is probably more like mid single digits.

Got it. That's super helpful. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

No worries. I just have Jane Gravence, our president, and Mike McEwen, our executive vice president of corporate banking. Anything that the two of you would add? This is an important consideration on loan growth.

Sure. Couple things. We are bullish on SBA, and it's important to note that only 25% of that is the balance sheet. The other 75% ultimately gets sold and we get the gain on sale income in lieu of the balance growth. So we're seeing good SBA business, and Brian has reminded me that the SBA business that we are booking now is probably the best we'll see because it's able to be approved under today's interest rate environment. So this is all good stuff. Most of that SBA is business acquisition, and so we do like the SBA business a lot. And then as Mike said, the commercial business is a little bit more muted, but we are seeing pipelines growing. And I think customers and prospects are starting to finally think maybe the recession isn't right around the corner and they're starting to spend a little bit.

Got it. That's super helpful. Thank you so much. And then maybe actually then switching to fees, mortgage, you had a nice quarter from mortgage, and in your prepared remarks you mentioned selling more production there, and you just mentioned SBA, and I've heard from some other banks that the premiums have come back a bit in that line item. Just wondering if gain on sale in both lines was pretty strong this quarter, if this is a good run rate for those items and any sort of puts or takes off of Q1 levels, it'd be great. Yeah. Jane, any thoughts?

Well, we feel good about the volumes, and you're right, the premiums have come down in both businesses some. It just means we have to work harder for each dollar. But I think the run rates in both businesses are, you know, I don't want to over promise, but I think we're about where we're going to be.

Got it. That's helpful. I will step back. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Next question comes from the line of Matthew Breece, speech defense. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Hey, Matt. Mike, just a point of clarification. So traditionally, when we talk about kind of mid single digit loan growth, it's usually all inclusive, but we've definitely made a difference this quarter in terms of talking about commercial versus consumer growth. When you point to mid single digit growth for the rest of the year, are you implying all in loan growth or are you just commercial growth? And that means we'll probably see loan growth similar to what we saw this quarter.

I'd like to see it all in, which means we would get maybe a little tailwind from the consumer side, maybe a little bit. We've done a nice job of pricing our consumer and maintaining some volumes, particularly in the indirect auto, which is an in market business. And so we could maybe get a tipping point there and maybe some tailwinds. And so, but maybe be more, it will be have to be commercially driven. But that is for the whole year and we would have to do a lot more in the second half of the year, undoubtedly.

Okay. So

all

in loan growth is probably more than likely to be on the lower side of mid single digit growth with commercial being kind of the X factor.

I suspect you're right, but we're going to hold our feet to the fire internally. Five percent. Fair enough.

Mike, that's Mike. You know, we could turn up consumer loan volume, but we would have to blink on price and we'd have to blink a little bit more than we're comfortable blinking right this minute. You know, the auto business is softening a little bit. So if we have to compete on price.

That's right. Got it. All right. And then Jim, maybe just a couple for you. You know, you pointed out in your opening comments that we do have a bit more liquidity on the balance sheet today. Securities also grew a little bit. I was hoping so for hoping for some more color on those two items strategy around securities at this point and liquidity at the point.

Yeah, thanks for asking. We'll take some of the excess cash and deploy the liquidities, but not not aggressively really want securities right now. We can maybe get in the high five. We're getting five point four overnight at the Fed. Obviously, the security system duration and whenever we buy, we're always looking at four to five year duration. So that helps a little bit in a falling rate environment, but the yield pickup is not tremendous in securities right now. We've gotten securities for probably up a little bit from last year when it got a little uncomfortably low just in terms of on balance sheet liquidity. It's back up a little bit now, but we just always would rather be making loans and buy security. So if we have a loan growth opportunity, we just rather deploy it there. And we really not, we don't want to put all in securities and finally we're borrowing overnight to fund loan growth. We just rather use it for the loan growth. So we'll keep our eyes on it. But for the moment, my thought is some securities growth, we'll take some of that cash mean if we have, I already disclosed it, if we have 150 million today, we'll take 50 million to pay off the sudden on June 1st. Maybe whatever's left, half of that in the securities growth and we'll see what happens with loan growth going forward.

Okay. I appreciate that. And then Jim, historically you do provide some update on what kind of the forward outlook is for total fee income and expenses. Expenses came in actually better than expected this quarter and I appreciate some update there.

Yeah. And our guidance really isn't changing on those things. I think the fee income and the expenses are going to be consistent with the guidance we've previously given. So, and I think that was on the fee side, 67 to 68, and it was 67 to 69 million for the quarter. But I don't mean to change the guidance because I thought actually both the analyst consensus on those and our previous guidance just didn't need to be updated.

Understood. Okay. And then just an update on overall credit. You know, all eyes are on Office and you have some great disclosures, but I'd love to hear a little bit more about kind of your top exposures in Office, what the typical sizes of the biggest loans and how they're performing, if anything is keeping me up at night.

There's always a few. I get comfortable from the fact that in Office we only have 11 loans over $10 million and probably 18 between five and 10. So we're pretty granular. We've worked on our exposure somewhat over the course of the last year. And, you know, we're pretty thin on central business district. I think we have just 73 million there. I have Brian Carrop, our chief credit officer with us. Brian, do you want to add some other color?

Sure.

And thanks for your question.

We have two deals that are above $20 million. Both are performing well. Both have low LTVs, strong debt yields, strong DSCRs. One will mature as we saw in the slide number 18. Third quarter of $24, $22 million will mature. We're extending that loan for six months. We gave you the maturity ladder so you could see it with greater clarity. It emphasizes who we are and how we think about our portfolio. It emphasizes how we think about the granularity in our portfolio, how we break it out, how we stratify it, and how we think about our overall Office business. The slide is fairly complete. I'd be happy to answer any questions.

What is the nature of the extension?

They're looking at some property and so we have agreed. So we have a proactive approach with each one of our borrowers. In fact, Matt, we went out and did a physical inspection of each one of our office properties that will mature between 24 and 25. We wanted to better understand physical occupancy versus economic tenancy. In doing so, we meet with our clients and we say, what is the next step and what are your thoughts? With this borrower, they said our plan is to sell the property. We went to them and had the discussion about let's do a six-month extension so we can have an orderly exit.

Okay, that makes sense. You feel like there's any loss content you're well-preserved for that? Oh, absolutely. No, it's performing. Great. Well, I appreciate all the answers there in the color. Thank you. Thank you.

Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Okay. We have another question coming in. It comes from the line of Manuel Navas with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon. Good afternoon. A lot of my questions have been answered, but I just wanted to, I was wondering some of the rates of things. What was the marginal deposit rates for what came on? I'm going to ask about different loan yields as well.

Yeah, so the current, we have a number of different specials, like the current short-term 7-month CD special is 5.05 percent and then the money market special is 4.5 percent. If you blend the volume, the overall new volume rate on deposits coming in is right on 4.8 percent for new deposits

coming in. So that was 4.48 percent last quarter and it's coming down a little bit, right? You're able to price down a little bit?

Yeah, well, last quarter that CD special I mentioned would have been a 5.1, actually five and a quarter and now it's 5.05. Yeah, I don't, and I'm sorry if I said, the overall blended rate should be down from last quarter. That's, I meant to say this quarter is 4.8 percent if I think about that, but it should be down from last quarter, not up.

And then new loan yields, you had strong equipment finance growth. Yeah. Remind me the yields there and indirect autos?

Yeah, indirect autos in the high seven, that's the net of the dealer reserve and the, hang on, let me get it for you. The equipment finance I think was right around 8 percent for the quarter.

And I think you said earlier commercial is roughly around 8 percent in general?

Yeah, commercial is a little bit higher, a little bit lower than the low eight. The equipment finance is 7.98, so yeah, 8 percent and indirect 7.6 percent in the amount of yields for the quarter. So indirect, for example, that's 7.6 percent for the quarter, 110 million came on at 7.6, 109 million rolled off at 5.24. So just the way you like it.

Okay, nice. I was going to ask a question about better OPEX. I think you called out a little bit of a hospitalization expense, didn't kind of improve link order and is that just kind of bounce back up a little bit?

Yeah. Yeah, that's fair to say. We don't get too hopeful when hospitalizations light for a given quarter because it bounces around so much. Just based on our experience, we self-insure, we talked about this before, we lay off, we have a reinsurance for a layer of, we reinsure a layer of costs once it gets to a certain level. But if we have good experience in a given quarter, the hospitalization expense is low, but it does bounce around.

Okay, so staying as previously expected. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you,

Ben. Okay, next question comes from the line of Frank Chiraldi with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Good afternoon. Just in terms of, you guys talked obviously about the tapering the CD rates here and seems like your commentary was also that you're not, you know, high, you're not at the high end market, but you're still competitive. And just kind of curious what you're seeing so far is the idea that given the kind of loan growth expectations you laid out that, you know, you can be competitive enough on the deposit side to kind of grow the deposits in line with that and hold the loan to deposit ratio kind of flattish through the year. What's the link in there?

Yeah, I think that's right is, and we watch that daily, daily, every day in terms of what the flows in and out are. And it does impact how we think about consumer lending to start with, and whether we continue to meter it or not. And but the replacement yields and some of the portfolios like indirect auto, it's not where we started a year ago. And the team has done a great job getting our rates up there. Do you want to any commentary you want to provide in terms of the sparkling water of liquidity and how it might help us grow loans?

No, Mike, I think Frank, it sounds so simple when you say it, Frank, but that's exactly what we're

looking at. The existing portfolio is, has that, obviously, you know, in terms of deposit costs moving higher, is it just mostly new money at this point? Has the existing stuff sort of stabilized to a degree?

Jane, I have some thoughts, but why don't you lead us off?

Sure. We see, we still see money coming in. On any given special, we see about 50% new money and 50% of our existing book potentially repricing. And, you know, we've been pretty gracious about that, because we'd rather keep the deposits. And but we are seeing the rate of repricing slowing down. Six months ago, it was bad. Nine months ago, it felt horrible. Today, it feels like it's starting to normalize and repricing is really slowing down.

Is that helpful, Frank?

Yeah, yeah. And then just lastly, you know, just thinking about reserves loan levels, I mean, it seems like some of the smaller banks are trying to build reserves a bit here, just given where some of the bigger banks are on reserve coverage of the total book. And for you guys, just kind of curious how you think about that. I mean, just given that commercial is going to be the driver here, you know, what does that alone kind of say about the reserve to loan ratio? Should we, at the end of the day, just expect continued increase, modest increase in that, you know, quarter over quarter as you grow the commercial book?

Yeah, I mean, we obviously fund reserves and we have growth. And that's a key part and a component of building the reserve. And that's what's built it in the past. And Brian, what would you add to that? Just that we

have about 3.3 million in specific reserves from the acquisition. We have about 2.9 million in PCD reserves. So we did grow from 131 to 132 in our reserve ratio. We've got adequate reserves to support our business and potentially to support some growth.

Can I just add, I think our approach is very thorough at the bottoms-up approach. In other words, rather, there's just some thinking about it. I want to be clear about where you ask the question, you know. It's not like we say, well, let's do this for the ratio and then find a way to solve for that ratio. You know, anecdotally, you might hear bankers, like you mentioned, small banks talking about that and thinking that way. But ours is very thorough from the bottom-up. So if we say, hey, you know, the economic conditions are changing, that our quantitative reserve would be changing to reflect that. If we see GDP or employment factors changing and then some of the qualitative factors we look at, changes, you know, underwriting standards or staff, all the factors we look at, I think we made some changes this quarter, as well as long growth. Yeah, right. As well as long growth. So then we do all that work and they say, oh, it turns out that, you know, given the way the portfolio grew, it didn't grow that much, so the ratio is 1.32. Rather than saying, let's find a way to get it to 1.32. So anyway, I don't know if that helps or not, but that's kind of what we think about it.

Yeah, no, I guess I'm just thinking through, like, as you build what the reserves are in the commercial book, I guess, versus reserves on consumer book as a percentage of total loan. I don't know if you have that handy.

I don't, but we can get it back to you.

We've had our reserve higher than our peers, generally, and that's with, you know, a pretty good mix between probably a heavier consumer than commercial and almost 50-50. And really, that could switch to more of a -60-plus percent commercial just because that's where the spread is and that's where the customer relationships, the more robust cost fell and the fulsome depository is.

Okay. I appreciate all the color. Thanks. Thank you.

There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Mike Price, I'll turn the call back over to you.

Yeah. Hey, thank you, operator. And as always, we appreciate your engagement and interest in First Commonwealth. As we think about our 2024 strategic themes, we've shared these with you before and they really don't change that much from year to year. But we think about, you know, as an organization living our mission every day, that is to improve the financial lives of our neighbors and their businesses. We do that well. And then growing our business and we think we can improve our loan pricing, we can improve partner introductions in the regional teams, we can grow our C&I lending each year going forward, particularly given the team that we've got together. And then we also think a lot about getting better. So live the mission, grow, get better. And not just vaguely, but in every region, every line of business, every business support unit. And we're trying to become digital in every facet of our business. And so those, that's where our heads are at. Those of you who know us, we talk about these things and we expect to get better every year, even as we cross 10 billion. And we have a little wind taken out of our sales with Durbin this year. And just stay after it. And this is a fun business. We make a difference in the lives of our consumers and small business and our respective communities. And it's a great business to be in. Thank you.

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