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spk09: Good morning and welcome to FNS second quarter earnings call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be open for questions with instructions to follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Lisa Foxworthy-Parker, SVP, Investor, and External Relations. Please go ahead.
spk01: Great. Thanks, Operator, and welcome, everyone. Joining me today are Mike Nolan, Chief Executive Officer, and Tony Park, Chief Financial Officer. We look forward to addressing your questions following our prepared remarks, and we will have Chris Blunt, F&G's Chief Executive Officer, and Wendy Young, F&G's Chief Financial Officer, join us for the Q&A portion of today's call. Today's earnings call may include forward-looking statements and projections under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act which do not guarantee future events or performance. We do not undertake any duty to revise or update such statements to reflect new information, subsequent events, or changes in strategy. Please refer to our most recent quarterly and annual reports and other SEC filings for a discussion of the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied. This morning's discussion also includes non-GAAP financial measures that we believe may be meaningful to investors. Non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to GAAP where required in accordance with SEC rules within our earnings materials available on the company's website. Yesterday, we issued a press release, which is also available on our website. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for webcast replay at FNF.com. It will also be available through telephone replay beginning today at 3 p.m. Eastern Time through August 16, 2023. And now I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Mike Nolan.
spk06: Thank you, Lisa, and good morning. Overall, we have had another strong set of results at this mid-year mark as we continue to navigate a volatile and challenging environment. Starting with our title business, we delivered adjusted pre-tax earnings in our title segment of $302 million and an industry-leading adjusted pre-tax title margin of 15.8%. We are very pleased with this result, which reflects strong sequential margin improvement across our title-related businesses. This strong performance really demonstrates our approach to running the business, highlighting our ability to manage true economic cycles and react quickly to changing order volumes. It also demonstrates the expertise and discipline of our field managers and employees who are critical to our success and our ability to deliver these results. I'd like to thank all of our employees who have worked so diligently to build the field-driven business we have today and who consistently deliver an industry-leading performance quarter after quarter. Our performance this year is a direct result of the actions we took in the back half of 2022 when, in light of the steep decline in mortgage volumes, we reduced our field staff by 26% net of acquisitions, This positioned us well given the low inventories coming into 2023. In the first half of this year, we have continued to monitor expenses closely. So far, we've seen solid sequential growth with residential purchase open orders per day up in both Q1 and Q2, a typical seasonal pattern, and even holding strong in the month of July, which is not typical since orders usually crest heading into the back half of the year. We feel that the resiliency of residential purchase volumes, which have held up in a weak market and despite mortgage rates spiking to 7% at times, is a testament to the underlying demand for housing that exists in the country. Commercial volumes are still holding up well, which is positive and in line with our expectations. We have generated commercial revenue of $500 million in the first half, consistent with the first halves we saw from 2015 to 2020. Looking at sequential volumes more closely, daily purchase orders opened were up 12% over the first quarter of 2023 and up 2% for the month of July versus June. And refinance orders opened per day were up 4% over the first quarter of 2023 and down 2% for the month of July versus June. Our total commercial orders opened were 784 per day, flat for the second quarter versus the first quarter of 2023, and up 3% for the month of July versus June. Overall, total orders opened averaged 5,400 per day in the second quarter, with April at 5,300, May at 5,700, and June at 5,300. For the month of July, total orders opened were 5,300 per day in line with June. So far, 2023 has been encouraging as we have found our footing in a more typical seasonal pattern, albeit in a weak market, and with a cost structure that is aligned with this environment. From here, we remain cautious under the second half of the year, given continued higher rates and volatility. As always, we will manage to order volumes in a given environment. Beyond the near-term pressures, we remain bullish on the mid- to long-term fundamentals of the business. A clear benefit of our financial strength, scale, and profitability is our ability to invest in our business through cycles as we strive to further expand our competitive positioning in the industry. We continue to strategically build and expand our title business through acquisitions, recruiting talent, and enhancing our title capabilities. Our in-here platform is an area that we have been investing in recent years. This industry-leading end-to-end real estate experience platform is fully deployed across our residential business and integrated within our direct operations and is quickly gaining traction. In fact, over the past two years, we have had over 1.4 million users on the InHere platform, comprised of 1.2 million consumer users and 200,000 real estate professionals. and consumer engagement continues to be between 65% to 70%, a strong success rate. In the first six months of 2023 alone, our real estate agent and transaction coordinator users have logged over 1 million sessions, and nearly 90% were active in the last 30 days. We believe this strong adoption demonstrates the value customers are receiving from the InHear platform. and we expect to continue to add functionality and content targeted at further enhancing the transaction experience of agents, transaction coordinators, and consumers, partnering to help real estate professionals grow their businesses, and creating both market growth and efficiency opportunities for F&F over the near and long term. Turning to our F&G business, it has been over three years now since the 2020 merger, and we are pleased with F&G's performance, which has exceeded our expectations. F&G has successfully transformed its business from essentially being a model line at the time of acquisition to now having a robust new business platform that is well diversified by product and channel and a profitable enforced book of business that is scaled considerably. F&G has profitably grown its assets under management from $25 billion at the 2020 merger to a record $46 billion at June 30th. And the business is well-positioned to both expand its spread-based earnings and diversify through fee-based earnings from its flow reinsurance and owned distribution strategies, which will ultimately drive margin expansion and improved returns. With that, let me now turn the call over to Tony Park, to review FNS second quarter financial highlights.
spk04: Thank you, Mike. Starting with our consolidated results, we generated $3.1 billion in total revenue in the second quarter. Net earnings were $219 million, including net recognized losses of $16 million. versus net earnings of $537 million, including $676 million of net recognized losses in the second quarter of 2022. The title segment contributed net earnings of $165 million, the F&G segment contributed $110 million, and the corporate segment had a net loss of $56 million. The net recognized gains and losses in each period are primarily due to mark-to-market accounting treatment of equity and preferred stock securities, whether the securities were disposed of in the quarter or continue to be held in our investment portfolio. Excluding net recognized gains and losses, our total revenue was $3.1 billion as compared with $3.3 billion in the second quarter of 2022. Adjusted net earnings from continuing operations was $274 million, or $1.01 per diluted share, compared with $557 million, or $2 per share for the second quarter of 2022. The title segment contributed $226 million. The F&G segment contributed $67 million. And the corporate segment had an adjusted net loss of $19 million. Turning to Q2 financial highlights specific to the title segment. Our title segment generated $1.9 billion in total revenue in the second quarter, excluding net recognized losses of $50 million, compared with $2.8 billion in the second quarter of 2022. Direct premiums decreased by 37% versus the second quarter of 2022. Agency premiums decreased by 41%. And escrow, title-related, and other fees decreased by 18% versus the prior year. Personnel costs decreased by 20%, and other operating expenses decreased by 19%. All in, the title business generated adjusted pre-tax title earnings of $302 million and a 15.8% adjusted pre-tax title margin for the quarter versus 18.9% in the prior year quarter. Our title and corporate investment portfolio totaled $5 billion at June 30. Invested assets included $2 billion of fixed maturity and preferred securities, having an average duration of three years and an average rating of A2, as well as $600 million of equity securities, $1 billion of short-term and other investments, and $1.4 billion of cash. Interest and investment income in the title and corporate segments of $93 million increased $55 million as compared with the prior year quarter, primarily due to higher income from our 1031 exchange business and cash and short-term investments. Given the higher rate environment, we would anticipate increased investment income through reinvestment of our three-year duration fixed income portfolio maturities. For the remainder of 2023, we expect quarterly interest and investment income to moderate in the $90 million range, with stabilizing 1031 exchange balances and spreads and level cash and short-term investment balances. Our title claims paid of $67 million were $11 million higher than our provision of $56 million for the second quarter. The CARIG reserve for title claim losses is approximately $77 million or 4.5% above the actuary central estimate. We continue to provide for title claims at 4.5% of total title premiums. Next, turning to Q2 financial highlights specific to the F&G segment. F&G hosted its earnings call earlier this morning and provided a thorough update. so I will focus on the key highlights of its quarterly performance. F&G reported gross sales of $3 billion in the second quarter, a 3% decrease over the prior year quarter. This reflects higher retail channel sales offset by slightly lower sales to institutional markets, which are expected to be lumpier and more opportunistic in nature. F&G's net sales retained were $2.2 billion in the second quarter. a decrease of 12% from the prior year quarter, reflecting flow reinsurance, which increased from 50% to 75% of MIGA sales in September of 2022. As a reminder, F&G utilizes flow reinsurance, which provides a lower capital requirement on seeded new business, while allocating capital to the highest returning retained business. This enhances cash flow, provides fee-based earnings, and is accretive to F&G's returns. F&G's record assets under management were $46.3 billion as of June 30. Adjusted net earnings for the F&G segment were $67 million in the second quarter. This includes bond prepay income that contributed $4 million, or two cents per share, and was offset by alternative investment returns below our long-term expectations by $47 million, or 17 cents per share. Let me wrap up with a few thoughts on capital and liquidity. We remain focused on ensuring a balanced capital allocation strategy as we navigate the current environment. We ended the quarter with $885 million in cash and short-term liquid investments at the holding company level. FNF's consolidated debt to capitalization ratio, excluding AOCI, was 28.3% as of June 30. This is in line with our long-term target range of 20 to 30%, and we expect that our balance sheet will naturally delever as a result of growth in shareholders' equity, excluding AOCI. Going forward, our consolidated annual interest expense on debt outstanding is approximately $175 million, comprised of approximately $80 million for F&F's holding company debt and $95 million for F&G segment debt. Following our record level of share repurchases in 2021 and 2022, at a total combined cost of $1 billion, We have prudently moderated our repurchase volume in the first half of this year to preserve financial flexibility as we navigate the challenging market. Therefore, there were no share repurchases in the second quarter. We continue to view our current annual common dividend of approximately $500 million as sustainable. During the second quarter, we paid common dividends of 45 cents per share for a total of $121 million. The dividend is reviewed quarterly and expected to increase over time subject to Board of Director approval. This concludes our prepared remarks, and let me now turn the call back to our operator for questions.
spk02: Thank you.
spk09: Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star and 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Ladies and gentlemen, one moment please while we poll for questions.
spk02: Our first question comes from the line of Bose George
spk09: with KBW. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hey, guys. Good morning. Hey, Mike, I know you gave the July order trends. I'm curious if you have any color on just what's happening in August, you know, just with the moving rates. Was there any early read on that?
spk06: Yeah, I think it's too early to look at August. We really just have, you know, the first week, which was a shortened week, and I just don't think looking at that, you know, small data set would provide the right direction. But I think the fact that orders have held up as well in July I think is, again, a testament to the strength of the market. And, you know, if you look through as we went through the quarter, even when rates spiked at different points, the order counts held up very well.
spk03: Okay, that's helpful. Thanks. And then actually switching over to F&G, I think in the past you've talked about sort of reinsuring, you know, blocks over there. Is that, you know, still a possibility? And also the FG management agreement at Blackstone, I think now has been extended through 2029. Just a comment about sort of the benefits of that, whether, you know, that has any impact on a, you know, if there's a block transaction, does the Blackstone agreement impact that in any way?
spk05: Sure, this is Chris. So yeah, that is always an option that remains for us to reinsure out a block as a means of freeing up capital. So nothing's changed there. The Blackstone Agreement, yeah, that's a big net positive. So it's order of magnitude, almost a 25% reduction in fees going forward on assets over $40 billion. And that fee agreement on the $40 billion runs off over time, so it's quite impactful for us. It does influence block deals, but we know there are Blackstone-affiliated reinsurers and folks that would probably be excited to have Blackstone manage the money. So it's probably a bit of a constraint on doing a really big block transaction, but it doesn't rule it out.
spk03: Okay, great.
spk02: Thank you. Thanks. Thank you.
spk09: Our next question comes from the line of Soham Bosley with BTIG. Please go ahead.
spk00: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Morning. Morning. So the first one is just on FNG, and this is sort of a two-parter. The first one just being, wanted to get your updated thoughts on whether you think FG continues to strategically fit within the FNF fold or maybe as a standalone company. And then second, considering that there was the AEL transaction, have there been any discussions with the board around potential options that you're considering beyond just the tax-free spin that you've talked about before?
spk04: Yeah, thanks for the question. This is Tony. Maybe I'll start, and I know Mike and Chris might want to weigh in. But I would say from the board's perspective, they couldn't be more pleased about the performance of F&G and really how it validates, if you will, our investment thesis that we had when we made the acquisition, which is when interest rates go up, F&G will add – add earnings that are consistent and stable, as you've seen, and grow over time as rates are going up and maybe the title insurance market comes down a little bit. And that's exactly what we've seen. It's fair to say that our share price has not performed as we would have hoped. kind of during the ownership of this, although some of that may be changing really over the course of at least the last 90 days. But we believe regardless we're creating real value and highlighted by the AEL deal, but we feel like value is being created. F&G actually throws off a lot of cash. Currently we're reinvesting that cash in sales growth because we're getting great returns from that and continuing to build value in our investment. But keep in mind, you could really realize that cash flow. And I think Wendy said something like $800 million annually is being thrown off from the block currently, and that just grows over time. But we could realize that value at any time if we wanted to constrain sales. And at this point, that's not what we want to do. We want to continue to create value in that business, and that's what we're doing. In terms of optionality, we've talked about it before. We could hold. We could spend now. We could spend later in a tax-free manner. We could sell. We could merge it with a company. We could reinsure a block. But at this point, as I mentioned earlier, the board's very pleased. with the performance and the value that we're creating, and actually we're getting cash flow through the dividend that F&G's paying. So it's been a real positive.
spk00: Okay. Great, yeah. And then I guess on title, Tony, if I sort of take a look at your residential business this quarter, the 230,000 orders and maybe just run rate that, you know, on an annualized basis, you get to somewhere around nine, nine 50 on orders and you did a 15, eight margin this quarter. So, I mean, assuming that commercial sort of troughs this year, it seems like opens are better as well. So that's what it's suggesting. You know, is there any reason that margins next year can't get to sort of the mid to high 15s if we sort of get some recovery and on the resi side, obviously understanding there's going to be quarterly variances here.
spk06: This is Mike. I would say if we get a better revenue environment in 24, in a more normalized level, let's say that the 15 to 20 that we've talked about in the past is certainly what we'd expect. We've done a lot of work on the expense side, and I think we're well prepared to take advantage of an improving market. I think the second quarter is a good example of that. you know, with the margin lift we got off the first quarter of 580 basis points, it was really just, you know, we got a commercial market that was good in the second quarter, and then we took advantage of an improving residential environment sequentially, and we had the expense discipline to do that. So as we go into 24, we'll be well prepared on the expense side, and it'll really be about – you know, how well, well, two things, one, commercial holding up and how well the residential market rebounds. You know, on this point, I was looking at, you know, when the last time rates were this high, we got 7% interest rates, and that was back in 2001. And in 2000, rates were 8%. And those were two of the weakest transactional markets I kind of remember in my career. But then rates came down to 6 in 2002 and kind of stayed there, around the sixth number for the next three or four years. And the market really grew tremendously, both in terms of refinance and resale activity. I'm not saying that will happen necessarily, but if we get a lowering interest rate environment as we move forward over the next, you know, 12 to whatever months, I think the opportunity for us is very strong.
spk02: Great. Thanks a lot, guys. Thanks.
spk09: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Campbell with Stephens, Inc. Please go ahead.
spk08: Hey, guys. Good morning. Congrats on a great quarter.
spk02: Thanks, John.
spk08: Sure. On the title field staff, I mean, I think 2Q marks the first sequential increase you guys have seen maybe since 3Q of 21. This is probably a pretty obvious question or an obvious observation, but You know, what you guys are seeing in the pipeline, and just given how much volumes have dropped, I think it's a pretty clear signal. But are you guys feeling like you bottomed out here? Is that a pretty fair assessment?
spk06: John, I missed the very beginning of your question. Could you repeat it, please? I'm sorry.
spk08: Yeah, no problem. On the title field staff, you know, 2Q is the first time. Yes.
spk06: Yeah, so I think, you know, as we talked about in the script that, you know, we kind of took 26% out last year. We had some modest reductions in the first half. And we were, you know, watching staffing very closely and really looking at that in the lens of where we're going to get the sequential improvement in residential, which we absolutely got, which was great. And Given the rates, I think kind of a welcome development. I think as we go into the back half of the year, we'll look at staffing very closely related to the order volumes. We would expect to get sequential declines in particularly our purchase open orders, just like we have in just about every other year. And we may need to make some adjustments accordingly and really want to be in a good position as we go into 2024 to deal with, which is typically, you know, a seasonally tough first quarter, and then really have the company in a great position to take advantage of improving order volumes.
spk08: Okay, makes sense. And then relating to the last question, I mean, you know, year to year, a lot can change. So it's hard for you guys to really pinpoint title pre-dex margins. But, you know, quarter to quarter, you get a little bit more visibility. You guys are, you know, sitting here halfway through the quarter now. You've got a book of business that is going to give you some insights. kind of on what remains. But my question here is, you know, if you assume just kind of a modest sequential drop in revenues into 3Q, you guys just posted a 15.8% title pre-tax margin, you know, well ahead of us this quarter. Do you think you can get near that mark, assuming just a modest drop of revenues into 3Q?
spk06: Yeah, I think there's a couple of things that go into it. If it's a very modest drop in revenue, we should, again, have very good margins. I think the expenses, as I said before, are in a good spot. What can impact margin and what I'd still be a little bit cautious about is sometimes the mix of agency and direct in the revenue side can make a difference in margin. As you know, there's a pretty significant difference between agency gross margins and direct gross margins. So that can clip your margins, even if you have the same gross revenue. Commercial, you know, still needs to come through, I think, as we've been expecting it to. And, you know, there's always some concern around that or caution around that, just given the volatility. You know, we had the 10 banks, regional banks that got downgraded this week. Does that impact commercial as we move through the back half of the year rate? But if other things being equal, if revenue is holding up, I would expect margins to be pretty good in the third quarter. As you get to the fourth, a little bit more seasonal fall off on the residential side, and we'll just have to see where we're at as we kind of get through the back end of this quarter.
spk08: Okay, that's helpful. And then one last one here on escrow and other within title, we've always kind of modeled that near the direction of direct premium revenues. It looks like that dropped about half the rate of direct this quarter. I mean, I know you've got title point in the mix now, so maybe if you can help unpack that and maybe just kind of rule of thumb how to think about modeling that relative direct at least over the next couple quarters.
spk04: Yeah, John, this is Tony. That's a valid point. Certainly part of That line item, you should model exactly as direct title premiums would change. That's really our escrow fees and, to some extent, some other fees that go in there. But there are some other businesses, and probably the best spot to find those would be in our footnotes to our Qs and Ks, where you can see that broken out. But we have businesses like loan care, which is our loan subservicing business, and home warranty. And to your point, TitlePoint and a couple others, although TitlePoint ought to trend fairly closely, I think, with the title business overall. But we did have some pretty strong performance from both loan care and home warranty in the second quarter, and that's probably why there's a bit of a disconnect in terms of the trajectory or the change in that line item relative to direct premiums.
spk08: Okay, thanks. And then just the margin on those two that you just call out, loan care and home warranty, how does that compare roughly to the kind of blended margin?
spk04: It really depends on the performance. I mean, home warranty can be a single-digit performer at times and all the way up to, you know, in a strong quarter, maybe even 15%. But, you know, generally lower than what we would generate in the title business. And then loan care is another one of those where, you know, you could have a 5% performance in a tough quarter. But wouldn't you say, Mike, it's more of a 12% to 15% performer, loan care?
spk06: Over a longer time horizon. But, yeah, you can have periods where it can get single digits. Yeah. But we would expect it to be, I think, over a longer horizon, you know, a 10 to – 13%, 14% margin producer.
spk08: Thanks for the call, guys.
spk02: Thanks.
spk09: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star and 1. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truish Securities. Please go ahead.
spk10: Yeah, thank you very much. Good morning. Good morning. Tony, did you give the year-over-year for July for commercial and purchase daily orders? I think you gave the sequential, but I'm sort of curious if it was the year-over-year as well.
spk06: Yeah, Mark, it's Mike. So we opened in the second quarter for commercial per day, 784, and that was down 22%. from the second quarter of 22, which was 1,003.
spk10: And then I was thinking, you gave July on a sequential basis, but if you gave it year over year.
spk06: Oh, yeah. July over June was up. July over July. Do you have that? Oh, July over last year's July? Yeah. Let me find it. We didn't actually give that. We gave July over this year's June. July over last year's June mark was down 13%.
spk10: So July over July was down 13%.
spk06: So the comps get better, obviously, as the, you know, we had commercial fall off in the back half of last year, as you remember. So, you know, the comps improved in July.
spk10: Okay. Did the residential purchase July over July?
spk02: I do. It was down 6%. Okay.
spk10: And then, based on what you see in the backlog in the commercial, any commentary about revenue per order?
spk02: I think, you know, nothing real specific.
spk06: I think it probably will stay in the range that we've seen. You know, I think our national commercial fee has been running in the 13,000 plus range. I would anticipate, you know, that to stay in that range, certainly off the highs of 22, but, you know, actually a very good number when you look at prior years to 22. And then the total commercial fees, I think, running around $9,300 or $9,500.
spk04: $9,500 this quarter.
spk06: And again, I would say, you know, that $9,000 plus range, we can continue to see that as we move to the back half.
spk02: Okay, great. Thank you. Thanks.
spk09: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Tan. with Dowling and Partners. Please go ahead.
spk07: Thanks. Good morning. Good morning. Tony, what is the remaining dividend capacity from the regulated entities and what is the back half expectation for capacity from the unregulated?
spk04: From the regulated, we have been taking some dividends of non-cash dividends. We had some common stock in there that we've been moving out, which was non-cash. So in terms of cash, full year is probably, from the regulated, is somewhere around $400 million. And we've already taken... Let me look. We've already taken about 220 of that, so maybe 180 in the balance. In terms of the unregulated, that's a good question because that would have me predicting what we're going to do real time since that's not predetermined. That's cash and earnings that we're actually going to generate, and so that one's harder harder to estimate, and I would have to give guidance on that front. So maybe a broad overall commentary would be landing at year-end absent share buybacks. And again, I'm not suggesting that's where we are. But if we didn't do any share buybacks, I think we end the year at somewhere around $1 billion in holdco cash.
spk07: Okay, and then with respect to buyback, obviously the environment's uncertain, but it's been uncertain for a while now. Is part of the moderation in the first half having to do with these non-cash dividends? You do continue to generate strong cash flow. The holding company is in a great position. The overall company is in a good financial position. So as we think about maybe some of these non-cash dividends coming out and being replaced by cash dividend flow again next year, Is that what helps restore that along with the incremental economic data points we get along the way? Or is it really you're holding back in this kind of hire for longer environment?
spk04: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a combination, although I don't think the non-cash dividends are really impacting the buyback decision at all. Those aren't really material. I just thought I would throw that out there. I think just the market overall and not knowing exactly where we land. I mean, I think we've been pleased with the market given where rates have gone. But we didn't know that going into it. And so we've been fairly conservative. I think we like to preserve the financial flexibility. We do have a $500 million commitment. on the common dividend. And so we like to be conservative in terms of holdco cash. But certainly if we see the market continue to stay strong and improve as we get into next year, you're right, we generate a lot of cash. And F&G is generating cash now, and I could foresee F&G even paying a bigger dividend to us. And so there could be a lot more cash as we look to next year and a lot more opportunity to raise the dividend or buy back stock or make acquisitions or whatever it might be.
spk07: Okay. So I think throughout the call today, you've mentioned wanting to be well-positioned for 24. Am I hearing you correctly that it seems like buyback is going to be less of an emphasis even for the remainder of the year, and it's really getting very firm footing going into 24, and maybe then we see an acceleration once again? All else held equal.
spk04: Yeah, I think that's certainly a possibility. I don't know if I'm going to probability yet because it's going to be a board decision, and they revisit that. every quarter and we don't pre-announce that but if i yeah if if i were uh guessing i would say uh much more likely to be uh be more aggressive on the buyback front in 24 than than the balance of 23. all right thanks thank you ladies and gentlemen this will conclude our question and answer session
spk09: I will now turn the conference back over to CEO Mike Nolan for closing remarks.
spk06: Thank you. We are proud of our strong performance in the first half of the year despite continued uncertainty and volatility in the current macro environment. F&F is well positioned to navigate the current market cycle and continues to build and expand our title business for the long term. Likewise, F&G's profitable growth demonstrates its strong momentum with many opportunities ahead to further expand the business, drive margin expansion, and improve returns. Thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate your interest in F&F and look forward to updating you on our third quarter earnings call.
spk09: Thank you for attending today's presentation and the conference call has concluded. You may now disconnect your lines.
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