Forestar Group Inc Common Stock

Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call

7/20/2023

spk02: Good afternoon and welcome to Four Star's third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Katie Smith, Director of Finance and Investor Relations for Four Star.
spk01: Thank you, Paul. Good afternoon and welcome to the call to discuss Four Star's third quarter results. Thank you for joining us. Before we get started, today's call includes forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although Four Star believes any such statements are based on reasonable assumptions, there is no assurance that actual outcomes will not be materially different. All forward-looking statements are based upon information available to Four Star on the date of this conference call. and we do not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements publicly. Additional information about factors that could lead to material changes in performance is contained in Four Star's annual report on Form 10-K and its most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q, both of which are filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Our earnings release is on our website at investor.fourstar.com, and we plan to file our 10-Q tomorrow. After this call, we will post an updated investor presentation to our investor relations site under events and presentations for your reference. Now I will turn the call over to Dan Bartok, our CEO.
spk05: Thanks, Katie. Good afternoon, everyone. As always, we appreciate your interest in Four Star and taking the time to discuss our third quarter results. In addition to Katie, I'm joined on the call today by Jim Allen, our Chief Financial Officer, and Mark Walker, our Chief Operating Officer. Our solid third quarter results were driven by stronger market conditions. Our strategy of continuing to develop lots during the market transition positioned us well to capitalize on the increased demand for finished lots from builders. Our third quarter net income increased 18% from the prior year quarter to $46.8 million, or $0.93 per diluted share. Pre-tax income increased 18% to $62.4 million, and our pre-tax profit margin was 16.9%. Consolidated revenues increased 20% to $368.9 million, while lot deliveries increased 10% to 3,812 lots. We evaluate each project and local market conditions to determine the appropriate pricing and sales pace to maximize returns. We have demonstrated that our unique and flexible business model can quickly pivot based on changing home builder demand and market conditions. None of that can happen without an incredible team. Their dedication, passion, and expertise allow us to continue putting our long-term value creation goals at the center of every decision we make. Thank you to all of our value team members for your efforts. Jim will now discuss our third quarter financial results in more detail.
spk08: Thank you, Dan. In the third quarter, net income increased 18% to $46.8 million or $0.93 per diluted share compared to $39.7 million or $0.80 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. Consolidated revenues for the quarter increased 20%. to $368.9 million compared to $308.5 million in the prior year quarter. The current quarter included $10.3 million in revenue from deferred development projects and $23.8 million in track sales and other revenue. Lots sold in our third fiscal quarter increased 10% to 3,812 lots with an average sales price of $87,700. We expect continued quarterly fluctuations in our average sales price based on the geographic location and lot size mix of our deliveries. Our pre-tax income increased 18% to $62.4 million compared to $52.7 million in the third quarter of last year, and our pre-tax profit margin this quarter was 16.9% compared to 17.1% in the prior year quarter. Our gross profit margin this quarter was 23%, up 450 basis points sequentially and down 100 basis points from a year ago. In the third quarter, SG&A expense was $26.4 million. As a percentage of revenue, SG&A expense improved 60 basis points to 7.2% from 7.8% in the prior year quarter. We will continue to focus on controlling our SG&A costs while ensuring that our infrastructure supports our business. Mark.
spk06: As for current market conditions, the supply of new and existing homes at affordable price points remains limited, and demographics supporting housing demand remain favorable, despite higher mortgage rates and inflationary pressures. Builder incentives have helped bridge the affordability gap for many homebuyers, and low resale supply is a driver of buyers choosing new construction. Buyers are increasing housing starts, and many are focused on buying finished lots. Four Star is a key supplier to many home builders and is uniquely positioned to take advantage of the shortage of finished lots for the home building industry. During the third quarter, we sold lots to 16 customers, which was a new quarterly high. The supply of vacant developed lots, particularly at affordable price points, continues to be constrained across our footprint. Four Star is focused on developing lots for homes at affordable price points demonstrated by our average sales price of roughly $88,000. While contractor availability and materials are still challenging to procure in certain markets, the availability continues to improve. The cost to develop a residential lot has not declined, and we currently do not expect development costs to decrease given the strengthening demand from builders in the overall inflationary environment. We will continue to be proactive and work with our trade partners to control development costs. Home builders are returning to the land market to secure lots for future growth, and home prices have generally stabilized. As a result, land prices have not fallen, as many expected at the beginning of this year. However, land sellers have been adjusting back to normal contract terms, resulting in more customary due diligence timelines and takedown structures. Jim.
spk08: DR Horton is our largest and most important customer. However, we look to continue expanding our relationships with other home builders and still have an intermediate term goal of selling 30% of our lots to customers other than DR Horton. 16% of our third quarter deliveries, or 625 lots, were sold to other customers, which includes 105 lots that were sold to a lot banker who expects to sell those lots to DR Horton at a future date. 13% of our deliveries in the prior year quarter, or 435 lots, were sold to third-party customers. In addition to growing by expanding our customer base, we have significant runway to grow our market share within D.R. Horton. Our mutually stated goal is for one out of every three homes that D.R. Horton sells to be built on a lot developed by Four Star. Katie?
spk01: Four Star's underwriting criteria for new development projects includes a minimum 15% pre-tax return on average inventory and a return of the initial cash investment within 36 months. During the third quarter, we invested approximately $215 million in land and land development, of which $190 million was for land development and $25 million was for land. While our investments this quarter were down compared to the prior year quarter, they were up 17% sequentially. We expect our investments in land acquisition and development to increase in the coming quarters. Our lot position at June 30th was 73,000 lots, of which 53,700 lots are owned and 19,300 lots are controlled through purchase contracts. The majority of our own lots were placed under contract to purchase from land sellers before 2021, resulting in an attractive cost basis. At quarter end, we have 7,800 finished lots on hand. We generally expect to maintain a higher inventory of finished lots to meet builder demand. When we agree to lot takedown schedules, there's typically a price escalator built in to compensate us for carrying the assets. we remain intensely focused on managing our development and phases as we strive to deliver finished lots at a pace that matches market demand consistent with our emphasis on capital efficiency. We are continuing to target a three to four year owned inventory of land and lots. 28% of our own lots are under contract to sell representing approximately $1.4 billion of future revenue. These contracts have $124 million of hard earnest money deposits associated with them. Another 31% of our own lots are subject to a right of first offer to Daryl Horton based on executed purchase and sale agreements. Jim?
spk08: We are retaining significant liquidity and using modest leverage to keep our balance sheet strong while maintaining our disciplined approach when investing capital. We ended the quarter with approximately $780 million of liquidity including an unrestricted cash balance of $400 million and $380 million of available capacity on our undrawn revolving credit facility. Total debt at June 30th was $707 million, with no senior note maturities until fiscal 2026. And our net debt to capital ratio was 19.1%, down from 32.8% in the prior year period. We ended the quarter with $1.3 billion of stockholders' equity, and our book value per share increased to $25.96, up 13% from a year ago. According to the National Association of Home Builders, project-level land acquisition and development loans continue to become more expensive, which directly impacts the majority of our competitors. Four Star's capital structure is one of our biggest competitive advantages, and it sets us apart from other land developers. Other developers generally use project-level development loans, which are typically more restrictive, have floating rates, and create administrative complexity, particularly in a rising-rate environment. Our bonds provide us with operational flexibility and fixed-cost debt, while our strong liquidity allows us to take advantage of attractive opportunities when they arise. Dan, I will hand it back to you for closing remarks.
spk05: Thanks, Jim. I'm pleased with the Four Star team's execution during our third fiscal quarter. They delivered growth and strong profitability, allowing Four Star to maintain double-digit returns. I'm even more pleased with how well we are positioned and the strength of our balance sheet. Our strong balance sheet and ample liquidity give us the flexibility to invest in land opportunities that will drive our future growth and maintain an appropriate level of finished lots and inventory to meet builder demands. We are the market leader in a highly fragmented and undercapitalized industry, and we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of the strong demand for finished lots by homebuilders. We will continue to aggregate significant market share over the next few years while maintaining our disciplined approach when investing capital to enhance the long-term value of Four Star. Builder incentives have been impactful in bridging the affordability gap for buyers. Forecasts now expect 2023 U.S. single-family housing starts to decline approximately 10% to 20% compared to 2022, an improvement from a decline between 15% and 30% forecasted just three months ago. While new home starts and sales have been stronger than expected in 2023, mortgage rates are back to peak levels reached in late 2022. which could impact demand as buyers adjust. We cannot control the macroeconomic backdrop or directly influence the demand for housing. However, we can and will stay focused on strengthening our platform and increasing operational efficiencies to drive future growth. We are closely monitoring each market, sub-market, and project as we strive to balance pace and price to maximize returns. Our goals have not changed. We still intend to double our market share to 5% over the intermediate term. Looking forward, we believe that DR Horton and many other home builders will continue to shift their focus towards buying finished lots from third-party developers instead of self-developing. We believe our market share gains will accelerate as financing remains expensive and less available for the majority of our competitors. We have a track record of solid execution and are focused on the long-term opportunity before us. As appropriate, we will utilize our platform and strong balance sheet to capitalize on opportunities that build shareholder value. With our experienced team that has successfully managed through prior market cycles, we are well-equipped to navigate this dynamic environment while investing widely for our future growth and further strengthening our industry-leading position. Paul, at this time, we'll open up the line for questions.
spk02: Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Once again, please press star 1 if you wish to enter the Q&A queue at this time. And please hold while we poll for questions. And the first question today is coming from Truman Patterson from Wolf Research. Truman, your line is live.
spk07: Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. First, your largest customer just suggested that they're positioning for growing potentially kind of 10% in 2024. You're all's net debt to total capital ratio really healthy at 19%. I'm just trying to understand where that metric might need to go if you all are targeting to potentially support that type of growth as well.
spk05: Well, I think our capital structure as it sits today, we are well positioned to meet that growth without additional capital. I think as we said before, we believe we can actually grow our volume at about a 20% annual rate without raising additional capital, although it would require potentially leveraging some additional debt when appropriate.
spk07: Gotcha. Fair enough. So maybe that net debt to total cap to hit a 20% growth rate might creep up to the 30%, maybe 40% range. Your lot ASP, it was up about 3.5% both year over year and quarter over quarter. And I realize that there's a lot that can impact that metric geographically, lot size, et cetera. I'm just trying to understand how kind of core finished lot pricing has been trending recently given the strong rebound in demand, but builders bumping up incentives to move some of the homes.
spk08: Well, obviously, you can't draw too many conclusions on prices from our ASP. There's so much impact from mix, right, in there, so due to lot sizes and geography. So that's always going to be changing. But I think as far as pricing goes, per front foot basis, I mean, we really haven't seen reductions in pricing. So we've seen pricing hold consistent, probably reflected more in our margins than our ASP.
spk07: Gotcha. Fair enough. Thank you for your time. Thanks, Truman.
spk02: Thank you. The next question is coming from Carl Reichart from BTIG. Carl, your line is live.
spk04: Thanks, everybody. I did want to follow up, I think, on part of what Truman was asking, really on margin variability in the the $1.4 billion you've got in backlog. As you look out the next few quarters, or maybe even just the full year of 24, are you expecting the gross margin to be somewhat less variable than it has been, either due to mix or just strength in conditions? And do you think you've reached in the past a sort of a peak gross margin that you could achieve in the future, or are you expected to go above your last prior peak?
spk05: That's a tough one. We always talk about returns more than margins. Again, it's really about maintaining the appropriate pace and meeting the builder's demands. What's really been interesting over the last several quarters is really, as we've dialed in on a project-by-project basis, the same as the builders do. There's been some cases where we've had to make price adjustments and reduce margins. There's also been occasions where we've been able to increase price and increase margins. I think it's going to be lumpy. Hopefully, we haven't peaked. Hopefully, there's some better margins ahead. Development costs don't look to be coming down. Land costs don't look to be coming down. I think there's going to be pricing pressure. We're just going to have to see how that plays out on a project-by-project basis.
spk04: Thanks, Dan. Can you talk a little bit about any regional trends really over the last two quarters, I think, Obviously, in 22, we had relative strength in the southeast, Florida, big for you, Carolinas, big for you, Texas, with a lot of weakness in parts of the west. Does that begin to reverse at all in terms of builder demand for lots in 23? Thanks.
spk05: I would say that Phoenix and Denver, two of our markets where we were seeing kind of late to come back to the market, have both rebounded nicely, and we're definitely seeing demand for lots in those markets return significantly. as we had hoped for. We didn't sell a lot during the last several quarters in those markets because of really lack of demand and lack of on-starts. I think it really goes back to the builders' inventories. Where were they long? Where did they need to kind of right-size their inventories? And it seems like their starts paces have leveled off and they're kind of on a level and increasing basis again. So hopefully that gives us the opportunity to continue to be strategic in each of the markets.
spk04: Great. Thanks very much, Dan. I appreciate it.
spk05: Thanks, Carl.
spk02: Thank you. The next question is coming from Anthony Petinari from Citigroup. Anthony, your line is live.
spk00: Hi. This is Asher Sonnen on for Anthony. Thanks for taking my question. You know, just thinking back to 2022, you saw builder demand kind of pull back on the surge in interest rates, and then obviously housing demand fell. But I was wondering just sort of over the course of this quarter and maybe quarter to date, you know, how responsive has, like, builder interest and what's been – Kind of relative to mortgage rates, you know, as mortgage rates have risen over the past couple of months, have you seen a corresponding cooling of inbound builder demand? And then, you know, even more finally, when mortgage rates start to level off for a couple of weeks, do you see builder interest kind of pick up?
spk06: Yeah, we're seeing the builder's appetite increase, especially for finished lots. I mean, they're all looking for the option lots. They're all looking for finished lots. And so today we're seeing the appetite increase across the board for the builders. We're not just our number one customer with DR Horton, but also with the other builder clients that we have. So we're receiving more calls. So we have not seen a fall off. Actually, we've seen the opposite. We've seen an increase in demand.
spk00: Okay. No, that's helpful. And then I guess I think in your prepared remarks, you mentioned that your lots are kind of an attractive cost basis. So I was wondering if you're able to kind of size that roughly at all. I think maybe in terms of timing, like how long before you move through that land, and if so, once that happens, is there kind of a meaningful step down in margin kind of baked in?
spk06: Typically, we underwrite to a 12-month development time frame. Again, it goes to market to market, project by project. It's been interesting in terms of if we elongate that timeline, we've been able to hold some pricing power just because the demand for finished lots has been there. We're kind of riding those tailwinds at the moment, but Again, we look at the market every time we price lots. We don't price our lots up front, so that's been helpful for us. If we see something in the first, let's say, four months or so of development that is a concern, we can consider that when we're pricing our lots. We can't always get back to pricing power to offset the cost increases, but as Dan said, we're not focused primarily on margin, but protecting our return, maximizing our returns. Fair enough. Thank you. That's super helpful. I'll turn it over.
spk02: Thank you. And once again, if you have any questions, please press star 1, that's star 1, to enter the Q&A queue. The next question is coming from Mike Reholt from J.P. Morgan. Mike, your line is live.
spk03: Hi, guys. Doug Wardlaw. I'm from Mike. I'm going to step back to the end of last quarter and your comments on the banking volatility. I just want to know if you had any further color and if there's been any change since that last conversation on the banking volatility's impact on other land developers. If so, you know, towards the beginning of the previous quarter, did you see any type of material benefit?
spk01: Were you asking about banking volatility? Sorry, you were kind of breaking up.
spk03: Sorry, yes, yes, just if there was any update on banking volatility's effect on your competitors, and if there was, did you guys see any type of benefit?
spk05: You know, it's more anecdotes that we hear than anything that we have experienced because we don't use project-level financing, but we have definitely heard that Other developers, the terms at which they're being quoted to do deals have gotten more stringent. Interest rates have clearly risen to do acquisition development loans for developers. And so, again, the antidotes are they are having a more difficult time, in some cases, not being able to get the loans that they would have, needing more equity to balance out and paying higher interest rates.
spk03: Got it. So, nothing material enough outside of . Yeah.
spk05: I would say nothing in addition to that.
spk03: Got it. Thank you.
spk02: Thank you. There were no other questions at this time. I would now like to hand the call back to Don Bartok for closing remarks.
spk05: Thank you, Paul. And thank you to everyone on the four-star team for your focus and hard work. I'm proud of the results the team achieved this quarter. We will stay disciplined, flexible, and opportunistic as we continue to consolidate market share. We appreciate everyone's time on the call today and look forward to speaking with you again in November to share our fourth quarter and fiscal 2023 results. Thank you.
spk02: Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Have a wonderful day.
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