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Conference Operator

Good day, and welcome to the first Industrial Realty Trust, Inc., second quarter 2025 results call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Art Harmon, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Marketing. Please go ahead.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Michael. Hello, everybody, and welcome to our call. Before we discuss our second quarter of 2025 results and our updated guidance for the year, please note that our call may include forward-looking statements as defined by federal securities laws. These statements are based on management's expectations, plans, and estimates of our prospects. Today's statements may be time-sensitive and accurate only as of today's date, July 17, 2025. We assume no obligation to update our statements or the other information we provide. Actual results may differ materially from our forward-looking statements and factors which could cause this are described in our 10-K and other SEC filings. You can find a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures discussed in today's call, in our supplemental report, and our earnings release. The supplemental report, earnings release, and our SEC filings are available at firstindustrial.com under the Investors tab. Our call will begin with remarks by Peter Basile, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Scott Musil, our Chief Financial Officer, after which we'll open it up for your questions. Also with us today are JoJo Yap, Chief Investment Officer, Peter Schultz, Executive Vice President, Chris Schneider, Executive Vice President of Operations, and Bob Walter, Executive Vice President of Capital Markets and Asset Management. Now let me hand the call over to Peter.

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Art, and thank you all for joining us today. Our portfolio continues to perform well, producing strong cash rental rate growth with a solid pace of renewals. Tenant leasing activity and investments to support new growth continue to move at a deliberate pace. The uncertainty around tariffs, whether they will be applied, where and when and to what degree continues to dampen momentum around decision-making. That said, we have a couple of success stories to share in the form of new development leases that I will review shortly. As we said on prior calls, a positive for our business is with new starts at a 10-year low. Even with modest net absorption, the available alternatives for new Class A space continue to diminish. This trend is reflected in the most recent metrics on the broad industrial market reported by CoStar. Vacancy in Tier 1 U.S. markets was 6.3% at the end of the second quarter and up 30 basis points compared to the prior quarter. On the demand side, according to CoStar, net absorption year-to-date totaled 16 million square feet nationally and 5 million square feet in our target markets. We should also point out that there is a wide variation in reported net absorption. Depending upon the source you use, year-to-date net absorption ranges from negative 4 million square feet to positive 63 million square feet. Nationally, new construction start volume was 62 million square feet in the second quarter versus 66 million in the first quarter of 2025, and 72% lower than the peak of third quarter 2022. In our 15 target markets, new starts were 37 million square feet, and completions were 38 million. Space under construction totals 204 million square feet, and that is 42% pre-lease. From a portfolio standpoint, our in-service occupancy at quarter end was 94.2%, in line with our expectations, reflecting the known 708,000 square foot move out in central Pennsylvania, and the impact of two developments placed in service, partially offset by some new leasing. We've now taken care of 88% of our 2025 rollovers by square footage. Our overall cash rental rate increase for new and renewal leasing is 33%, and if you exclude the large fixed rate renewal in central PA we previously disclosed, the cash rental rate increase is 38%. This puts us on track to achieve our overall cash rental rate growth expectations of 30% to 40% and 35% to 45% excluding the fixed rate renewal. Moving now to development. We are pleased to report that after we issued our press release, we leased the remaining 501,000 square feet of the 968,000 square foot building in our Camelback 303 joint venture in Phoenix. That brings the entire three building 1.8 million square foot project to 100% lease. Per our press release, we also leased 58,000 square feet at our first loop project in Orlando. As discussed on our last call, we're underway on two new starts in the corridor. The first is a 176,000 square foot facility at First Park 121 in northwest Dallas. The second is a 226,000 square footer at our First Park Newcastle project in the Philadelphia market. The total estimated investment for both of these projects is $54 million, with target cash yields of approximately 8% for each. Both of these opportunities are located in infill locations with low sub-market vacancies and targets of 50 to 100,000 square foot tenant segments. Turning to our capital markets activity, we reached two important milestones during the quarter. First, we were upgraded by Fitch to BBB Plus in early May. That upgrade was timely, as shortly thereafter, we launched our first public bond offering since 2007 in the form of $450 million of senior unsecured notes at a coupon rate of 5.25%. Demand from fixed income investors was strong, and we appreciate their support for the offering. Let me conclude by saying thank you to my teammates around the country who are executing on our plan and taking care of our customers. With that, I'll turn it over to Scott.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Peter. Let me recap our results for the quarter. Day rate funds from operations were $0.76 per fully diluted share compared to $0.66 per share in 2Q2024. Our cash seems to run a wide growth for the quarter. Excluding termination fees was 8.7%, primarily driven by increases in rental rates on new and renewal leasing and contractual rent bumps, partially offset by lower average occupancy. We finished the quarter with in-service occupancy of 94.2%, down 110 basis points from the quarter. As Peter noted, our occupancy change reflects the impact of the known move out in central Pennsylvania and two developments entering the in-service pool offset in part by some new leasing. Summarizing our leasing activity during the quarter, approximately 2.5 billion square feet of leases commenced. Of these, approximately 400,000 were new, 2.1 million were renewals, and 100,000 were for developments and acquisition with lease-up. On the capital side, as Peter noted, we were very pleased with our return to the public bond market for the first time since 2007. Our $450 million unsecured notes issued in this offering mature in January 2031 and carry a coupon rate of 5.25%. We remain strongly positioned on the capital front with our next maturity coming in 2027, assuming all available extension options are exercised on one of our bank loans. We would like to thank our banking partners for their outstanding execution and support in this transaction. Now moving on to our guidance. Our guidance range for NAVRED FFO for the year remains $2.92 per share at the midpoint with the range narrowed to $2.88 to $2.96 per share. Our assumptions are as follows. Average core rent in-service occupancy of 95% to 96%. This range reflects approximately 1.5 million square feet of development leasing assumed to occur in the fourth quarter of this year. Cash same-store NOI growth before termination fees of 6% to 7%. As a reminder, our same-store guidance excludes the impact of the accelerated recognition of a tenant improvement reimbursement in 2024. Guidance includes the anticipated 2025 costs related to our completed and under-construction developments at June 30th. For the full year 2025, we expect to capitalize about $0.09 per share of interest. And our G&A expense guidance range is $40.5 to $41.5 million. Now let me turn it back over to Peter.

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Scott. Our diversified operating portfolio continues to perform strongly. generating cash rental rate growth on new and renewal leasing amongst the top performers in our sector. When the tariff picture becomes more clear, we expect improved confidence, more timely decision-making, and an increase of investments in new growth initiatives. We remain focused on securing and serving existing and new customers to drive long-term cash flow growth. Operator, with that, we're ready to open it up for questions.

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Conference Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. And we also ask that you limit yourselves to one question and one follow-up. And your first question comes from Rob Stevenson with Jani. Please go ahead.

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Rob Stevenson
Analyst, Jani

Good morning, guys. Peter, incremental development starts from here. More or less attractive today than they were three or six months ago? And how is construction pricing in terms of labor materials today versus in the past?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Take the first part of that, Joji. You can talk about construction pricing. Like we said on the last call, You know, in order to really get deeper into new starts, we'd like to see more consistent development lease signings. There's a lot of activity in the market. The amount of gross leasing activity in the first half of the year was pretty strong relative to 2024. But we need to see more investment in new growth, more take up of development space. As you've seen, we have... executed on new starts in certain markets. And in those markets that we think continue to show good fundamentals and where there's demand that is going unmet, we'll continue to execute starts there. Joe, do you want to talk about the costs?

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Yes. For construction costs, from the second half of last year, costs are down 5% to 10%, depending upon the market. From the start of the year, the total construction cost has been pretty flat. The contractors have been more aggressive, so their margins have compressed. slight increase in construction costs. Keeping an eye on steel. There's some talk that steel might go up, but we haven't seen it. Contractors, though, are able to keep their pricing for 30 to 60 days, which is good. And you probably all follow this. There's been a tariff increase in copper. So, you know, you're looking at the electrical supply, the switchgear. But these items have a small impact on the cost, maybe total construction costs under 1%.

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Rob Stevenson
Analyst, Jani

Okay, that's helpful. And then Scott, Anything abnormal or not recurring in the second quarter FFO or anything expected to be sequentially a drag in the back half of the year? I'm just trying to figure out. You guys did 76 cents, and just doing a flat 76 and 76 in the next two quarters puts you at the very high end of your current guidance range. I just wanted to get a feel for what's coming up here.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

So I would say in the third and fourth quarter, we're recognizing more interest expense than in the second quarter. And Rob, that's driven by two items. We have to continue to fund our development pipeline. That's about $110 million of spend for the last six months of the year. So that's driving interest expense higher. Also, the May bond offering was slightly diluted. We used the funds to pay down our line of credit. and the line of credit had a lower interest rate than what the bond offering rate was. So on the back end of the year, you're going to see a little bit of higher interest expense, which will knock down our FFO in the third and fourth quarter.

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Rob Stevenson
Analyst, Jani

Okay, that's helpful, guys. Thanks. I appreciate the time this morning.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Vikram Malhotra with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

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Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just want to understand the new lease you just announced that was not in the 1.6 million target. And if you can just sort of maybe walk us through some of the bigger pieces in the 1.6, like how do the prospects look for 3Q and 4Q?

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Peter Schultz
Executive Vice President

Peter, you want to talk about what's happening in your markets? Sure, on the 1.6 million square feet that we have in our guidance at year end, the largest component of that is our building at First Aurora Commerce Center in Denver. We continue to have active prospects for all or portions of the building. In fact, a couple of the prospects have a need for rail, which we can accommodate on this site. Difficult to peg exactly when Those get signed, but we continue to be pleased with the level of activity.

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Part of the $1.5 million in the West Coast, we have three buildings there, two in a 150-square-foot range and one in a 324,000-square-foot range in East IE. Good product, great product with very, very good functionality. We're having tours and proposals for every building, but nothing, no lease to announce yet. And then the remaining in the west would be, under the west region, it would be $120,000 per foot in Chicago. Like East IE, we've been getting tours, and we're responding to requests for proposals, but don't have a lease to announce yet.

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Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Okay, and then can you just clarify the two cent impact you had mentioned prior? Like if you don't do any of the 1.6, is that still, the two cents is still in the guide or have you pushed that out? And then, sorry, if you could just clarify that new 500,000 square foot lease that was not part of the original 1.6.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Well, the good news is with the benefit of that lease that Peter just announced in the call coupled with the lease that we did in first loop earlier than what we projected, Vikram, that two cents a share is now zero cents a share. So what does that mean? The 1.5 million square feet of development leasing that we still have in our guide, and I'll also throw in the 708,000 square footer in central Pennsylvania, now effectively they're having 1231 leased up. So they're assumed to be leased up on 1231. Great.

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Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Thank you.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Nick Thelman with Baird. Please go ahead.

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Nick Thelman
Analyst, Baird

Nick, following up maybe on that camelback and the lease up there, is the plan there to kind of take that out like you did similar in 1Q?

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Nick, the plan there is to, like every time, is to maximize value. We have a couple of executions. We can take it to market. We can acquire the product. We can look at holding it, but it's all about censoring and about maximizing value. Also, we're very pleased about the execution because that JV project delivered returns exceeding our expectations. I also want to remind you there's another 71 acres left. with great land, freeway frontage, and that we're focused on getting maximized value there, either developing it, either doing a higher and better use deal like we've done before, and all of that.

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Nick Thelman
Analyst, Baird

Maybe dovetailing on that, just on you guys have outlined maybe the potential opportunity for monetizing some of the land bank or existing portfolio for data centers. I guess, is there any update there or the size or scope of what that opportunity set is?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Not really. That's a pretty big project. It's going to take some time. We have to look into power, of course. Without that, you really don't have much to talk about. And these things are going to take several months to get to the answers on some of this.

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Nick Thelman
Analyst, Baird

That's it for me.

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Conference Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from Craig Mailman with Citi. Please go ahead.

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Craig Mailman
Analyst, Citi

Hey, good morning. Peter, maybe can you just give some context around the 501,000 square foot lease? Was that a longer kind of burn on the demand there? Is that more recent? Just to give us a sense of, you know, how quickly some of these can come together, you know, having some bigger ones like First Aurora left to take care of.

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, sure. That was on the shorter end of the spectrum. Jojo, you want to talk about that?

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Sure, sure. Basically, the building was just completed. So basically, the building was leased at completion. Craig, we had a number of showings. As you may recall, too, that building has been 48% leased. So we've leased already basically half the building. And then so we had continuous showings and remaining vacancy. And we actually had three interested parties, and this party wanted to really, they needed to grow, and they wanted to control the space pretty quick. Tell them how long from beginning to now that discussion. The discussion, I would say, would be about 45 days.

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Craig Mailman
Analyst, Citi

Okay. And when does that one commence?

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Right now. Today.

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Craig Mailman
Analyst, Citi

Right now. Oh, immediately. Okay. Um, and then, okay. And then just, I guess more broadly, Peter, you're, you're kind of showing that there's, there's some improvement in demand, but doesn't, it doesn't sound like you guys are getting excited about it yet, but at the same time, there can be some big deals that can come quickly. I'm just kind of curious as you guys are talking to people, um, you know, at some of these developments, like First Aurora has been one that's been vacant for two years. Like, are some of these, I know I'll call them stubborn vacancies, but kind of longer-tailed lease-ups, are these, in your opinion, like, is it a leasing strategy issue? Is it a product issue? Or is it just a market issue that you guys are contending with on some of these that are taking a little bit longer to lease up?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

It's a demand side issue. It's finding the right fit at the right time for the particular candidate or potential tenant. You know, people make decisions. This particular tenant that took the Phoenix property or the other half of the Phoenix property made some business decisions that caused them to need it pretty quickly. It's really just finding the right fit, Greg, and having... having the right size space at the right time. And so we've had, as you point out, in Denver, several tenants come by there and actually traded proposals with several tenants. Look, there's definitely pent up demand. There's frustration to some degree. The tariff thing has really caused people to pause. And yet there are also other tenants who are less tariff sensitive who are going to do deals, and that would, in fact, include the one that signed the lease in Phoenix.

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Craig Mailman
Analyst, Citi

Great. Thank you.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Blaine Heck with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

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Blaine Heck
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Great. Thanks. Good morning. So one of your competitors mentioned that their build-to-suit pipeline is very strong. I guess, are you seeing demand on that side as well? What's your general appetite for build-to-suits, and how do those returns compare with what you might be able to generate through spec development?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, the returns are always going to be a little bit lower unless there's a special circumstance. We do execute on build-to-suits. You've seen us do that, but it's also not – ever been a very high-volume component of our business. Our platform is set up and our land holdings are such that we're more targeted to the speculative development business, but we do like the built-to-suit business depending on what we can earn, and obviously we're trying to maximize returns for shareholders. So we're going to evaluate the kinds of returns we can earn on a built-to-suit relative to the risk and taking on a speculative project, risk and return of taking on a speculative project.

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Blaine Heck
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Great, that's helpful. And then maybe a little bit more high level. It seems as though there are a few different strategies we're seeing from tenants. Those that are continuing on with their business plans and leasing despite the uncertainty. You've got those that are strategizing more but still in the market but taking a little bit longer to make decisions. And those that are completely on pause and waiting for clarity. I guess, would you agree with that characterization? And how would you kind of characterize the relative size of each of those groups today in your markets?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

I would agree with it. We've had some conversations. We're close to trading paper, and they've said, gee, we want your building, but we've just got word from HQ that we have to pause now. And that was post-April 2nd. So there's definitely a large group there. There is definitely a large group who window shop because they know they need space. They're just not sure when. And then there are the ones who are a bit more bold, and some of them who say, hey, We see what Amazon's doing, spending 15, or at least they're announcing to spend $15 billion on new centers, largely in rural areas, and they're going to build out their same-day delivery from the city to the suburbs to the rural areas, and they can't afford to sit and watch, so they're going to go ahead and sign leases. So I think you outlined it pretty well. You've got tenants kind of active across the spectrum in terms of objectives.

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Blaine Heck
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

And do you think those different strategies are roughly equal in size, or would you say, you know, one or another are more prominent here?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Hard to say.

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Blaine Heck
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Fair enough. Thank you, guys.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Caitlin Burrows with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

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Caitlin Burrows
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, good morning. I think you historically mentioned the answer was that it doesn't, but to what extent have you found that reducing price can create more leasing demand, whether it's developments or other vacancies? Like, have you seen this work in some places but not others?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

You know, Caitlin, we really, you know, first of all, we focus on the NPV of that discussion, if you want to call it that. There are lots of different inputs. Certainly RAISE is one. TI's. free rent and move-in dates. Some people want to sign leases and not move in for six or eight months. So there's a lot of variable there. Lowering the rate doesn't create new demand. And it's really, you know, then you subject yourself to a big hit to that NPV model. And so that's always the thing you try to hold steady on is rate.

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Caitlin Burrows
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. Okay, and then just on the decision to issue the unsecured bonds, I was wondering if you guys could go through, I don't think you had talked about it before, but maybe you had, but kind of like what drove that? Is it based on your size today, efficiency of the market, that you're not doing dispositions, or like what was different now versus the last 18 or so years?

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Sure, Caitlin. It's Scott. I think we saw that we had a path to be a serial issuer in the public bond market. We've got maturities coming up the next five years. And if you look over the majority of the years in the last 20 years, the pricing in the public bond market is inside of the pricing in the private placement market from a spread point of view. So that was the rationale for doing it. As far as the home for the offering, we had about $500 million on our line of credit. So we utilized the proceeds to pay down our line.

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Caitlin Burrows
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. And just in terms of like what was different now versus like four years ago or something to not do it then? Any comment on that?

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Well, now if you look at our maturity schedule over the next five years, we've got enough maturities to be somewhat of a serial issuer in the public bond market, which is what the investor base wants to see. And four years ago, if we did something then, we might not have been back to the market for a couple of years. And the public bond investors like you to be back on a more reoccurring basis.

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

And the size of the offering back four years ago was smaller than it is today. It wasn't benchmark size. And in some cases, the private place in ARCA was cheaper, actually, than the public market.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

17 and 18. Yep.

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Caitlin Burrows
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. Okay. Thanks.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Jessica Zhang with Green Street. Please go ahead.

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Jessica Zhang
Analyst, Green Street

Good morning. I was wondering if you have any insights around how private industrial developers are behaving in the current environment. I just wonder for, you know, the firms that are sitting on let spec developments, are they, you know, start to offer elevated concession packages or are they materially cutting face rents to try to secure attendance?

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Peter Schultz
Executive Vice President

Peter and Jojo, you guys wanna talk about what you're seeing? Sure, I would say, generally speaking, where there are more choices, you've seen concessions drift up. Because tenants have a lot of choices, so developers are responding in that way. But I wouldn't say there's a material difference across the landscape for developers. Jojo?

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Yes, I would agree, and then in terms of starts, they're cautious. Hard to get debt. Debt is expensive. And they're sitting, a lot of developers are sitting on their land because they've got still some vacancies on their new developments.

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Jessica Zhang
Analyst, Green Street

Excellent. Thank you.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Nick Ulico with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

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Victor Padeon
Analyst, Scotiabank

Hello. This is Victor Padeon with Nick Ulico. Now that the focus is shifted to addressing 26, 27 expirations, we see that expiring rents are rather on the lower end for 26 and 27 as well. Are those assets indicative and comparable to the types of assets you leased in 2025? Just trying to understand here the demand and potential rent spreads for those properties.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

So I'm asking about 26 and 27 expirations and how the rents stack up. Well, so 26 compared to 25, I would say pretty consistent. But in 26, we do have a higher proportion of expirations in Dallas and Atlanta, which have been very good markets over the last several years. So I would say that's pretty much the difference between 26 and 25. 27, I don't know right offhand. I can get back to you after the call.

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Victor Padeon
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Thank you. And then a quick follow-up on your current development leasing. Any types of tenants that you might highlight that are having a kind of higher interest in your assets at this point, or there is no kind of particular trend you can highlight?

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Peter Schultz
Executive Vice President

I would say generally we're seeing a lot of activity from food and beverage and 3PLs, some automotive, some manufacturing, some consumer products. E-commerce continues to be very busy. As Peter mentioned a couple of minutes ago, Amazon in particular has a range of requirements in a number of markets. They're very, very active. So activity overall continues to be pretty broad-based. We're pleased with the breadth of that.

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Victor Padeon
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Thank you.

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Conference Operator

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. And your next question comes from Brendan Lynch with Barclays. Please go ahead.

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Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. You mentioned the interest rate drag on FFO in the back half. Can you also discuss the drag on same-store that's implied in guidance for the second half as well?

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Chris Schneider
Executive Vice President of Operations

Chris? Yeah. If you look at same-store, you know, kind of the second half, it's primarily due to, you know, lower average occupancy in the second half of the year compared to the first half of the year. you know, a little bit less contribution of the cash rental rate increases, and then we have some, you know, increased pre-rent concessions on due leasing. So that's really what's driving that. You're a little bit lower in the second half of the year.

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Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays

Okay, thanks. That's helpful. And can you also discuss what dictates when you grant a fixed-rate renewal option for tenants? Where does that kind of fall on your list of priorities when negotiating a lease option? And should we expect any more of these in the remainder of 25 or to 26?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

It's not on page one of the list. Let's put it that way. Obviously, you'd rather not do that, but sometimes there is a benefit that particular case, very large Senate, very good credit, and it made sense for that deal.

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Peter Schultz
Executive Vice President

And, Brendan, the timing of that, that was done in 2017 as part of a lease renewal at that point. So you should not take that as, reflection of market conditions in the current environment.

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Yeah, we know it very early. Very early.

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Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays

Okay, very good. Thank you.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Todd Thomas with KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Todd Thomas
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hi, thanks. First question, just from your comments earlier around the Camelback lease, you know, you mentioned that it replaced the lease-up assumptions on the 1.6 million square feet that you had in guidance, the two cents, and that you're now assuming a 1231 lease-up, essentially. But two questions. Do you actually feel different or less confident in the timing of the lease-up on that 1.6 million square foot bucket, any different than you did last quarter? And then, you know, I suspect this means that the 95% to 96% occupancy assumptions are You know, if you're pushing out some of that leasing, that that should sort of be disregarded, I guess, to some extent as it pertains to 25. You know, we can do the math, but just wanted to ask about that also since this, you know, sort of hit after the release, it sounds like.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Scott, so for the, you know, the occupancy assumptions don't change, Todd, because both the $1.5 million, actually, and also that includes the $708,000, they're assumed to lease up on 12-31, so that impacts... positively impacts our four-quarter average on that. And I'm sorry, what was the other question you had? I think I took care of the last part first.

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Todd Thomas
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Whether or not you actually feel different at all around the timing of that 1.6 million square foot lease up, right? Camelback helps in the sense that you're kind of pushing back that assumption, but in terms of traffic and the leasing prospects that you're working on, do you feel any different than you did last quarter?

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, look, we've got five and a half months left in the year. Traffic around those assets is decent. They happen to be, most of them happen to be assets, as someone earlier pointed out, that have been available for a while. So the risk of getting those done is not zero. So generally, we felt that it was more reflective of the probability to push those to the end of the year.

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Todd Thomas
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

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Conference Operator

And your next question comes from Michael Moeller with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

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Michael Moeller
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Yeah. Hi. Two questions. And one's probably like a really dumb clarification question. But on the first one, was there anything to note out of the ordinary with either property operating expenses or recoveries this quarter? Because it just looks like the expense ratios were kind of lighter compared to where they've been running and especially compared to last year and stuff?

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Mike, it's Scott. I'll explain it this way. It has to do with our tenure policy related to equity-based compensation. If you remember in the first quarter, our G&A was a lot higher because of that tenure-based policy. What does that mean? Gap accounting requires us to expense immediately awards issued to folks that reach a certain point of age and have a certain point of service in accordance with our policy. You saw that it increased our G&A that quarter. It also increases our property expenses because our people that manage our properties, their compensation is reflected down in that line item. So what happens is it causes a depressed margin in the first quarter, and then in the second, third, and fourth quarter, the margins are elevated. And if you were to look back in the first quarter of 24 and compare it to the following quarters, that same dynamic happened. And my bet is if you look back further years, that dynamic has happened. So I would say that's the cause of the differential in margins between 1Q25 and 2Q25.

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Michael Moeller
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Got it. Okay. Yeah, I just thought it was a little bit bigger even compared to last year, but maybe not in that context. And then the second one, and this is kind of the dumber question, when you talk about the development leasing, because in my mind, I think development, external growth, development pipeline, when I think of same story, I think of occupancy, the in-service portfolio, how much of this, like is all the million six development leasing you're talking about doing or the million five, is all that related to the in-service portfolio? So it just happens to be stuff that you developed at some point in time that is in there. So You know, you can have development leasing that's impacting your occupancy guidance for the in-service portfolio, or is a portion of that kind of true development leasing where it's not in the in-service portfolio? It's just getting a little kind of confusing from my standpoint.

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Scott Musil
Chief Financial Officer

Mike, I mean, the way that we look at it, it relates to what's already in service. That's the $1.65 million. Okay. And if you want to walk through those projects after the call, I'd definitely be willing to do so. Now, life isn't perfect in development leasing, though. We saw that last year as well. There might be 300,000 square feet of projects that we've completed that aren't in service, that aren't in our guidance, that we lease up this year that have a positive impact, that make up maybe for not leasing up some of the 1.5 million square feet. But what we have in guidance is in service. And again, I'd be glad to walk through the projects with you after the call if you'd like to.

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Michael Moeller
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Got it. That helps. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Conference Operator

And your next question is a follow-up from Caitlin Burrows with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

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Caitlin Burrows
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Oh, hi again. I feel like there hasn't been much talk about specific markets, so I figured I would follow up on it. Could you talk a little bit first about SoCal, how you saw it evolve? during the quarter, maybe from a demand perspective, and on the rent side, and whether there are any differences to call out by submarkets.

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JoJo Yap
Chief Investment Officer

Jojo? Sure, Caitlin. Let's start with the rent. Rent, I would say, from Q1 to Q2, there was 5% decline in market rents. But rents today are probably about 100% or double the pre-COVID rents. So that's the way to look at it. So if you look at it, it's about 13.5%, 14% CAGR. Now let's move on to activity. Gross leasing activity in Q2 was kind of comparable to Q1. Vacancy increased about 10 basis points in both IE West and IE East. IE West is a little bit lower vacancy rate. It's performing better than IE East. In terms of net absorption, it's somewhat flat because despite the positive gross leasing activity, there's been a little bit higher giveback of space. Then moving on to the supply stats. Deliveries and starts have been really low. Total deliveries is under $2 million, of which roughly about 35% is pre-leased, and starts are about $1.6 million, under $2 million, of which $600 was a build-to-sue. Now, the stats I'm giving you is basically only IE core, because we don't invest in the high desert, IE North, which is less than 4% of the market. Anyway, I hope that helps in terms of rents and absorption and activity.

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Caitlin Burrows
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

It does, thanks. And then I guess as you think about the other markets you guys are in, are there any to call out as being strongest versus weakest today?

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Peter Schultz
Executive Vice President

Peter Kalins, Peter Schultz, I would say Nashville continues to be among the strongest in the country. Little new supply, good demand, rents continue to go up. We've seen some increased activity in Florida. So all the markets are doing pretty well, but those would be two of the stronger.

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Caitlin, I'd just add certain sub-markets in Dallas and Houston we like right now. They're doing well.

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Caitlin Burrows
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks.

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Conference Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter Basile for any closing remarks.

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Peter Basile
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, operator, and thanks to everyone for participating on our call today. If you have any follow-ups from our call, please reach out to Art, Scott, or me.

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Conference Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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