Fiverr International Ltd.

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Fiverr Q1 Fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jingjing Qian. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on Fiverr's earnings conference call for the first quarter that ended March 31, 2024. Joining me on the call today are Miha Kaufman, founder and CEO, and Ofer Katz, president and CFO. Before we start, I'd like to remind you that during this call, we may make forward-looking statements, and these statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions as of today, and Fiverr assumes no obligation to update or revise them. A discussion of some of the important risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from any forward-looking statements can be found under the risk factor section in Fiverr's most recent Form 20F and other findings with the SEC. During this call, we'll be referring to some key performance metrics and non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margins. Further explanation and a reconciliation of each of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is provided in earnings release we issued today in our shareholder letter, each of which is available on our website at investors.fiverr.com. And now, I'll turn the call over to Miha.

Thank you, Jinjin. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We kicked off 2024 with a strong set of results, both revenue and adjusted EBITDA for Q1 exceeded expectations, driven by strong execution across the marketplace and Fiverr business solutions. We continue to evolve our platform to accommodate not only small businesses fulfilling small tasks, but also larger wallet customers purchasing more complex, and larger ticket size services. The strategy is working particularly well amid the current macro environment as we remain efficient and disciplined with our top of funnel investments while leaning into product and innovation to drive wallet share expansion. AI continue to have a net positive impact on our business as complex services continue to grow faster and represent a bigger portion of our business. Demand for AI-related services remains strong as evidenced by 95% year-over-year growth in GMV from AI service categories. Chatbot development was especially popular this quarter as businesses look for ways to lean into Gen AI technology to better engage with customers. For example, we have seen a hospitality company building a conversational tool for customers to manage bookings or an online learning platform creating a personalized learning menu and tutoring sessions for children. With an over 10,000 and growing AI expert pool, Fiverr has become the destination for businesses to get help implementing Gen AI and take their business to the next level. We also seen very promising signals on Fiverr Neo, the AI matching assistant that we launched last year. NEO enables our buyers to have a more natural purchasing path by creating a conversational experience that leverages the catalog data and search algos. Answers and steps are provided based on buyer's questions and the stage of the search. As a result, we saw that nearly one-third of the buyers who received seller recommendations from NEO ended up sending a project brief to the seller And the overall order conversion is nearly three times that of the market base average. This really gives us confidence and excitement in the potential we could unlock by investing in AI matching technology. The strong Q1 results together with the momentum we are seeing across going up market and AI are giving us confidence in delivering the targets we set for this year. Of course, we are not here just to deliver the year, but rather to drive the next wave of work transformation and AI innovation. So many exciting product initiatives are happening at Fiverr right now, as we work tirelessly towards our summer product release. Without jumping the gun on the release, I want to give you some color on how we are thinking about the business and the opportunity more broadly. I'll expand on three areas, product leadership, data and AI matching, and brand and traffic. First, let's talk about product leadership. We have been a product-led company ever since we started in 2010. We pioneered the concept of service as a product and built an extensive service catalog covering any digital service you can think of, turning a super opaque inefficient experience of hiring a freelancer into a modern, delightful e-commerce experience. Our product innovation pace picked up even more in recent years as the scale of our marketplace significantly expanded. This includes monetization products such as Promoted Gigs and Seller Plus, AI innovation such as Logo Maker, AI Auditions, to the latest groundbreaking Fiber Neo. business solutions offering such as Project Partner and Fiverr Certified, and numerous products and features such as Fiverr Discover, Milestone, and Subscriptions that empower our community to work better and smarter. We're always leading the curve of innovation that powers growth, not only for us, but for the industry. As our teams work towards our July product release, we are focusing on deepening trust and leveraging AI to reimagine every aspect of the customer journey. This includes improving our catalog and building new experiences to enable high-stakes, high-trust work to happen on Fiverr. We are strengthening our muscle in knowing our customers better in order to provide them with the better matching, better recommendations, and better customer care, all of which leads to more trust for Fiverr as a platform. We are already seeing some of the benefits in unlocking wallet share and driving a niche shift towards complex services on Fiverr. And we are going to see more impact down the road. Second, data and AI matching. Fiverr is unique in the sense that we are not just a platform that connects businesses with freelancers, the entire work actually happens on Fiverr. And that is really the secret sauce that enables us to do matching in such a simple, accurate, and seamless way. With generative AI, there's incredible potential to take that experience to a whole new level. Just to give you some idea of the scale we operate. In 2023, over 38 million files were exchanged on our platform And on average, 2.5 million messages were sent between buyers and sellers on a daily basis. We are experimenting with GenAI technology on how to unlock the potential of that massive data on Fiverr in order to enable buyers and sellers to have more information, search and browse in new ways, ask more complex questions, and ultimately make better, more informed choices on Fiverr. Third, brand and traffic. Fiverr has built one of the most recognizable brands in our industry, leading in aided and unaided brand awareness among other freelance marketplaces. Fiverr.com continues to be one of the highest traffic websites as businesses of all sizes come to fulfill digital services and freelancer talent across the world come to find opportunities. This gives us a lot of opportunity to bring helpful GenAI features and capabilities to people everywhere and improve their businesses. As we continue to build our brand equity, we believe the opportunities lie not only in the U.S., where we have the strongest foothold, but there is also a potential to grow international awareness. We have been especially successful in our recent efforts across the UK, Germany, and France, where we partnered with local influencers to launch various campaigns. There is also a lot to do in expanding our reach and channels with business customers, and we have barely scratched the surface. So these are the key competitive modes that we enjoy today, and we will continue investing in down the road. This time last year, I shared with you how excited I am with the GenAI development and how I think it's going to be a multi-year tailwind for Fiverr. I'm really pleased to say that over the past year, the entire Fiverr team has turned that excitement into ideas and projects already operating across our platform, and we are going to see many more of them coming to fruition this year. I'm very excited about what's to come and can't wait to share those updates with you in the coming quarters. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ofer, who will share some financial highlights.

Thank you, Micha, and good morning, everyone. We are off to a great start in 2024. Revenue for Q1 was 93.5 million, up 6.3% year-over-year at the top end of our guidance. And adjusted EBITDA was 16 million above our guidance range and representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 17.1%. The strong performance speaks to the strategy we laid out at the beginning of the year and the consistency in our execution amid a volatile macro environment. We are confident in executing the reminder of the year successfully while making strategic long-term investments as Micha outlined. We continue to improve the underlying fundamentals across our business. GMV on the platform grew 2% year over year, an acceleration from 1% last quarter, as our efforts to grow complex services and push up market paid off. Complex services continue to grow at a healthy double digit rate and now represent over one-third of our marketplace. We continue to see AI as a net positive impact for us, driving significant growth in new categories such as chatbot development and generating more demand in complex services categories where human skills are essential to provide authentic and high-quality output. Active buyers for Q1 was 4 million, and spent per buyer was 284 as we continue to double down on our upmarket effort to attract high-value quality buyers. While overall active buyer growth was muted, high-value buyers who spend over $500 annually continue to show robust growth up 4% year-over-year. Not only are we seeing more SMBs with deeper wallets come to Fiverr, We are also increasingly becoming a destination for mid- to large-sized companies to fulfill digital services. Overall spend per buyer grew 8% year-over-year, the highest growth we've ever had in over a year. We are very encouraged with our progress and expanding customer wallet share, especially given its compounding impact on our cohort and their long-term revenue streams. Take rates on our platform continue to be strong and expanding. Take rate for Q1 was 32.3%, up 190 basis points from a year ago. Both seller monetization programs continue to show robust growth. Promoted gigs grew over 55% year-over-year, and seller-plus grew over 75% year-over-year. We are also seeing some momentum from managed services offering within Fiverr business solutions as larger businesses look for end-to-end support from Fiverr in order to deploy freelancers at scale. We believe there are a lot of opportunities to double down in this area to further penetrate certain complex service categories, especially in the programming and tech vertical. A few weeks ago, we announced our first ever stock repurchase program of up to 100 million. This program demonstrates our confidence in the underlying fundamentals of our business and our commitment to creating shareholders' value. We believe our current stock price represents an attractive opportunity to do a repurchase, and we expect to start executing the repurchase program immediately. Our strong balance sheet and strong free cash flow generation provide us with a financial capability to return capital to our shareholders, while also continuing to invest in our key growth initiatives. Now, turning to guidance. For the second quarter of 2024, revenue is expected to be 93.5 to 95.5 million, representing year-over-year growth at 5 to 7%. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be 16 to 18 million, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 18% at the midpoint. For the full year of 2024, we are raising the bottom end of our guidance and now expect revenue to be in the range of 381 to 387 million, representing year-over-year growth of 5 to 7%. Adjusted EBITDA is now expected to be in the range of 67 to 73 million, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 18.2% at the midpoint. Our improved guidance reflects our strong performance in Q1 and is largely consistent with assumptions from the beginning of the year. With that, we'll now turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Thank you.

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All right, thanks for taking the question. I was really fascinated or interested in all the commentary around AI. And so I wanted to hear just a little bit more about the approach that Fiverr is taking now that you have 10,000, I think, expert networks on the platform, the commentary around chatbot community and things along those lines. So any insights or more details on the type of projects that you're seeing come in with AI would be really helpful here. And with that, maybe as the mix shift goes upstream and as we talk about fiber business and more complex projects, just Ofer, remind us more about the trajectory on spend per buyer going forward. That was a very strong number here and I wanted to get your thoughts on how that might progress throughout the year. Thank you.

Good morning, Ron. Thanks for the question. So with regards to the AI and the development there, we're definitely seeing a tailwind in those categories, and these belong more in the complex section of categories. Those include categories that allow businesses to integrate AI into their product. I think we called out the fact that there is an increase in AI avatars in chatbots, professional chatbots for customers. And we're seeing very high demand across those areas, which is the reason why it was important for us to have sufficient talent on the supply side and very professional one. As said, since a lot of it has to do with software development, these are obviously more complex types of projects that are associated with higher prices and more complex needs. And all of that contributes not only to growth as a category itself, but also the growth in spend per buyer. And we're definitely seeing this continuing, which is why, as I've said, it was important for us to have a robust supply side on the market base. And we'll continue to update as we see those services evolve. But it's not just those services on the catalog, but also the fact that we're using AI extensively in the product itself to make the experiences of the customers and the sellers much, much better.

Ron, this is Ofer on the second part of the question on the central buyer growth. So we've seen tremendous growth this quarter of 8% . This is a clear indication for the effort we are making and going upmarket, whether throughout the marketing channel focused on high-value buyer or product initiatives under the business solution platform. It's a clear majority of those efforts, and we think there is a room for us to further expand the spend over time as we keep investing in going up market and complex services. Just as Micham mentioned a minute ago, it will not necessarily grow at the same pace, but we do think there is a room to grow. And as we maintain the focus on this strategy of going up market, We believe the sensor bio will grow accordingly.

Okay. Thank you, Micha. Thank you, Ofer. Thank you, Ron.

Thank you. We will now take the next question from the line of Douglas Anmuth from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking the questions. Micha, I wanted to dig into two topics from the letter, trust on the platform and then also the potential with agencies. So in terms of trust, can you just talk about what high-value buyers are telling you that they need to spend more and then what some of those key initiatives are? And then on agencies, if you could just talk more about the potential there, some of the progress you've seen in digital marketing and tech, and then what other verticals might be attractive to Target going forward. Thanks.

Thanks for the questions, Doug. Good morning. Yeah, so we've mentioned trust as one of the main drivers when we think about the ability to fulfill more complex projects. And as you think about it, the higher the spend is, the higher the trust that needs to be between the customers and the platform and the service providers. which is also one of the reasons why we're investing in agencies. So these two questions are connected from our end. And this is why we've seen agencies as a proxy for creating trust and quality, which is why we started to have more exposure to agencies on the platform in specific categories for many reasons. mostly being competitive reasons. We didn't list the categories in which we're going to continue rolling this out, but the plan is to continue rolling this out across many categories. And the signs that we're seeing so far are very promising. We're seeing great conversion. We're seeing much more complex services. And we're seeing that the overall spend that our buyers um are doing with us when they work with agencies is multiple times what they do on average so for all of these reasons uh reasons it's important for us to continue investing in it and again this is all about decision making which is which is also the reason why we were making uh the technology behind the matching algorithms much more sophisticated so we can actually uh provide matching with the types of talent that instill trust in the customers, and again, depending on the complexity of the project.

Thank you, Micha. Thank you.

We will now take the next question. From the line of Andrew Boone from JMP Securities, please go ahead.

Thanks so much for taking my questions. I wanted to follow along with that last question. As we do think about going after more complex gigs on Fiverr, Mika, can you talk about how the product needs to evolve in terms of moving away from just simple kind of point and click gigs versus something that may be more complex? What do you guys need to do to really bring more liquidity for complicated gigs? And then we'd love to hear more about take rate on the platform. Again, we saw it step up this quarter. How should we think about that going forward in the trajectory of take rates and the sustainability there? Thanks so much.

Good morning, Andrew. Thanks for the question. So when we think about complex, more complex services, this is actually what we've been doing with the types of solutions that we were building under the umbrella of the fiber business solutions. Meaning that in some cases, when the gig model can satisfy a need, then a prepackaged model is sufficient. In some cases, a more bespoke type of treatment is needed in order to satisfy the need of a customer. And for that, we have multiple models. And again, I don't want to jump the gun as to what we're going to start introducing in our summer release. It is coming soon. but so I'm not gonna get into details, but for example, solutions like project management, where you can actually tackle more complex projects through the usage of a project manager that can orchestrate the entire project for you is one of these solutions. Actually, in some cases, agencies are able to provide these types of project solutions, and there is a number of additional ways for customers to satisfy their more complex needs, which we're going to get to in our next earning once we have the summer lease behind us. So, unfortunately, with some of that information, we'll have to wait a little while. The second one was take rate.

In terms of take rate, this question has been asked since we were in public about the sustainability of take rate. And we always said pretty much the same. We feel very confident with the take rate as it is now. It is based on two layers. One is transactionable, and the second part is value-added services. The reason for the expansion is additional services that we offer both on the seller side and buyer side. We mentioned on the shareholders letter, the promoted gigs and seller plus contribution, 55% to 75%. And we believe there is a room for both products to grow beyond. And we also think that there are other products in the pipe that might contribute on top. So confidence is high, and we think that there is room for us to extend take rate modestly over the next few quarters.

Thank you. Thank you.

We will now take the next question. From the line of Jason Holstein from Oppenheimer, please go ahead.

Thanks. Two questions. One, just on the spend per buyer, is there a way to kind of say, like, how much of the improvement was due to improvement in SMB spend versus kind of moving up market to mix? And then second, I mean, you talked about how you are seeing clear momentum around AI categories and demand. I mean, can you maybe give the offsetting factors, like, Give us a sense of like where you're seeing kind of like headwinds or negative pressure from AI that may be cutting into certain categories that are just not as important. And are you able to kind of distill that from like other macro factors that could also be affecting those categories? Thank you.

Morning, Jason. So on the spend per buyer, it is more driven by the investment that we're doing in going up markets. Which shouldn't be a surprise when we think about customer acquisition in general, we've been focusing on high value buyers, those who are spending more with us, and that cohort continues to grow. Second thing is that we know that cohort behavior continues to improve in the sense that the customers that we acquire spend materially more in their first transaction with us and then and then in subsequent transactions. So all of that is what is mostly contributing to spend per buyer. We haven't seen any macro changes, meaning macro is not getting better. And by the way, again, I don't think it should be a surprise to anyone. If you think about the macro conditions, they haven't changed thus far. But definitely the investment that we're doing in those better you know higher quality cohorts is paying off and and the sample buyer is uh is a good reflection of it uh the second part of your question about the clear moment that we're seeing with with ai um so so you know we mentioned uh in in the previous earning the the fact that the negative impact that we're seeing from ai is mostly around um the very simple types of services, those are normally services that would sell for, you know, for $10, $15, which is, I mean, we are moving, I mean, the majority of contributions coming from more complex services anyway. And as I said, we continue to see AI as a net positive. So it's it's contributing more than the offsetting factors of simple product. It happens across several categories in several verticals, but there's nothing specific to call out. Even you look at the areas that you might think that AI would influence significantly like translation, but what you're seeing is actually that the very simple services around translation are being affected, the more complex types of services are not. I mean, if you would publish a book and then want to translate it into a different language that you don't command, I would doubt that you would let AI translate it and go publish the outcome without actually verifying it.

So these are... You get a lot more interesting book that way.

I mean, yeah. I mean, the outcome might be might be surprising with all the hallucinations that AI like.

But the point is like things like logo, for example, right? Which again, going back to the very early history of the company, right? That was like, this is like a low ARPU type thing. Even in that is an area that you're still, you know, you're still actually seeing people using this and not like, it's not like logos have gone zero.

Correct. Again, I mean, if you're a serious business that takes your design, your brand seriously, you would take an expert to actually work. And I'm sure many experts actually use AI tools in their process of work, but they don't rely on blindly letting AI run the work for them. But it is more of the modern tech that they use in order to amplify their creative process.

i appreciate the color thank you thank you jason thank you we will now take the next question from the line of matt farrell from piper sandler please go ahead thanks for taking my question guys um as you continue to prioritize the move up market can you just remind us of the go-to-market strategy for the larger wallet clients and as we progress along this move? How should we think about the need for a sales force as you move forward? Thanks.

Morning, Matt. Thanks for the question. So we've talked about this in previous quarters as well. When you look at the top of funnel traffic that comes to Fiverr, it contains all the customers that we need to go up market. And in most cases, it's just identifying who those customers are and making sure that we drive them to the best experience within the product. In our case, it's the types of solutions that are offered by the Fiverr Business Solutions Suite with Pro leading that suite. And to increase that, we have introduced a number of additional programs like the partnership program certified in enterprise, which allows us to really entertain all the range of different customers as we go up market. But as I've said, in most cases, I mean, the sales team here on the enterprise side is extremely small. And we're able to continue adding a lot of big logos into our product. The majority is coming from the funnel that comes to Fiverr. And as we become better at identifying those customers and pairing them with the right solutions, the better the conversion and the engagement that we're getting with these customers.

Thanks, and congrats on the share repurchase authorization. Just given that it's your first program and the strength of your balance sheet, how should we be thinking about the pace of buybacks as you kind of start to implement the program? Thanks.

Thank you. So, in general, I think, you know, we've given color on our remarks, but, again, you know, this really reflects our confidence in Fiverr's long-term opportunity. And given the fact that we have a very strong balance sheet and free cash flow, we have the ability to invest into growth while also returning some shareholder value. So we've put this plan in place so that we can execute it as fast as possible. So for as long as the stock is cheap, right? And the speed really will depend on strategic decisions and market conditions. And we said that this would be our strategy moving forward. So as you said, this is the first time that we're doing it. But as long as these conditions are met, we're going to do it as fast as possible. Awesome.

Thanks again, guys.

Thank you. We will now take the next question from the line of Eric Sheridan from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thanks so much for taking the question. Just one, if I could. When you think about the international opportunity, how should we be thinking about going deeper in the markets you're already in versus continuing to expand the geographic footprint in the years ahead? And how much of an element of the decision between either or both of those options are down to a better macro environment and maybe a little bit more visibility into return on investment to sort of widen out that purview? Thank you.

Morning, Eric. Thanks for the question. Yeah, so as we noted, the focus that we have on the international is mostly around UK and Germany right now. And we're seeing that they're doing well. They're growing faster than the US under these conditions. And I think that the key to that is A, there is more of an untapped potential outside of the US. The US has a different level of maturation when you think about working with freelancers and agencies, and Europe is picking up. Macro conditions are not not materially different, but they are different. And the strategy of optimizing the different marketing channels or customer engagement channels are something that we've been perfecting over the past few quarters. I think that coupled with the fact that we've identified some, you know, cultural changes that require some some product tweaking in order to optimize the experience in different locales has altogether proven itself to be working out well, which is the reason why it's growing faster. We'll continue doing that. The opportunity for growth is obviously very, very large. If you think about just Europe combined in terms of SMB size, the SMBs in Europe combined is one and a half times larger than the US, meaning that there is plenty of potential to continue growing there. And obviously, when macro improves, growth is going to be easier and cheaper.

Thank you. We will now take the next question.

from the line of Bernie McTernan from Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Stephanos Christ calling in for Bernie. Thanks for taking our questions. I just wanted to clarify, the complex services getting over to a third of the marketplace, is that GMV or the number of jobs? And maybe what are you contemplating for that next shift for your full year guidance? Thank you.

The short answer is it's GMV. And our expectation is that Complex will continue to grow.

Got it. Thank you. Thank you.

We will now take the next question. from the line of Rohit Kulkarni from Prof. MKM. Please go ahead.

Hey, thanks for taking my questions. A couple, if I could. One on AI, this 95% growth in AI GMV. It might be coming off of a small base, but do you see that trend line accelerate as I'm sure there are new types of use cases getting unlocked as well as new types of buyers coming in? And any more color on this AI-related GMV that where is it coming from? Where is the strength manifesting in right now, either small versus high-value buyers or repeat buyers getting more active versus net new buyers coming to the platform? So that's my first question on AI. And second, to the extent you can comment on how you feel about the long-term impact profitability of the business clearly with the share buyback you have greater conviction and there's a there's a high likelihood that you're closing in on high teens EBITDA margin as the year exits so so perhaps talk about how high do you think this business's profitability can go and there are marketplaces that of your similar characteristic that have uh demonstrated 30%, 35% margins over the future. So I would love to see how you're thinking now that last 18 months you've provided a very strong track record of kind of stabilizing, growing, and then improving profitability. So thank you.

Good morning, Rory. Thanks for the question. Yeah, so so you're right, AI is still pretty new. So as a base, it is growing off, it is obviously a new category. But we continue to add a lot of new AI categories constantly, as the technology evolve. And overall, we're seeing, you know, lots of buyers coming to Fiverr as a destination for those services. So so we are becoming, you know, synonymous with these with these types of services. And As we mentioned on the call, we're seeing over 10,000 AI experts on the supply side. It's continuing to grow. And we're seeing that demand coming both from new customers and repeat customers. Some customers are getting to us through these categories, and obviously these categories have a higher ticket size. They they're by definition more complex and require bespoke development And we're seeing our existing customers using that so This is definitely a great influence both on the top of funnel for acquisition, but also for for attention As to long term so I think you've said it. We've been doing very consistent, we've been taking very consistent steps to improve EBITDA margin over the past few quarters. Nothing was a huge step function, but more a very thoughtful way of improving the margin as we continue to not neglect growth, which is very important. We set up the 25%, and the idea is to get there. Will there be an opportunity to increase that after we meet that number? Potentially, yes. And instead of throwing promises at this point, we want to make sure that we continue the consistent execution towards the long-term margin goal that we've set up.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you. We will now take the last question from the line of Marvin Fong from BTIG. Please go ahead.

Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just one for me. I did want to actually talk about EBITDA a little closer here, just specific to this year. So very strong performance in the first quarter above the top end of your guide. As, you know, I think you reiterated the top end and raised the lower end of EBITDA guides for a year, but just curious, you know, what what was sort of the thought, what's your view of EBITDA margins for the balance of the year? Was there, you know, being conservative is understandable in this environment, but is there any moving parts we should be aware of? Do you kind of plan to increase some OpEx items or anything along those lines? Just any additional color on how we should think about EBITDA for the rest of the year would be great. Thanks.

Hey, Marvin. I think that Given the macro continue to be challenged, we are very prudent in our guidance. We haven't changed anything on the baseline assumption from the beginning of the year, other than being more confident in our ability to deliver. So during this kind of period, the way we manage the business is very careful, balancing between growth and keeping the healthiness of the business. And I think you can see the outcome. The plan for the remainder of the year is to continue to invest in products as we expand into more complex projects and going up market, continue to invest in marketing as long as the market allows us to be very efficient. And you can see the TRI, how it behaves quarter over quarter. And make sure we grow on a healthy pace and improving the EBITDA throughout the remainder of the year. But there's nothing, there's no moving power I think you guys are not aware of.

That's great. Thanks, Alfred, for that insight. Appreciate it.

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand back over to the speakers for closing remarks.

Thank you, Sandra, for moderating this call, and thank you, everyone, for participating. We wish all of you a great day and look forward to see you very soon.

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