11/4/2021

speaker
Operator

Good day and welcome to Green Dot's third quarter 2021 earnings conference. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tim Willey, SVP of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.

speaker
Green Dot 's

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Today, we are discussing Green Dot's third quarter 2021 financial and operating results. Follow our remarks. We'll open the call for questions. Our most recent earnings release that accompanies this call and webcast can be found at ir.greendot.com. As a reminder, our comments may include forward-looking statements and expectations regarding future results and performance. Please refer to the cautionary language in the earnings release and the Green Dots filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Include in our most recent form 10-K and 10-Q or additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. During the call, we'll make reference to our financial measures that do not conform with generally accepted accounting principles. For the sake of clarity, unless otherwise noted, all numbers we talk about today will be on a non-GAAP basis. Information may be calculated differently than similar non-GAAP data presented by other companies. Quantitative reconciliation of our non-GAAP financial information to the directly comparable GAAP financial information appears in today's press release. The content of this call is property of the Green Dot Corporation and is subject to copyright protection. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Dan.

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Green Dot 's

Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us as we announce our third quarter 2021 results. This was another solid quarter for Green Dot as we exceeded our guidance with consolidated non-GAAP revenue up 18%, adjusted EBITDA up 37%, and non-GAAP EPS up 72%. compared to the prior year. Much like previous quarters, our Q3 results were driven in part by unique circumstances stemming from the pandemic, including shifts in tax season and filing deadlines and government stimulus programs, as well as customer behaviors and trends that have continued reinforcing the value and potential of the products we offer, both directly and through our valued partners. We are driving forward with our plan to invest the financial outperformance back into our infrastructure and create a stronger, leaner, more scalable platform and enterprise. I believe great companies are built with great people, and I'm pleased to highlight two additions we have made to our leadership bench. The first being Mike Althaus, our new Chief Compliance Officer, and most recently, the appointment of George Gresham, our new chief finance and chief operating officer. You will hear from George in a few minutes, but first a few highlights from each segment during the quarter. Starting with our consumer segment, which includes our retail and direct to consumer distribution channels. We continue to investing in expanding our suite of consumer banking products available both digitally and across our expansive retail network. For example, GoToBank is being rolled out to an additional 30,000 retail locations nationwide, including Kroger, Walmart, Family Dollar, Walgreens, Dollar Tree, and others. Now, consumers can acquire our best-in-class digital bank account at more than 63,000 retail locations, and we plan to surpass 70,000 by the end of the year. As you know, the opportunity to display and market our GoToBank products across this vast retail network is a powerful competitive advantage for building brand awareness, trust, and loyalty. We also introduced rebranded Green Dot Bank products in 700 of the nearly 10,000 7-Eleven locations nationwide, and we'll continue expanding our presence in 7-Eleven stores in the months to come. Looking at Walmart, we've continued strengthening and deepening this important partnership by introducing new tools and capabilities that are highly valuable to customers, and we are also ramping up marketing efforts to drive acquisition. The conversion of Walmart money cards to demand deposit accounts earlier this year gives Walmart's million-plus money card customers full access to digital-first banking and checking account features. We are collaborating closely with Walmart to elevate our customer acquisition efforts for this product, both through direct mail and digital marketing. This is a clear example of our ability to work with our retail partners as they build out omni-channel ecosystems and extend their financial service offerings beyond the store presence only and into the digital ecosystem where customers are increasingly seeking convenient payment and money movement solutions. We also announced partnerships with Finicity and Experian aimed at empowering customers with tools and features to help them build, improve, and protect their credit. These solutions reinforce our commitment to understanding and serving our core customers who tend to be low to moderate income consumers living paycheck to paycheck who can greatly benefit from seamless, affordable, accessible solutions. Now, moving over to the B2B segment, which includes BAS, or Banking Platform Services as we call it, and our employer platform, Rapid. Starting with Banking Platform Services, This is one of our main areas of strategic investment and growth at Green Dot, as we partner with some of the most highly respected and innovative brands in the world to design and deliver seamless banking and payment solutions for their customers. As we focus on strengthening our technical foundation internally, we are also upgrading the talent that supports our partners. The combination of great tech and great talent is what brings exceptional products to market. For example, last month, And to it, the global technology platform that makes QuickBooks launched a new service, Money by QuickBooks, the latest addition to QuickBooks comprehensive solution suite powering small business. The Money by QuickBooks mobile app gives entrepreneurs, freelancers, and sole proprietors complete control over their money with the ability to accept payments and manage expenses, plus debit card and bill payment capabilities and more. Green Dot is proud to be the banking platform service provider behind this important new offering from QuickBooks. Another one of our partners, Cabbage from American Express, has begun increasing acquisition marketing for their Cabbage checking account, which is also powered by Green Dot. Serving and powering America's small business with seamless, safe, value-driven banking and cash management solutions is something Green Dot is well positioned for. By partnering with companies like Cabbage and Intuit, we're building and delivering solutions that are designed to reduce stress, save money, and build confidence for today's small business owners through solutions like small business banking and checking, bill pay, remote check capture, debit cards, and rewards. We anticipate continued scalable growth in years to come from our banking platform services business, as we work closely with partners to roll out these innovative, in-demand solutions that are designed for today's small business owners and consumers. Now, over to our employer platform business, branded as Rapid. This business saw solid growth in Q3, with revenues up 20% year over year and quarterly actives up 14% year over year. We added 295 employers during the quarter, bringing our total to nearly 5,500 small and medium-sized businesses, a 19% year-on-year increase. And we continue to see growth from new client acquisitions and expansion as the economy recovers. Wrapping up with our third segment, money movement, which includes money processing, also known as Green Dot Network or GDN, and our tax processing business known as TPG. We launched 11 new GDN partner programs during the quarter, including PayActive, Alterna Prepaid, Spruce, WealthEye, and others. And we expanded cash disbursements at Walmart by launching ADP Cash Out, allowing end users or employees to cash out funds as needed from their pay card at Walmart locations. This is a very valuable feature to these workers. Now looking at tax processing, or TPG, In the third quarter, as we saw continued shifts in refunds from tax delays, we remained focused on enhancing our tax processing business and platform. It was announced that we will not be moving forward with the acquisition of TRS. Though we are disappointed, this decision does not detract from the strength or potential of our tax processing business, nor does it alter our strategy to invest in our tax processing platform to enhance long-term sustainable growth. Our tax business remains strong, highly efficient, and well positioned in the marketplace. We will continue to execute on our plan to grow the business by leveraging a strong reputation, differentiated product set, and exceptional client experience. To summarize, we are very pleased with the quarter's results, our year-over-year growth, and increase in average revenue per card. These are early indicators that our new mindset to focus on higher quality, sustainable bottom line growth is taking hold. With that, I'm very happy to introduce our new Chief Finance and Chief Operating Officer and fellow board member, George Gresham. George's knowledge and experience successfully leading financial and operational strategies in our industry is unparalleled, and we are grateful to have him on board. Now I'll pass it over to George.

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Green Dot

Thank you, Dan. It is a privilege to be here and join you and the Green Dot team. Some of those listening in on the call might be wondering how you got me back to work full-time, and that's a good question. As I look at the landscape of companies looking to address branchless banking opportunities or service the community of Americans that have so long been ignored by traditional banks, I ask myself, what arrows in the quiver would I want to have at the ready? I would want a world-class direct-to-consumer capability. I would want the broadest and deepest money network in the country. I would want to be associated with world-class partners like Walmart and Uber, and I would want to control my own destiny with a bank charter. I would also want other synergistic distribution capabilities that serve the same community. And finally, I would want a great team to collaborate with on this mission to bring great financial solutions to those in need. So that's the answer, and I couldn't be more excited to be back at it. Thank you, Dan, and now I'll pass it over to Jess.

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Dan

Thanks, Dan and George. Good afternoon, everyone. Before I get into the quarter, I'd like to welcome George to his first Green Dot earnings call. I got to know George as a Green Dot board member a few years ago, and he's a great addition to the team that Dan has assembled. I'm excited he is here. Now moving to the quarter, we had strong results, delivering $329 million of non-GAAP revenues, up 18% year over year. Despite continuing to invest back into our modern banking platform and customer service, We expanded our adjusted EBITDA margin by 200 basis points through a combination of organic growth, new revenue streams, such as our consumer-friendly overdraft protection program, and maintaining a fixed cost structure, resulting in adjusted EBITDA of $46 million and non-GAAP EPS of $0.43. We continue to produce substantial cash flow, generating $147 million of operating cash flow year-to-date, and our cash at the holding company at quarter end was $153 million. Our cash balance and the strength of our operating cash flow, together with our $100 million revolver available to us, provide us with sufficient liquidity to invest in our strategic initiatives. Now I want to turn our focus to our segment results and key trends. In our consumer services segment, we grew segment revenues and profit despite some headwinds to our key metrics. So first I'll focus on the metrics. Gross dollar volume declined 18% in part due to a decline in unemployment benefits and the timing of tax refund payments. In Q3 2020, the federal government provided supplemental unemployment benefits of $600 per week. Those benefits were reduced to $300 per week in 2021 and expired in early September 2021. Additionally, tax filing deadlines in 2020 were extended, which resulted in a portion of refund volumes shifting from the second quarter to the third quarter of 2020. Likewise, our active accounts and direct deposit active accounts declined 15% and 9% respectively due to these year-over-year changes and because of our continued efforts to protect our customers, working tirelessly and investing to mitigate and prevent fraudulent activity that has negatively impacted the financial services as a whole this year. Despite these headwinds to our key metrics, we generated revenue growth of 17 million, or 11%, profit growth of 8 million, or 17%, and segment margin expansion of 170 basis points. This growth was due to customer adoption of new, profitable features offered on our account programs, while also making growth-oriented investments in customer experience and experiencing growth in transaction losses. In our B2B services segment, gross dollar volume, purchase volume, and the number of active accounts grew year-over-year by 57%, 24%, and 14%, respectively. The increase in these metrics were the result of continued growth in our VAST programs, both existing and new, and growth in our employer programs. As a result of the strong growth in these metrics, our B2B segment revenue increased. Processing costs and transaction losses also increased due to higher volumes, and we continue to invest in driving improved customer experience. Overall, our B2B segment revenue grew $41 million, or 53%, and profit grew $2 million, or 13%. As expected, the segment margin declined year-over-year, consistent with the first half, from past partner arrangements that contained a fixed profit. In our money movement segment, our revenues declined year-over-year from our decision not to renew a significant low-margin reload partner in Q4 2020 that we've discussed on our prior earnings calls. Although revenues declined, segment profits still increased due to the growth in other ancillary tax processing services offered through our tax business and the loss of low-margin cash transfer revenue. Overall, our money movement segment revenue declined $11 million, or 19%, and profit grew $1 million, or 4%. Now I'd like to focus on guidance for the remainder of 2021. For raising our non-GAAP revenue guidance in light of our Q3 performance, and expectations for the remainder of the year to a range of $1.37 billion to $1.38 billion. We are reiterating the midpoint of our adjusted EBITDA range while tightening the low and high end to $217 million to $223 million. Based on our strong year-to-date performance and opportunities for growth in 2022 and beyond, we believe it's prudent to continue making growth-oriented investments in Q4. We are raising our non-GAAP EPS range to $2.19 to $2.27 to reflect our tightened adjusted EBITDA range and refinements in our assumption for the weighted average share count. Based on the midpoint of our adjusted EBITDA range, the implied fourth quarter earnings are approximately $38 million. This figure reflects our reinvestment of profit upside back into our modern banking platform, customer service, and go-to bank, and as a result, We anticipate our consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin to decline both year-over-year and sequentially from Q3. Keep in mind that we expect our corporate and other costs to increase in the fourth quarter as we invest in our new modern banking platform. We expect this investment to begin delivering a payback in 2022 with a reduction in processing expenses, which will become more substantial in 2023. We've made significant progress thus far in 2021, elevating our workforce, both at the executive level and more broadly, making growth-oriented investments in our platform and our products, and fostering an improved culture of customer service. Although we still have work to be done, we're proud of the milestones we've achieved and the results we've delivered. We look forward to closing the year out strong and building on that momentum in 2022. With that, I'll turn it over to Dan for closing remarks.

speaker
Green Dot 's

Thank you, Jess. We are pleased with the results we're delivering while making considerable progress on our plan to become a stronger, leaner, more scalable digital bank in FinTech. As we look to the future and think big picture, we know there's plenty of work ahead of us as we bring branchless banking to the many millions of underserved consumers and small businesses across our country. We are very optimistic about our plan and potential of what we can build with the most differentiated collection of assets in our industry. We will be focused on a few key areas to deliver sustained scalable growth. First, maintaining our focus and investment in our infrastructure and capabilities. Second, exploring opportunities for cross-channel integration and marketing between our partners and across business segments. And third, innovation and accessibility. We will continue to introduce seamless, affordable, and useful products and features and making them more accessible to everyone. There's a lot of work to be done and a lot to look forward to.

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Jess

Thank you.

speaker
Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Our first question today comes from Ramzi Elassal with Barclays.

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Ramzi Elassal

Hi, guys. This is Damian. I'm for Ramzi. Thanks for sending the questions and nice results tonight. There's a lot to talk about here, but perhaps we can start with the B2B segment. Obviously, some nice outperformance there. I'm wondering, Dan, if you could talk a little bit about how you think about the KPIs and you know, in that segment going forward? If I look sequentially, you know, users are down, purchase volume is down, but GDV is up and your revenue is up, you know, can you just kind of talk about how you're framing up, you know, the growth in that segment going forward and what we should be focusing on?

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Green Dot 's

And are you talking specifically about the B2B segment?

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Ramzi Elassal

That's right.

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Green Dot 's

Yeah. So I think... As I see, you know, when we're looking at the B2B business, we are seeing, yes, sequentially active accounts might be down a little bit, but year to year, they're up. So we do look, in terms of key metric force in that segment, we do look at active accounts, yes, but also the total GDV in that segment is also a real important indicator. We had the Money 2020 conference last week, and I met with a number of our partners in that business. And I came away more enthusiastic than ever about the path we're on in terms of, you know, kind of embedding ourselves as the digital payments, uh, financial service provider to many of these key partners, some really exciting things on the horizon, I believe.

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Jess

Yeah, I agree.

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Ramzi Elassal

Um, then maybe I'll, I'll pivot here and, um, Ask a question about the Republic deal, the tax processing deal. If there's anything you could call out about why the regulator didn't approve that, or was it something particular about the asset, or maybe it was your use of capital generally? And maybe related to that, you talked about a sizable cash position, the $153 million of cash. What's kind of the plan to deploy that in absence of the Republic deal? Thanks.

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Green Dot 's

Sure. As we've said before, we were disappointed on the TRS transaction, but we're really not allowed to comment on the result there or any comments from our regulators on it. It was a transaction we saw as a pretty nice little tuck-in to our tax business, but it by no means was anything mission critical to our long-term strategic growth holistically at Green Dot. So kind of a disappointing bump in the road, if you will. In terms of excess cash on the balance sheet, there's a handful of things we can do with that excess cash. I'm going to give George Gresham a few more weeks or so here before we start making any sort of determinations on what we do with that cash.

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Jess

Fair enough. Thanks.

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Operator

Our next question comes from Mayank Tandon with Needham.

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Needham

Hey, good evening, guys. This is actually Kyle Peterson for Mile. Thanks for taking the questions. Just wanted to touch a little bit on kind of the move to self-processing that you guys are describing. It seems like we're going to get a first leg of benefits through efficiencies in 22 and then eventually get the full benefit in 23 and beyond. How do you guys think about the benefits, whether it's in terms of you know, a payback period or in terms of like percentage cost savings or like how should we think about, you know, that investment and what that could do to, you know, margins and efficiency moving forward?

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Green Dot 's

I'll let Jess talk about kind of what they can do from a margins standpoint or maybe some expense reductions. And then I'll add just, you know, I think much, much more importantly what they can do in terms of opening up our position in this transition to digital in this country.

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Dan

Yeah, and on the financial side, as we've talked about before, the cost of the new platforms is relatively fixed. And what we have today in PTS and some of the other processes we're using is very much a variable cost that grows as our base grows. So as we convert over to the new platform, what you'll see in terms of P&L reductions across the consumer segment and the B2B segment is principally a reduction in processing costs. while at the same time the software costs are sitting in our corporate another and remaining relatively flat even as we grow so you'll start to see margin enhancement in the consumer segment and b2b segment certainly be more pronounced when we get into 2023 when the platforms are fully operational and this you know from an operational side is as she has mentioned we're you know

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Green Dot 's

By bringing this, creating our own platform and having that in-house, we take a variable cost and we make it fixed. And so then when we talk about Green Dot as a bank and a finance institution and our ability to create and embed digital demand deposit accounts seamlessly and almost an extremely, I mean, extremely, if not almost a free cost of embedding those accounts into the apps and experiences of our major partners. That is why this effort is such a game changer for us here at Green Dot.

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Needham

Got it. That's really helpful. And maybe as a follow-up, could you just talk about how we should think about some of the moving pieces basically between active accounts and whether it's like a take rate or yield in the consumer and B2B segments moving forward? I know there's been... a little bit of churn from, you know, stimulus and COVID and such. But it seems like at least the customers that are sticking have kind of higher per-account economics. But, like, maybe if you could describe how we should think about the balance of those two over the next few quarters and when that should kind of normalize out.

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Green Dot 's

Kyle, I think you highlighted the most important point on that is – you look at the quality, if you will, of those accounts in terms of revenue and profit that they generate is increasing. And the last 18, 20 months of delayed tax filings and tax return dates, stimulus payments, child tax credits, enhanced unemployment benefits, it has really kind of created an unpredictable slash turbulent environment, if you will, from driving consumer behavior in terms of picking up our products. So what we have continued to focus on through these times is improving our offering, quality of our service, and our products so that we are building our customer base to have a larger percentage of them committed to our products through meaningful direct deposit, making us their primary bank account, embracing our consumer-friendly overdraft, products and driving that, you know, continue to drive our profitability, even though we've seen, you know, kind of a moderate decline in the active accounts quarter on quarter. In terms of when will this normalize, you know, I believe that we've got simultaneously what we're doing is, you Focusing with our launch of GoToBank into our new direct consumer initiative, we're migrating customers from legacy portfolios to our new GoToBank offering. That's happening at the same time, as I've mentioned already, many of the other market forces of COVID and stimulus payments and unemployment benefits is happening. So your guess probably is as good as mine when the world gets back to normal. But I would suspect that 12, 18 months from now, we're going to be in a spot where our performance will clearly be visible.

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Jess

Got it. Appreciate the color. Nice quarter. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

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Operator

Our next question comes from George Sutton with Craig Hallam.

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George Sutton

Thank you. Guys, I think your performance was clearly visible this quarter. So congratulations and welcome to George. Fabulous name to have. So Dan, I wanted to make sure I understood the new collaboration efforts with Walmart. And if you could just detail that a little bit more. And as an aside to that, you know, we get probably the most confused questions from clients around the Ribbit Walmart relationship. So if you can just discuss that in totality and and relative to their decision not to pursue a bank charter. Thanks.

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Green Dot 's

Sure, George. Thanks for the question and the comments. I'm not able to comment on whatever Rivet and Walmart are deciding in their strategy around that. What I can comment on is what I haven't said in the past. even probably with more confidence and clarity after last week when we met with a number of Walmart colleagues at Money 2020, is that the programs that we have in Walmart, the Walmart money card programs, the solutions we have through the Walmart money centers, those are very important to Walmart and very important to Walmart customers. And we collectively, us from Green Dot and our friends at Walmart, talked about how we've been partnered with Walmart for 20 years. And there's a lot of new faces in Walmart financial services, as there are a lot of new faces here at Green Dot. And so we were able to be pretty honest with one another and say that for a partnership that's been around for 20 years, to have around a million Walmart money card customers isn't that impressive. So I can't tell you how thrilled I am with the new and renewed energy that we have and commitment between Green Dot and Walmart to significantly grow that base of customers, and not just with a plastic card, but with embedded payments and solutions for Walmart customers in all points of access that Walmart has. More on that as the quarters unfold, but again, my level of confidence and excitement about our partnership with Walmart is stronger than ever.

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George Sutton

One other thing, if I could, you mentioned strengthening your technical foundation in part with some of the the upside that you're getting on the revenue side driving additional money to be spent. Can you just give us some sense of what you're referring to relative to that technical foundation?

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Green Dot 's

It really kind of spans the entire platform, George. So it's primarily, first and foremost, building our own platform of our own core banking and card management system and then surrounding that all systems that will provide better customer service, better efficiencies on our part, better controls, better security for the company and for its consumers.

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Jess

Awesome. Thank you very much. Thank you, George.

speaker
Operator

And again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. Our next question comes from Lance Jesseroon with Jefferies.

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Jess

Hey, I appreciate you taking my call. I just wanted to talk about the BAS platform over the next three to five years. I kind of wanted to see what you think the growth is going to be, you know, whether it's new partners versus growth that exists as partners.

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Green Dot 's

Lance, you cut out a little bit there. And so, I mean, Jess, I don't know if you heard that question well, but I think, Lance, your question is more about where's growth coming from and what's the mix. Is that correct?

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Jess

Yeah, sorry about that. You know, with the BAS platform, the new versus existing.

speaker
Green Dot 's

So on the BAS platform, are we going to see growth coming from new partners or existing partners? Correct.

speaker
Dan

Sorry.

speaker
Green Dot 's

All right. Jess, you want to take a shot at that and I'll add color?

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Dan

Yeah. Yeah, I think in the near term – You're going to see quite a bit of – we're excited about the existing customers we've had on the platform for some time. We've seen continued growth there. As we know, we've launched a few new partners at the end of last year, and those are gaining traction. So I think in the near term, a lot of growth will come from those existing partnerships. And then, of course, our BAS team has a very active pipeline. So it's hard to say long-term how that mix is going to shake out, but I think As Dan has mentioned on previous earnings calls, there's so much opportunity with the existing base of customers that we have, but the growth rates there are appealing enough. But I would expect that our team will add new customers to that platform in the quarters and years to come.

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Jess

And as a little bit of a follow-up there, what are some of the criteria you look at when you choose the partners?

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Green Dot 's

When we're choosing our partners on that platform, what we're looking for is either partners that have already achieved significant scale and have a large customer base that can benefit from the digital payment solutions that we can bring, or we look for smaller – if they're not large partners with large scale currently, we look for partners that have what we would believe are the ingredients for significant growth. A great example we have of that is Stash, one of our current partners that when we started working with them, they were just getting started and now they've grown quite significantly. So it's really, and I've said this on these calls since the beginning, is that our collection of assets is really unmatched inside the payments and FinTech space. So on a bank charter to have 90,000 points of distribution, the reload network of 90,000 locations, the partners that we have, our technology stack, we really want to keep our energy focused on areas of the highest and best return. And so the approach of going out and signing up, chasing fintechs to ride on our banking platform Just to get the biggest number of fintechs, I don't want to take that shotgun approach of strategy. We want to focus and drive deep with our existing partners because the size and scale potential of our existing partners is more than enough to triple the size of Green Dot currently and then be quite selective on other new partners that we bring in.

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Jess

Thank you very much. Thank you.

speaker
Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Dan Henry for some closing remarks.

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Green Dot 's

Well, that was pretty short and sweet, and I want to thank everybody for time and interest and support. We are continuing to work hard here. We're going to be continuing to invest in the growth of this business, and we intend to continue to deliver bottom line growth in this business. So thank you, everyone, very much, and we'll talk to you soon.

speaker
Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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