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spk06: And welcome to the GEO Group second quarter 2021 earnings call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Pablo Paez, Executive Vice President of Corporate Relations. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for today's discussion of the GEO Group's second quarter 2021 earnings results. With us today are George Zoli, Executive Chairman of the Board, Jose Gordo, Chief Executive Officer, Brian Evans, Chief Financial Officer, Ann Schlarb, President of GeoCare, and James Black, President of GeoSecure Services. This morning, we will discuss our second quarter results and our outlook. We will conclude the call with a question and answer session. This conference call is also being webcast live on our investor website at investors.geogroup.com. Today, we will discuss non-GAAP basis information. A reconciliation for non-GAAP basis information to GAAP basis results is included in the press release and supplemental disclosure we issued this morning. Additionally, much of the information we will discuss today, including the answers we give in response to your questions, may include forward-looking statements regarding our beliefs and current expectations with respect to various matters. These forward-looking statements are intended to fall within the safe harbor provisions of the securities laws. Our actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements, as a result of various factors contained in our Securities and Exchange Commission filings, including the Form 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K reports. With that, please allow me to turn this call over to our Executive Chairman, George Zolle. George?
spk12: Thank you, Pablo, and good morning to everyone. It is my pleasure to welcome our new CEO, Jose Gordo, and our new president of GeoSecure Services, James Black, who are joining Brian and myself on today's call. We are pleased with our strong second quarter results and our increased financial guidance for the full year. We believe our financial performance during the second quarter is representative of the resiliency and strength of our diversified business segments. Our better-than-expected performance was driven by continued favorable cost trends, as well as higher occupancies at our U.S. Marshalls and ICE facilities, and increased revenue and earnings from our electronic monitoring segment. Since the end of the first quarter, the census at our U.S. Marshalls facilities has increased by approximately 10%. And the overall census at our ICE facilities has increased by approximately 100% during the same period. With respect to the Bureau of Prisons, we completed the previously announced transition of our Great Plains correctional facility to an idle status in May of 2021. We are actively marketing our Great Plains facility and our other idle facilities for use by other state and federal agencies. As we highlighted previously, the President issued an executive order in January of this year directing the U.S. Attorney General not to renew Department of Justice contracts with privately operated criminal detention facilities. Our base case assumption continues to be that our remaining BOP prison contracts will not be renewed, resulting in two additional BOP correctional facilities closing in November 2021. It is important to note that during the second quarter of 2021, we successfully renewed five BOP reentry contracts, which are not expected to be impacted by the executive order. In fact, we are pleased to have been recently awarded a new BOP contract for a reentry center in the Tampa area, which is the first new BOP residential reentry contract awarded to GEO in several years. With respect to the U.S. Marshals Service, we are continuing to cooperate with the agency in assessing various alternatives on how to comply with the executive order, which appears to be focused on direct contracts with private sector service providers. The U.S. Marshals do not own or operate facilities and instead contract for capacity primarily through intergovernmental agreements and to a lesser extent direct contracts. We operate three facilities that are under direct contracts and nine facilities that are under intergovernmental agreements with the U.S. Marshals. Despite the challenges of the COVID pandemic and the impact of the executive order on our BOP prison contracts, we are pleased with the strong performance of our diversified business segments. We are proud of our frontline employees who have demonstrated significant strength and dedication over the past year and a half. They have continued to provide humane and compassionate care to all those entrusted to our facilities and programs. Understanding the challenges our government agency partners face in carrying out their missions during a pandemic, we invested significant resources to mitigate the impact of COVID-19. including $2 million in 45 Abbott rapid testing devices and $3.7 million in bipolar ionization air purification systems. We recognize that in addition to the challenges that I just discussed, there have been certain concerns regarding our future access to financing. We have adopted a proactive and multifaceted approach to address these challenges. We believe these initiatives are in the best interest of our shareholders and other stakeholders as we work to address our debt maturities and enhance long-term shareholder value. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Brian Evans to address these initiatives in more detail and review our results and guidance.
spk09: Thank you, George. Good morning, everyone. Today we reported second quarter revenues of approximately $565 million and net income attributable to GEO of $42 million. Our second quarter results include $7.5 million pre-tax in one-time employee restructuring expenses, a $3 million pre-tax loss on real estate assets, and a $1.7 million pre-tax gain on the extinguishment of debt. and $100,000 in the tax-effective adjustments to net income attributable to GEO. Excluding these items, we reported second quarter adjusted net income of 42 cents per diluted share and AFO of 71 cents per diluted share. Our better-than-expected performance during the second quarter was driven by continued favorable cost trends, higher occupancies at our U.S. Marshalls and ICE facilities, and increased revenue and earnings from our electronic monitoring segments. Moving to our outlook, we have increased our full year 2021 financial guidance to reflect these better than expected results. We expect full year 2021 net income attributable to GEO to be in a range of $167.5 million to $174.5 million on a full year 2021 revenues of approximately $2.23 billion. We expect full year 2021 adjusted net income to be in a range of $1.34 to $1.40 per diluted share. We expect full-year 2021 AFO to be in a range of $2.51 to $2.57 per diluted share. We expect full-year 2021 adjusted EBITDA to be in a range of $441.5 million to $448.5 million. As we had previously guided, our 2021 projections account for the expected non-renewal of two additional BOP prison contracts, The big spring and flight line facilities in Texas, which have options periods expiring at the end of November. For the third quarter of 2021, we expect net income attributable to GEO to be in a range of $39 to $42 million on quarterly revenues of $548 to $553 million. We expect third quarter 2021 AFFO to be between 62 and 64 cents per diluted share. For the fourth quarter of 2021, we expect net income attributable to GEO to be in a range of $36 million to $40 million on quarterly revenues of $538 million to $543 million. We also expect fourth quarter 2021 AFO to be between 59 and 63 cents per diluted share. Moving to our capital structure, at the end of the second quarter, we had approximately $483 million in cash on hand resulting from the previously announced drawdown of our revolving credit facility. Our decision to draw on our revolver was a conservative precautionary step to preserve liquidity, maintain financial flexibility, and obtain additional funds for general corporate purposes. We will revisit the revolver drawdown at the end of the next quarter. Accounting for our $483 million of cash on hand, our net recourse debt currently stands at $2.1 billion not including non-recourse debt, finance lease obligations, or the mortgage on our corporate headquarters. With our current cash on hand and improving financial outlook, we expect to continue to proactively examine our options to address our funded recourse debt in due course, including our near-term maturities, which encompass our 2023 and 2024 senior unsecured notes and our senior secured credit facilities. Our earnings and cash flows have continued to exceed our prior expectations, and we believe we will be able to address our debt maturities in due course on reasonable terms. We recognize there have been concerns regarding our future access to financing. We have adopted a proactive approach to address this concern as we continue to focus on debt reduction and deleveraging. In 2020, we reduced our net recourse debt by approximately 100 million dollars. During the first half of 2021, we further reduced net recourse debt by approximately $105 million, representing significant progress toward our previously articulated goal of reducing net recourse debt by between $125 and $150 million in 2021. We intend to remain focused on debt reduction and deleveraging during the second half of the year. Given our improved financial performance, we are increasing our target range for net recourse debt reduction to at least $150 million to $175 million in 2021. Our multifaceted strategy also includes various initiatives we have previously announced, including our exploration of potential asset sale opportunities and our engagement of financial and legal advisors to assist us in reviewing capital structure alternatives. As mentioned on prior earnings call, We suspended our quarterly dividend as our board continues to study our corporate tax structure. We expect to conclude our evaluation in the fourth quarter of 2021, and if we decide to maintain our REIT status, an additional dividend payment may be required before year end in order to meet the minimum REIT distribution requirements under the tax code. The substantial majority of such dividend would be paid in stock and the remainder would be paid in cash. With respect to asset sales, during the first half of the year, we completed the sale of three real estate assets in our reentry segment, totaling approximately 700 beds. On July 1st, we also completed the sale of certain non-real estate assets in our youth services segment. On a combined basis, these sales generated net proceeds of approximately $27 million. At this time, I will turn the call over to James Black for a review of our geosecure services segment.
spk01: Thank you, Brian. Good morning, everyone. It is my pleasure to join you today to provide an update on our GEO Secure Services business unit. During the first half of 2021, our frontline employees have continued to address the ongoing challenges associated with the COVID-19 pandemic. Throughout the global pandemic, we have implemented several mitigation initiatives. Our Secure Services facilities put in place policies and controls consistent with guidance issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, including practices and procedures related to quarantine, cohorting, and medical isolation. We continue to exercise paid leave and paid time off policies to allow our employees to remain home as needed. We have made face masks and cleaning supplies available to all of our facilities. We made a significant investment of $2 million to deploy Abbott RABID testing devices across our facilities, which has allowed us to screen new arrivals at intake so that positive COVID-19 cases can be properly quarantined and isolated. Through the end of the second quarter, we administered over 137,000 COVID tests at our secure services facility. We also invested $3.7 million to install bipolar ionization systems at select secure service facilities to reduce the spread of airborne bacteria and viruses. Over the course of this year, we have been working closely with our government agency partners and local health departments to make vaccinations available at all of our facilities. At the end of the second quarter, over 26,000 COVID vaccinations had been administered at our secure service facilities. We are continuously evaluating our mitigation steps and will make adjustments based on updated guidance by the CDC and other best practices. With respect to our recent operational activity, in May, we completed the previously announced ramp down and deactivation of our Great Plains BOP facility in Oklahoma. As we have discussed, in January of this year, The President issued an executive order directing the U.S. Attorney General to not renew Department of Justice contracts with privately operated criminal detention facilities. As a result, we continue to prepare operationally with the expectation that our remaining prison contracts with the BOP will not be renewed when the current option periods expire, including our big spring and flight line facilities in Texas which expire at the end of November 2021. During the second quarter, we experienced an increase in census levels across our U.S. Marshals and ICE facilities. As we have noted previously, unlike the BOP, the U.S. Marshals do not own and operate their facilities. The U.S. Marshals contract for bed capacity, which is generally located in areas near federal courthouses to house pretrial offenders who have been charged with federal crimes. The U.S. Marshals contract for facilities primarily through intergovernmental agreements and to a lesser extent, direct contracts. We currently operate three detention facilities that are under direct contracts and nine detention facilities that are under intergovernmental agreements with the U.S. Marshals. The three direct contracts are up for renewal at various times over the next few years including one in late 2021. We are cooperating with the U.S. Marshals to assess various alternatives on how to comply with the executive order, which appears to be focused on direct contracts. With respect to our ICE processing centers, the executive order did not cover agencies outside of the Department of Justice. Our ICE processing centers are highly rated by national accreditation organizations and provide high-quality services in a safe and humane environment. All those entrusted to our care are provided culturally sensitive meals approved by a registered dietitian, clothing, 24-7 access to healthcare services, and full access to telephones and legal services. Recreational amenities at our ice processing centers include flat-screen TVs in the housing areas, multi-purpose rooms, outdoor covered pavilions, and artificial turf soccer fields. Healthcare staffing at our ice processing centers is approximately more than double that of our state correctional facilities. This higher level of healthcare staffing is needed to provide appropriate treatment for individuals who have numerous and diverse health and mental health needs. We have provided these high-quality professional services for over 30 years under Democratic and Republican administrations. Moving to our state segment, the census level at our state correctional facilities have remained stable. And during the most recent state legislative sessions, we were pleased to have received approval for additional funding to support per diem increases and wage increases or bonuses at some of our facilities. In Florida, our managed-only contracts for the Bay, Moorhaven, and Graceville facilities were part of a recent rebid procurement. which initially resulted in an award to a different service provider. Following a protest of the procurement, we were able to retain the management contract for the Moorhaven facility and will transition the Graceville and Bay contracts during the third quarter. Finally, with respect to new procurements, we will be responding to the state of Arizona, which has issued a request for proposal for up to 2,700 beds which can be located either in-state or out-of-state. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Ann for a review of GeoCare.
spk07: Thank you, James, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to update you on our GeoCare business unit. During the first half of the year, our facilities and our employees have remained focused on our COVID-19 mitigation strategies. All of our residential facilities have put in place quarantine and cohorting policies and additional entry screening measures. We have focused our efforts on increased sanitation, testing, and deploying face masks. And our employees continue to have access to paid leave and paid time off to remain home as needed. We continue to evaluate our mitigation steps and will make adjustments as appropriate and necessary based on updated guidance by the CDC and other best practices. Despite the challenging operational environment, our employees have continued to strive to deliver high-quality rehabilitation and reentry programming to those in our care, often in innovative ways, including through virtual technology. During the second quarter, our Geo Reentry Services Division successfully renewed 14 residential reentry contracts, totaling more than 2,300 beds, including five reentry contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. We were also recently awarded a new contract with the BOP for a 118-bed residential reentry center in the Tampa, Florida area, which we expect to activate in the second half of 2021. This represents the first new BOP residential reentry contract awarded to Geocare in several years. With respect to our youth services division, on July 1st, we completed a divestiture of the division, which has been reorganized as a separate independent not-for-profit 501c3. The divestiture included the sale of certain non-real estate assets for total consideration of approximately $10 million. This sale resulted in the assignment of our youth services management contract to the independent not-for-profit entity. GeoCare retained the ownership of our youth services real estate assets and has entered into lease agreements for the six company-owned youth facilities. Moving to our BI electronic monitoring division, we are pleased with our strong performance during the second quarter with revenues growing by more than 7% sequentially from the first quarter of 2021. We remain optimistic regarding future growth opportunities for BI, which provides a full suite of electronic monitoring and supervision solutions with leading market shares across different electronic monitoring products and technologies. Finally, we remain committed to expanding the delivery of our GEO Continuum of Care program, which integrates enhanced in-custody rehabilitation, including cognitive behavioral treatment, with post-release support services such as transitional housing, transportation, clothing, food, and job placement assistance. Our GEO Continuum of Care program is part of GEO's contribution to criminal justice reform. We believe that it provides a proven, successful model on how the 2.2 million people in the criminal justice system can be better served in changing how they live their lives. Our award-winning program is not in competition or in conflict with other national initiatives regarding offender sentencing reforms. In fact, we applaud these efforts. Our efforts seek to draw national attention to the many still incarcerated in need of a more structured and comprehensive approach to rehabilitation. We also believe that the success of our continuum of care positions at GEO to pursue additional quality growth opportunities. At this time, I'll turn the call to our new CEO, Jose Gordo, for closing remarks.
spk00: Thank you, Anne. It's my pleasure to join George and the rest of our talented management team as we work through together to execute on the future strategic direction of our company. As you have heard today, our company's operational and financial performance remains strong, despite the challenges associated with the COVID-19 pandemic and the recent federal policy actions leading to the non-renewal of some of our contracts. We recognize that there have been concerns regarding our future access to financing, and we have taken proactive steps to address these concerns. We believe that our focus on debt reduction, the review of potential asset sales, the evaluation of our corporate tax structure, and the hiring of financial and legal advisors are all prudent steps as we work towards addressing our future debt maturities. We are pleased with the improving financial trends across our diversified business units and we remain focused on enhancing the long-term value of our shareholders. We have provided high-quality professional services for over 30 years at the state and federal level under both Democratic and Republican administrations and under legislative branches controlled by both parties. And we believe that our company remains resilient with strong earnings and cash flows that are supported by valuable real estate assets and diversified contracts entailing essential government services. That completes our remarks, and we would be glad to take questions.
spk06: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Joe Gomez with Noble Capital, please go ahead.
spk04: Thank you. A nice quarter, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.
spk12: Thank you.
spk04: First question I had, it looks like operating expenses as a percent of revenues declined pretty dramatically, both sequentially and year over year. I was wondering if you could give us a little insight as to what is going on there to cause that, and is that a trend you would expect going forward, or do you think the percentage goes back up to a more normal level?
spk09: Well, I think our projections for the second half of the year that reflect it, we expect the operating expenses to increase some as populations at the facilities continue to increase. increase in expense will obviously be offset by increasing revenues as the populations increase. But as we mentioned in the call, that's one of the significant reasons really this quarter, last quarter, and even last year that we've performed better than expected. I think that the cost controls have been very effective at the operational level, especially as we've seen some of these lower occupancy levels. And also, I think we've seen a decline in the level of expense associated with some of the interventions or measures that we had to take to mitigate COVID. We're still experiencing those costs, but they're not as significant maybe as they were historically.
spk04: Right, right. Okay. Thanks on that one. And you mentioned that the ICE populations have increased. I think you said 100%. You know, how close are we or have we broken through, you know, in the contracts, the minimum level guaranteed payment levels? And, you know, what are your guys' thoughts on the potential removal of Title 42 for single adults coming across the border? Yeah.
spk12: With respect to the ICE Census, we're still significantly below some of the minimum guarantees provided in the contract. With regard to Title 42, as revealed most recently in the media, I think there's been a delay in reversing that policy. So we are really unclear as to when, if and when that policy will be reversed. But if it is reversed, we would expect that it would increase the population levels at our ice facilities.
spk04: Okay. And one on the BOP, you know, looking at the BOP website, it says, you know, they have at the end of July, you know, roughly 130,500 inmates. You know, BOP capacity is roughly 135,000, but they're still saying that there's, you know, 9,500 inmates in private facilities. So, you know, simple math would say for their capacity is 135,000, You're adding roughly 10,000 to 130 that they would be over capacity once again. To your knowledge, are they out there expanding capacity any, or is there the potential going forward that if they reached their capacity that they would maybe put a halt to some of this policy that is calling for non-renewals?
spk12: We don't really have a unique insight into their capacity levels other than what you just mentioned. With respect to any organization's facility's capacity levels, I think COVID plays an important factor as to what the true capacity is of any particular facility. because of the need for separation of individuals who may be affected with COVID. We've noticed a slight uptick in our own BOP facilities, and we're watching that, and we are We are a responsive partner to the BOP as to their needs, whether they want to continue these facilities or discontinue them. It's up to them, and I'm sure the COVID situation has something to do with their planning.
spk04: Okay, great. And one last one for me, and I'll get back in queue. You mentioned the Arizona opportunity. Is there anything else out there on the federal or state level in the near to medium term that you guys would be looking to bid on?
spk12: There's nothing that we can publicly discuss at this time.
spk04: Okay. Thank you very much.
spk12: Thank you.
spk06: Our next question comes from Mitra Ramgopal with Siddhoti. Please go ahead.
spk03: Yes. Hi. Good morning, and thanks for taking the questions. First, just wanted to get a sense as we look over to the second half of the year, the guidance with the surge we're seeing in the Delta variant, what do you anticipate it having a material effect on populations and maybe ratcheting it up back with some of the expenses you might have been able to eliminate this last quarter.
spk09: Well, like I said earlier, we have assumed some of the benefit from the cost savings that we've seen, but we continue not to take all of that into account because we do think that those expenses will go up some as revenue goes up. So the run rate for the margin and the performance is a little bit lower in the second half of the year in Q3 and Q4 relative to our performance in Q2.
spk03: Okay, thanks. And could you remind us where you are roughly as it relates to vaccinations among the population and also maybe employees?
spk01: Through the end of the second quarter, we administered over 137,000 COVID tests at our secure service facility.
spk03: Okay, no, that's great. Thanks. And just wanted to touch on the electronic monitoring segment. Clearly, that was nice to go through seeing there, and I'm just curious in terms of, again, maybe for the second half and even longer term, how you see that business maybe ramping?
spk09: So again, we don't get into specific contract or clients exactly what we're assuming on our population targets, but the numbers in the EM market have improved, and we've taken that into account, and there's some continued expected improvement in that during the second half of the year.
spk03: Okay, thanks. Could you maybe just provide a little color on the restructuring expense you saw in the quarter?
spk12: Well, I think we've come up with a plan, a general plan, in coordination with our legal and financial advisors. And we have certain milestones that are embedded in that plan and hope to achieve those milestones within a period of, I would estimate, nine to 12 months. So we have a plan with milestones and we're proceeding on that plan and we hope to complete the plan objectives within nine to 12 months.
spk03: Okay, thanks. And as it relates to maybe right now, the plan is still is to conserve cash, reduce that as opposed to maybe focusing a little more on expansion. I'm just curious maybe on the international front, if there are any opportunities there for you.
spk12: There appears to be some opportunities in Australia that I can't get too specific about, but that we are focusing on Australia at this time.
spk03: Okay, thanks again for taking questions.
spk06: Our next question comes from Henry Coffey with Wedbush. Please go ahead.
spk13: Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. Really two different topics that have come up multiple times, but I'll ask them in my own way. So can you give us an overview of your COVID statistics? You know, how is the disease progressing relative to the overall general population? You know, given your control of that population group, are you having trouble getting people vaccinated? Just, you know, if you gave us a full profile of the prison population as it applies to COVID, that would be insightful and give us some sense of how it compares to the overall population.
spk01: The specific numbers I don't have in front of me, but I can tell you that the numbers are back down to where they were in March of 20. So we are managing this pandemic the best we possibly can. At the end of the second quarter, we had provided over 26,000 COVID vaccinations, and we believe the vaccinations are working. We believe we have a a hold of it, the variant B notwithstanding. But we believe we have managed it effectively and that we have it under control. You know, we've 26,000. Go ahead.
spk13: I'm sorry. 26,000 vaccinations is what percentage of the overall population? And is that 26 divided by two or 26, you know, double shots or whatever is required?
spk01: Total vaccinations, 26,000 total vaccinations, total vaccinations.
spk13: So that's so that's so that's 13,000 inmates. Correct. And that's what percentage of the of the overall prison population of your overall population? About 33%. So about a third of your population is vaccinated. Is there a reason why that's not higher or that's That's kind of like Tennessee or Missouri, which is a very low vaccination rate.
spk12: Well, we can't force individuals to become vaccinated, and some specifically refuse to do so. We make it available to them, but we can't force it.
spk13: Right. So you're running into the same resistance that we're seeing in the general population.
spk12: Yeah, yeah. So as James said previously, in our ICE facilities in particular, we have double the number of health care staff that you would find in a correctional facility. So we have plenty of health care resources on site for anybody who becomes sick. We can treat them. We can separate them if they become sick. adversely symptomatic, we can take them to the hospital. So we have all of the resources we believe that are almost better than the general population. When you think about it, people can walk down the hallway and get immediately treated. But we can't force people to be vaccinated.
spk13: You're up against the same problems that every healthcare professional is up against. You You can take a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.
spk12: Well, I've just been alerted that the 26,000 fully vaccinated is 60% of our population.
spk13: Oh, that's excellent. Now we go from C-minus to you're doing a better job, particularly relative to your geographies.
spk12: Yeah, we had a text message from our healthcare services division to help refresh our memories.
spk13: Well, tell them congratulations. The second question is, you know, as you go through your capital planning, I have my own prejudices on this subject, but what is the thought about preferred and common equity, just Just fattening up the balance sheet, live to play another day, preserve the franchise, and then find avenues for growth, but with a more conservative capital structure.
spk09: Well, I think, as George said, we're continuing and we're working through evaluating what makes the most sense, and we'll progress that over the next six to 12 months. Certainly nothing's off the table.
spk13: We're outsiders looking in with our own opinions. Can you lay out more of the plan for us so we can know, obviously our opinions are just that, our opinions, but if we knew more about the criteria that you were thinking through, that would be constructive as well.
spk09: Well, I think at a high level, our focus is to renegotiate the credit, the bond, the senior credit facility on reasonable terms. We are focused on repaying the debt. We're not looking to take a discount. We'll certainly look at equity, but we're not going to issue equity at these prices. We don't think it's necessary. The company continues to perform well. Our cash flows are are very solid. We're continuing to de-lever. So we think we're in an excellent position to de-lever the company just through operational cash flows and some modest asset sales. And we're going to continue down that path. And as George said, I think in the next six to 12 months, we'll reset the cap structure.
spk13: That's what I was sort of asking something along those lines. Based on your current guidance and cash flow expectations, how much of that would you dedicate towards paying down debt, and how fast do you think you could start paying down the senior notes?
spk09: Well, as we said, this year we're pretty comfortable with the range that we've put out of $150 to $175 million, and I think that's not an unreasonable target going forward, depending on what we ultimately decide to do with our status as a REIT, and that's part of what we're evaluating through the balance of this year, and we'll determine what we expect our leverage to look like over a three- to five-year period.
spk13: Great. Well, thank you for answering my questions, and tell your healthcare people congratulations on a job well done. Thank you.
spk06: Our next question comes from Kirk Lutke with Imperial Capital, please go ahead.
spk05: Hello, everyone. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes, we can. Great. Thanks for taking the question. If I'm reading page 11 of the supplement correctly, the occupancy rates were down sequentially. And I'm just curious. And it looks like at both the state and the federal level. So at the federal level, Is the decline because the Bureau of Prison Population is more than offsetting the increase at ICE and the U.S. Marshals? I just want to confirm that. And then at the state level, I'm not quite sure. Can you give us some color as to what might be happening at the state level?
spk09: I think the state occupancies are pretty stable and probably increasing slightly as George mentioned that BOP populations were down maybe earlier in the quarter, but those have started to trend up. The U.S. Marshalls similarly have improved. I think some of it is just a mix of, and the impact in the quarter of facilities going away and being idle. So, you know, once the facility is out of the calculation for the full quarter, then you don't have the impact of the idle beds. But for facilities that were in place for part of the quarter, you have the facilities, you know, they have revenue-producing beds for one-third or two-thirds of the quarter, and then the rest of the period they're empty. So because of some of the transition that's going on at some of these facilities during the quarter with facilities becoming idle, I think that's skewing the number some.
spk05: Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. A quick question on
spk09: monitoring is the growth capex that you spend there is is that required under the contract or is that capex you can you can cut off if the growth rates don't materialize so some of the capex there the growth capex as you would expect is developmental to continue to improve the services and the products that we have some of it is related to changes in technology the cellular platform that the model, the GPS units currently operate on is changing in a couple years. And so we're transitioning to that. And then some of it, yes, is just driven by increased number of units that need to be in the system. And if that were to change, then obviously we reduce the capex associated with that. So it's kind of a mix of all three.
spk05: Yeah, that makes sense. Well, maybe they asked a little bit differently. If the growth doesn't materialize, what would you expect? Can you give us a range as to what CapEx would be for monitoring?
spk09: On an ongoing basis, I think including the transition to the new cellular technology over the next couple of years, you're probably looking at $25 million or so a year.
spk05: Okay. That's... That's helpful, thank you. The asset sales, the facilities you sold during the quarter, were those sold with a contract?
spk09: No, so as we've articulated in the past, the asset sales are primarily related to facilities that are currently inactive. There may be a few that we're looking at that are underutilized, but none of the facilities that have been sold thus far are underutilized. active facilities.
spk05: Great. Thank you. So is that divestiture price per bed? Is that something? I know these were reentry facilities, but is that a way to value or substantiate the value of the other idle facilities? Is there any reason why that would not be a good methodology to use?
spk09: I don't think there's enough there to be able to do it that way because these facilities are located in a lot of times in urban settings and there's different economic factors going on in some of those urban areas. Some of them there's more development and positive growth so the assets may have greater value and in some locations they're not as much. So you can't really do it on a take all of that and measure it across the whole portfolio?
spk12: They're very small-scale facilities. They're sometimes located in residential areas. They really don't compare well with the large-scale high-security facilities that we operate in the Secure Services Division.
spk05: I appreciate it. Thank you. And then one last question, if I may. I forgot something on With respect to monitoring, I think you've probably answered this before, but I'm just, I was hoping to revisit. What are the synergies between monitoring and your core business, and does the outlook for monitoring change if it's not affiliated with GEO? Good or bad?
spk09: Well, I think, as we've said, we provide a sort of a spectrum of services and the electronic monitoring is in the non-secure setting. There is some overlap between our reentry residential contracts that use some of the electronic monitoring services that we provide, but generally, they're independent business lines. Our secure services businesses separate contracts, RFP processes that are reentry facilities, separate contracts, and separate RFP processes. And all of the electronic monitoring business is separate contracts, RFP processes, and really has the most, the EM business has the most broad or diversified clientele with over, I think, over 1,000 contracts and in all 50 states across federal, state, and local services, but they're not integrated contracts between corrections, reentry, and electronic monitoring. They're all separately bid programs.
spk12: And it's a separate organization with corporate offices in Colorado with, I think, approximately 300 people.
spk05: Interesting. Do you disclose the split mandates by customer anywhere?
spk09: Or would you? No, our mandates are provided, I think, between our types of facilities, like secure, non-secure, and along those lines, but not specifically by customer.
spk05: Okay, thank you. That's all I have. Thank you.
spk06: Our next question comes from Joseph with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
spk02: Good morning. Thanks for the call. Given you have two locations that came offline and you have five of the reentry coming back online and some assets sitting idle, could you give us a little more color on what the cost is to have an idled facility? what it entails to, I guess, maybe keep it warm and ready to go, and then some of the costs to launch or restart a facility and what kind of costs that entails.
spk12: Well, you have the depreciation cost of a facility, and that could be, on our large-scale facilities, a million dollars or more. slightly more, then you probably have the cost of approximately two to three on-site individuals that would be looking after the facilities, somebody for HVAC, somebody for plumbing, somebody for electrical and security devices. Then there's the cost of the utilities that, you know, The toilets have to be flushed. The lights have to be turned on, that kind of thing. So it could be a couple of million dollars a year. And then the primary startup costs are for people. It's hiring the people and getting them trained to take on their jobs. And that usually takes 30 to 60 days. So you don't
spk02: You don't keep a skeleton security staff ready to go. You would lay off the staff other than the maintenance crew that you discussed? Yeah. Okay. And then just switching gears, on a dividend, what percentage would need to be in cash to to maintain the REIT status, and how much could be in kind?
spk09: Well, the current rules right now, I think, are the minimum split is 80-20. So you can go above that, but you can't go less than that. So 20% at least has to be in cash to qualify.
spk02: And how much of your revenues are attributed to REIT revenue? Because not all of your revenue is REIT.
spk09: related uh real estate related revenue um yeah i don't have that exact split i mean we're well within the compl the compliance rule rules uh within the reit it's uh 90 98 or so of our revenue so but uh the non-real estate related revenue is going to be the bi business or the electronic monitoring business our international uh facilities our non-owned facilities in the U.S. So probably 40%, maybe a little north of that, of our revenue is not tied to our real estate.
spk02: Okay. Very good.
spk09: Thank you.
spk06: Our next question comes from Jordan Sherman with Ranger Global. Please go ahead.
spk10: Yep. Wondered if you could... Discuss what's driving the increase in census for both U.S. Marshals and ICE. Title 42 is still in place and is going to remain in place. So I'm wondering what's been driving that, and then if you can talk about what you think the outlook for those censuses are.
spk01: I don't know what's driving it. It's people crossing the border.
spk12: Yeah, we don't know exactly. We would assume that, you know, the border crossings have a lot to do with it.
spk10: Yeah, there are. I mean, obviously, there are a lot of people, you know, the encounters are up significantly. But I guess I was under the impression with Title 42, they were turning back everyone.
spk09: No, I mean, that's not accurate. So there's like last month, I think in July, there was over 200,000 apprehensions or encounters, if you want to call them that. About 50% of those were returned under Title 42, but 50% or thereabouts were still allowed to enter the country. Some of those are unaccompanied minors. Some of them are family units, but some of them for various reasons may also be adults that for security reasons or law enforcement reasons, those people end up in detention. So that's why we're seeing the ICE detention numbers start to increase. We're also seeing increased participation in the ISAP program, and there's a spillover effect in the U.S. Marshals as a result of some of that activity. So you're right that a lot of people are being returned, and when, as George said earlier, when Title 42 is lifted, there will be a spillover effect in various areas across the board, and nobody knows exactly what that will look like yet.
spk10: Right. But even barring a removal of Title 42, which – I know there's efforts to, the ACLU is suing to get that removed, but has recently renewed. Even barring that, as long as the border numbers and counters go up, we should seek a continued rise in census?
spk12: Yeah, I think so because there are some congressional laws that determine whether a class of people that have to be detained. If they find somebody who has a criminal background that is wanted for crimes in the U.S., for instance, and he crossed the border, they are required by law to detain him. They can't just send him back to Mexico. So there is a certain class of individuals that are required to be detained, and we're apparently just seeing more of them come across the border in the hopes of trying to escape the Border Patrol, but some of them are getting caught and those people are being placed into Marshalls and ICE facilities. Great.
spk10: Is it the Western Regional Detention Facility? Is that the next Marshalls contract that is up for renewal discussion? Is that the one where the most near term?
spk12: And then you're in the continued discussion. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're continuing our discussions with the Marshals Service as to how to realign that contract in compliance with the President's Executive Order.
spk10: Has there been any, along those lines, has there been any pushback on the I guess it was the CoreCivic facility that went from a direct to, I guess, a more indirect contract route.
spk09: I think you're talking about the Northeast Ohio facility. That was a direct contract and became an IGSA, as has been previously discussed.
spk12: I don't think there's been any pushback on the idea, no, to our knowledge.
spk10: So I guess, do you think in many ways that sets the template for perhaps what will happen with direct contracts? Or is it too early to say if that's a template? It's too early to say. Okay. And then you mentioned Arizona, I guess. Weren't there, I'm trying to remember the names, Hawaii, Idaho, Alaska, other, Vermont, Maybe some of them have come and gone already, but weren't there other states looking for additional capacity?
spk12: Yes, the state of Hawaii has issued a notice of interest indicating they want to build a new facility in Hawaii, but that procurement won't take place until I believe sometime next year.
spk05: Okay.
spk12: Arizona is in the planning stages of shutting down one of its major institutions sometime next year, so it's in the beginning stages of an RFP process asking for bidders to identify potential facilities to hold a population of up to 2,700 high-security prisoners And we think that will likely result in at least two separate locations to hold that many high-security prisoners. So we are responding to that procurement.
spk10: And where is the facility you will offer up or facilities?
spk12: Well, we're not saying.
spk10: Okay, that's fine. But you have some in surrounding areas. Would anything in California be eligible for that?
spk12: I don't think so. Okay. And then Idaho? We don't have any empty facilities in California.
spk10: Okay. That's fair. I meant more conceptually. Would something in California be possible? I'm not aware.
spk12: I think there is a state law restriction about taking in out-of-state prisoners in the state, and I'm not aware of any empty available facilities in the state.
spk10: I guess their dominion over potential federal contracts would be different than their dominion over competing state contracts, I guess.
spk12: Yeah, but there aren't any empty federal facilities either in California.
spk10: No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that point. And nothing in Idaho? Wasn't there something in Idaho? Or am I mistaken?
spk09: Idaho, I think, is looking for beds for dead. They recently moved some inmates out.
spk10: Alabama. Alabama. I know, the mess in Alabama.
spk12: Alabama has been trying to develop three large-scale facilities for, I think, approximately 3,000 beds. But, you know, there was a funding... financing problem with that and they're trying to come up with a different strategy on how to do it.
spk10: But no updates on that either at the moment?
spk12: No.
spk10: Yeah, because they've got a little federal oversight problem at the moment. What else is there? Oh, businesses. Are we exploring the possibility of sales of any other potential business or assets or things? I'm not asking you to identify them specifically, but I'm saying is that still on the table, things like that?
spk09: Well, what we said publicly is we're looking at asset sales probably in the $100 million range, mostly related to idle facilities or underutilized assets.
spk10: Okay. Perfect. All right. Thank you very much.
spk06: Our next question comes from Oren Chagud with BTIG. Please go ahead.
spk11: Yeah, hi. Good morning. You referenced this earlier. I just wanted to confirm. Is it fair to say that you've not used and don't have any near-term plans to use the $300 million ATM that you announced on June 28th?
spk09: We have not used it, and we have it available to use, you know, if management sees fit or sees appropriate. I think what we said earlier is not that we wouldn't use it, just that we would prefer not to issue equity at these prices. We believe that equity is undervalued, and we're not intending to issue it. It was just a reauthorization. We reauthorized it to $300 million.
spk11: Got it. Okay. Thank you. And also, you mentioned that you expect to be able to address the debt maturities in due course on reasonable terms. Did that suggest that you would expect to refinance the 2023 and 2024 bonds, or are you looking also at other options, such as a debt exchange, or kind of give us maybe a little bit more clarity, if you wouldn't mind, on how exactly you're thinking about those bonds?
spk09: So we haven't engaged with any of the lender groups yet. As we've said, we've brought on financial advisors. We're looking at our options. I think... Some of what we're looking at, as we said, is to reduce our total debt outstanding. So some of that may result in 2023s being reduced, or there may be less unsecured debt, there may be less secured debt. We're working through the mix of how that's going to look with the advisors and when we engage with the groups. Thank you very much.
spk06: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to George Lully for any closing remarks.
spk12: Okay, thank you for your participation in this call and look forward to addressing you on the next.
spk06: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation.
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