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spk07: Good morning and welcome to the second quarter conference call for Graco, Inc. If you wish to access the replay for this call, you may do so by visiting the company website at www.graco.com. Graco has additional information available in a PowerPoint slide presentation, which is available as part of the webcast player. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for questions and answers after the opening remarks from management. During this call, various remarks may be made by management about their expectations, plans, and prospects for the future. These remarks constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Security Litigation Reform Act. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated as a result of various risk factors, including those identified in item 1A of the company's 2023 annual report on Form 10-K. and in item 1A of the company's most recent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. These reports are available on the company's website at www.graco.com and the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. Forward-looking statements reflect management's current views and speak only as of the time they are made. The company undertakes no obligation to update these statements in light of new information or future events. I will now turn the conference over to Chris Knudson, Executive Vice President, Corporate Controller.
spk00: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. I'm here today with Mark Sheehan and David Lowe. I will provide a brief overview of our quarterly results before turning the call over to Mark for additional commentary. Yesterday, Graco reported second quarter sales of $553 million, a decrease of 1% from the same quarter last year. Reported net earnings decreased 1% to $133 million or 77 cents per diluted share. Excluding the impact of excess tax benefits from stock option exercises, adjusted non-GAAP net earnings were $132 million or 77 cents per diluted share, an increase of 3%. The effect of currency translation had no significant impact on sales or net earnings for the quarter. The gross margin rate increased 230 basis points in the quarter. Realized pricing and lower product costs were more than enough to offset sales volume declines from the industrial and process segments. We had favorable factory volume in contractor as we built inventory ahead of the new product introductions. Total operating expenses increased $5 million or 4% in the quarter, mainly due to $3 million associated with the relocation to a new distribution center and $2 million related to product development spending, growth initiatives, and other corporate items. Gross margin rate improvement, primarily in contractor, was able to offset lower sales volumes and increased expenses in the industrial and process segments during the quarter, resulting in operating margin rate of 29%, an improvement of one percentage point from the same period last year. Contractor operating margin rate increased four percentage points to 31% compared to the second quarter last year. Interest and other decreased $1 million during the quarter, driven primarily by lower interest expense as our long-term debt was repaid in 2023. The adjusted effective tax rate was 20%, which is consistent with our expected full-year tax rate of approximately 19.5% to 20.5% on an as-adjusted basis. Cash provided by operations totaled $258 million for the year, a decrease of $24 million from last year, driven mostly by timing of inventory purchases related to new product launches and lower net earnings. Cash provided by operations as a percent of reported net earnings was 101% for the year. Significant year-to-date uses of cash include repurchases of 224,000 shares for $18 million, dividends of $86 million, and capital expenditures of $73 million of which $47 million related to facility expansion projects. These cash uses were offset by share issuances of $42 million. A few comments as we look forward to the second half of the year. Based on current exchange rates, assuming the same volumes, mix of products, and mix of business by currency as in 2023, movement in foreign currencies would have no impact on net sales or net earnings for the full year. Our full year estimates for unallocated corporate expense and capital expenditures remain unchanged and can be found in a conference call slide deck on page 10. I'll now turn the call over to Mark for further segments and regional commentary.
spk03: Thank you, Chris. Good morning, everyone. All my comments this morning will be on an organic constant currency basis. Sales in the second quarter were below expectations. Contractor performed well, but weakness in process and industrial more than offset that growth. Contractor had record sales in the quarter on strong demand globally for new products. Asia Pacific continued to experience deteriorating demand in the quarter with noted declines across many key product categories, including semiconductor, sealants and adhesives, and industrial lubrication. Incoming order rates in Asia Pacific for both the industrial and process segments were down double digits, and we expect that current conditions will remain for the balance of the year. Despite lower sales, our profitability remains strong, our factories performed well, and we're seeing good price realization, which led to an improved gross margin rate in the second quarter. Company-wide operating margins were also higher as our teams have done a good job managing their spending during what is shaping up to be a challenging revenue environment. Consolidated operating profit margin was up nicely in the quarter, and all segments were at or greater than 29%. Our consolidated Backlog has now returned to pre-COVID levels, except for the powder coating business, which remains slightly elevated. Now turning to some commentary on our segments. Contractor sales rebounded nicely in the second quarter, growing by 6% when compared to last year. Year-to-date sales in contractor are now flat, erasing the deficit that we saw in the first quarter. Our new products are being well-received by customers everywhere. But North America was particularly strong with 9% sales growth in the quarter. Asia Pacific was another bright spot, and the container market started to improve after minimal activity last year. The positive momentum created by our new products is encouraging. With additional products launching in the second half of the year, we remain cautiously optimistic that contractor will post growth for the full year. Operating margins in contractor remained strong at 31% for the quarter and 30% for the year. Improved operating performance and lower input costs drove the increase despite higher new product development spending. The industrial segment declined 4% during the quarter. Overall, we're seeing less project activity in many geographies, and we believe that there is excess manufacturing capacity in parts of Asia Pacific. Growth in North America came primarily from backlog reduction and pricing, which was not enough to offset weak results in Asia Pacific, particularly China. There's also a slowing of activity in end markets, which have been strong the past couple of years, such as solar and battery. In EMEA, activity has slowed with some projects either being delayed or shifted to future quarters. We expect the operating environment in both EMEA and Asia Pacific to remain tough for the remainder of the year. Despite volume declines, operating margins for the quarter improved sequentially and were flat with last year, reflecting favorable price and cost dynamics. Moving on to the process segment, sales were down 9% compared to the same quarter last year with declines in all regions. Vehicle services and environmental equipment sales were positive for the quarter, But they were not enough to offset the broad-based weakness in our industrial lubrication, process transfer equipment, and semiconductor businesses. We expect softness to continue in both AMEA and Asia Pacific, particularly in the semiconductor and mining markets for the rest of the year. Moving on to the outlook. Our first half results were below expectations in our industrial and process segments. The strength in contractor will not be enough to offset this, so we are lowering our full year 2024 guidance to a low single-digit revenue decline on an organic, constant currency basis. While overall economic conditions are challenging, we continue to invest in our growth strategies and will manage the business for the long term. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we're ready for questions.
spk07: Thank you. The question and answer session will begin at this time. To ask a question, you need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Your questions will be taken in order that it is received. Please stand by for your first question. And our first question comes from the line of Dan Dre from RBC Capital Markets. Please state your question.
spk12: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Morning, Dean. Morning, Dean. Mark, we typically start with key end markets and geographies, and I think most of your prepared remarks address those. But if you just kind of step back and say, what are the biggest needle movers and changes since last quarter in geography and the end markets? Which ones bubble up to the top? It sounds like China deteriorated the most, but if you could frame for us that for starters, that'd be helpful.
spk03: Yeah, I think for sure we saw less business activity in the industrial and the process segments. And I would characterize it as really across multiple industries, kind of a general slowdown. I called out a couple of ones that have been particularly hot for us the last couple of years, being semiconductor and battery. But that's just related to some project activity that didn't repeat. And long term, I still think those are really good markets for Graco. So I would characterize as a general decline. Asia Pacific was weak, but as you know, China is a big chunk of it for us. And China in particular has been weaker than what we had hoped it would be. When I look at the incoming order rates and the levels of activity in Asia Pacific, they've been pretty consistent in terms of absolute levels when compared to last year, or not when compared to last year, but based on what we've seen year to date. But when compared to last year, you know, it is lower than what we had, which was, you know, orders were much higher in particular in some of those industries I mentioned. So Europe's hung in there okay. They started to see a little bit of softness here in Q2, but, you know, pretty confident in the team there and what they're accomplishing. They've still got good project activity that they're looking at, and we'll just see how the rest of the year plays out.
spk12: That's really helpful.
spk09: If I could just ask... A little bit of granularity, Dean, for you. If we look at the markets that have a positive tilt toward them, think North America, I guess Mark touched on several of them. I would call out some of the markets we talked about last quarter, e-mobility, defense, aerospace, packaging, some of the markets that disappoint, wind, window and door, wood products generally. appliance, even a little bit of ag. And of course, Mark touched on semiconductor and mining.
spk12: Got it. That's helpful. And can we put the spotlight on the new product introductions this quarter? I've heard descriptions of some of them, especially at the entry level for spray paint finishing and the big box. Sounds exciting. But can you size for us the contribution? And is there an impact on a channel fill? And then you also suggested there was more coming in the second half. Could you just kind of size for us the expectation there too? Thanks.
spk03: Yeah, I think it's hard for us to give you actual dollars, but we're seeing really good growth in the new products that we launch. Some of them include our new Extreme Torque sprayers, which have the Graco design motor and Graco manufactured motor included in them. They're quieter and they have better performance than our old models that use more, I'll call it an off-the-shelf type of a motor. We have a cordless connect product that's doing well in the home centers. It's a product where you can connect it to a cordless drill or an impact driver and you turn it into a paint sprayer. That really resonates with the DIY customer. And so I would say sales there have been great as well. And then I will mention our QuickShot product, which we launched last year, has remained extremely strong. And you'll probably remember that that's a solenoid actuated gun versus a mechanically actuated gun. And customers really like it. It's lightweight. It's portable. It's really good for small jobs. So for sure, the combination of those products have really helped contribute to the growth we saw here in the quarter, particularly in North America. We do have some products coming out on the back half of the year that we're excited about. Without getting into a lot of the details on what those are, I think they are needle movers as well. And that really kind of bled into the outlook that we've got, which I would call we're looking for growth in CED, and I think it'll be tougher for the other businesses this year.
spk12: That's good. Is there a channel fill impact on these new product introductions?
spk03: Yeah, I would say that, sure, there is. But I think the sell-through has been really well for all these things. It's not like they're sitting on inventory. They're placing orders every week.
spk12: Great. Thank you.
spk03: Yep.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Mike Halloran from Baird. Your line is open.
spk10: Hey, morning, everyone. Hey, Mike. So just following up on Dean's question a little bit to start out with, you know, I know the old guide had some element of decent orders towards the end of the quarter, towards the end of the first quarter. expectation for that to roll through and therefore some improving underlying demand. But if you were just to take a step back, how much of the guidance cut is just we didn't see things improve the way we thought versus actual deterioration? I mean, I'm looking more qualitative versus quantitative, so any help there would be great.
spk03: Yeah, I think it's more of the latter. I think that we may have gotten ourselves a little bit – excited at what we saw toward the end of the quarter in Q1. Of course, I always tell people, hey, it's 13 weeks, so you don't want to throw in the towel after 13 weeks. And based on what we saw, we felt like our low single-digit growth guide was appropriate, but we really didn't see that sustain itself and materialize into more growth really in those two segments that I talked about and got to the point where we felt like a change in our full year guide was appropriate.
spk10: So is it fair to say then that trends are just kind of choppy week to week or month to month or however you think about it, but the net trend that you saw through the front half of the year, maybe even through July, just really haven't changed all that much trajectory wise, if you add it all up, or do you think that there's been something different relative to what I just said?
spk03: Yeah, other than contractor, which obviously they did change a little bit to the favorable side on the second quarter, I would say with regard to the industrial businesses, yes, I think it's kind of a sluggish environment. Yeah, there's business out there. There's projects that are happening, but the level of activity and the level of capital investment that we're seeing in factories around the world has been markedly less than what we saw a year ago, and that's what's showing up in our numbers.
spk10: Thanks. And then just generic margin questions we think to the back half of the year. You know, front half run rate, anything we can't take to the front from the front half run rate on margins and apply to the back half, mixed variance, some pressures you're seeing or some tailwinds, just any way to think about how to think about the margin trajectory across the segments in the back half.
spk03: I'd call it pretty stable, but I'll let Chris give some insight on that.
spk00: I would say the same. There's really been not a lot of one-time items outside of what we called out in the relocation of the distribution center that won't recur. When you're thinking about the margin side, it's all volume dependent. So if we see volume where we're at today, we should be okay. But if we see any further decline, that's when you could start seeing some impact on both the operating and the gross margin lines.
spk09: Yeah, I would just add, this is David, I would just add that, I'm glad you asked a margin question, that the... Performance from factory has been very good. I think Mark touched on the spending side, which is strong. But I also would like to call out the commercial organization. The price realization has been real, and it's been consistent across all the businesses and all the regions. And we think that's very sustainable.
spk10: Great. Really appreciate the call. Thank you.
spk03: Thanks, Mike.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Silvery Boroditsky from Jefferies. Your line is open.
spk01: Hi, thanks for taking the question. So just building off your last commentary, you talked about the level of factory investment being lower globally. What do you need to see to improve demand there? What should we be watching for sales to inflect positively?
spk03: Well, I think it's more macro. I don't think it's a Graco-specific problem. Of course, we've got our ear to the street on this topic. We watch other people. We see what they're experiencing. We talk to our salespeople. They're working with our end users every day. So I think it's sort of adverse macro conditions if you look at the Data really doesn't matter what geography you look at, most of the end markets are flashing signs of either neutral or negative at this point with expectations are that there'll be a pickup in 2025 and we're hopeful that that happens. I'd say that there's fairly low capacity utilization across most of the factories. A lot of people added stuff over the last few years to react to all the supply chain. issues they were experiencing, and now they're playing catch up a little bit with those investments. It's not like they're not doing anything, but in terms of big incremental opportunities, it's not there. Of course, the high interest rate environment that we're in gives people other places where they can park cash, and maybe there's some of that that's happening as well, but that could be leading to lower investment as well. And we have seen, in some cases, some project delays. The projects aren't going away, but people are saying, hey, let's you know, hold off for now and we still want to do the project, like a powder system, for example, may get pushed out by a few months. And, you know, that's causing some delays as well. So I think it's kind of a general, slow, sluggish environment that we're operating in. And I am pleased that in this environment where top line is challenging, as I said. The company is doing well. I mean, we're performing well operationally. We're ready to go in orders to pick up. There will be really nice things that we put in place here to be able to capitalize on that when that happens.
spk01: Are there any particular industries that you're seeing push out projects?
spk03: I think in some of the powder industries, applications that we've seen you know maybe some of the construction area where we do work with vertical lines um you know putting powder onto vertical lines um automotive would be another one where you know they're in the battery production area where people are maybe taking a step back and reevaluating their longer term capital plans and putting uh you know slow down on that and then solar energy would be another one that i would say has been pushed out of it
spk01: And then lastly, you mentioned parking cash. So maybe we could talk through how you're thinking about the optimal balance sheet for Graco. You know, you have no debt to pay down, really. So how are you thinking about continuing to build cash? Thank you.
spk03: Yeah, we would definitely like to deploy cash, but we're pretty smart about it. We've gone through a significant capacity expansion here at the company. It puts us in great shape for at least the next 10 years, I think, in terms of our ability to absorb organic growth within the businesses and And with respect to the cash that we have on the balance sheet, our top priority would be to find good strategic acquisitions to acquire companies that we think we can add some value to and that can drive our growth higher than what we've done historically, which has really been primarily organic back over the last five years or so. Of course, we can also look to share repurchases. We did some of that here. in Q2. We're not out of the business of doing that long-term strategic buys. I think that's another use of our cash.
spk01: Cynthia Harris, thank you so much for the question.
spk03: Yep.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Brian Blair from Oppenheimer. Your line is open.
spk08: Thank you.
spk07: Good morning, everyone.
spk12: Good morning, Brian.
spk08: We just had a nice segue there to discussing your M&A pipeline. We tend to ask every quarter, and I think it's appropriate given RICO's market position balance sheet, enhanced focus in that area for the last couple of years. But I guess particularly relevant now, we have seen an inflection in deal activity of late. There seems to be a lot of confidence and actionability there. for industrial assets going forward. I'm curious if that applies to your team as well, whether there's meaningful momentum in your deal pipeline and any shift quarter by quarter that you would call it.
spk03: Yeah, I called a couple things. I mean, obviously, I brought in Inga Grostal a couple years ago to help our teams build out the pipelines. I think I may have mentioned before, but I'll mention it again, that a couple years ago, I could have asked people for names and who's on their target list, and they would have given me a list, but there really wasn't a whole lot of work done vetting the list, understanding the strategic fit, knowing the size of the company, and having a strategy for what we would do if we were to acquire them. Plus, there wasn't a whole lot of Connections that were taking place between our people and those companies and mostly because we've been more focused on organic growth So we're going through that process of creating what I'll call a fairly well thought well vetted pipeline We have more than a hundred companies in that pipeline today We're having active discussions with the ones that are that are real prospects and I would say that you're right it feels to us like the market has gotten a little bit better than what it was, you know, even six months ago. Valuations are still high for, you know, good businesses, but they are closer to the range today that we would be interested in, you know, without telling you specifically about what we're doing. I do feel like my confidence level and our ability to actually execute our M&A strategy has gone up substantially over the last, Two years, and I am hopeful that we will see some activity here as we work through the balance of this year and into 2025.
spk09: Yeah, I'd just like to underline Mark's comments about, yes, there's a larger target list than there was before, and, yes, there are conversations going on on an ongoing basis with principals and bankers and other people who are – close or owners of businesses that could be of interest to us. In talking with Inga, I would say there is merchandise available. There are clearly some properties that are being held back due to maybe expectations that were created a couple, three years ago and Again, some private equity owners also have to sell properties at maybe lower multiples or hold on for a couple more years to drive them to the next level. To just put a point on Mark's comments, Inga has estimated that maybe multiples over this last year, year and a half timeframe where we've been talking about this, have moderated, say, one and a half to two turns. So I think while there is plenty of variation around the mean, and you see that in some of the transactions that go on in these niche industrial markets, I think it leans us towards an expectation that low to mid team range for turns is closer to normal than we saw two or three years ago.
spk08: That's extremely helpful, Colin, and encouraging to hear. Looking at your Asia PAC demand mosaic, the solid red industrial process, that pretty easily explains capital spending or lack thereof. Contractor stepping up to more of a neutral outlook is encouraging given the overall backdrop. Mark, did you say that it's largely driven by the container market? Did I hear that correctly?
spk03: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, shipping containers. Yep.
spk08: Okay. Is that the primary factor or are there other call-outs there?
spk03: Yeah, that's, I think, the primary driver of what we see in China contractor. Of course, for Asia contractor, another significant market is Australia. And they were off to a slow start in the first quarter. We've seen a little bit of a pickup here. as we've gotten through the first half of the year, and we're hopeful that that team can deliver for us in the back half of the year.
spk08: Okay, understood.
spk07: Thanks again.
spk03: Yep.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jeff Hammond from QBank Capital Markets. Your line is open.
spk04: Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, Jeff. Hey, so just on contractor, you seem a little more confident that there's growth there for the year. It seems like, you know, resi and commercial are still, you know, choppy. Maybe commercial is getting a little worse. But just talk about, you know, tone from the customers and activity levels. I know, you know, there were some, you know, their activity levels were healthy if you're seeing any cracks there. Or is this just all, you know, new product momentum that's driving that confidence?
spk03: Yeah, I think it's new product momentum that really gives us the confidence. You guys all know what's going on in the market, maybe even more than we do, but housing starts are, you know, they're not as good as you'd like them to be at like 1.37 million, which is down from last year. Single family starts are projected to go up though, and that's good for painters. Remodeling spend is down a little bit. Interest rates are still high, so affordability is an issue for a lot of people that are looking to either move out of their existing home or they got a low interest rate or new buyers who are trying to get into the market. Commercial construction appears to be hanging in there pretty well. And then outside of the Americas, if you look at Europe, construction trends are down as well as in AP with places like China that are also down. So all in all, it's kind of a mixed bag. You could probably paint a picture if we didn't have new products that we would being flat to decline like we are sort of projecting for the overall Grickle business. But with the pipeline of products that these talented people and contractor have come out with and launched this year, it gives us confidence. And then seeing the results gives us confidence that we think that we can get, we can post some growth in CED this year.
spk09: Yeah, I would just add to that very complete list that in the protective coating space, where we serve markets like oil and gas in locations like the Middle East with energy prices at the levels that they're at now, we are seeing those markets remain active for us and quite solid. And I think that's maybe additional ballast that increases my confidence.
spk04: Okay, and then just semiconductor, Maybe just level set us on when you start to hit easy comps and if you're starting to see any, you know, any pickup in the pipeline or discussions of kind of that cycle turning back up.
spk03: Yeah, I would start out by saying that the decline this year was not expected by us. We obviously see the forecast and that's a highly cyclical end market. And, you know, it didn't matter what you picked up, everyone was calling for a pretty substantial decline in semiconductor. And obviously, as we worked down our backlogs from all the orders we got in, you know, 22 and 23, we started to see that in our incoming order rates as well, just from a pure comparison standpoint. I will say that last year's orders were not great. The performance was good because we were working on backlog, but The order rates last year compared to this year so far, we're actually up a little bit. So I think we're starting to see some green shoots in semiconductor. Everyone's calling for growth in 2025 with all the new fab construction and expansion that's happening there. So I'm hopeful that we've seen the bottom and that we'll start to be able to grow from here.
spk04: Great. Thanks, Mark.
spk03: Yep.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Joe Ritchie from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
spk13: Hi. Good morning, guys. Morning. So, I know we talked a little bit about margins, you know, going forward. I guess just the expectation with a new product introduction continuing in contractor in the second half of the year and growth not expected for the year. Is your expectation for contractor margins and you should be able to hold like this 31% plus type, you know, number going forward, at least into the second half? Just any thoughts around that would be helpful.
spk03: Yeah, there's, you know, I think Chris said it well, it all kind of, all this stuff kind of depends on volume and mix and what you sell and what you don't sell. But as we sit here today, if the volumes are consistent with what we're experiencing and the mix stays reasonably the same, we should be in decent shape being contracted to, you know, be at that level, in that range, I should say. And when, usually when we launch a new product, just so you know, a lot of times the margin rates are higher. Sometimes they're a refresh of an existing product where we've been able to take some costs out or we're bringing a new technology where we can, you know, the customer can realize enough value that our pricing is a little bit on more solid footing than some of the other products. So putting all that together, I feel pretty good about where that business sits here halfway through the year and hopefully we can maintain it for the balance.
spk13: Got it. Okay. That's, that's helpful. And then just a quick follow-up question on industrial. I know we've talked a little bit about semis and you guys have, you guys have mentioned battery to some degree. I'm just, can you just level set us again, just in terms of how much of your business sells into the auto and EV market? You can put battery in there as well, specifically for the industrial segment.
spk00: For the, well, I, we look at it on a total company basis. And for the total company, when you think about it on a full year for 2023, automotive, which included EV, was about 9% of our total sales.
spk13: Okay, great. And most of that, if not all of it, sits in the industrial segment, correct?
spk00: Correct. There probably is a little bit from the process side, but the bulk of that comes from industrial.
spk13: Okay, perfect. Thank you.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question will come from Ross Berenbeck from William Blair. Your line is open.
spk02: Hey, guys. Maybe just starting a contractor. I don't get the sense that all these new products hit on April 1st, so can you just kind of give us a sense of the timing there as we move to the quarter? I know you also had another announcement yesterday, so it feels like it's an ongoing process. I'm just trying to get a sense of how we should inform the market outgrowth expectation in the second half.
spk03: Yeah, I think for the most part, the ones that I mentioned got launched really early in Q2. So the XT, the cordless connect, obviously Quickshot was launched last year. And as we, you know, those are probably the big ones in Q2. And as we get through three and four, they got another slate of products coming out. One of those is our new fusion air gun for the spray foam industry that was just recently launched. and we've got some new plural component machines that are coming out for the high-performance coatings and foam market as well that are just being launched now.
spk02: Okay. And then maybe just on the quantum pumps, I know you guys are in customer trials, but any updates there and maybe expectations on broader commercialization?
spk03: Yeah, I think long-term there's definitely still a trend toward electrification, and our team is really working to identify where the big opportunities are, and then we're putting – you know, dedication onto those customers and those applications where we think it's going to resonate the most. What I'll tell you is that opportunities for it are there. It is particularly attractive to industries where they're running their pumps more on a continuous basis and they're consuming a lot of air as opposed to some of the industries where they're not doing that. The ROI really comes from energy savings. And, you know, to the extent that somebody is producing something in a factory where their pumps are running continuously, quantum is still a great opportunity for them.
spk09: Yeah, as far as that example goes in the high-volume players that Mark's talking about, I think the chemical industry generally and paint manufacturers specifically.
spk02: Okay. I mean, so just given that ROI, is there a case where you could see, you know, customer investment for the energy savings despite the overall uncertain macro?
spk03: Yeah. I mean, it kind of depends on the company. I can tell you if it were here at Graco where we're like ROI, we'd do it whether times are good or times are bad. But, you know, of course, some companies, they tighten the purse strings and they put projects off and they wait until they see things are picking up a little bit before they make the investments. But the ROI is nice, it's compelling, and it fits in with what a lot of companies are trying to do, which is really reduce their footprint for usage of energy. And this is one way that they can do that.
spk02: All right. Thank you, gentlemen.
spk03: Yep.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Matt Somerville from DA Davidson. Your line is open.
spk06: just a couple of quick follow-ups on contractor. You know, Mark, last quarter, I remember you made some pretty bullish comments around, you know, the fact that this is probably the most or one of the most significant contractor launch cycles that you've observed with all the time you've been at Graco. Given that comment and kind of what you're seeing from a sell-in, sell-through standpoint. Does this cycle you're seeing this year then create an uncharacteristically difficult comp for next year? I guess I'm trying to understand how to kind of think about that aspect going forward.
spk03: Yeah, so first I stand by the comment. I think these products are fantastic, and I'm really glad we have them, because if we didn't, I think you'd see much different results in CED. I wouldn't want to speculate what the number is, but it wouldn't be the kind of growth we saw here in Q2. I think going forward next year, our hope is the market itself improves and we're on better footing with respect to the housing market in general. The interest rates, hopefully they come down a little bit. There's more new construction happening. Those types of macro tailwinds that we might get would be something that we would hope to see in 2025. I'm super confident the products are going to be great. People are going to want them. They're buying them. In a bad market, that's even better. It says a lot about what people expect and what they are getting from Graco. And if we had it in a good market, which hopefully we have next year, it should be fantastic.
spk06: Got it. And then just another follow-up to contractor. Can you maybe just delineate a little bit what you're seeing outside of new product demand specifically within the home center channel and contrast that with the propane channel and how that should inform mix going forward?
spk03: Yeah, I think in the home center channel, you know, we haven't seen, um, like robustness in terms of the overall growth, but it is, it is growing. So, uh, we're happy. We're happy with that. Um, I don't really have, you know, good. Today data for you on foot traffic, but it's probably not as good as it was a couple of years ago, but our, um, our products are resonating pretty well in the, in the home center. The pro side has been, has been good. You know, the Pro Channel in North America in particular, you saw a nice pickup in Q2, and we think contractors are busy. They've got work. They've got projects. They're willing to invest in new equipment that makes them more efficient, which really lines up with what we're trying to do.
spk09: Yeah, I would just add that on the home center side, the Yeah, the business did grow in the quarter. You do see mixed results from different home center partners. There is some variation around the mean. At least a couple of those partners report respectable foot traffic, if not at the levels of the prior years. Sure, I think in terms of as you think about the future and doing your projections, Mix is a factor, but I would add that the contractor team spent a lot of time over the last year striving to improve the, what I'll call the profile, the business profit profile for home centers, and we're starting to see some respectable momentum in that area too. Obviously, all you have to do is look at the units to know that propaint and high-performance coating and foam products are going to have more margin than Home Center because of the value added, but Home Center is a good business for us, too.
spk06: Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.
spk07: Thanks, Matt. Thank you. As a reminder, that's star 11 for questions, star 11. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Buscaghila from BNP Powerbus. Your line is open.
spk11: Andrew Buscaghila, BNP Powerbus. Hey, good morning, guys. Morning. So, you know, just the slowdown in industrial and process, you know, we haven't seen this in a little while. It seems like things are just getting a little bit more weaker where you're taking down the guidance. At what point do you start thinking about costs in industrial and process and what you can do to protect margins? Is it too early? I was trying to get a sense of how the year shakes out for margins in each.
spk03: pretty profitable businesses to begin with. There's not a lot of low-hanging fruit to go clean up, and we try to take a longer-term view of the markets, and we realize there's going to be good times and bads, but through a cycle is really what we're trying to manage to. So right now I'm very happy with the overall performance of the company, as I said, and, you know, of course, if things fell off a cliff and you had to do some different things, we'd evaluate that, but I really don't see that happening.
spk11: Yeah, okay. And then, you know, I don't know if we have a ton of commentary yet on, you know, your commentary on around the distribution channel and what your distributors are saying. Yeah. Can you provide a little bit of color around what's the latest on that avenue?
spk03: Yeah, I think like I said earlier, I just feel like it's a sluggish macro environment. It isn't any real meaningful changes in terms of the dynamics that customers are looking at when they're making purchase decisions. They're still looking for process improvements in their factories, returns on investments, which include lower usage of the materials that they're applying, anything that we can do to drive those savings for them. Those are still factors that they look at. But, you know, the macro is just different than what it was. There's been a ton of investment that's happened over the last couple of years. Like I said, I think they're playing catch up a little bit. You know, there's a period of time where it's softer across multiple end markets. And the company's in a great spot to weather the storm. We're still investing in new products. We're still looking to expand our channel. We're looking at some new market opportunities. And all in all, it's not a – you know, robust economic environment like I've been in in the past, but it's not all doom and gloom either.
spk11: Yeah. Yeah. So they're not sounding any alarms or anything like that either. It sounds like. No. Yeah. All right. Thank you.
spk07: Thank you. I'm sure I know for the questions in the queue, I want to turn the conference over to Mark Sheehan.
spk03: OK, well that concludes today's phone call. I appreciate all the participation and look forward to speaking with you again. Have a good day.
spk07: This concludes our conference for today. Thank you all for participating and have a nice day. All parties may now disconnect.
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