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Operator
Good morning. My name is Cole, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Granite Point Mortgage Trust second quarter 2021 financial results conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode, and as a reminder, this call is being recorded. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Petta with Investor Relations for Granite. Please go ahead.
Chris Petta
Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call to discuss Granite Point's second quarter 2021 financial results. With me on the call this morning are Jack Taylor, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Marcin Urbacic, our Chief Financial Officer, Steve Alport, our Chief Investment Officer and Co-Head of Originations, Peter Murau, our Chief Development Officer and Co-Head of Originations, and Steve Pluss, our Chief Operating Officer. After my introductory comments, Jack will review our current business activities and provide a brief recap of market conditions. Steve Alpert will discuss our portfolio, and Marcin will highlight key items from our financial results. Press release and financial tables associated with today's call, as well as our Form 10-Q, were filed yesterday with the SEC. If you do not have a copy, you may find them on our website or on the SEC's website at sec.gov. In our earnings release and slides, which are now posted in the investor relations section of our website, we have provided a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures. We urge you to review this information in conjunction with today's call. I would also like to mention this call is being webcast and may be accessed on our website in the same location. Before I turn the call over to Jack, I would like to remind you that remarks made by management during this conference call and the supporting slides may include forward-looking statements. which are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Forward-looking statements reflect our views regarding future events and are typically associated with the use of words such as anticipate, expect, estimate, and believe, or other similar expressions. We caution investors not to rely unduly on forward-looking statements. They imply risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from expectations. we urge you to carefully consider the risks described in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent 10-K and 10-Q reports, which may be obtained on the SEC's website at sec.gov. We do not undertake any obligation to update or correct any forward-looking statements if later events prove them to be inaccurate. I will now turn the call over to Jack.
Jack Taylor
Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We would like to welcome you all to our second quarter 2021 earnings call. We hope everyone continues to stay healthy and safe. Our business delivered another quarter of solid operating results as we continue to successfully execute on our strategy of originating and managing a well-diversified portfolio of first mortgage loans generating attractive returns. Yesterday afternoon, we reported second quarter distributable earnings of $0.29 per share, which again comfortably covered our common stock dividend of $0.25 per share. Our earnings continue to benefit from the in-the-money LIBOR floors on our loans and the strength of our portfolio. In addition, our book value moderately increased to $17.27 per share, partially benefiting from the share repurchases executed during the quarter. We had an active quarter across our business with respect to both assets and liabilities. During the second quarter, we closed seven new loans, totaling over $200 million of commitments. and currently have an additional 280 million of loans that have either closed or are expected to close in the near term. To date, we have originated loans secured primarily by multifamily properties. We have also funded well-leased office properties and are pursuing loans secured by industrial warehouse, self-storage, life sciences, and others. In addition to our existing pipeline of committed loans, We have been actively sourcing new investment opportunities with the goal of deploying our excess liquidity and growing our portfolio, which should help improve our earnings and dividends over time. We are currently actively reviewing several billion dollars of lending opportunities, the scope of which allows us to be selective and pick the most interesting investments for our portfolios. The market for lending on transitional commercial real estate assets remains very active with significantly improved transaction volumes supported by robust levels of available liquidity and well-functioning capital markets. Investors are increasingly enthusiastic about deploying both equity and debt capital and adding to their exposure to U.S. commercial real estate. Granite Point benefits from this increased market activity on both sides of our balance sheet. The loan repayments we realize in our portfolio generally provide us with additional liquidity for new investments, and we are also able to further improve our funding profile by taking advantage of the favorable capital markets conditions. During the second quarter, the pace of our repayments accelerated, resulting in over $420 million in total volume, including $134 million of hotel loan payoffs, which contributed to the decline in our portfolio balance and earnings quarter over quarter. as repayments occurred in advance of our new originations. We view this level of payoffs as elevated and would anticipate it to moderate for the rest of the year. With respect to our borrowings, during the second quarter, we closed our third commercial real estate CLO, an $824 million transaction, and also extended maturities on some of our financing facilities. Our CLO, at attractive cost of funds and leverage, increased our proportion of non-mark-to-market borrowings to about 75%, achieving our targeted levels. We believe the CLO market remains very favorable for well-established and repeat issuers such as Granite Point and is a key component of our balance sheet management strategy. As we originate new loans and grow our portfolio, we intend over time to be an active participant and opportunistically access the commercial real estate CLO market. as we execute on our strategy of maintaining a well-diversified, term-matched funding profile, emphasizing non-mark-to-market and non-recourse financing sources. We are very pleased with the performance of our business through the first half of the year. We have delivered solid earnings driven by the attractive income generated by our well-balanced and defensively positioned investment portfolio, and supported by the benefits from the LIBOR floors embedded in our loans. We have improved our capital structure and will continue to do so to further reduce our funding costs and provide us with more balance sheet flexibility. Refinancing our existing term loan remains a strategic priority. Given the improving market fundamentals and increased transaction volume, our healthy level of liquidity, and the strength of our origination platform, we are well positioned to take advantage of ample investment opportunities and grow our business while delivering attractive risk-adjusted results to our stockholders over time. Supported by our highly experienced and talented team, we intend to continue to expand our already strong forward pipeline to support our earnings and dividends, while also further rationalizing the mix of our funding sources. As an internally managed REIT, we believe we have the opportunity to realize meaningful economies of scale benefits embedded in our business as we grow over time. I would now like to turn the call over to Steve Alpart to discuss our originations, forward pipeline, and portfolio in more detail.
Chris
Thank you, Jack, and thank you all for joining our call this morning. We had a very busy quarter with respect to our overall portfolio activity. We closed seven new loans with total commitments of over $200 million and initial funding of over $160 million. We also funded an additional $30 million on existing commitments for total portfolio funding of over $190 million. Six of these loans comprising over 70% of our Q2 originations are secured by multifamily properties, and one loan is secured by a well-leased office building in the southeast. The new loans carry attractive return and credit profiles with a weighted average yield of LIBOR plus 410 and a weighted average stabilized LTV of under 68%, reflective of the high proportion of multifamily loans. During the second quarter, we realized $423 million of repayments, including eight full loan payoffs and several partial paydowns. Repayments were diversified across various property types and included two of our larger hotel loans with a combined principal balance of about $134 million, which reduced our portfolio's hotel allocation to under 15%. We view this volume of repayments as elevated and would anticipate it to moderate over the rest of the year. Our initial estimate for full-year repayments was between $500 million and a billion, which we still view as reasonable, but the exact timing of them is hard to predict. We believe that a healthy repayment activity is a result of continued improvement in market conditions and is also attributable to the overall credit quality of our portfolio. We ended the second quarter with a portfolio outstanding principal balance of about $3.6 billion across 99 loans, with an additional $440 million in future funding commitments, which accounts for only about 11% of our total commitments and is reflective of the generally lighter transitional nature of our assets. Decline in our portfolio balance in Q1 is mainly related to the elevated volume of repayments and the timing of closing new originations. Our assets continue to generate attractive returns and exhibit healthy overall credit characteristics. with a weighted average unlevered yield of about 5.3% realized in Q2, and a weighted average stabilized LTV of under 64%. Our portfolio has generally performed well and in line with our overall expectations given the market conditions. We've had strong collections of contractual interest due on our loans through the July payment date. Our overall risk ratings were relatively stable in Q2. At June 30th, we had three loans that were risk rated 5, and we're placed on non-accrual status during the quarter as a result of being particularly impacted by the pandemic. While select credit concerns remain with respect to certain loans, we have a positive outlook for our portfolio and real estate fundamentals in general. As an example, we are seeing positive trends in our hotel portfolio. As real estate fundamentals continue to improve, we are working with our borrowers and have seen a shift in the nature of the modification requests we've received from interest deferrals towards extensions. which is a reflection that many business plans have been delayed. During Q2, we modified eight loans with an aggregate principal balance of about $409 million, three of these loans involving interest deferrals and most of the others simply allowing borrowers more time to implement their business plans in exchange for additional financial commitments to their assets. We also deferred and capitalized approximately $4 million of interest income, which reflects some of the Q2 modifications, as well as others that are currently effective from prior quarters. This strategy of granting borrowers more time has already resulted in repayments of loans that were previously modified and that have since repaid in full. We continue to see our high-quality borrowers acting responsibly and making ongoing financial commitments to their properties. While we are actively managing our existing assets, we are committed to growing our portfolio and improving our earnings and dividends over time. We have generated a strong forward pipeline of attractive investments with over $280 million of total commitments and over $265 million of initial fundings. So far in the third quarter, we have closed three loans and funded $125 million of principal, plus another $12 million on prior commitments. These loans and those in our pipeline are secured by properties with favorable fundamentals, including multifamily office and self-storage assets with attractive risk-adjusted return profiles. Despite the heavy competition among lenders, we remain disciplined and selective and continue to find ample, attractive investments for our portfolio from many repeat borrowers with compelling returns as we review a large set of opportunities currently available in the market. Assuming stable market conditions and depending on the volume of loan repayments, we anticipate growing our portfolio as we redeploy our excess capital over the rest of the year. I will now turn the call over to Marcin for a more detailed review of our financial results.
Jack
Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Yesterday afternoon, we reported our results for the second quarter of 2021 with gap net income of $14.2 million, or 26 cents per basic share, as compared to $28 million, or 51 cents per basic share in the first quarter. Distributable earnings for Q2 were $15.7 million, or 29 cents per basic share, versus $20.7 million, or 38 cents per share in Q1. There were a few main drivers that affected our second quarter results, compared to the prior period. First, as we disclosed previously, along with our dividend announcement in June, we realized an elevated volume of loan repayments of about $423 million in Q2, which combined with our new originations resulted in a $225 million net decline in our portfolio from Q1. Second, we recorded a $2.1 million reversal of interest related to three loans placed on non-accrual status. Both of these factors drove most of the decline in our net interest income of about $5 million or $0.09 per basic share. Finally, our total allowance for credit losses was relatively stable quarter over quarter as we did not realize a meaningful benefit from provision for credit losses in Q2 as compared to the $9 million or $0.17 per basic share reserve release we had in Q1. Our total operating expenses in Q2 of a bit under $9 million were largely in line with the first quarter. Our distributable earnings continue to meaningfully cover our common dividend, reflecting a strong run rate earnings power of our portfolio, despite elevated volume of loan repayments. The attractive income generated by our portfolio continues to benefit from the liable floors embedded in our loans, with a weighted average rate of 155 basis points. Over time, as our portfolio mix continues to shift towards new originations with lower LIBOR floors, we would anticipate this earnings benefit to moderate. However, if and when short-term rates increase, our results should benefit as our portfolio likely becomes more rate-sensitive. Partially driven by the share repurchases, our Q2 book value increased to $17.27 per share from $17.22 per share in Q1. The June 30 book value includes an allowance for credit losses of $62.9 million, or $1.15 per share. However, it does not include the potential dilutive effect of the approximately $4.6 million warrants that remain effectively outstanding, which were issued as part of the term on financing last year. At a recent stock price of around $14 per share, the dilutive effect on our book value would be approximately 3.5%, assuming a cash settlement option, and over 4% in the case of net share settlement option. As I mentioned earlier, our total CISO reserve was largely unchanged from the prior quarter at about $63 million, representing about 154 basis points of our total portfolio commitments as of June 30. We had a few offsetting factors impacting our allowance in Q2. The reserve releases associated with repayments and further improving microeconomic forecasts were mostly offset by an increase in the reserve on one office loan that was newly rated five, as well as an establishment of an allowance for the newly originated loans. The other two loans that were also individually assessed during the quarter had been largely reserved for previously. Turning to liquidity and leverage, we ended the quarter with about $237 million in cash on hand as of August 6th we had approximately $242 million in cash. In addition to the cash from the balance sheet, we also have our option to draw another $75 million in term loan proceeds through the end of September. Our total debt-to-equity ratio at June 30 was 2.8 times, down from three times in the prior quarter. Our recourse leverage at June 30 declined to 1.1 times from 1.7 times in Q1, mainly driven by the closing of our third CRE CLO in May. we would anticipate our total leverage to increase as we continue to originate new loans and deploy the excess liquidity. Given current market conditions, we would anticipate our total leverage to be in the range of three to three and a half times over time, depending on the pace of our new loan originations and volume repayments. Thank you again for joining us today, and I will now ask the operator to open the call to questions.
Operator
Thank you, and we will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star then one on your touch tone phone. If you're using a speaker phone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. And our first question today will come from Doug Harder with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Doug Harder
Thanks. Hoping you could talk a little bit more about the three loans that went on to non-accrual. today. Just give us the details of how reserved they are and why you're comfortable with those reserve levels.
Chris
Hey, Doug. Good morning. It's Steve. Thanks for joining the call this morning. So we've talked about most of these loans in prior quarters. There's not a lot new this quarter. Very comfortable with the risk rankings. Credit profile of our portfolio is generally stable in Q2. We're closely asset managing our portfolio. We're evaluating loans each quarter, as you know. We feel very good about the reserves. And as we have new information, you know, we'll share that. And this is Martin.
Jack
If you look at our queue, we provide a little bit more detail on specifically kind of how much reserves are on each of these assets.
Doug Harder
I guess what specifically changed that led you to take the interest in reversal this quarter and why you hadn't done that in the past?
Chris
Sure. It's Steve again. So on the Minneapolis Hotel, which we talked about a little bit last quarter, so we maintained the five ranking this quarter. There's not a lot new this quarter. We're working towards a resolution. As I said, we feel like we're adequately reserved. We just felt like, given the overall status, it made sense to put that one on non-accrual status. We moved the Southern California retail loan that we discussed previously that had been ranked a 4 in Q1. We moved it to a 5 in Q2. That was mainly due to the ongoing uncertainty around retail in general and also because it had, at the time, an upcoming July maturity date. and then we moved a loan secured by an office building in D.C. to a five, and that one was largely due to this ongoing softness in the D.C. leasing market and some borrower fatigue about putting more equity into the property, and that was the catalyst for moving that one onto non-accrual.
Doug Harder
Great. Thanks. And then could you talk about deploying the liquidity, how you're weighing deploying that into loans versus repaying the term loans? They took out, I guess, a year or so ago.
Jack Taylor
Doug, I had my phone on mute. Well, we're looking to deploy that liquidity. We had our, what I would say, a downturn or a trough in our portfolio balance because of the elevated level of repayments that we're in advance of the originations of the loans to replace them. I'll let Marcin speak to the term loan here in a second, but I'll say our expectation is to, we have ample liquidity. Our expectation is to deploy that through the end of the year, expecting a year-end balance, I would say somewhere about 5%, maybe plus that, possibly lower. over the current level of balance by year end.
Jack
And Doug, with respect to the term loan, as we mentioned earlier, it's a pretty attractive piece in our capital structure, though it is expensive. So our strategic priority is to refinance this term loan at some point in the future. As you can imagine, it will largely depend on Capital markets conditions, we're looking at a variety of different products to accomplish that, but we can't really comment on anything with any certain high degree of certainty as of right now since it is capital markets dependent. Great.
Doug Harder
Thank you.
Operator
And our next question will come from Steve Delaney with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.
Steve Delaney
Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Marcin, you were discussing some items that you indicated had a $0.09 per share impact on second quarter earnings, and I believe you were comparing that relative to first quarter. I think $2.1 million was the reversal of interest that you described on, I think, the three non-accrual loans. What would the other roughly $3 million of impact have come from to get to a $0.09 or about a $5 million impact? you know, per total dollar amount.
Jack
Good morning, Steve. Thank you for joining us. Sure. Yeah, I would say the rest of it is largely related to the repayments, right? We had really elevated level of repayments in the quarter. Some of those repayments were hotel loans, which obviously is a good sign from a credit perspective, but they tend to carry higher yields. So I would say most of the rest of the decline is related to repayments. It's just timing to the repayments and the closing of new loans.
Steve Delaney
So smaller average portfolio size, obviously. Correct. Okay. And just to be clear, the page 11 in the deck, these five loans, these are all five-rated at this time, right? And I think there were, what, two new five-rated loans in the quarter? Just trying to make sure I've got – I'm looking at the entirety of the five-rated loans and also the number that were new in the quarter. Okay.
Jack
So we have three five-rated loans. That's the Pasadena, California retail, the Minneapolis hotel, and then the Washington, D.C. office. The other two are not five-rated, but they are loans that we've discussed in prior quarters on our quote-unquote watch list that we're monitoring closely.
Steve Delaney
I see. So this is your watch list, but it's not intended to suggest that all five. So three of these are five-rated, two are not. Okay. That's helpful. And then... Page three of the deck, I'm just trying to get the nuance right here. You are making the statement at the top that through July of 2021, 100% of borrowers are making their contractual payments in accordance with agreements. And there's a footnote there, three, and it says including loan mods and four non-accrual loans. So with respect to the non-accrual loans, when you say 100% of borrowers are making their contractual payments, are they making interest payments even though they're non-accrual and you're just recognizing the income as it comes in as opposed to accruing it? No, they're not. So we're excluding that from our calculation. Okay, so when you say 100% of borrowers making payments, that's excluding the four non-accrual loans because we're assuming that they are not paying. Okay. Correct. So other than those four loans, you've got everybody making their payments. Is that correct? Correct.
Jack
Correct. Adjusted for mods, which, you know, some of the modifications may involve some partial deferral of interest, not waivers, but deferrals, which to Steve's point earlier, we've seen a pretty significant decline in those requests.
Steve Delaney
When you mentioned CECL Reserve, I thought I heard you mention a figure of $63 million. I'm looking at my model, and I'm seeing $39 million. It was down. You had released $9 million in the first quarter. Is it $39 million? I don't know where the $63 million came from.
Jack
No, it was $63.1 in Q1, and it's $62.9 in Q2 in the total reserves. So it was largely unchanged, but we obviously had some movement between kind of the general population and some of the loans that we individually assessed over the quarter.
Steve Delaney
Right. Got it. Okay. And within that CECL reserve on the five loans on page 11, can you tell me how much of the CECL reserve, do you have specific reserves on any of the loans shown on page 11? Or I guess the other way to look at our... Go ahead. I'm sorry.
Jack
Go ahead. No, if you look at our 10Q, when we talk about our portfolio, We provide a little bit more detail on the three five-rated loans. So there's about $32 to $35 million for those specifically assessed five-rated loans in the pool. So more than half of our reserve is related to those three five-rated loans.
Steve Delaney
Excellent. Thank you so much for the call. That's very helpful. Thank you.
Operator
And our next question will come from Stephen Laws with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning.
Stephen Laws
I appreciate the chance to ask questions today. You know, Jack, to follow up on Doug's question earlier about your excess liquidity, you know, as you think about, you know, deploying into new loans, you know, paying down some more expensive capital or refinancing that, you know, where does stock repurchase fit in? I know you bought back a little bit of stock, I believe, during the quarter. So, you know, can you talk about your options there?
Jack Taylor
Sure. Good morning, Steven. Thanks for joining us. And I'm happy to address that. First, I'll do the usual caveat. It's our general policy not to comment on any potential buybacks or their timing. But having said that, we always have been focused on generating the best risk-adjusted returns and what's best for the business, which has a lot of different factors that play into it. one of the assessments of the best use of capital, of course, is any discount to book valuation, that we would take that into consideration in assessing the best use of capital against, you know, origination opportunities, rationalization of our other liabilities, et cetera. And we do have authorization to – for more share buybacks that are available to us as we make this assessment.
Stephen Laws
Great. Thanks for the comments on that, Jack. Marcin, you know, looking at page 12 on the financing, you know, can you talk to the, you know, 18FL1, you know, opportunities to call that, you know, either, you know, it looks like cheaper financing, you know, either through the repo facilities or putting into a newer CLO. You know, can you talk about opportunities you see other than the term loan to kind of reduce financing costs going forward?
Jack
Sure. Hi, Stephen. Thanks for the question. Look, you know, when we assess our liabilities and fundings, we kind of look at everything altogether. So, you know, you make an interesting point on FL1. You know, it is a function of – kind of what type of assets are financed with different pools, what's available in the market. But I can assure you that we are looking at our liabilities and funding and reassessing the best way to rationalize that and bring down our cost of funds, which we've been definitely focused on. So we can probably become a little bit more efficient on the asset finance side of our business if we intend to do so. Great. Thanks for the comments this morning.
Operator
And our next question will come from Jade Ramani with KBW. Please go ahead.
KBW
Thank you very much. Looking at the expense base of $9 million on an annualized basis, it's 3.8 percent of common equity. The typical fee structure for even externally managed REITs is 1.5 percent base fee and probably about 20 percent above or 20% of excess returns above an 8% hurdle, 7% hurdle. So the peer expense ratio is 2.5%. You know, for GPMT to operate at that level of efficiency, your equity base needs to be, you know, 40% higher. So my question is, number one, with the existing capital base, what kind of returns on equity do you believe are achievable? And what other options do you believe there are to increase the operating leverage at the company so that that expense base could be rationalized?
Jack
Good morning, Jade. It's Marcin. Thank you for joining us and for your question. I think you're missing a couple of other pieces in the expenses just across the board. There's additional G&A that we all encourage public company companies to as public company costs, and also amortization of non-cash equity compensation. The ratio for us that you are referring includes all of that. So it's not just compensation costs. It's the public company costs, but also close to $2 million of LTIP amortization, which all of our peers also have. But look, as an internally managed company, we obviously have pretty significant economies of scale available to us as we grow the company, which we intend to do. And I think as we deploy our excess liquidity, rationalize the liabilities, we fully intend to grow the equity base of this company in the future and realize those economies of scale.
KBW
And based on the current equity base, do you have a view as to what the levered ROE is, you know, over, say, a multi-year period rolling off LIBOR floors, but also rationalizing some of the high-cost liabilities. Do you have a view as to what range we should be thinking about as to achievable ROEs within the existing equity base? Because right now book value is $17.27. The common stock price is $12.47. So, you know, I've seen a lot of mortgage rates get into this situation. I know my peers have as well. where these companies trade below book value and it becomes somewhat difficult to get out of that and grow the common equity base. There could be other tools at your disposal as well. I'm just curious what the outlook for levered returns within existing capital are.
Jack
Sure. Look, I think the outlook is still high single digits. We are a little bit inefficient on the balance sheet in terms of liquidity and all liabilities. Our portfolio on a run rate basis continues to generate low double-digit gross returns. We continue to make loans, you know, and then low double-digit gross returns levered. So I think we have enough of a capital base to grow our earnings once we deploy our liquidity and do some more work on the liability structure to get to those high single-digit net ROEs, which are kind of par for the peer group generally. I just think we just have a little bit more work to do on the balance sheet.
KBW
Okay. I guess a couple of other items. One is clarification. The $0.04 of other to get to the $0.29 of distributable EPS, what does that relate to?
Jack
You mean the difference between GAAP and distributable?
KBW
Yes. I think you give a walk to get to the $0.29.
Jack
It's essentially the non-cash equity comp, which is about three, and there was a slight benefit from provision of half a cent, so that's the difference.
KBW
Got it. Okay.
Jack
You can see it on page six in the presentation.
KBW
Great. And I actually misspoke. The four cents of other to get to the $17.27 of book value, do you happen to know what that's related to?
Jack
Most of that is related to the benefit of the share repurchases. Ah, thanks. Great.
KBW
And then a question for Jack and Steven would be, you know, one company I spoke with said that the majority of the increase in production, they're a brokerage firm, was related to debt funds. And I was wondering if you believe that the surge in repayments that we're seeing across the industry primarily reflects loan takeouts by other debt funds, Or what do you believe the refinancing source of capital is that's driving this elevated level of activity?
Jack Taylor
I'll address that, and then, Steve, if you'd like to follow on. We think it's across the board. There was a huge surge of, I'll call it, increased and renewed interest in the traditional transition in debt specifically, but also the debt fund space generally. And a lot of money came into the space. Also, you know, in the public REIT sector, there's been an acceleration of financings. So we're seeing, I would say, primarily takeouts from the private side, but it's been across the board.
Chris
Jay, I would add that. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Sorry, Jake.
KBW
Well, I was just going to say, so not primarily debt funds. When you guys are losing a loan and you add a huge amount of repayments, which speaks well to the credit quality, but those loans are being taken out by traditional lenders or debt funds?
Chris
Yeah, I would say for our portfolio, notwithstanding the three five-rank loans, the portfolio credit has been strong. And what we're seeing is that a progression of business plans has You know, the agency, the GSEs are wide open. So you're seeing multifamily loans go into, you know, kind of permanent loan takeouts. You're seeing hotels that were transitional that have progressed notwithstanding the pandemic. So for our portfolio, a lot of it is just the natural progression of business plans and being taken out by various types of permanent lenders or securitizations or GSEs. That's a lot of it.
KBW
Okay. Thanks for taking the questions. Appreciate it.
Chris
Sure. Thanks, Jay.
Operator
And this will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Jack Taylor for any closing remarks.
Jack Taylor
Well, thank you, everybody, for joining us today. We really appreciate your questions and your time and attention. We really are excited about continuing our strong operating results and growing our business. And I'd like to personally and for the group wish you all a safe and healthy quarter ahead. Thank you.
Operator
The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines at this time.
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