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spk01: Good morning, my name is Robert, and I'll be your conference facilitator. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to Granite Point Mortgage Trust's second quarter 2023 financial results conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mood. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period. Please note, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Chris Petta, with investor relations for Granite Point.
spk02: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call to discuss Granite Point's second quarter 2023 financial results. With me on the call this morning are Jack Taylor, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Marcin Urbacic, our Chief Financial Officer, Steve Alpert, our Chief Investment Officer and Co-Head of Originations, Peter Murau, our Chief Development Officer and Co-Head of Originations, and Steve Plus, our Chief Operating Officer. After my introductory comments, Jack will provide a brief recap of market conditions and review our current business activities. Steve Alpert will discuss our portfolio, and Marcin will highlight key items from our financial results and capitalization. The press release, financial tables, and earnings supplemental associated with today's call were filed yesterday with the SEC and are available in the investor relations section of our website, along with our Form 10-Q. I would like to remind you that remarks made by management during this call and the supporting slides may include forward-looking statements, which are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Forward-looking statements reflect our views regarding future events and are subject to uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. Please see our filings with the SEC for discussion of some of the risks that could affect results. We do not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP measures on this call. This information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and slides, which are available on our website. I will now turn the call over to Jack.
spk04: Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. We would like to welcome you and thank you for joining us for Granted Point's second quarter 2023 earnings call. Granted Point had another strong operating quarter as our pre-loss distributable earnings of 20 cents per share again covered our common stock dividend. Returns from our floating rate senior loan portfolio continue to benefit from higher short-term interest rates. Despite our maintaining the company's leverage meaningfully below our longer-term target levels, because of the market uncertainty. As the commercial real estate sector continues to adjust to higher costs of capital, lower liquidity in the market, and reset property valuations, the majority of the loans within our well-diversified and granular portfolio have been performing well and supporting our operating results. Our balance sheet remains defensively positioned with low leverage, a diversified funding mix, and strong liquidity in advance of the anticipated repayment with cash of our convertible bonds maturing in October. As we navigate this challenging environment, our lending partners remain very supportive of our business and our proactive asset management efforts. To that end, in recent months, we have extended the maturities on three of our large financing facilities that total over $1.2 billion in borrowing capacity, demonstrating our lenders' alignment with us and support of our platform. In fact, our lenders are looking to expand with us and participate as Granite Point grows over time. We continue to focus on bolstering our balance sheet given the stresses of the increased cost of capital for floating rate based borrowers and the associated refinancing and sale challenges for properties in this market. Our proactive and constructive asset management strategy has been facilitating win-win resolutions as we realized over $200 million of repayments and paydowns during the quarter, some of which were on loans that were previously modified to give borrowers more time to effectuate their exit strategy through either a sale or refinancing. Despite some early signs of developing stability in select areas of the real estate capital markets, we believe that property values and liquidity will continue to be under pressure for the foreseeable future. And given this backdrop, we are maintaining our conservative approach to new loan originations. One of our top priorities is resolving our non-accrual loans, given their meaningful impact on our profitability and the timing of when we can go back on offense once signs of greater market stability emerge. We estimate in the second quarter, non-accruals alone impacted our interest income by over $5 million. not even taking into consideration the higher cost of funds associated with the financing of these assets. We are actively pursuing a range of resolution strategies for these loans, and as in the past, we intend to employ a variety of tools available to us, including modifications that include principal paydowns or other credit enhancements, taking title to the properties via a foreclosure or deed in lieu, and loan sales, as we determine the best course of action to maximize the economic outcome for our shareholders. During the second quarter, we made the decision to take title to the office property in Phoenix through a negotiated deed in lieu of foreclosure, which had previously collateralized our $29 million senior loan that was risk-rated 5. We believe that the optimal resolution path for this investment will be achieved by our having taken ownership of the property and then an ultimate future sale of the property to a new owner. As we mentioned last quarter, this property lays out favorably for potential alternative use as multifamily. We are currently working on a potential sale, and we are encouraged by the progress so far. However, given the continued overall market uncertainty, it is difficult to predict the timing of the potential resolution for this property. High interest rates continue to be a major headwind for the commercial real estate industry, keeping downward pressure on asset values, and it remains unclear for how long rates will remain elevated. Fortunately, the U.S. economy is surpassing expectations, and fundamentals across most subsectors of the commercial real estate market remain resilient. Despite the broad negative sentiment around commercial real estate, in general, our borrowers remain supportive of their properties and continue to protect their investments while they wait for the environment to normalize and transaction activity to begin to increase so they can effectuate their exits and repay our loans. We are keenly aware of the headwinds in the office markets, but it is not monolithic, and loan performance depends on specific market fundamentals and the particulars of any given asset. It remains to be seen what impact the regional banking developments will ultimately have on the commercial real estate market, though it is likely to result in continued lower liquidity and a longer recovery timeframe. Accordingly, in light of these factors, we further increased our CECL reserve on our portfolio in the second quarter, to about 4.1% of total commitments from about 3.8% last quarter. In the near term, we intend to maintain our conservative approach to managing our business and protecting our balance sheet, while emphasizing liquidity and focusing on resolving our more challenged assets, so as to over time improve our run rate profitability and close the gap between our stock price and our book value. Over the course of our long careers in real estate lending, Our team has successfully managed through multiple credit and interest rate cycles, and we will do so again this time, getting to the other side of the current disruptions and taking advantage of attractive investment opportunities in the future for the benefit of our stockholders. I would now like to turn the call over to Steve Halpert to discuss our portfolio activities in more detail.
spk07: Thank you, Jack, and thank you all for joining our call this morning. I'll provide portfolio highlights updates on our four five-rated loans and one REO property and our current view on capital deployment. We ended the second quarter with a total portfolio committed balance of $3.3 billion and an outstanding principal balance of about $3.1 billion, with $172 million of future fundings, accounting for only about 5% of total loan commitments. Our portfolio remains well diversified across regions and property types, and includes 82 investments with an average size of approximately $38 million. Our loans continue to benefit from higher interest rates and deliver an attractive income stream with a favorable overall credit profile with a weighted average stabilized LTV at origination of 63%. Our realized portfolio yield for the second quarter was about 8.2%, which accounts for the impact of the non-accrual loans. During 2Q, we funded about 17 million of existing loan commitments. And so far in the third quarter, we have funded approximately an additional 10 million. Turning to credit, despite some of the challenges and headwinds that Jack just discussed, we are very pleased that the vast majority of our borrowers are protecting their equity and carrying their properties where additional capital is necessary as they continue to progress on their business plans. We continue to see liquidity in our conservatively underwritten middle market loans with over $200 million of repayments and paydowns realized during the second quarter, and approximately an additional $23 million so far in the third quarter, as our borrowers are able to either sell or refinance properties even during these challenging market conditions. We continue to see pressure in the office sector, and that's reflected in our risk rankings. As of June 30th, our portfolio weighted average risk rating ticked modestly higher to 2.7% from 2.6 last quarter, mainly driven by the change in portfolio mix due to repayments and a few rating downgrades. Two of these downgrades involved moving loans from a rating of 3 to 4, mainly due to the ongoing office leasing challenges in those particular markets. A $37 million first mortgage loan collateralized by a mixed-use office and retail property was downgraded to a rating of 4, given local market dynamics and a significant slowdown in leasing activity in downtown Los Angeles. During the quarter, we also downgraded a $79 million first mortgage loan located along the Magnificent Mile in downtown Chicago. The retail portion of the building is fully leased. However, the office component has been lagging given the leasing market slowdown in Chicago. We are in active discussions with both borrowers regarding next steps. With respect to our non-accrual assets, Jack discussed the transfer of the Phoenix office property to REO during the quarter through a negotiated deed in lieu of foreclosure, and we are actively working to sell the property. The borrowers on the four non-accrual five-rated loans continue to work collaboratively with us on a variety of resolution strategies as we look to maximize shareholder value. The four loans total about $245 million in principal balance and have $62 million in specific CECL reserves. implying an average estimated loss rate on those loans of about 25%. We are working with the sponsor of the Minneapolis Hotel on a potential short sale process. The property is currently being marketed for sale by a national brokerage firm. The marketing is in the early stages, and we will reevaluate next steps with the borrower once they have some more feedback from their process in the coming weeks and months. We have been working on a potential sale of the Dallas office loan. The process is ongoing, and we are hopeful that we can come to a potential agreement in the coming months. With respect to the San Diego office loan, we mentioned on our prior call that the property is a good candidate for alternative use, either as a hotel or multifamily asset. Discussions are ongoing, and we hope to potentially resolve this asset by the end of the year, while the timing and ultimate outcomes remain hard to predict. Regarding the $93 million office loan in Minnesota, This property is well located in the CBD and historically performed well. While the local economy continues to be stable and healthy with low unemployment, the challenge in the near term is that the Minneapolis CBD office market has seen a delayed recovery in leasing and employers return to office policies compared to many other large cities. It's harder to predict when the recovery in this market will occur, but some of the key variables include more employees returning to the office, increased leasing and investment sales activity, and the commercial real estate capital markets following some for office properties. We continue to be constructive with the property's institutional quality sponsor as we work toward a resolution, and we'll keep you updated as the situation progresses. We remain focused on resolving these assets given the magnitude of their impact on our returns, and we'll provide more information as these situations develop over the course of the coming months and quarters. As we have discussed in the past, over many real estate and economic cycles, Our team has used a variety of tools to resolve challenged assets, including modifications, restructurings, recapitalizations, loan sales, and taking title via foreclosure or deed-in-lieu. And we intend to use all the tools available to us as we determine the most optimal paths to maximize economic outcomes. Turning to capital deployment, we have been maintaining our cautious stance on new loan originations and continue to have a preference to carry higher liquidity levels given overall market uncertainty and our upcoming convertible note maturity in October. Therefore, we anticipate our portfolio balance will continue to modestly decline for the remainder of the year. I will now turn the call over to Marcin for a more detailed review of our financial results in capitalization.
spk06: Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Yesterday afternoon, we reported our second quarter gap net income of $1.4 million, or $0.03 for basic share, which includes a provision for credit losses of $5.8 million, or $0.11 for basic share. Compared to the prior period, our gap results improved mainly due to a lower provision for credit losses as the increase in our CSER reserve driven by continued unsettled market conditions was more muted than in the first quarter. Free loss distributable earnings for 2Q were $10.2 million, or about $0.20 per basic share, largely in line with the prior quarter, and again, covered our $0.20 common dividend, as the portfolio runoff was mostly offset by higher interest rates and lower expenses. Our distributable earnings to common stockholders were about $6 million, or $0.12 per share, and reflect the realized loss of $4.2 million, or $0.08 per share, related to the transfer of our Phoenix office asset to REO during the quarter. Going forward, we anticipate results from the real estate operations to be largely breakeven from a distributable earnings perspective, while the GAAP results will include expenses related to depreciation and amortization on the REO asset. Our second quarter book value declined by about 15 cents per share, or about 1 percent, to $13.93 per common share, and was mainly affected by the loan loss provision. We did not repurchase any shares in 2Q after being very active, buying back about 1 million shares in the first quarter. As we have done in the past, we intend to remain opportunistic with respect to our buybacks, given our flexible and shareholder value-focused capital allocation strategy, as we navigate the uncertain environment and evaluate our liquidity and other factors. Our CECL reserve at quarter end stood at about $134.6 million, or $2.61 per share, representing about 4.1% of our portfolio commitments as compared to 3.8% last quarter. The increase in our CECL reserve quarter over quarter was mainly related to a higher general allowance driven by assumptions of further declines in property values and other macro factors. As disclosed in our earnings supplemental, Slightly less than half of our CISO allowance is allocated to the foreign on accrual loans. Turning to liquidity and capitalization, we ended the quarter with over $235 million of unrestricted cash, which represented about 25% of our total equity. Our total leverage modestly declined to 2.3 times from 2.5 times in one queue, driven by loan repayments, and remains meaningfully below our target levels. We believe carrying lower leverage to be prudent given market conditions and our upcoming convertible note maturity in October, which we intend to satisfy with cash on the balance sheet. Our funding mix remains well diversified and stable with continued strong support from our lenders. Over the last few months, we extended the maturities on our financing facilities with Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and JP Morgan, totaling over $1.2 billion in borrowing capacity highlighting the strength of our longstanding relationships with our lending partners and the generally favorable credit quality of our portfolio. Additionally, post-quarter end, we announced through an 8-K filing two amendments to our covenants within our financing facilities. The amendments are part of our active balance sheet management and are designed to better reflect the high interest rate environment and better align the tasks with the current market conditions. This step further reinforces our good standing with our lending partners. Thank you again for joining us today, and now we would like to open the call for questions.
spk01: Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, It may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Steve Delaney with JMP Securities. Please proceed with your question.
spk08: Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on a very solid quarter. It's always nice to see that page in the deck of five rated loans, um, not widen, um, to move to shrink. I realized that you have a property in REO and it's just a reclassification. Um, but you know, that strategically you have more control now. So I look at that maybe not as a win, but, uh, extending the game. So, um, on that point, um, could we just get a little color, um, Now that you own a real estate asset, and I was a little late joining the call, I apologize, but could you give us a sense of where leasing stands, you know, at this point, and also have all improvements that the former borrower contemplated through that property to prepare it for leasing, have they all been completed? Thank you.
spk07: Hey, Steve. Good morning. It's Steve Alport. Thanks for joining the call this morning. Good morning. So with respect to leasing, we've mentioned in the past and on this call that the property is well located. It's in a convenient pedestrian downtown location. It's near light rail, mass transit, and that it lays out well for residential residents. So as far as leasing goes, that's not been the focus on this asset, given that the highest and best use is likely conversion to residential versus maximizing office occupancy and office cash flow. So that's the current focus right now. It's really on selling the asset with the highest and best use being multifamily.
spk08: Okay, so this is an existing building that had been office, and the plan, the thought is the highest and best use is to convert it to condo or apartments for rent.
spk07: Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah, it's currently an office building. There are clearly office tenants in the building, but because the highest and best use is likely to be rental apartments, The focus recently has not been on increasing office occupancy. The focus has been on converting this asset to residential rental use.
spk08: Makes sense now. Thank you so much for clarifying that. Sure. And I guess you're obviously looking for probably a developer partner, either someone who would take it over or someone to partner with you all to make that strategic transition. change in the positioning of the property?
spk07: Yes, that's correct. Just to recap, a sales broker has been engaged. We're working on a sale, and currently it's not our expectation that we would convert it, but that we would sell it to a residential converter.
spk04: If I could just add, we're not yet in a formal process of marking it. We've had reverse inquiry from outside parties about this, and it works either as an office or as a residential, but it seems that it might be to our benefit to respond and pursue the residential conversion reverse inquiry we've had. And I'll just say, to answer your earlier question, Our former owner did complete their renovation of the property. It's in fine shape.
spk08: Okay, great. Thanks for those comments, Jeff. And then switching over to the potential sale of the Dallas office loan that is five-rated. Are you seeing – well, let me answer this. I mean – Are you seeing activity on distressed buyers, private debt funds? Are you seeing transactions out there and are there brokers, if you will, that are actually reaching out to you or other commercial mortgage REITs or banks? I guess I'm trying to get a sense for how active the sale of CRE loans in sort of the private markets, private debt markets, how active that business is from a transaction standpoint around the country right now.
spk07: Thanks. Hey, Steve. Steve again. There is clearly a market. There are transactions taking place. The activity obviously varies by market. So there is a market out there, and we are talking to potential, as you said on the call, we're talking to potential buyers on this particular asset about selling the loan. So there is a market out there. The amount of activity really varies market by market, deal by deal.
spk08: It's good to see. I think TRTX sold a loan last quarter as well, so I'd like to see that pick up. Okay, well, thank you all for your comments. Thank you, Steve.
spk01: Our next question comes from Stephen Laws with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.
spk03: Hi, good morning. Steve, I appreciate the color on the loans you ran through, and I wanted to kind of generally follow up on that. And also, Jack, I believe it kind of tied some numbers together. I think you had mentioned there was a $5 million drag on earnings in Q2 from non-accruals. And as I think about those non-accruals, obviously Phoenix is now an REO, but you covered that. It sounds like the other four, you know, I think a few of them you mentioned, you know, hope to have a sale or resolution in the next couple months or by year end. So it sounds like the hope is a number of those get cleared up. So can you talk about, you know, as you think about the relative weighting or, you know, your knowledge on the reserves against each of those individual assets, you know, how do we think about the incremental earnings power in the first half of next year and given your outlook on some of these potential second half resolutions?
spk06: Hey, Steven, it's Marcin. I'll answer the second part of your question and flip it back to Steve Alpert. I think on the resolutions and the earnings impact, obviously we're, you know, as you've heard us say this quite a few times now, it's a meaningful drag and we're really focused on on resolving these assets. You know, the $5 million that Jack quoted is sort of just as if these loans were sort of earning for a quarter. That's what the impact would be. Obviously, they are financed at pretty expensive levels as well, so there would be some impact potentially from that as well. You know, it's going to come down to timing, right? If we're successful, which hopefully we are, resolving a couple of these by the end of the year, uh, that could be several cents a share in earnings per quarter, but it's really, it's really hard to, um, you know, predict as to when these things are going to happen and exactly what, what the structure of the potential resolution is. Um, but I think, you know, it's safe to say that once, once these assets sort of leave the balance, you know, get sort of restructured, whether they're sold or we provide seller financing to a new owner, I mean, the earnings pick up on a runway perspective could be quite meaningful here. But it's really going to come down to timing as to when that actually can happen.
spk03: Great. And, Steve, it seemed like, you know, the mini office was really the only one that had more of a longer-term resolution path. Is that fair, or how do you view the timeline on the other three?
spk07: Yeah, I want to see how it plays out. Look, we just talked about the Phoenix REO. The Minneapolis Hotel is currently being marketed, as we said. It's early stages. We'll evaluate it over the next couple weeks and months. We just spoke about the Dallas deal, the San Diego office deal. We're hoping to resolve that over the next one or two quarters. It could go into early 2024. And then, as you alluded to, as we said, the Minneapolis office is probably the most – the timing is probably the most delayed, just given what's happening in that market. You know, you heard us talk about delayed recovery in the downtown Minneapolis market. So these are all hard to predict, but that one, if we had to predict right now, is probably the – the longest timeline. But look, as Marcin was just talking, our clear goal right now is to resolve all these assets as expeditiously as possible.
spk03: Great. Appreciate the comments. And it certainly seems like as some of those are resolved, potentially provide us a tailwind in earnings as we see that occur. So appreciate that.
spk04: Thank you.
spk03: Thank you.
spk01: Our next question is from Doug Harder with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.
spk05: Thanks. Shifting to liquidity, how do you think about what the right or the necessary level of cash to hold will be once you kind of get through the October convert maturity?
spk06: Morning, Doug. It's Marcin. Happy to answer the question. Look, I think we've always wanted to be sort of 10 to 15% of our capital, um, you know, plus or minus and liquidity, uh, obviously in this type of environment, we'll probably want to be a little bit more than that. Um, you know, we've done it, we've done a good job sort of letting the portfolio run off a little bit and build the liquidity. You know, obviously fortunately, unfortunately we had the two sort of back to back converts that we had to pay off and within 10 months of each other. So we're proud of the fact that we'll be able to sort of satisfy both of them with cash, uh, on the balance sheet from our own resources and, and obviously we are quite delevered. I think there may be some opportunities to relever certain areas of our portfolio, but it will really depend on sort of what's going on within the market, what's going on within the portfolio. If we believe we need additional liquidity, you know, to sort of protect the balance sheet and manage the assets, we'll always be opportunistic as it sort of relates to our capitalization as we've done in the past. So the focus will remain on, you know, building some more liquidity, and we'll sort of see where we are over the next several quarters, sort of depending on what the market and portfolio is doing.
spk05: Great. And as you guys mentioned, you renewed three of your credit facilities kind of in recent months. Was there any significant change in the term, you know, in any of the terms, whether that's, you know, advance rates or the cost or the spreads on those debts?
spk06: Nothing really meaningful. There's always some adjustments, you know, almost on a monthly basis, but those are sort of more related to just sort of assets that are sitting on these facilities. But nothing really material with respect to extensions. Our lenders, we've done business with them for many, many years. They remain very supportive. They want to do more business with us. As you've heard us say in the past, right, we've refinanced two of our delivered CLOs with two of our largest banking relationships. We've just amended a couple of our covenants without any issues. So we have really, really good relationships with these parties, and they continue to want to do more business with us, which to me sort of keeps pointing to the overall credit quality of our portfolio and our relationships and our asset management capabilities.
spk05: Great. Thank you, Marcin.
spk01: Our next question comes from Jade Romani with KBW. Please proceed with your question.
spk00: Thank you very much. When I look across the portfolio, and thank you for providing the disclosure, stratifying by origination date and original term, a large share of the portfolio seems to have passed maturity, you know, something around 50 loans. So I'm wondering, could you just provide some insight? I know the terms can be flexible in transitional loans, and there's constantly modifications, extensions, et cetera. But just can you talk to maybe aside from the loans that you've called out where, you know, there's resolutions being sought in your term, those loans that are past maturity but not yet, you know, risk-rated four and five?
spk07: Sure. Hey, Jay, good morning. It's Steve. So, look, we're constantly looking out at loans coming up on extensions. Some loans have gone past long on maturity. We expect that as a lot of these loans will pay off in the normal course, And other loans will extend as of right. And then to the extent that loans don't extend as of right, they don't meet the debt yield extension test, whatever the condition may be, we're working, as you heard us say in prior calls, we're working with those borrowers. It's always case by case. We have a playbook for those. The playbook has been, and a lot of this is on the office loans, but not just the office loans. where if someone comes up on an extension or more recently on a final maturity, if the borrower is doing everything right, if they're investing more capital into the deal, that could take the form of paydowns or filling up debt service reserve buckets or additional structure. We are open to creating win-win loan modifications and extending those out to give borrowers more time. And that has been the general theme that we're seeing across the portfolio. And then for the smaller cohort of loans that borrowers don't want to put more money in, those are the ones that we just finished talking about. But yes, we have some loans that have gone where we granted an extension in exchange for, you know, pay downs and structure. And we'll likely continue to do that as we work through the next, you know, coming quarters.
spk00: Thank you for that. So we shouldn't be alarmed by necessarily loans having been past maturity. Not necessarily an indication of deterioration.
spk07: I think the best thing to look at is the risk rankings. When we do the quarterly risk rankings, we look at a lot of factors. It's a very robust process, but clearly loan term extensions and maturities is all factored into that. So I would guide you to or point you to our risk rankings as probably a good place to look.
spk00: Okay. And then just broadly speaking, maybe yourself or Jack, I would say that reviewing the bank results, life insurance, and the mortgage REITs this quarter, my main takeaway is probably credit deterioration is continuing but at a decelerated pace, and there have been no big new shoes to drop. The major losses we've seen have been loans generally that have been known as distressed in the mortgage REIT space. Are you surprised by that? Do you agree with that? And overall performance, in fact, have you viewed it as better than expected?
spk04: Hi, Jay. This is Jack. Good to speak with you. Thank you for the question. I would say that we've not been surprised, and this really is a bifurcation, that there's ongoing stresses in this market induced primarily by I believe, by the Fed's elevated level of interest rates and the intentional withdrawal of liquidity. And so there are secular changes in various property types, including office, that I think are overemphasized by the market but are there. And so we're experiencing in watching this market a continuation of stress against it, But we're not that surprised by some of the improvements, if you will, or what I'll call the resilience and durability, particularly in our own portfolio, because we're aware of those assets and what they're doing. And some of them, you know, for example, we have one of our quite aged loans. You were just talking about that. We expect to repay in the next quarter or so because of all the things that Steve was citing. We've worked with them. They've paid it down. They've repositioned it, and it's ready to go. But really, I think inherent in your question is whether or not we're expecting to see further negative credit migration. I think there will be in the industry as a whole. We're a year into this cycle of increasing rates and several years into the pressure on office leasing. So hopefully, as an industry, we're Most of the challenges are known, but ultimately it's largely a function of the overall economy, the interest rates, capital markets, leasing markets. So we expect to have upgrades and downgrades in our portfolio in the normal course of the business. And to the extent we see further pressure, it's certainly possible we could experience further downgrades. But we'll also expect to have upgrades. And I'll just remind you that when we went into the pandemic, we downgraded almost all of our hotels to a 4%. kind of defensively, preemptively because of what was going on, and many, many of those came up to three rating or two rating over time. So, you know, it's part of the normal process. We assess it, and I agree with what Steve said. We should guide you to look at our risk rankings as our overall feeling about where things are. So I don't want to say that there won't be, in the industry or for us, any further credit migration downwards, and there will be upwards.
spk00: Thank you. WeWork made a disclosure about going concern risk in their 10Q and earnings release. Their liquidity is diminished, and they continue to burn through cash. So it looks like there's a reasonable probability of a bankruptcy. Can you quantify, if you have it, any exposure to WeWork? Some of your peers, it's about 1% of office square footage. not sure what it is for GPMT, and also if a failure of WeWork changes anything in your mind about office risk in the outlook.
spk07: Hey, Jay, it's Steve. We have de minimis co-working risk and de minimis WeWorking risk.
spk00: And I'll answer about... Yeah, go ahead.
spk04: I think if they fail... I think it will have an effect on office just as any major tenant, you know, that's dispersed throughout the country would as well. I think most owners have been girding for that, if you will, and trying to figure it in. But it will have some effect, and it just won't directly affect our assets.
spk00: Thank you very much.
spk04: Thank you, James.
spk01: We've reached the end of the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Jack Taylor for closing comments.
spk04: Well, thank you. And I'd like to thank everybody for joining us today. We really appreciate your time and attention. We'd like to thank our team for all the hard work that you've been putting in to maintain our portfolio and the quality of it. And I especially want to thank our investors for the ongoing support you've shown to us. Thank you again.
spk01: This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.
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