11/1/2023

speaker
Eric
Conference Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Eric and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Green Brick Partners Incorporated third quarter 2023 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Rick Costello, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

speaker
Rick Costello
Chief Financial Officer

Good afternoon and welcome to GreenBrick Partners' earnings call for the third quarter ended September 30th, 2023. Following today's remarks, we will hold a Q&A answer. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be available for playback. In addition, a presentation will accompany today's webcast. And it's also available on the company's website at investors.greenbrickpartners.com. Joining us on the call today is Jim Berkman, co-founder and chief executive officer, Jed Dolson, president and chief operating officer, and Rick Costello, chief financial officer. Some of the information discussed on this call is forward-looking, including the company's financial and operational expectations for 2023 and beyond. In yesterday's press release and SEC filings, the company detailed material risks that may cause its future results to differ from its expectations. The company's statements are as of today, November 1st, 2023, and the company has no obligation to update any forward-looking statements it may make. The comments also include non-GAAP financial metrics. The reconciliation of these metrics and the other information required by Regulation G can be found in the earnings release that the company issued yesterday and in the presentation available on the company's website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jim Burtman. Jim?

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Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Before we start, I would like to congratulate Jed Dolson on his promotion to President and Chief Operating Officer of Green Break. Jed has been an integral part of our leadership team for almost 14 years and has consistently demonstrated exceptional leadership, and a deep commitment to the company's mission and values. Jed has and will continue to play a critical role in driving the company's success. Now, moving on to our performance, I am extremely pleased to report another exceptional quarter for Greenbrick's financial and operating performance. Led by our industry-leading percentage increase of net new sale orders, and record gross margins, we continued to defy the pressure on housing affordability and sales velocity created by the elevated level of mortgage rates during 3Q. Our performance continued to lead the homebuilding industry, highlighted by homebuilding gross margins of 33.3%, which were both a record high for GreenBrick and the best among public homebuilding peers as shown on slide 4. Strong orders and improved cycle times that are 120 days shorter than peak cycle times in 2022 boosted our home revenue deliveries in 3Q by 16% year-over-year to 754 closed homes. As a result, home building revenue increased 5.3% to $116 million. We continue to generate over 80% of our revenues from infill and infill adjacent communities. Net income for the third quarter was $72 million, or $1.56 per diluted share, which resulted in a return on average book equity of 25.3% year to date. We believe our exceptional results stem from our superior locations, our self-development land strategy, operational and process improvements, and most importantly, the hard work, dedication, and operational excellence of our team. Net new orders remained robust during the third quarter, increasing 95% year-over-year to 788 homes. Year-to-date, our net new orders grew 73% year-over-year, the best rate of increase among public home building peers as shown on slide five. Our cancellation rate decreased 130 basis points sequentially to 6.1%, which was the second lowest cancellation rate in company history and the lowest cancellation rate among peers. CHED will provide more color on our sales environment shortly. According to the National Association of Realtors, with higher interest rates and an already constrained supply of homes, National affordability fell over the summer to the lowest level since 1985. As shown on slide six, existing home inventory has dropped to near historical lows, with most of our markets having three or fewer months of supply. Existing homeowners continue to stay put rather than lose their low rate mortgages, and this is particularly true in infill locations. As shown on slide seven, over 60% of outstanding mortgages have an interest rate below 4%, and more than 80% have an interest rate below 5%. GreenBrick has been able to maintain a strong sales pace because a significant portion of our homes are in desirable infill locations, with fewer selling owners selling existing homes and less competition from other builders. Demand has continued to grow, as 3 million additional millennial and Gen Z potential homebuyers have begun to enter the market and are expected to continue to impact demand over the next decade as shown on slide eight. Most importantly, Dallas and Atlanta, our two largest markets, are attracting more of this demographic compared to the U.S. average, largely due to growing employment and relative affordability. We expect this will continue to create opportunity for Greenbrick to offer new home construction in desirable locations and to gain market share in the face of lower available inventory. According to John Burns, new homes are 30% of total home sales in Dallas for the trailing 12 months through August. This compares to 18% for the top 32 markets in the U.S. and 10 to 15% historically. To position us to capture this long-term demand, we continue to prioritize our search for prime land opportunities. As the availability and cost of capital reaches an unsustainable level for many small builders and developers, we have begun to observe more pockets of opportunity. While overall land prices remain sticky, we believe our strong balance sheet and industry-leading gross margins will continue to provide us with opportunities. We expect that our close-knit relationships with local landowners and our entitlement and development expertise will allow us to source and act quickly on deals that are strategically aligned with our business. For one example, our recent acquisition of 78 home sites in Vero Beach for our subsidiary builder, GHO Homes, represents the last remaining new home opportunities in a longstanding desirable high-end master plan community. Due to low existing home inventory and limited competition from other new home builders, we expect to generate attractive returns and gross margins in this community. In the face of uncertainty and rates, we remain resilient and adaptable. We pride ourselves on our ability to navigate the present turbulent environment while maintaining focus on our long-term objectives. I do believe we're in a different dynamic than we were in a year ago. Despite higher mortgage rates, buyers have been adjusting to the more challenging rate environment as we have seen more than twice as many cash deals year over year, but consistently strong FICO scores. FICO scores average 748 on our Q3 closings. We have reduced the use of mortgage rate buy downs since the beginning of 2023, but it is still available in our toolkit as required. And because of our industry-leading gross margins, we will have more flexibility in adjusting home prices as needed. Our team will continue to monitor and evaluate each community and optimize pricing and sales pace. With our operational efficiency and strong understanding of our local markets, we have the ability to modify square footage, floor plans, and options to help address affordability issues and buyers' needs. With that, I'll now turn it over to Rick to provide more detail regarding our financial results. Rick?

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Rick Costello
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jim. Please turn to slide 9 of the presentation. Home closings revenue for the third quarter grew 5.3% to $416 million, driven by our 16% year-over-year increase in home closing units to 754 homes delivered. This is partially offset by a 9% decline in our ASP to $551,000. The decline in ASP was predominantly driven by a year-over-year increase in the percentage of Trophy Signature homes closed, as well as by a change in product mix within Trophy. In that regard, Trophy has both shifted to offering smaller score footage homes and transition from their most expensive houses as they close out their most prime locations our home building gross margin was not affected by a lower asp on the contrary it has climbed each quarter since 4q of 22 and reached a record high of 33.3 percent during the third quarter this q3 level was 90 basis points higher than our previous record set in 3q of 22 Homebuilding gross margins have consistently been among the highest in the homebuilding industry, as shown on slide four. SG&A as a percentage of residential unit revenue for the third quarter was up 40 basis points year over year to 11.3%, primarily due to an increase in brokerage commissions that have returned to historic norms for co-broker deals. For the quarter, pre-tax income increased 0.5%, to $98 million. Net income attributable to GreenBrick and diluted earnings per share were slightly down to $72 million and $1.56 per share, respectively, due to a higher tax rate in connection with the timing and stricter eligibility for 45L energy efficiency home credits. We expect fewer homes to be eligible for tax credits this year compared to 2022. due to the change in qualification requirements. However, we are building more ENERGY STAR certified homes to increase our future ability to capture available tax credits. Our book value per share was $26.39 at the end of the quarter, up 26% year over year. In the face of higher mortgage rates, we continue to lead our public home building peers in year-to-date new order growth, as shown on slide five. During the third quarter, net new home orders increased 95% year-over-year to 788 units. Revenue from new home orders was up 80% year-over-year to $452 million. Active selling communities at the end of Q3 increased 16% year-over-year to 86, leading to a 74% increase in our quarterly absorption rate to 9.2 homes per average active selling community. Our cancellation rate for the third quarter continued to decline, dropping 1,150 basis points year over year and 130 basis points sequentially to 6.1%, the second lowest in company history. And as shown on slide 11, this third quarter cancellation rate was also the lowest among public home building peers. We believe the strong demand we experienced is a function of our quality locations, demographic growth, and in-migration in our core markets. Our infill and infill-adjacent communities face limited competition from existing home supply, as existing homeowners are reluctant to forfeit their low interest rate mortgages. There are also fewer new home competitors in those areas due to the lack of land availability, the higher total finished lot costs, and the more complicated entitlement and development processes required for these desirable locations. Fueled by strong demand, we have been able to gradually increase our backlog closer to our desired level. Backlog value at the end of the third quarter increased 10% year over year and has now increased 69% from the end of last year to $623 million. Backlog ASP slightly increased 1.3% to $680,000. Now, unlike our decline in ASP on closed homes, our backlog ASP did not decline as Trophy sold a larger portion of finishing homes that closed during the same quarter in which they were sold. This is compared to our other builders who sold a greater number of homes at earlier stages of construction. Trophy, a spec home builder, now represents a smaller portion of overall backlog value as buyers at lower price points are more comfortable with quick delivery homes. Spec units under construction as a percentage of total units under construction was 61% at the end of the third quarter, down from 73% at the end of 2022. Additionally, during Q3, we ramped up starts by 79% year-over-year to 879 homes started for the quarter against the backdrop of continued strong demand. Year-to-date starts now total 2,379, averaging 793 per quarter. This level of starts is roughly in line with our delivery pace for the year through September 30th. And over 1,700 of those starts have occurred in the last two quarters, indicating the accelerated pace of starts since the beginning of the year. Subject to the movements of mortgage rates, we anticipate continuing to start homes at a robust pace to meet demand in our high performing markets in Texas, Georgia, and Florida. Finally, our balance sheet is stronger than ever. At the end of the third quarter, 100% of our debt was fixed rate with an average pay rate of 3.3%. We have $223 million of cash on hand at the end of the third quarter that is ready to deploy opportunistically. We also have no amounts drawn on $360 million of lines of credit, providing ample liquidity and flexibility. Our debt-to-total capital ratio as of 9-30-23 decreased 620 basis points from last year and 110 basis points sequentially to 21.8%. Our net debt-to-total capital ratio was 9.0% as of the quarter's end. down 1,650 basis points from last year and 160 basis points from last quarter. We will continue to improve the strength of our balance sheet while we carefully evaluate growth opportunities. With that, I'll now turn it over to Jed.

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Jed? Thank you, Rick. Despite higher mortgage rates, sales orders were stronger than typical seasonal trends across our brands during the third quarter. Net orders in Q3 were up 95% year-over-year, and year-to-date net orders are now 73% higher. This was not a surprise to us as demand continued to outweigh supply in our infill and infill-adjacent locations. While demand is robust, affordability became more challenging as mortgage rates increased during the third quarter. As a result, incentives on new orders ticked up in September to 5.1%. For the quarter, incentives averaged at 4.4% of sales price, up from 3.9% the previous quarter. Our perimeter neighborhoods required the most incentives. We are carefully managing our sales pace on a community-by-community basis. While sales orders remain strong year-over-year in an eight An 8% plus mortgage rate may cause a negative impact on buyer psychology and create affordability concerns that affect buyers' decisions on how much house they can purchase, where they can afford to purchase a home, and whether to purchase a home. In October, we increased incentives and restored offering limited rate buy-downs and or closing cost credits in selective neighborhoods. We will continue to monitor the market carefully to adjust our pricing as needed, as well as use our market intelligence to drive decisions on exactly what type of floor plans to build and options to provide, providing, when prudent, more affordable options for our buyers and broadening our base of potential buyers. As Jim mentioned earlier, our industry-leading gross margins should afford us to be more aggressive in pricing our homes if the market slows down. Our supply chain remains stable. With improvements in the availability of labor and materials, our overall cycle times for homes closed in the third quarter decreased by another 40 days sequentially to approximately 6.1 months on average. This is a total of more than 120 days of improvement from peak cycle times in 2022. Trophy cycle time declined to 4.4 months, allowing Trophy to bring more inventory to market, which is critical to homebuyers facing heightened uncertainty on rates. This is also allowing Trophy to turn inventory more frequently during the year, thereby increasing our effective return on investment. We expect our scale as the third largest homebuilder in DFW along with our better operational efficiencies, will allow us to continue to improve our cycle time performance. Our focus remains on managing our capital efficiently as we continue sourcing, closing, and developing new land opportunities under disciplined underwriting that we believe will be accretive for our growth story. On the land development side, we continue to expect to have approximately 6,000 finished lots as of the end of the year, with 80% of those lots in infill and infill adjacent locations, as shown on slides 12, 13, and 14. Based on our exceptional gross margin and operating margin performance, we have been allocating more resources toward land acquisition opportunities. During the third quarter and in October, we closed on several opportunistic land deals. One notable transaction was our second land acquisition in Austin. The new community, Breaker Valley, is conveniently located near downtown Austin. Future residents will enjoy quick access to UT Austin, employment hubs like the Samsung Austin Semiconductor Plant, and popular recreation activities. At the end of the quarter, we hold ample high-quality land positions across our markets with over 26,200 lots owned and controlled. With a solid pipeline, we are well positioned to grow our market share in supply-constrained infill and infill adjacent submarkets. I would also like to provide an update on our first community in Austin, Trinity Ranch, that opened for sale at the end of July. We are very encouraged by the amount of interest in traffic in Trinity Ranch since opening. At the end of October, we have sold 18 homes in the first three months. The ASP on the new homes at Trinity Ranch is around $325,000. The Austin area continues to experience population growth driven by a resilient job market and excellent quality of life, creating an influx of new families. We're excited to expand the footprint of Trophy Signature Homes through our value-rich homes. With that, I'll turn it over to Jim for closing remarks.

speaker
Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jed. To conclude our call today, I want to express my appreciation to our employees. We believe that a company is only as extraordinary as its people. We are proud to have a team that embodies the company's vision and mission and has worked tirelessly to achieve industry-leading performance time and again. I would also like to congratulate Jed again on his well-earned promotion and thank him for his leadership and contributions. Jed's strategic and disciplined approach to our operations has led to GreenBrick's success and growth. We remain committed to executing our strategic goals and capitalizing on the long-term demand for housing. We pride ourselves on building exceptional homes at industry-leading gross margins and expanding our market share while maintaining a strong balance sheet. We are well equipped to continue to create value for our shareholders. Thank you once again for your participation and support. This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the line for questions.

speaker
Eric
Conference Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Jay McCandless with Wedbush. Please go ahead.

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Jay McCandless
Analyst, Wedbush

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. So the first question I had, talking about the price shift and trophy signature, any color you could give us on where ASPs are running for that brand now versus where maybe they had been a quarter or two ago?

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, this is Jed. Jay, we You know, we've seen a dip from, say, 480K down to approximately 450,000 over the past two quarters.

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Jay McCandless
Analyst, Wedbush

And do you think that's going to be the kind of the run rate going forward with that brand?

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

probably you know it's it's hard to figure out mix right now i think we you know we just mentioned that austin at is averaging about 325 000 we build smaller homes down there so if the consumers are gravitating toward the smaller homes it possibly could go down you know below 450.

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Jay McCandless
Analyst, Wedbush

And then the other question I had, with these smaller homes, are we still talking the same gross margin percentage, or how is that going to trend as you go to those smaller footprints?

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, great question.

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Unnamed Analyst
Analyst (Unidentified)

We're seeing consistent margin at Trophy across square footage. Great, that's all I had.

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Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

This is Jim. Add a little bit of color to that. As Trophy continues to be a greater percentage of our revenue, I think you are going to see margins on Trophy go down, but we're still optimistic that our return on capital is going to maintain the same because we're going to be able to turn that inventory much faster at slightly lower margins. You know, we think that the economics are going to be similar to the rest of our brands, but it's just going to come slightly lower margins, slightly faster sales pace, lower cycle time. Okay.

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Unnamed Analyst
Analyst (Unidentified)

Great. Thank you, Jim. Appreciate it.

speaker
Eric
Conference Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Carl Reichardt with BTIG. Please go ahead.

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Carl Reichardt
Analyst, BTIG

Thanks, everybody. Congratulations, Jed. Jim, you talked about land and seeing some pockets of opportunity now. One of your peers said yesterday that they're starting to see lot developers who thought they had a builder on a hook, a small builder for a deal. The small builders are walking from deals, can't put them on balance sheet or whatever. So they're seeing some opportunities. Can you talk about the kinds of deals you're seeing out there? Is this more related to trophy, more related to the traditional business? What kind of margin you're underwriting to it, and what has changed to make those opportunities show up? If it's not price, is there something else that's suddenly made them attractive, like they're available and they weren't before? Thanks.

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Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think the main driver of this is capital availability. It's really not demand. That's why we're pretty optimistic about what's going on. We're still seeing very strong demand for housing. to get an acquisition development loan at a bank right now is a very difficult process for a developer. And we have actually cashed out some developers where we were going to option lots in future phases. As you know, we were sitting on about $230 million of cash. And in three or four neighborhoods, these developers really wanted cash badly, and we helped him with that situation at really favorable economics to our company by basically buying lots that we had optioned in future phases that we think are great because we've been building there for a year, two, three years with great sales. And we seized on those opportunities. We think there's going to be more opportunities. One of the opportunities we really are working on two or three transactions right now that we don't have a lot of competition in is buying larger piece of properties that might have a small commercial component to them, or maybe even a small multifamily component to them. Those are very difficult deals to finance right now. And we will buy large parcels that have those components where other builders won't. And basically, we put those parcels in at the very de minimis value. So if they don't work out, we don't have a lot of risk. and we're buying it for the residual value of either the single family or the townhouse land. So, yeah, we're seeing kind of the first end of opportunities just because of the capital-constrained markets of the lending environment and the higher cost of capital.

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Carl Reichardt
Analyst, BTIG

That's a very comprehensive answer. Thanks. And then, obviously, we talked a lot about Trophy, how it's performing, what the customers there are seeing. Can you talk about the business, sort of the second move up and some of the the segments of the business that you address that a lot of the other public builders don't on the higher end and how those communities are performing, what your customers are seeing and doing. Thanks.

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, I'll take that, Carl. This is Jed. We're seeing very strong demand for the infill locations in the second and even third time move up. So we're seeing, you know, We're seeing far less incentives at those price points and very continued strong demand. Those houses are not as easy to build as the lower entry-level trophy homes, so they're more complex. So we're happy with the sales pace that we're selling those homes at today.

speaker
Rick Costello
Chief Financial Officer

And Carl, interestingly, this is Rick. Interestingly, our deposits are still real strong there. And we're seeing probably twice as many cash deals as we did before as buyers are recognizing, hey, this is like getting a 30-year 8% CD. So they have the capability of selling assets or we're already in cash.

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Carl Reichardt
Analyst, BTIG

That makes sense. All right. Thanks, Rick. Thanks, everybody.

speaker
Eric
Conference Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Alex Rigel with B Reilly Securities. Please go ahead.

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Alex Rigel
Analyst, B. Reilly Securities

Thank you. Nice quarter, gentlemen. A couple quick questions here. First, can you talk a little bit about sort of the net new community openings plan for the next four quarters?

speaker
Rick Costello
Chief Financial Officer

We're not disclosing any kind of range of percentages in new community growth. But with 6,000 finished lots on the ground at the end of the year, we're going to have plenty of start opportunities, including new communities, obviously.

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

From an operational standpoint, I would just add that we're excited about the 6,000 lots. We feel like we will not be bumping up against sales limitations. and or gap out situations like we previously have. The fact of the matter is it just takes a long time to get these lots on the ground in today's environment. We really like the basis we're at. We really love the locations and we're excited to just build homes and not have to worry about land development so much.

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Alex Rigel
Analyst, B. Reilly Securities

And then new home or home starts outpace new orders a bit. It starts where I think 3.4 per community. Is your target absorption three or higher now? Is that sort of a safe number to assume?

speaker
Rick Costello
Chief Financial Officer

That's the neighborhood that we've been on the top side of now for the entire year. Actually, for the entire year, we're more like 3.6, but three works great. right in that neighborhood would be wonderful.

speaker
Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

You know, and as Trophy expands at lower price points, obviously we're expecting a lot more sales per neighborhood. You know, we were thrilled in Austin. We just had a grand opening there. Would you make 12 sales here this month, Jed? We did. So I hope we do that next month, no promise. But as Trophy expands, expands in the $350,000 price point, then we expect a lot more sales per neighborhood.

speaker
Eric
Conference Operator

Very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Alex Barron with Housing Research Center. Please go ahead.

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Alex Barron
Analyst, Housing Research Center

Good morning, gentlemen, and great job on the quarter. Sorry, I had to step out for a couple minutes, so I don't know if somebody asked this already, but on your margins, you know, obviously a new high here. I was just kind of curious how much in the way of incentives is embedded in those margins, and how sustainable do you guys foresee those, you know, being into the next year or so?

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Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

Well, we answered it partly, Alex. The margins in our AAA locations, particularly like the Providence Group in Georgia, only builds in totally infill locations. Incentives there were totally de minimis. In a C location for trophy, where we're going to be down the street from other large public builders, Jed, what are our incentives are going to be competitive with Horton and what you're seeing with Pulte and other guys.

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, they could range up to 8%.

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Unnamed Analyst
Analyst (Unidentified)

Wow.

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Rick Costello
Chief Financial Officer

Alex, it's very much going to vary by community on a blended basis. We went from 3.9 to 4.4% total incentives during the quarter from Q3 to Q4. You know, so if interest rates could remain high, they're going to be a little bit higher. So, it really will depend on what your forecast is for interest rates.

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Alex Barron
Analyst, Housing Research Center

Got it. So, in terms of, I was wondering if you guys have any kind of average statistics for your average consumer. You know, what's their household income? What's their average FICO? What's the average down payment that they're putting down? Those types of things.

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Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

But the average FICA was 743. Obviously, that varies. As you move out in the perimeter, it goes down. And as you move into a AAA location, it goes up, as does the down payment. Down payments with our Florida builder, GHO, are over $100,000. Our cancellation rate, I think, was one as a result. When you go to a C location, You know, we will experience probably the more typical 15% to 16% cancellation rate. And, you know, in the infill locations, they're still single digit.

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Alex Barron
Analyst, Housing Research Center

What about household incomes that you guys are seeing?

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

They range so widely, just even within Trophy, that I hate to give an exact number on that. It's really community by community.

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Alex Barron
Analyst, Housing Research Center

I guess what I'm just trying to get at is, You know, there's this wide perception that 8% is, like, hard for people to qualify, but obviously that depends what people are looking at the home. So that's what I'm trying to get at.

speaker
Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

Well, our mortgage joint venture tells us there's still wiggle room in incomes, but we're pushing on the C location the most the buyer can pay, if that answers your question.

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, I would add that in the perimeter locations, we're seeing the debt to income ratios in the low 40s. Yeah, and it's not uncommon for average household income in those far perimeter locations, $8,000 to $10,000 a month.

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Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

Alex, let me touch on one of the things that I don't think we communicate enough to analysts and investors. Our trophy brand, Jed, what's the smallest down payment or earnest money deposit we get at the trophy?

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, typically $5,000.

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Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

Okay, so let's say it's $4,000 to $5,000 a trophy. Many of our peers, when you take a look at their backlog, they're accepting contracts with a $500 earnest money deposit. It's basically a free option for buyers. That's another reason why our cancellation rate is so much lower because We're not a credit repair shop. We actually expect people, when they give us earnest money, to buy a house and close.

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

And we're seeing most buyers transact, especially with the trophy brand. We're seeing them buy finished homes where they can contract and close within 30 days.

speaker
Jim Berkman
Co-founder & Chief Executive Officer

So what I'm trying to say is all backlogs are not created equally. We have a higher quality backlog.

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Alex Barron
Analyst, Housing Research Center

Got it. And if I could ask one more, are you guys using forward commitments to lower the rates or just standard, you know, buy down the points, standard rate buy down?

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Jed Dolson
President & Chief Operating Officer

We're using some forward commitments, but our typical incentive package, the consumer's using it to partially pay down rates and partially pay for closing costs. Our mortgage JV tells us that you know, for this quarter, our average rate for mortgage close was about 100 bps underneath what market rate was that day or during that time period. So they're using some of that incentive to buy down the rate.

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Unnamed Analyst
Analyst (Unidentified)

Got it.

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Alex Barron
Analyst, Housing Research Center

All right. Well, very good and best of luck for the rest of the year. Thanks.

speaker
Eric
Conference Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if there are any follow-up questions, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.

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Unnamed Analyst
Analyst (Unidentified)

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, there are no further questions. This concludes today's call.

speaker
Eric
Conference Operator

Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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