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spk08: Thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Gates Industrial Corporation Q4 2022 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press star one. Thank you. Rich Quaz, Vice President of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.
spk04: Good morning, and thank you for joining us on our fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings call. I'll briefly cover our non-GAAP and forward-looking language before passing the call over to our CEO, Ivo Jurek, who will be followed by Brooks Mallard, our CFO. Before the market opened today, we published our fourth quarter 2022 results. A copy of the release is available on our website at investors.gates.com. Our call this morning is being webcast and is accompanied by a slide presentation. On this call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. Reconciliations of historical non-GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release and the slide presentation, each of which is available in the investor relations section of our website. Please refer now to slide two of the presentation, which provides a reminder that our remarks will include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed in or implied by such forward-looking statements. These risks include, among others, matters that we have described in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and in other filings we make with the SEC. We disclaim any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. We'll be attending several investor conferences over the next month, including the Citi Global Industrial Tech and Mobility Conference, the Barclays Select Industrial Conference, and the Evercore ISI Industrial Conference. We look forward to meeting with many of you. With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Ivo.
spk06: Thank you, Rich. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. I would also like to take this opportunity and welcome Rich to our team. He, as you know, has taken the lead position in investor relations here at Gates. He's a seasoned professional, with many years of experience on the sell side, as well as in-house. With that, let's start on slide three of the presentation. Our global teams delivered mid-team score growth in the fourth quarter. Underlying demand was stronger than expected in North America and EMEA, especially during the second half of the quarter, and more than offset the COVID-induced slowdown in China. Growth was relatively consistent across our channels. Importantly, our conversion of orders improved as supply chain inefficiencies eased in the latter part of the quarter, particularly in Europe. We exited the year in a more balanced position with supply meeting the underlying demand. The weaker dollar exchange rate at year end and better fill rates of aged orders in Europe benefited revenues by approximately 250 basis points year over year and contributed to the elevated sequential revenue growth. We are pleased with the progress our teams have made to enhance order conversion and believe activity should be more normalized as 2023 evolves. Our profitability in the quarter improved nicely versus prior year and the resulting margin expansion was consistent with the guidance provided in November. While volume growth contributed to margin performance, we incurred incremental costs to convert past due orders, which modestly impacted the profit flow. Our global commercial teams continue to price effectively to preserve margin neutrality. Our improved performance helped generate a 34% incremental margin. Free cash generation was very strong in a quarter as anticipated. Free cash flow to adjusted net income was well in excess of 300% and benefited from the outline margin improvement as well as higher working capital terms driven by inventory reductions. We are intently focused on increasing our working capital efficiency and boosting our free cash flow conversion as supply chain conditions moderate.
spk15: Moving now to slide four.
spk06: Our total revenue was $893 million, which represents core growth of 16% versus the prior year period. Foreign currencies were approximately 6.5% headwind year over year. We experienced double-digit core growth in nearly all end markets, led by personal mobility, which grew 41 percent, followed by our energy and off-highway markets, which collectively grew approximately 20 percent year over year. In general, we saw stable demand trends with improvements in our fill rates as we moved through the second half of the quarter. Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA was $166 million, which translated to an 18.6% adjusted EBITDA margin and an increase of 150 basis points year over year. We executed well, and the overall operating environment became more constructive. While we are not completely past supply chain challenges, we are encouraged by the stabilization experienced in the fourth quarter. Adjusted earnings per share was 25 cents. Our operating income was up significantly year over year, contributing approximately 10 cents per share. However, tax headwinds of 15 cents per share more than offset the improvement. Please turn to slide five in our segment level highlights. The power transmission segment produced revenues of approximately $552 million in a quarter, driven by nearly 15% core growth year over year, offset by an 8% FX headwind. All end markets experienced healthy top-line expansion. Similar to enterprise, personal mobility, off-highway, and energy were the leading growth engines for the segment. Our opportunity pipeline in personal mobility grew about 50% in 2022. We exited the year with solid margin expansion and price cost imbalance. Our fluid power segment posted revenue of $341 million, including 18% core growth. and negative effects impact of 3%. We realized solid growth in all end markets with automotive, off-highway, and energy being the outperformers. Our innovation efforts continue to pay dividends with new products contributing to fluid power segment core growth and share gain in 2022. As a result of investments made in 2018, Our existing capacity is sufficient to support our growth aspirations via new product development and market expansion well into the future. Our segment profitability improved nicely, fueled by a 45% incremental margin on higher revenues and included improved price-cost dynamics compared to the prior year period. I will now turn the call over to Brooks for additional color on the results. Brooks.
spk02: Thank you, Ivo. Moving now to slide six and the regional breakdown of our core revenue performance. We experienced double digit growth in all our major geographic markets with the exception of China. Our overall fourth quarter growth rate benefited from relative strength in North America and EMEA, our largest regions. In North America, we realized double digit core growth in nearly all of our markets, led by automotive and off-highway, which each grew more than 20% year-over-year. The EMEA region delivered the strongest growth in the quarter, with core revenues increasing 22% year-over-year. The off-highway and energy end markets each grew by more than 30% year-over-year. Our personal mobility business grew nearly 80%, the highest quarterly growth rate we experienced in 2022. Overall growth was solid and aided by an improved supply of raw materials and some catch up to customer demand. Our China top line performance posted a year over year decline due to shutdowns related to rising COVID infections during the quarter. Finally, Our markets in South America and East Asia and India performed well, delivering accretive core growth rates. In aggregate, we were pleased with the growth trends and improvement in supply chain fundamentals. On slide seven, we show details on our cash flow performance and balance sheet. Our free cash flow was $226 million. which was 317% of our adjusted net income for the quarter. The stabilization of the supply chain and improved order conversion helped contribute to higher inventory turns year over year. Our net leverage declined to 2.8 times and represented a meaningful improvement relative to the third quarter. During the quarter, we strengthened our capital structure by paying off our ABL revolver and issuing a new dollar-denominated term loan with a maturity in 2029. This replaced an existing loan set to mature in March of 2024. We remain confident in our ability to further improve our balance sheet in the future. and our full year guidance and views on the first quarter. For 2023, we are initiating guidance for core growth to be in the range of 1 to 5% year over year. Within that framework, we have factored flattish volume versus 2022. We continue to see solid demand trends in the early part of the year, providing near-term visibility. That said, We anticipate our customers will rebalance their inventory levels in the latter part of the year because of improved supply chain reliability. Our initial 2023 adjusted EBITDA guidance is in the range of $700 million to $750 million. At the midpoint, this guidance implies about a 90 basis point increase in adjusted EBITDA margin year over year. Our adjusted earnings per share guidance is $1.13 to $1.23 per share. Improving working capital efficiency is a high priority for 2023, and we expect free cash flow to be approximately 100% of adjusted net income in the coming year. For the first quarter, we anticipate total revenues to be relatively flat, and in a range of $880 million to $910 million. We expect positive core growth to be offset by unfavorable effects. Our core growth estimate includes headwinds from the suspension of our Russia business and China COVID impact. We expect our EBITDA margin to increase approximately 100 to 150 basis points year over year. Next, on slide nine, we provide an adjusted earnings per share walk from fiscal year 2022 to 2023. Relative to 2022, our forecasted adjusted earnings per share is affected by non-operational items such as higher interest expense and a higher expected effective tax rate. Core growth and conversion should add about $0.06 per share. Productivity and an improved supply chain, which was a headwind in 2022, are expected to contribute nicely to our earnings growth in 2023. With that, I will turn it back over to Ivo.
spk06: Thanks, Brooks. On slide 10, I would like to provide a brief summary view. Specifically, I would like to highlight the following points. We were pleased with our execution in the fourth quarter while managing through a challenging business environment. Our operating leverage on incremental sales improved to 34% and moved closer to our typical performance. Free cash flow generation was a quarterly record. We are encouraged by the slowly improving operating landscape and cautiously optimistic that it will continue to heal over the course of 2023. Our commercial team's efforts have been admirable. Price-cost is in equilibrium on a margin basis, and we intend to protect our margins should inflation trends escalate versus expectations during 2023. We anticipate customer inventories will begin to normalize as we move through the year. That said, we experience solid order trends exiting Q4 and through January. We are cognizant of the risks in the global economy, but pleased with our execution and optimistic about the prospects in 2023. Turning to slide 11. Before we take your questions, I would like to review the opportunities we are focused on to enhance our performance and drive shareholder returns as we pivot to the future. We are intently focused on several productivity measures ranging from bolstering our supply chain to driving incremental efficiencies in our manufacturing operations. We are optimistic that we can continue to drive margin accretion across the enterprise with the improvement to reliability of raw materials supply and the resulting effects it bears on our operational activities. Second, We are accelerating the reduction of complexity across our enterprise by streamlining our product portfolio and minimizing customer complexity below and above the line as part of our 80-20 initiative. In the second half of 2022, we initiated projects in our auto replacement business and have begun to see early returns from the deployment. We expect to implement 80-20 across the rest of our portfolio over the next couple of years. Third, we continue to invest aggressively in our highest growth areas. Our personal modality revenue grew approximately 23% organically in 2022, and our opportunity pipeline is robust. We are expanding investments in new products and applications, especially in industrial verticals. As such, you should expect our automotive OEM revenue mix to get further diluted as we continue to execute on our selective participation strategy over the next few years without affecting the overall growth profile of the enterprise. Lastly, we are highly focused on delivering consistent free cash flow conversion in order to continue to improve our balance sheet. We believe a strong balance sheet is one of the primary avenues within our control to increase shareholder value. I'll finish by thanking our customers and suppliers for their partnership and our global Gates associates for their valuable effort and support. With that, I'll now turn the call back over to the operator to begin the Q&A.
spk08: To ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. The first question is from David Brassa of Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
spk09: Yes, hi. Thank you for the time. The comment about the rebalancing by your customers of, I think you mentioned as inventory, given the improving supply chain, can you give us a little better sense of how you're quantifying that? It might even be where are inventory levels today at your customers versus where they'll probably want to move down toward with a better supply chain and dovetailing that answer into the cadence of the organic sales growth for the year would be a very, very helpful. Thank you.
spk06: Morning, David. Look, from the inventory perspective, I would say that presently we continue to see the inventory levels to be in line with the underlying market demand. We've seen pretty resilient strength in the overall market. And we are very aware of the macro. We are very focused on staying and paying close attention to what's happening in the overall global macro. And so we are monitoring the POS reporting from our largest distributors very, very closely. Now, on the last call, I've indicated that we see somewhat uneven performance, particularly in the industrial replacement markets. We spoke a little bit about Europe. We've seen a little bit of that unevenness in North America in Q4. And while in one month you may feel like you are finally starting to see some deceleration, The next month, your order trends reaccelerate nicely. So presently, we feel comfortable with the level of inventories there in the channel, but we are very aware of the fact that as supply chain stabilizes, lead time starting to shrink, we believe that the inventory level in a channel will start to be reduced. And so, you know, our view is that we are likely to see that in the second half of the year, and that is what we have taken into account in our guidance. I'll turn it over to Brooks on the cadence of core growth.
spk02: Yeah. So, you know, I think we have headwinds, you know, still in the first half, you know, relative you know, China and what's going on. And then we also have the lap over of the suspension of our Russia business. And so we continue to have some core growth headwinds in the first half. And then in the second half, as Ivo said, that's when we expect to see more of the rebalancing of inventory. So I would expect, you know, the core growth numbers to be relatively balanced through the year. You know, no big impact from one quarter to the next. But just different things that offset or different headwinds that kind of hit the core growth number as we move through the year.
spk09: That's helpful. Thank you very much.
spk08: Your next question is from Michael Halloran of BARD. Your line is open.
spk15: Good morning, everyone.
spk13: Good morning, Mike. Maybe kind of start there where you all left off. You know, I certainly understand the inventory commentary. Embedded in that, is there an assumption that the underlying end market demand softens through the back half of the year, Ivo? In other words, are you guys just trying to take a little bit more of a conservative approach to what the end markets look like in the back half of the year, given lower visibility, and then maybe put that in the context of how you're thinking about backlog normalization timings?
spk06: Yeah, great, Mike. I think those are great questions. I mean, we have, you know, we have included in our appendix our view on what we anticipate the global and market trends to be. And, you know, while we have obviously got, you know, reasonably constructive on things like energy and automotive replacement for the obvious reasons, I mean, people are driving more you know, low unemployment levels, people have, you know, plenty full of jobs. You know, we believe that those trends will, and very aged car fleets, we believe that, you know, that bodes really well for an end market like automotive replacement. You know, we have, you know, we have started to embed in particular, or maybe being a little conservative on the second half of the year, uh, inventory activities. And, uh, we believe that, you know, as the supply chains are improving, I think customer in a natural way are going to try to ensure that, you know, they deliver, uh, a decent cash flows. I think that that's been, you know, a tough spot in 2022 for everybody. And so, you know, we are being pragmatic about what we anticipate in the second half. And I think that we are being reasonably open-minded about the end markets as well.
spk13: Thanks for that. And follow-up question just on the margin side. Obviously, it's encouraging to hear that there's more stability emerging on the supply chain side. It seems like you're saying by the time you hit the back half of the year, closer to normal. Maybe just put that in context then on how you're thinking about the margin cadencing through the year. Obviously, there's going to be some different dynamics on the volume side as you work through the year, but cumulatively is the expectation for a little bit of a ramp through the year that maybe is a little bit better than the revenue trends might imply, given the supply chain piece, given some of the internal stuff you're working on, and maybe just some thoughts on the cadence in there.
spk02: Yeah, well, certainly I think the comps, as you move through the year, year over year, Q1 of 22 was a little bit tougher. And then as you move through the year, we had more of the headwinds in the second half of the year, you know, relative to some of the supply chain stuff. But as we move through the year, you know, if you think about our full year guidance, you know, at the midpoint, you know, our gross margins, you know, will be up, you know, over 100 basis points. That'll be offset some by, you know, SG&A, which has some variable comp element to it, which kind of gets us to that, you know, midpoint number of, you know, 90 to 100 basis points of improvement year over year. It's relatively balanced through the year as we move through the year because the first quarter is the easiest comp for us. And so that kind of gives a little bit more weight to the first half. And then the comps relative to the supply chain issues give us a little bit more easier comp in the second half. So it's relatively balanced through the year. Great. Really appreciate it, gentlemen. Thank you.
spk08: Your next question is from Jerry Revich of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
spk11: Yes, hi. Good morning, everyone. Nice quarter. I'm wondering if we could just talk about the acceleration that you saw in EMEA in the quarter. Which end markets drove that, and is any of that momentum continuing into the first quarter?
spk06: Good morning, Jerry. Thank you. Look, I mean, Europe was – very strong performance for us. And, you know, it was predominantly driven by energy of highway and personal mobility. Personal mobility up almost 80% year on year of highway kind of in the 40s. But, you know, all of our end markets, frankly, in Europe are very solid. Overall, auto business was up in a team, you know, driven by automotive replacement, strength in automotive replacement. And so there isn't really, frankly, any blemish in Europe. And so, you know, it was a really terrific quarter. Now, auto benefited somewhat from some catch-up, as I had discussed on my prepared remarks. We, you know, we were able to secure a little more raw materials. that gave us the opportunity to catch up to some age backlog, particularly in the out-of-space on the PT side. And so just a terrific quarter. The team has executed really well, and the end market demand remained very resilient. And, you know, maybe to spare you the follow-up question, I mean, January was quite strong as well.
spk11: Super. And then in terms of the full year, Outlook, you know, core revenue growth 3% at the midpoint, assuming flat volumes. Can you just say more about the pricing cadence? Because I think pricing alone should be high singles, you know, low doubles in the first half of 23, which, you know, in and of itself would get you above the midpoint of that range of volumes or flat. So can you just unpack what's embedded in there a bit more, if you don't mind?
spk02: Yeah, well, look, Jerry, you know, You know, price is somewhat of a moving target, right? As we see what's going on with inflation, as we see what's going on, you know, with our costs, you know, the material cost and the energy costs, freight costs, things like that. I think you're probably a little hot on the price side. Certainly, we'll be a little bit higher on price in the first half of the year as opposed to the second half. But we also are seeing, you know, some signs of moderation of inflation where it's not, you know, where it's not quite as steep a ramp as we have seen. So we expect price to be lower in 23, you know, than it was in 22. And then I think you also have to remember that in the first half of 22, we also have the China and the Russia headwinds that are going to continue to be there. And that's going to affect the you know, the core growth sum as well from a volume perspective. But I would expect the price numbers to be lower than what you said. And you can kind of do the math. If volume is flattish, then, you know, the price is kind of in that, you know, low to mid-single digit kind of range.
spk11: Yeah, we'll take that over. But thank you. I appreciate the discussion. Yep.
spk08: Your next question is from Julian Mitchell of Barclays. Your line is open.
spk10: Hi, good morning. Just wondered if you could pause out a little bit the free cash flow guide. I think the guide embeds sort of net income not growing much in 2023, but free cash flows up about 150%. million dollars and capex is is up a bit so it looks like that free cash 150 is all working capital you know maybe any sense of of the main drivers within that is it solely inventory coming down that much or something else and how do you think about the liquidation of the the working capital through the year is it kind of similar to your customers whereby it's more of a second half uh phenomena
spk02: Yeah, so look, I think on the net income side, there's some moving parts in 2022, particularly relative to tax, cash versus gap tax. So you've got to kind of strip that out. We certainly think we're going to see improvement in working capital year over year, primarily driven by inventory. So that's going to drive a significant piece of it. And then everything else is kind of flowing through. But tax is a big piece of it. The gap tax versus the cash tax in 22 versus the gap tax and cash tax in 23 is a big part of what's generating the additional cash flow as we move from one year to the next, along with the inventory reduction.
spk10: Is there any way of sort of quantifying at all You know, of that 153 cash increase, how much is that cash tax aspect?
spk02: Well, I mean, when you look, I mean, cash tax is, from a percentage perspective, is relatively unchanged year over year. And then you look at our effective tax rate for 2022, it was kind of mid-single digits. And then it's going to get back up to, you know, kind of 22% to 24% in 2023. So you can kind of do the math on that.
spk10: That's helpful. Thanks very much. And then I suppose, secondly, maybe one more for Ivo. But when you're looking at China, you know, it was down for obvious reasons in Q4 and last year as a whole. Maybe help us understand how you're thinking about the volumes in China, the balance of the year. Is it sort of down again Q1? you know, up a bit Q2 and then sort of high single digit in the second half. I just wondered what you're seeing and assuming there.
spk06: Yeah, it's a great point, Julian. Obviously, 2020-22 was very challenging in China with the second quarter shutdown, full shutdown in Shanghai, and then obviously the end of the year impact from first, you know, COVID restrictions and then reopening and the infections that rolled in. Look, January was very tough in China. Firstly, the first couple of weeks, still pretty significantly impacted by COVID. And then you rolled right into Lunar New Year. So we have seen very little activity in January, but the activity is coming back. So we anticipate that Q1 is still going to be down, I would say, you know, kind of in the high single-digit year-on-year, maybe 10% just for, you know, for the sake of conversation. And then we anticipate that you're going to see a pretty strong rebound in Q2, predominantly because of the comps. Obviously, Q2 of last year was very weak, as I have indicated. So the comp is going to be unusually hot in Q2 in China, but the second half of the year should normalize volume-wise. And we actually anticipate that we will see a positive impact from China for the year, but we really need to see February before we can start getting more confident about how that's going to develop.
spk02: Yeah, and let me kind of follow up on one thing on the cash flow, too. I think what you also have to remember is over the past couple of years, you know, we've seen a significant increase in working capital, and that's what's driven the cash conversion below 100. And so while we're going to get better on working capital, certainly in 2023, I think just the fact that you're not increasing it as much as you have in the last couple of years is going to drive the most significant part of that improvement in conversion.
spk15: Great. Thank you.
spk08: Your next question is from Andy Kaplowitz of Citigroup. Your line is open.
spk00: Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Andy. Eva, last quarter you still sounded reasonably pessimistic about supply chain headwinds clearing quickly, especially in terms of polymer supply. Did polymers just start to clear up faster than you expected? I know you said that 23 guidance speaks in gradually lessening supply chain inefficiencies and inflation, but is there a way to size the impact of these inefficiencies on you guys? I think last quarter you mentioned 350 base points of headwind on the top line. What do you think that number came in at for Q4, and is there headwind still for on 23?
spk06: Yeah, Andy, thank you for the question. Look, Q3 was a really challenged quarter. I mean, we have... we have really suffered from the supply chain as we have outlined on that call. Q4 has gotten definitely better, but we started very slow recovery of the raw material supply. October was very, very challenging still. So October was more or less similar to what we have been seeing in Q3. And as I said on the 3Q call, It says, look, our suppliers are actually able to make it more reliably, but we were not able to get it into our factories. And so we were able to actually move the materials into the facilities in the second half of Q4, as we saw fit. It cost us a little bit of money, as I've indicated in the previous remarks, so the conversion flow through margin improvement was slightly impacted by that movement. However, you know, we were able to get everything that we needed at that point in time. And, you know, that resulted in very strong performance, much more in line with the underlying market demand and what we have been able to do kind of, you know, in that Q3. So my anticipation, Andy, is that we are seeing improvements, gradual improvements in our suppliers' ability to make these highly engineered resins. But we're still somewhat cautious about having a real predictability in the first half of the year vis-a-vis getting it in the factories as we need to get them through the normal means of transportation. So we still believe that there's going to be some limited impact. While we believe it's significantly better, I just don't anticipate that we're going to get normalized until we exit mid-year of 2023.
spk00: It's helpful, Ivo. And then you mentioned in your 23 EPS walk that you have a sense of improvement from productivity and supply chain initiatives. You give more color into what your major initiatives are in these areas. And then last quarter, you talked about a, I think, a $45 million footprint rationalization plan. I think you said it would have limited impact in 23 with bigger impact in 24. But is there any benefit from this plan in your walk? And could you elaborate a little more on what the plan might entail?
spk06: Yeah, look, on the productivity improvements, you know, I'll come back to kind of the performance that we have seen in 2023. So obviously, when you are struggling getting enough raw materials to keep up your factories operating, it becomes very difficult to actually absorb all of the overhead in these facilities, as you well know. But more importantly, to be able to get any traction on your you know, kind of standard normalized productivity programs that you have, Lean, Six Sigma, you know, whatever the flavor is that you like to call. We call it the GPS system here. And so we anticipate that as the factories start operating much more normally, we can get pretty aggressively back into the kind of a normalized rhythm of driving productivity as we have demonstrated that we do in the past. And so the headwind would give you actually the ability to kind of revitalize, if you would, your productivity efforts. So we are quite optimistic. We have a strong pipeline of productivity projects in a book, and we are very intently holding our teams accountable and focused on executing on the biggest opportunities. Now, I'd say that nothing's really changed from what we said on Q3 call about restructuring. We still anticipate some cash to be consumed on restructuring programs, and the major benefits are not going to roll into our P&L from restructuring programs until 2024.
spk00: Helpful. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks.
spk08: Your next question is from Nigel Coe of Wolf Free Search. Your line is open.
spk01: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I just want to go back to 1Q, the guide for 1Q in a bit more detail. Maybe just looking at it from a sequential basis. It looks like sales are pretty flat at the midpoint versus normal history where we have a pretty pronounced uptick into 1Q with obviously the off-highway season. So maybe just talk about what you're planning for from a sequential basis. I mean, FX should also be a help as well. So I'm just curious if maybe the good news on supply chain and that backlog conversion we saw in 4Q, whether that's the offset that I'm kind of asking about here.
spk06: Good morning, Nigel. I think it's a great question. Look, I would start with, as I've indicated, China down about 10, and you have a full quarter of the Russia exit. That's a rather substantial headwind on organic growth on the enterprise. that gets offset by the better performance and kind of the normalized seasonality that you would anticipate. So, you know, I would say that those are the two biggest headwinds that we are counting on in our guidance. And, you know, obviously, if China, you know, suddenly gets dramatically better and we are undercalling it, you know, we anticipate that the economy would get better. But, you know, I haven't seen it in January. And, you know, I think it's very difficult to predict that suddenly you're going to see a V-shaped recovery in China. So I would say that those are the two pragmatic issues. And then, as I said, you know, we still, you know, we are still facing a little bit of supply chain issues, and we are probably a little bit gun-shy on being able to declare a victory in supply chain until we see that stability to become repeatable throughout the certainly in a couple of the first quarters of 2023. Okay.
spk01: Just to be clear, the Russia and China, I mean, maybe China is going to be a little bit worse QVQ, but Russia would have been an impact in 4Q as well, correct?
spk06: Yes.
spk01: Yeah. Okay.
spk06: But as I said in my prepared remarks, Nigel, we had a really nice catch up to some past Q orders that we have delivered on. in Europe in power transmission, and that's kind of what has given us a little bit of an outperformance in Europe in particular. So while order flow remained very robust and the book-to-bill remained above one, you know, I would just caution to, you know, for everybody to extrapolate exactly what happened in Q4 in Europe because of the catch-up.
spk01: No, that's very clear. And then my follow-up is really around capital deployments. I mean, if you get to that 100% plus level, conversion, you've got the kind of quote-unquote problem of capital deployment, which is a good problem to have. But in your plan, are you deploying capital? I mean, are you seeming delivering with the cash flow? And then do you see opportunities to maybe buy back stock during the year? Yeah.
spk02: So look, we've made a commitment in the midterm to get to one and a half times leverage. We were below three as we ended the year. We want to continue to deliver the business. And so as we continue to generate cash, we're going to lock in some of that lower leverage by continuing to pay down debt, reducing gap interest, reducing cash interest, certainly over the short term. This business generates a lot of cash. The capital allocation for us, we're always going to look at different opportunities and figure out what is going to pay back you know, the shareholder the best. We do believe we need to continue to pay down debt, though, and reduce not only our leverage, but our gross debt as well. And so I think in the short term, you know, that's what we're focused on.
spk01: Okay, that's helpful. Thanks.
spk08: Your next question is from Josh Pokowinski of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
spk04: Hi, good morning, guys. Morning, Josh.
spk03: I apologize if I missed it, but can you just walk us through what book to bill was? You mentioned strong orders, I think, a few times. Maybe just put a finer point on that and how you stand today on kind of the total past due backlog. You mentioned you worked that down. Just is any remaining and sort of what's the order of magnitude?
spk06: Yeah, so a great question. Thank you, Josh. Look, we've trimmed some of our past due backlog in a quarter, particularly in Europe, and we've taken a pretty nice chunk from the aged backlog there. Interestingly enough, in January, past due backlog started jumping back up on the strength of order flow. So, you know, Q4, our book to bill was approximately 1.05, so it remained above 1. You know, we've eaten the past two backlogs slightly down. It continues to remain elevated and, you know, we just gotta see a better flow through of raw materials to ensure that we can keep up properly with not only with the flow of orders, but also recover some of the age backlog that we owe to our customers. Clearly, as a book to build business, not only we not like having age backlog, but we really don't like to have an elevated backlog, period. So both of these remain a reality still for us. We still have challenges to work through.
spk03: Got it. That's helpful. And then I guess just on, you know, kind of the surge that you've seen in the fourth quarter, you know, the supply chain improvement, the solid orders, I'm just wondering if there's anything, you know, anecdotally or qualitatively, you know, you've had discussions with your customers that, you know, some element of this is kind of the supply chain bullwhip effect, right? So, like, you're able to get more product out the door, presumably your customers are as well. Like, Is the strength that you're seeing on the order side sort of representative of, hey, everyone can get more supply, so they're pulling back, pulling through more product through the supply chain as a whole, but demand never really changed. I guess, are you seeing any sort of demand volatility up or down, or is a lot of this just kind of dictated by what we've been through on supply chain? Again, hard to quantify, but any comment there would be helpful.
spk06: Yeah, you know, this is really, frankly, the crux of the situation that I think we are all dealing with. I spend quite a bit of time talking to our customers, particularly at this point in time with the volatility and obviously watching the macros and watching all the indices that are out there and being very cognizant of the trends that we are seeing. But, you know, the general feedback that I am receiving is reasonably positive. You know, the order trends that our customers still remain quite robust. But, you know, it is varied by the region. And so when, you know, we kind of talk about underlying, you know, market demand, you know, we just want to make sure that folks understand that we're looking at it globally, not just from North America perspective. And so while you may have a very strong demand trend in ag construction and on highway in North America, that may not be the case in places like China, as an example. And those are large markets, right? So at this point in time, I would say that we are very watchful at what is happening in the diversified industrial in the industrial replacement channel. Again, I've said it a couple of times, Josh, that that's choppy, it's uneven. You may have a weak month and then you may have a very solid month. But I'm just very, very focused on ensuring that we don't miss some trend line and that we end up calling it wrongly. But so far, it's been reasonably positive
spk15: in general. Got it. Appreciate it. Best of luck.
spk08: Your next question is from Jeff Hammond of KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is open.
spk12: Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning. So really, if I do the math, it seems like incremental margins are high 40s. Just wanted to understand really how much of that is around the confidence and you know, this kind of supply chain issue getting better versus something else in there. And I think we had quantified maybe a $40 million or so headwind in 22 from the Palmer issue. And I'm wondering if that is the right number and how much of that reverses, you know, in 23 in the guide.
spk02: Hey, so as Ivo said, you know, There were some encouraging signs, I think, as we worked through Q4, but we're not out of the woods yet. If you think about our margins as we move from 22 to 23, core growth at the midpoint is 3%. We would expect to see less fall through on that, as it's mostly price-cost, and we've said that we're trying to maintain EBITDA margin neutrality as we move through. And then, you know, we expect to see significant improvement, you know, from supply chain improvements and from the productivity initiatives that Ivo talked about. And that'll be partially offset by some higher SG&A expenses related to variable comp. So I think, you know, you're thinking about it the right way in terms of the gross margin improvement, not only from the supply chain improvements, but from productivity as well. And then that'll be partially offset by some higher SG&A as we move through the year.
spk12: Okay, and then just back on this, you know, the download single digit for market for industrial, you know, the industrial and diversified industrial. And I think, you know, Eva, you mentioned choppiness. Maybe just talk one about outgrowth and two, you know, just if you're seeing it, you know, equally between the FP and PT side. Thanks.
spk06: Yeah, look, Jeff, I think... You know, the best way to really reference it is just an uneven demand, right? Again, it's one month and maybe down, next month and maybe up, up maybe more than down next time. So right now, what we see is that the sell-through from our customers remain very, very robust. I think that everybody is somewhat concerned about working capital. And as people start getting more comfortable with lead times, I think that you will see some movements in order flow, not necessarily driven by weaker demand. And again, we have not seen weaker demand yet from the POS reports. But I think people are just making sure that on one side, they don't hold too much inventory. On the other side, they don't have too little. And so, you know, there is a continuation of rebalancing what is happening in the market, in the channel. So I would say that that's probably the one area that we are very, very intently watching. But that being said, there's also an opportunity as people are getting more raw materials that also could result in higher demand generation because people are simply able to just get everything that they need, which wasn't the case throughout 2022. So, you know, we are reasonably balanced in our view as to what we anticipate throughout 2023, particularly in the industrial replacement market. And while we don't want to call it down dramatically, we also don't want to be in a situation where we miss any potential uptick that may be should the market conditions remain robust. And there are lots of positives that one should like, right? I mean, you have the infrastructure investment and you need lots of construction equipment. You're going to be building lots of industrial automation equipment. And those are all really good markets for Gates Corporation. So we are optimistic about the underlying trend lines. but we also want to be realistic about what is happening with, you know, ISM and, you know, with some of these indices that are being, you know, that are being reported on. So that's kind of, you know, what I would say that, you know, our perception is.
spk12: And just maybe speak to the outgrowth, you know, assumptions. You know, I know mobility has been, you know, has been something that you've called out, but you know, chain develop a big opportunity on the, on the industrial side.
spk06: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So look, um, I mean, I'm not going to spend much time on mobility, but, uh, I think this is a perfect example of how we are driving an organic, uh, evolution of our portfolio. Again, you know, remind everybody that, you know, in kind of in 2019, it was kind of a $25 million business. And, you know, we kind of exited that, uh, We exited the year kind of on a $200 million run rate, so growing at kind of 10x in three and a half years. Now, we don't expect to be growing at 10x over the next three and a half years, but we are very optimistic about continuing to deliver kind of mid-20s growth rates in mobility and pretty quickly catching up to the size of our end market contribution that we generate in the other OEM space, as an example. Industrial chain to belt continues to build very strong pipeline of opportunities. Obviously, I've spoken about our fluid power business, our innovation, available capacity continues to give us an opportunity to outgrow the end markets. But those underlying markets, Jeff, are also very robust. Certainly in North America, ag, construction, heavy duty, very robust markets. I've highlighted that we've had a very strong growth in our automotive business with fluid power as well. That's an area of where we participate with electrification. That's an area where we predominantly participate in the replacement side of the business with fluid power. So it's generally speaking, we are very confident about our ability to outgrow the market. And we've demonstrated over the last five years, three years, and certainly over the last couple of years that we are capable of outgrowing our underlying end markets globally. So maybe a long-winded answer, but maybe providing you a little more color.
spk12: Very helpful. Thanks.
spk08: Your next question is from Damian Karras of UBS. Your line is open.
spk14: Hey, good morning, everyone. Good morning. Good morning. So I appreciate the underlying market assumptions that you've laid out for this year. Given that automotive is pretty significant for the business, could you perhaps just provide any further color on how you're thinking about the outlook for auto? I guess just any key assumptions, you know, maybe, headwinds or tailwinds that are worth calling out. Yeah, it'd be really helpful if you could just kind of give us a walk around the globe for auto and what you expect this year.
spk06: Yeah, so as you recall, our automotive OEM business is less than 10% of our revenue presently. And so, look, we anticipate that the overall production is going to be, you know, slightly net positive. You know, I certainly don't fall into the category of individuals that we'll call a significant increase in auto OE output globally. You know, we are thinking more in line of maybe, you know, 2 to 4%. You know, certainly some recovery in North America where we have very little presence. You know, similarly, improved production output in Europe. But you also have to take into account some of the challenges that folks are going to have buying new automobiles when you take into account the increases in prices of new vehicles and, frankly, the interest rates. So while the car makers may be more capable of producing, will you see some decay of demand in the end market because of the affordability index. That I don't know. I'm not an economist, but our view is that globally you should see auto OEM builds up kind of slow to mid single digit. And then, you know, our bigger business is an automotive replacement. And, you know, frankly, we are, you know, we anticipate that we should see low single digit end market growth. You know, positive dynamics in North America, obviously, very aged car fleet, high miles driven, high, you know, high levels of employment bodes well for folks maintaining their vehicles. Very similar trend in Europe. People are starting, you know, people are certainly driving more miles. We believe that China is going to rebound very strongly. I think you can see it in some of the reports already that people are starting to drive significantly more than, frankly, they have driven over the last two to three years at an expense of even public transportation. So the setup for automotive replacement business is very strong for 2023 as the situation normalizes, particularly in the supply chain. You know, this should be a net positive for Gates.
spk14: Understood. Appreciate all that additional color. And then a follow-up call on the distribution inventory normalization that you're expecting later this year. Sorry if I missed it, but could you quantify how much of a headwind you've baked into guidance related to that? And is that something that would likely bleed into 2024, or do you view it as more of a, you know, swift transient adjustment?
spk06: Yeah, Damien, I think it's very difficult to forecast, firstly, when and or if it's going to occur. Is it going to occur in second half, or is it going to spill into 2024? Again, I will repeat that we are very intently focused on monitoring all the trends. We certainly are very focused on monitoring our POS. The POS trends remain positive, but we are being cautious with our approach for the year. And certainly, one should anticipate that as the supply chains normalize, you probably should anticipate that folks will be optimizing their working capital levels. And to us, we have embedded our view in our guidance and
spk15: you know, probably just leave it at that. Great. Thank you. Thank you.
spk08: Your last question is from Dean Dre of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
spk05: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and special welcome to Rich. Thanks, Dean. Good morning, Dean. Good morning. Hey, covered a lot of ground here. Just a couple quick ones. First, Ivo, you didn't mention it, but... was hoping you have good news about your operations in Turkey with the impact of the earthquake.
spk06: Yes, thank you for asking. Obviously, our prayers are with the folks in Turkey. Devastating event. We are very fortunate. All of our operations are not in the impacted area. We are actually in Izmir, which is a reasonable distance away from the epicenter of the earthquake. And so none of our nor our suppliers have been impacted. But thank you very much for raising that and asking that question, Dean.
spk05: Good. That's great to hear. Thank you. And then just lastly, you mentioned share gains and fluid power. Just broadly, can you talk about the contribution from new products and what's embedded in the guide?
spk06: Yes, so as we, you know, as we have discussed, you know, we continue to drive our contribution of new products as a percent of revenue up. We have exited 2022 in fluid power with over 25% of vitality in fluid power. So as you will recall, we have we have highlighted that our aspiration is to get kind of to 20 percent NPI vitality by 2023 across our portfolio. We've certainly surpassed that objective in fluid power. And, you know, maybe the following question is, so where are you in part transmission? In PT, we're kind of in the mid-teens, so we still have ways to go in PT. And as I've highlighted in the past, we are now very laser-focused on revitalizing our portfolio in PT, and we're making good progress on that as well.
spk15: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
spk08: If there are no further questions at this time, I will now turn the call over to Ivo Zurich for closing remarks.
spk06: Thank you very much for joining us for our Q4 2022 earnings call, and we look forward to seeing... some of our shareholders during the next couple of conferences in Miami. We welcome any follow-up questions as the time progresses. Thank you, and we will speak with you on our next call.
spk08: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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