Hayward Holdings, Inc.

Welcome to Hayward Holdings' third quarter 2025 earnings call. My name is Donna, and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. During the question-and-answer session, if you have a question, please press star, then 1 on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Kevin Maska, Vice President, Investor Relations, and FP&A. Mr. Maska, you may begin.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We issued our third quarter 2025 earnings press release this morning, which has been posted to the investor relations section of the website at investor.hayward.com. There you can also find the earnings slide presentation referenced during this call. I'm joined today by Kevin Halloran, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ivian Jones, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during this call, the company may make certain statements that are considered forward-looking in nature, including management's outlook for 2025 and future periods. Such statements are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties, including those discussed in our most recent forms 10-K and 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that could cause actual results to differ materially. The company does not undertake any duty to update such forward-looking statements. Additionally, during today's call, the company will discuss non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures discussed on this call to the comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and the appendix to the slide presentation. All comparisons will be made on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise indicated. I will now turn the call over to Kevin Halloran.

Thank you, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. It's my pleasure to welcome all of you to Hayward's third quarter earnings call. I'll begin on slide four of our earnings presentation with today's key messages. I'm pleased to report third quarter results ahead of expectations, marking another quarter of strong execution by our global team. Our performance reflects the resiliency of our aftermarket model and continued traction in our strategic initiatives. Net sales increased 7%, With growth across both our North America and Europe and rest of world segments, an adjusted EBITDA increased 16%. We delivered further solid margin expansion driven by increased operational efficiencies, tariff mitigation actions, and disciplined cost management. Gross profit margin increased 150 basis points to 51.2%, and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 170 basis points to 24.2%. Cash flow generation was also strong, enabling us to further strengthen the balance sheet and reduce net leverage to 1.8 times the lowest level in nearly four years. This provides enhanced financial flexibility as we execute our growth plans and fund our capital deployment priorities. During the quarter, we continued advancing key strategic initiatives to position for profitable growth. This included expanding our customer relationships, developing innovative new products to further our technology leadership position, and leveraging our operational excellence capabilities. At the same time, our teams are aggressively executing tariff mitigation action plans to support margins and deliver on our commitments to shareholders and customers. We've made great progress, and I'm confident in our team's ability to navigate this dynamic environment. As a result of our strong year-to-date performance and solid participation in our early buy programs with increased orders, we're raising our full year guidance. We now expect net sales to increase approximately 4% to 5.5% compared to our prior guidance of 2% to 5%. We now expect adjusted EBITDA to increase 5% to 7% to a range of 292 to 297 million. compared to our prior guidance of 280 to $290 million. Turning now to slide five, highlighting the results in the third quarter. Net sales increased 7% to 244 million, driven by a 5% increase in net price and a 2% increase in volume. By segment, net sales increased 7% in North America and 11% in Europe and rest of world. As I mentioned, gross profit margin expanded 150 basis points to 51.2%. Adjusted EBITDA increased 16% to 59 million and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 170 basis points to 24.2%. This is a strong result in a seasonally lower sales quarter as we continue to make targeted investments in the business to drive future growth. Finally, adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 27 to 14 cents turning now to slide six for a business update starting with the demand environment we are encouraged by recent trends we had a solid finish to the 2025 pool season as our primary u.s channel partners communicated improved out the door sales growth rates for hayward products in the third quarter with stronger growth as the quarter progressed This reflects the strength and stability of our aftermarket model as approximately 85% of our sales are aligned with serving the aftermarket needs of the existing installed base. Consistent with the trends in prior quarters, non-discretionary aftermarket maintenance demand remains resilient. We also see continued adoption of our technology solutions to automate and control pools. Homeowners are adding technology to improve the pool ambiance and experience rather than D featuring to reduce costs as evidenced by the average value per pool pad continues to increase. As a result, we saw a double digit growth in this critical product category of Omni controls during the quarter, nearly twice the overall Hayward growth rate. The early buy programs are nearing completion in North America and international markets, and we are pleased with the progress to date. Incoming orders are trending in line with expectations. We anticipate solid customer participation and increased orders relative to the prior year. Importantly, we are working closely with our channel partners to maintain appropriate levels of Hayward inventory on hand relative to current demand levels and forward expectations. The pool industry has always been very disciplined on price. We increased pricing this year as needed to combat tariffs, and other inflations, and we continue to expect positive net price realization of mid single digits in 2025. We are progressing with our value-based pricing and skew rationalization initiatives to optimize our price structure and enable our products to be priced appropriately relative to the exceptional value provided to pool owners. We expect these initiatives to yield further positive results going forward. The tariff environment remains uncertain. Our team is aggressively executing our mitigation action plans to offset the increased costs, and we are making great progress. As previously communicated, we are accelerating our lean initiatives and significantly reducing our exposure, lowering direct sourcing from China into the US as a percentage of cost of goods sold from approximately 10% to 3% by year end. We intend to achieve this target regardless of any further tariff negotiation. as it de-risks our supply chain and limits exposure to geopolitical uncertainty. Our teams are responding to the current enacted tariffs while monitoring the ongoing media reports, and we remain agile and ready to take further action as needed. We continue to make investments to drive future growth. On the product side, we are investing in advanced engineering and product development to continue bringing innovative new products to market. We previously introduced you to OmniX, an industry-first automation platform providing a cost-effective way to accelerate technology adoption in the installed base and increase average equipment content per pool pad. While early in the rollout, we are pleased with the continued dealer response to the new OmniX-enabled variable speed pump, and we will launch other product categories with embedded OmniX control capabilities in the coming quarters. We are ramping up our targeted sales and marketing strategies to further increase our presence in high value yet under penetrated regions. This is already translating into wins with important dealers converting to Hayward. We're also improving the customer experience with the continued rollout of the Hayward hub training and support centers and hosting premier industry events. In the second quarter, Hayward sponsored the prestigious 2025 pool and spa network top 50 builder award event, And in the third quarter, we hosted our 25th PACE conference to educate and inspire our industry's most accomplished pool professionals. As we continue to invest in the industry and build upon our customer-first approach, we are seeing greater engagement and traction with dealers. As a technology leader in the industry, we are implementing AI tools to drive value for our customers. Our new AI agents are progressively fielding inbound customer service calls with no on hold wait times resolving approximately 80% of these calls without the need for human intervention and even proposing enhancements to our training programs. Hayward has a long standing commitment to continuous improvement throughout the entire organization. And this is a great example of an early success in customer experience. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Avian to discuss our financial results in more detail.

Thank you, Kevin, and good morning. I'll start on slide seven. As Kevin stated, we are very pleased with our third quarter financial performance. Net sales increased 7% and exceeded expectations. We delivered strong growth and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion to 51% and 24% respectively, and further reduced net leverage to 1.8 times. Looking at the results in more detail, the net sales increase of 7% to 244 million was driven by 5% positive net price realization and 2% higher volumes. Gross profit in the third quarter increased 11% to 125 million. Gross profit margin increased 150 basis points to 51.2%. By segment, gross margin increased 50 basis points in North America, with Europe and rest of the world increasing 750 basis points year over year and 300 basis points sequentially. Adjusted EBITDA increased 16% to 59 million in the third quarter, and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 170 basis points to 24.2%. We are delivering this level of margin expansion while strategically reinvesting in the business to drive future growth with targeted initiatives in sales and marketing, advanced engineering, and customer service. Our effective tax rate was approximately 23% in the third quarter and 24% year-to-date. Adjusted diluted EPS increased 27% to 14 cents. Turning to slide eight for a review of our reportable segment results for the third quarter. North American net sales increased 7% to $208 million. Net price realization increased 7% and volume was stable. Net sales increased 6% in the U.S. and 21% in Canada. As previously mentioned, we are encouraged by the recent demand trends for Hayward products. And demand, as reported by our primary U.S. channel partners, increased late in the season, resulting in a solid third quarter performance. The performance in Canada also continues to improve as we saw a strong order growth during the quarter. Gross profit margin increased 50 basis points to a robust 52.8%. An adjusted segment income margin was 29.6%. Turning to Europe and rest of world, net sales for the quarter increased 11% to 36 million, a 1% reduction in net price realization was more than offset by 8% higher volume and 3% favorable foreign currency translation. The reduction in net price was largely due to an increased mix of discounted early buy shipments relative to the prior year period. Net sales increased 15% in Europe and 6% in rest of world. We took steps in recent quarters to improve the performance in Europe and the rest of the world and are pleased to see continued margin progression in the quarter. Gross profit margin increased 750 basis points to 41.9% and increased 300 basis points sequentially from 38.9% in the second quarter. This sequential increase was primarily related to the timing of a cumulative tariff refund during the third quarter. Adjusted segment income margins increased to 18.5% from 8.4% a year ago. Turning to slide 9 for a review of our balance sheet and cash flow highlights. We are pleased with the quality of our balance sheet and the significant reduction in net leverage during the quarter and over the last two years. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA improved 1.8 times compared to 2.1 times at the end of the second quarter and 2.8 times in the year-ago period. Reduced leverage provides additional flexibility as we execute our strategic growth plans. total liquidity at the end of the third quarter was 552 million including 448 million in cash and cash equivalents short-term investments and availability under our credit facilities of 104 million We have no near-term maturities on our debt as the term debt and the undrawn ABL mature in 2028. Our borrowing rate benefits from $600 million in debt currently tied to fixed interest rate swap agreements maturing in 2026 through 2028, limiting our cash interest rate and our term facilities to 6% in the quarter. Our average interest rate earned on global cash deposits for the quarter was 4.3%. Our business has strong and seasonal free cash flow generation characteristics driven by high quality earnings. The company typically has strong cash generation in the second and third quarters while using cash in the first and fourth quarters. Year-to-day cash flow from operations was $283 million compared to $276 million in the year-ago period. Cap-ex of $21 million year-to-date was modestly higher than the prior year period, reflecting strategic growth investments and project timings. Consequently, year-to-date free cash flow was $262 million. Given our outlook, we increased free cash flow guidance for the full year by $20 million, from approximately $150 million to approximately $170 million. This increase reflects improved profitability, capex, project timing, and working capital management. Turning now to capital allocation on slide 10. We maintain a disciplined and balanced approach to capital allocation, emphasizing strategic growth investments and manufacturing asset investments for tariff mitigation, maximizing long-term shareholder returns while maintaining prudent financial leverage. We continue to pursue additional acquisition opportunities in residential pool, commercial pool, and flow control to augment our organic growth plans in addition to potential share repurchases. During the third quarter, Hayward's board of directors authorized through purchase of up to 450 million in shares over three years to replace a similar expired authorization. Turning now to slide 11 for the fall year 2025 outlook. We are increasing our guidance for net sales and adjusted EBITDA. For the fiscal year 2025, Hayward now expects net sales to increase approximately four to five and a half percent or 1.095 to 1.110 billion dollars with adjusted ebitda increase in approximately five to seven percent or 292 to 297 million dollars we continue to expect solid execution across the organization positive price realization and continued product technology adoption Relative to our prior guidance at the midpoints, this represents 17.5 million increase in net sales and a 9.5 million increase in adjusted EBITDA. Our guidance does not contemplate potential new tariffs affected on or after October 29th. If that does materialize, we will respond accordingly with further mitigation actions. As a reminder, fourth quarter 2024 net sales benefited from incremental demand related to the two major hurricanes that impacted the southeastern United States. We continue to expect solid cash flow in 2025 with a conversion of greater than 100% of net income. We increased our free cash flow guidance for the full year to approximately $170 million. We are confident in our ability to successfully execute in a dynamic environment and remain very positive about the long-term growth outlook for the pool industry, particularly the strength of the aftermarket. And with that, I'll now turn the call back to Kevin.

Thanks, Ivan. I'll pick back up on slide 12. Before we close, let me reiterate how appreciative I am of the team's performance. Hayward delivered another strong quarter, exceeding expectations. Net sales increased 7% and margins continued to expand as we effectively countermeasure the tariff headwinds. We delivered the balance sheet to under two times while investing in the business to drive future growth. And we increased our guidance for full year net sales, adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow. As the macroeconomic and tariff environment continues to evolve, we are excited about the fundamentals that drive our business and confident in our ability to execute our growth strategies and create shareholder value. And with that, we're now ready to open the line for questions.

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad at this time. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. Again, that is star 1 to ask a question at this time. We do ask, though, that you please keep yourself to one question and one follow-up. Our first question today is coming from Ryan Merkle of William Blair. Please go ahead.

Hey, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the question, and nice quarter. Wanted to start off on demand. Just talk about how the season progressed since July and then where did you see the upside in the third quarter?

Yeah. Good morning, Ryan. You know, as you know, Q3 from a ship in standpoint for Hayward, you know, is one of our lower seasonal quarters. But it's an important one for the industry from a sales out standpoint as you're in the heat of the summer and closing out the seasonal year by the end of September. We felt really good about the sales out demand as reported back to us or communicated by our largest channel partners. We saw progressively stronger sales out for Hayward product. as the quarter progressed, really culminating with a really strong September. You know, the other positive that comes with that is what that sells out is it's really positioning channel inventory levels properly as we close out the season to then turn to early buy and what that demand signals for our factories and for the business. I would say that warm weather really did help extend the season, which is always welcomed by the industry, and that certainly played out in many regions around the globe. From a product standpoint, in the quarter, we continued to see nice progression with the reception to OmniX. But then, as I said in the prepared remarks, controls and lighting and even filtration had strong performance in the quarter. Outside of the U.S., I'd really like to highlight Canada. Canada had a really strong quarter, up over 20%, which is welcome. We had a nice, strong bounce back in all of 2024, particularly in the third quarter, so we didn't have an easy comp here. comparing off a plus 17 in prior year, making the 20% growth even more impressive. Up there, we did see a relatively wet spring and then responded with strong seasonal flow orders, which was great. And there is some easing around the macro up there, particularly around some improved or lower mortgage rates. Continuing on that theme of international, Europe was up kind of low teens, which is also great with some improved supply chain capabilities. And because we struggled a bit with some early buy shipments last year, we actually started to ship some of the 2025 early buy into the channel kind of late third quarter this year. But rest of world was up mid single digits, particularly Asia up over 20% and Australia was high single digits. You know, this quarter in particular, we really did see nice balanced growth across a wide array of our markets. So, you know, now our attention obviously turns to early buy, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, which is progressing nicely. So, yeah, it was a good quarter from a demand standpoint and nice progression as the quarter played out.

That's great color. Thanks for all that. Yeah. On the early buy, which is my second question, you called it solid and it's tracking expectations. You know, how do we think about those comments relative to the market being flat and what was the reception to your six to 7% price increase that you announced?

Yeah, well, you know, as is customary with early buy, there is, there is a discount off of that announced price increase by participating in early buy to go along with extended payment terms. The whole program allows us to more level load our factories and have the product on the shelf for when the new season breaks here in 2026. I would say in general, we don't want to be passing the magnitude of the price increases on which has been multiple in a row here due to inflation and tariff headwinds. I would say that in general, I'd say the whole population has inflation fatigue and our industry is really no different there. As it pertains to the tariffs, which I'm sure we'll talk more about here, You know, what we've passed along, you know, in the early spring, which took effect really in the May timeframe was really dollar for dollar offset to the tariff impact. And we took it upon ourselves internally through our tariff mitigation plans to claw back the structural margin from that. So, um, you know, I would say that, uh, you know, we're, we're as anxious as anyone. to get back to more inflationary times and to maybe put more certainty around what the tariff environment will look like. And the sooner that happens for our industry, the more welcome that will be.

All right, perfect. I'll pass it on. Thanks.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Sari Boroditsky of Jefferies. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning.

Maybe just building on those pricing commentaries, I think one of the key distributors recently talked about innovation and new products as making the recent price increases a little bit more palatable. So maybe you could talk about some of your investments in new products and how much your sales are coming from this and how is this helping volumes versus pricing?

yeah so you know as we've spoken about in uh in in prior calls we had some very targeted investments in sgna and operating expense in 2025 and that really continued a more recent trend one of those targeted areas is around engineering um new product development advanced engineering with some new technology and innovation, trying to bring some new technology to our industry. We continue to work on that, and that'll continue to be an area of very targeted investment. I think technology matters, and I think that innovation will ultimately dictate winners and losers in our industry like most. I mentioned OmniX. We're really proud of what that whole ecosystem brings to the aftermarket. That's an enormous opportunity for our industry to really start automating the more aged pools in the installed base that were built when automation and controls didn't exist. So our approach is to bring this ecosystem one piece at a time as break-fix occurs. We have the initial product out, but there's more coming in the upcoming quarters to help automate and bring optionality and functionality and ambiance to the installed base.

I appreciate that. And then maybe just taking a step back on the steam, Maybe have you seen any trade-offs from price versus volume? And how do you think about that going forward as new pool construction especially has just gotten so much more expensive?

Yeah. Hi, sorry. It's Ivan. We haven't necessarily seen any trade-off occurring at this time. You know, we do know that many consumers, particularly at the entry level in the marketplace, remain on the sidelines. for the new pool and maybe even some of the remodel business. But we continue to see in our product sales profile, continued adoption of technology throughout the aftermarket installed base. And that also is reflective in the gross profit margin profiles that we're experiencing within the business. But certainly at the entry level, I'm quite sure that people are waiting for interest rates to break, the ability to move homes into that next level before they put the pool in. But we haven't necessarily seen larger scale trade-offs. across the aftermarket. Again, we see quite good adoption of new technology, great adoption in our controls category, and we're continuing to invest behind that capability.

Thank you. Appreciate the question.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Andrew Carter of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you. First question I wanted to ask about, given the renewed focus on private label that's out there, have you been seeing anything incremental in terms of either the positioning by the distributors, the demand from your contractors? And I know it's been mentioned that it's kind of a lower commodity side. What exposure do you have? And I get the price is high, but in this environment, wouldn't it be a lot more difficult to to do a private label program given the tariffs, et cetera. Thanks.

Um, yeah, I, I mean, you use the term private label. I think that the way we look at it is, is, is maybe around some exclusive distribution, uh, rights. It's maybe the same, the same thing, but, um, you know, I would say, you know, our industry, has attracted lower priced offshore competitors frequently. I mean, it's consistently occurred over Hayward's history here. And while the recent inflationary environment and the tariffs impact in the U.S. market has perhaps opened the door further, we believe that while there could be a price Delta there that the loyal dealer base of totally Hayward partners will continue to appreciate the value proposition of what Hayward offers them and the marketplace. Um, you know, when, when, when one of these Hayward dealers walks into a channel partner, they're asking for product by name, they're asking for a tri-star 900, not just a variable speed pump or the job that they're, working on. So, you know, by no means am I dismissing, you know, the risk or the concern because I think it makes us sharper, you know, but, but, but we continue to feel confident, you know, in our investments in innovation, as we just spoke about with Ceri's question around new product development. Um, the fact that we, uh, have a complete product line and can supply the entire pool pad to the, uh, to the trade, um, You know, our national coverage of Hayward authorized service centers and the technical resources for the trade to call upon. You know, we proudly support the U.S. market with over 90% of the products sold in the U.S. are built in one of our four U.S. manufacturing facilities in Rhode Island, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia. So we think we take pride in that. We think it's smart to shorten the supply chain to be able to satisfy the market. And I think our reputation for quality and service and dependability that's been built over our 100-year history means more than just the lower price. And I expect that to continue to serve us well.

Second question, shifting gears. Number one, why the raise in the cash flow guidance for the year of $20 million? And then just level set expectations. I believe that you have higher CapEx over the next couple of years around your supply chain efforts. Could you speak to that? And at this point, you're going to have a balance sheet probably likely below two times over the next couple of years based on estimates. What are your capital allocation priorities, and would you be aggressive on share repurchase? Thanks.

Andrew, it's Ivan again. Coming back to the cash flow increase of approximately $20 million, half of that's attributable to the increase in the midpoint of EBITDA. gone from a midpoint of 285 now to a midpoint of 295. We have some project timing around CapEx, which will move some of the CapEx spend that we had planned for this year into next year. And finally, working capital improvements. And we've seen some modest but welcomed working capital days on hand reduction in our inventory. And that will be accreted to the cash flow in the year. Could you just repeat to me the second part of your question, Andrew?

Yeah, the next couple of years, thinking about what your priorities are going to be, stepped-up CapEx spend that you might be doing, and then just kind of with this improved balance sheet where your capital allocation priorities lie.

Yeah, OK, got it. So as we previously talked about, we will be stepping up capex into the business. Historically, it's been around two to two and a half percent, maybe up to three percent at times of revenue. I believe over the next several years will be all of that three percent, if not slightly more, as we continue to invest. in automating our manufacturing and supply chain capabilities. We've already had some great success this year doing that, so a call out to several of our plants, including our Nashville facility, which has made some interesting automation investments, but that will be the thematic going forward over the next several years. We are completing ERP implementation. We've had some expenditures there this year and last year, and that will be a continuation into 26 and to 27. But the main focus of the organization right now is to take our facility capability up to the next level in terms of throughput, facilitated by automation and new technology platforms like AI and machine learning. terms of the capital allocation priorities remains remains the same uh we'll continue to do the organic capex i just mentioned we continue to look at m a we nurture a pipeline of opportunities we have the optionality now to focus on residential pool commercial pool and our small flow control business for accretive m a opportunities uh we did initiate a share repurchase program authorization, again, we have the opportunity to be optimistic and maybe programmatic at some point. The nice thing about this business, which we're now beginning to very clearly demonstrate, it has great cash flow characteristics, which gives us this optionality across that capital allocation spectrum.

Thanks. I'll pass it on.

Thank you. The next question is coming from Mike Halloran of Baird. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everybody. It's Pezon for Mike. I just want to follow up on the capital allocation side and maybe dial in a little bit on the funnel. You know, how are you thinking about the opportunities in both residential and commercial pool? You know, I noticed that you threw flow control in there. I know that's part of the business that doesn't get a lot of love. You know, maybe talk about how you're thinking about the makeup of the funnel, the actionability of the funnel. And to Andrew's point, obviously, the leverage is continuing to progress nicely. So any color on the M&A opportunities, where you're spending most of your time, and what you're seeing from a valuation perspective would be helpful.

Yeah, so in terms of a funnel, I mean, obviously with the deal leverage that's occurred over the last several quarters, it puts us in a different position. That said, while Clore King, which is now anniversary and a little over a year old, which has been a fantastic shot in the arm for our commercial business, We haven't announced anything, but we certainly have been working in the background to accelerate and work on some diligence with some opportunities. That really hits the two key platforms that you mentioned, Pez, around residential. I think we've been pretty open in saying that we have aspirations for commercial to become a growth platform for us, and we continue to look both organically as well as inorganically at some opportunities there. You know, we did mention in the prepared remarks our industrial flow control business. It doesn't get a lot of attention, but it's a fantastic business that provides great access to distribution and some nice growing end markets. We're relatively niche in the products that we offer today, but we're progressively spending time as a leadership team looking at what that might be able to be for us. So that's getting increased attention from a strategy standpoint, again, both organically as well as inorganically. We're looking... know across all those platforms from uh from a product technology standpoint what that can bring to us uh does it provide a regional um diversity and growth for us and look at always to capitalize and leverage our distribution uh relationships and partnerships and go-to-market strategies so that's those are those are several of the elements that we that we look and assess opportunities across customers.

Got it. Thank you. And then, you know, not to stick on a smaller part of the business, but maybe now that we're a year out of the Chlor-King acquisition, maybe talk about the success that you've seen in being able to expand Chlor-King's reach within your distribution channels and being able to bring that up to scale a little bit. And then on the flip side, maybe talk about what type of successes you've seen in pushing legacy Hayward products Um, you know, through that commercial market.

Yeah, there's been success across all those elements as, um, you know, we, uh, we have a fantastic, um, leader over that business that joined us, uh, from core King, um, with those resources, with the acquisition, we melded our existing commercial team into one, uh, one organization. and we're seeing cross-selling opportunities across both types of commercial pools. We talk about Class A and Class B, which is really just the size of the commercial body. We had a pretty complete product line along Class B, Legacy Hayward did, which are the smaller bodies of water, but really where we weren't represented was Class A, which would be larger than 100,000 gallons. which is really a sweet spot where Clore King participates. So with that acquisition and that integration, it brought relationships with the architects and the engineering firms and some of the specialized distribution that serves the large commercial market. So we're really pleased with the amount of cross-selling collaboration that's occurring across now the broader market commercial markets where we were, before chloroquine, really only participating in and growing in the Class B side of the market.

Great. Thanks. I'll pass it on.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Jeff Hammond of KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hi. Yes. Good morning. Um, just on, um, I got on a little late, so I don't know if you touched on this, but, um, you know, last year there was a lot of storms and I think your fourth quarter benefited from some kind of repair work. And I'm just wondering how you're contemplating, you know, that comp given, given a quiet hurricane season.

That certainly presents. So what we see is a bit of a headwind for Q4. I mean, it was a big fourth quarter as you mentioned last year, I think we were up. kind of high teens as business in the fourth quarter. And it was certainly aided by a couple unfortunate weather events that impacted the southeast with Helene and with Hurricane Milton. So we're not expecting that to repeat. And I think that, well, I don't think, I know that that's factored into the guidance that we gave in our press release on our prepared remarks this morning. So, uh, you know what we did talk about, I'm not sure when you joined, uh, you know, around early by, uh, we, we have had nice participation and nice response. to our early buy program. It's really closing out here in a few days in the US at the end of October, and it extends a little further for other international markets. But as we're talking this morning, we feel good about the participation, really what that says about channels, enthusiasm, and position heading into the new year, as well as what the dealer sentiment is. our programs, you know, get taken to the, to the dealer base out there, you know, and that's what's culminated and aggregated into the early buy orders that we received from our channel partners. So, um,

I'll stop there. Do you have anything to add around Q4? Yeah, no, I think you've captured it all, Kevin. I'd just add we expect a modest improvement in the North American early buy program to ship out in Q4. That will be slightly offset by a timing movement of early buy shipments in Europe. Jeff, you may have not heard it earlier. We shipped a little bit more earlier. early buy in Europe in Q3 will do less year over year in Q4. So net for total Hayward early buy will be as far positive. But then as Kevin mentioned in Q4, we don't expect to ship that hurricane related business that benefited uh 2024 so on a on a net basis volume we expect to be slightly down uh in q4 versus last year upside to the guidance would would be an extension in the season uh and the low end of our guidance for q4 would at this point pretty much reflect only uh negative weather impacts

Okay. And then, you know, as we go through the different pieces, it seems like aftermarket holding up fine. Just maybe touch on what you're seeing on that repair-replace dynamic that came up over the last couple quarters. And then, you know, new pool, I get it kind of not going down. But, you know, maybe just expand on what you're seeing on upgrade, remodel, if that's still kind of the biggest question mark or any, you know, signs of improvement there.

Yeah, as you say, the aftermarket is proving to be resilient. A question was asked earlier, I think it was by Suri, whether we were seeing any kind of trade down. Frankly, our guide contemplates maybe a little bit of mix in the aftermarket, but not much because it's holding up fine. On the new construction side, I'd say that the permit count has moderated, which is welcomed as the year has progressed here, but still a net through, call it three quarters, is still down. The trend continues that what is being built is at higher value year on year, which I think says something about the features that folks are putting on and the fact that maybe the mid to upper end is holding up better than more of the entry level pool. I would say anecdotally what we hear from our builders and our remodelers is that there's still lots of pent up demand on the remodel side. The installed base continues to age and it's moving sideways a bit. I think there's stabilization around the the remodel bus you know I think with a little bit of back row improvement around interest rates around existing home sales all of that will have very positive impact on the pool industry both from a new construction as well as a refurb and remodel I will close by saying last quarter there was it was follow-up questions around around parts and what that may signal for a desire to repair versus um uh replace uh we third quarter um you know a year-to-date basis i think we're up about high single digits on part sales you know some of that is explained obviously by pricing uh third quarter was not necessarily a strong uh year-over-year quarter for part sales so i think that you know this this this broad-based question or even concern around repair versus remodeling our data does not necessarily show that there's widespread repairing going on and deferral of the equipment replacement okay thanks so much kevin thank you our next question is coming from brian lee of goldman sachs please go ahead

Hey guys, good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. I just had, you know, two hopefully quick questions. I know a lot of ground's been covered. And sorry if you already covered this, but first question was just around the strong increase in margins in the international markets. If you could kind of provide some color around what drove that and how sustainable that is. And then second question, um, you know, it looks like net pricing in North America has kind of kicked up, um, a little bit from the beginning of the year, even from, you know, last quarter to this quarter, um, in terms of net price realization, as we think about kind of the trend you're seeing into year end or the buy season, et cetera, um, do you think 26 ends up being more of a, a normal, you know, kind of low single digit price year, uh, or, or are we going to see some of the factors from this year um uh spill over into next where we're probably still going to be elevated maybe more mid-term or digits than the historical low just trying to get a sense of where kind of that pricing paradigm is is heading to in 26. thanks guys uh good morning brian um let me tackle the europe uh margins here and then maybe between kevin and i will talk a little bit about the price but

In terms of the European margins, or ERW margins more specifically, You know, we did see an improvement year over year of 750 bits, approximately 300 bits sequentially. You know, year over year, I would say it reflects the non-repeat of some discrete inventory items that we had in Q3 of 24. So it's good to see that noise behind us. We've stabilized those facilities that we have in Spain that we've talked about this the management team there, both locally and supplemented with some expat capabilities moving into that organization. And sequentially now throughout the year, we've been able to post margin improvements in our European business, which has affected positively the overall ERW segment. What I would say is in Q3 this year, we did have a couple of one-time benefits. including a tariff refund, which is a cumulative tariff refund. So that probably benefited the Q3 margins this year by approximately 100 bps. And then we had a couple of other one-timers that additionally contributed an additional 100 basis points. But even if you discount those elements, we still had good sequential margin. improvements which again reflects the stabilization of our production capabilities in country, in Spain, and we feel good about the progress that we have made. In terms of the pricing, you know, net pricing realization, Did take a step up, obviously, year over year in Q3 this year, consequential primarily to the seasonal price that was enacted at the end of last year, plus the midterm pricing that we put in this year to protect against tariffs. That rolled through in its fullness in Q3. We got a partial benefit in Q2. We had a full benefit in Q3. We have announced further pricing for 2026. mid to high single digits in the U.S., much less elsewhere. Obviously, a lot of that is discounted through the early buy programs, but as we step into 2026, we'd expect a carry of that. We're not specifically guiding yet on 2026, but we certainly would expect uh slightly higher than normal let's call it mid single digit pricing next year uh we don't yet have any line of sight into end of year inflation next year so we're not willing to to commit to what next year's uh q4 seasonal price increases would be but we're hoping we get back to a normal inflationary environment uh where uh we can get to that normal pricing dynamic

Appreciate all the color. Thanks, guys. I'll pass it on. Thanks, Brian.

Thank you. The next question is coming from Nigel Coe of Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. So, Adrian, I just wanted to follow up on your, I think you said 100 base points benefits in the quarter from tariff refunds. Just a bit more color there. I mean, are you winning some exemptions on some of the imports and Is this a one-timer, or would you expect this to continue in 26, recognizing that you are rebounding away from China? And then maybe just give us an update on where you are with that supply chain realignment.

Yeah. An element of our ERW business is exported from the United States. And to the extent we are importing products into the U.S. manufacturing industry, those products and then re-exporting them to service LATAM, Asia, and the Middle East, were then eligible for a duty clawback on any tariffs we had paid on that initial inbound into the States. So we've now taken a more aggressive position towards our duty refund timelines, given the pain we're feeling, I have felt, on the tariff charge coming into the business. It's not necessarily a one time benefit, but it did take a pop in Q3 because it was a cumulative tariff refund, so a bit of catch up in the quarter. We will continue to apply for the eligible tariff refunds that we are entitled to and we will continue to do that. We have a long practice of doing that in the United States and that we're now getting more detailed in those applications in terms of. the progression of our tariff mitigation programs, will well progress, Nigel. You know, we've said that the North American business, we're going to reduce our China exposure from 10% to 3%. 10% to 3% will well progress. The team is doing a fantastic job getting after that mitigation. We're winning some success more so than we originally thought. So the actual cost to recalibrate the supply chain is coming in a little bit less than we had anticipated, which is a little bit of a tail to our margin. But yes, we'll well progress. I'm very pleased with what we've been able to do there.

Yeah, I mean, our global supply chain and operations team deserves props here. We laid out a very structured, thoughtful approach. approach to it that was really four work streams ranging from supplier negotiations in the impacted regions to some strategic inventory buy ahead to defer impact in 2025. That obviously has a shelf life to it. Some footprint and supply chain reshoring or movement And then, as I mentioned earlier, some pricing actions in the U.S., which was protecting dollar for dollar, but we internally felt we needed to, through our own actions, in the future, protect the structural gross margins through internal actions. So proud of the progress. More work to be done, but well-progressed on this movement from 10% exposure to 3%. As I said, irrespective of future negotiations, we're going to forge ahead. We believe that shrinking the supply chain or shortening the supply chain is the right approach and continuing to be more reliant on our U.S. facilities for U.S. sales.

Okay, that's great, Kala. And then a quick crack at the early buy. You sound like you're quite pleased with the program. If you could maybe just put a final point in that. Are you seeing sort of flattish participation? Are we seeing some small growth here? And then when you think about going back in time, is there a correlation between early buy strength and what actually transpires in the following year? or is it just a reflection of other things? I mean, if we feel strong, does it tend to correlate with a strong following year?

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe by asking the question, we can actually ask our BI team to look at that correlation. I don't have any general impressions to that question, but it's a good one, and we'll see if we can tackle that kind of thing. maybe I'll follow up with you as for early by you know when we laid out our expectations internally there was in terms of goal setting or objective setting an ambition for some modest volume in addition to the year-over-year price so that is in what we laid out with our with our internal targets so when I say that we feel good about the progress and the participation and where we are with, you know, a few days left in it, that would reflect, my comments would reflect some participation from a volume standpoint.

That's really encouraging. Thanks, Kevin.

Sure. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Halloran for closing comments.

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