HCA Healthcare, Inc.

Welcome to the HCA Healthcare Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr. Frank Morgan. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning and welcome to everyone on today's call. With me this morning is our CEO, Sam Basin, and CFO, Bill Rutherford. Sam and Bill will provide some prepared remarks and then we will take questions. Before I turn the call over to Sam, let me remind everyone that should today's call contain any forward-looking statements, they're based on management's current expectations. Numerous risks, uncertainties, and other factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those that might be expressed today. More information on forward-looking statements and these factors are listed in today's press release and in our various SEC filings. On this morning's call, we may reference measures such as adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP financial measure, a table providing supplemental information on adjusted EBITDA, and reconciling net income attributable to HCA Healthcare Inc. is included in today's release. This morning's call is being recorded, and a replay of the call will be available later today. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Sam.

All right. Good morning to everybody, and thank you for joining the call. We finished 2023 better than expected across most dimensions of our business. In the quarter, we experienced strong demand for services across our diversified portfolio of markets, facilities, and service lines. This growth, coupled with improved cost trends, drove solid financial performance in the fourth quarter. Diluted earnings per share, excluding gains on sales, were $5.90. which represented a 27% increase over prior year. We are encouraged by these results and believe the operational momentum we have created should position us well for 2024. As mentioned at our recent Investor Day, the staying power of HCA Healthcare was on display again throughout the year. Diluted earnings per share, excluding gains and losses on sales and debt retirement, for the year grew almost 13% as compared to 2022. As a management team, we pride ourselves on the following. First, owning our realities, whatever they are. Next, making a big company small so we can adjust timely. And third, being disciplined in thought, resource allocation, and execution, helping us to accomplish our mission. Once again, I believe our people have impressively demonstrated these traits in the face of new challenges and delivered positive outcomes for our patients, the communities we serve, and our other stakeholders. I often refer to them as can-do people, and again this past year, I think they proved it. I want to thank them for their hard work and everything they do for our company. Same facility volumes across the company were strong in the fourth quarter, Admissions grew 3% year-over-year. Equivalent admissions were up 4%. Emergency room visits grew 2%. Inpatient and outpatient surgery volumes increased approximately 1%. Most of our other volume categories, including cardiac procedures and rehab admissions, had solid growth metrics in the quarter also. All domestic divisions had equivalent admissions growth in the quarter. Additionally, payer mix and acuity levels in the quarter improved year over year. These factors, along with certain enhancements in a couple of states' Medicaid supplemental programs, helped produce same facilities revenue growth of 11% in the quarter. Bill will provide more detail on revenue in his comments. Operating margins improved in the quarter as we were able to generate solid operating leverage across the company on the increased revenue we produced as compared to the prior year, but even more impressively when compared sequentially to the third quarter. We executed well over the year on our people agenda. In the quarter, we saw further progress on key metrics as evidenced by solid employee engagement results, stable turnover trends, and reductions in contract labor utilization. As we have detailed in the past, we have implemented a comprehensive human resources plan. We expect to make further progress on it as we move into 2024. Our plan will remain a top organizational priority with significant investments in workforce development and training, which includes expansions in both Galen College of Nursing and our Centers for Clinical Advancement. With respect to hospital-based physician costs in the quarter, we slowed the rate of growth. As it pertains to Valesco, our physician staffing joint venture, we reduced the operating loss in the fourth quarter more in line with our expectations. As indicated in our investor day, we expect to invest significantly this year in our long-term plan, which we designed to take our company from strength to strength and achieve the growth potential we see in our core business. These investments revolve around three distinct opportunities. The first one includes continued network expansion in facilities, services, and workforce to to meet the demand growth that we expect in our markets while also supporting our efforts to increase market share. In 2024, we have over $2 billion of new capital projects scheduled to come online that will increase capacity. Additionally, we expect to integrate a number of newly acquired hospitals and outpatient facilities that should complement our networks. The second opportunity includes a robust agenda designed to advance digital capabilities across the company and unlock the embedded value we see in our operations. As high-performing as we are today, we believe there is more operational potential inside our company. With evolving technological tools, we are investing to unlock this value. We believe this initiative, together with our care transformation and innovation program, will enhance quality, drive further efficiencies through our financial resiliency program, and improve overall operational management capabilities, including integrating our revenue cycle in case management functions better. The third area of opportunity pertains to the flexibility we have to use our balance sheet position and strong cash flow production to invest heavily in our business and our people while also allocating capital to our shareholders. In 2024, we plan to increase capital spending to over $5 billion and enhance our share repurchase program to around $5 billion. We continue to believe this strategic plan will produce more winning plays for our organization, allowing us to deliver better services for patients while also creating value for other stakeholders. Let me close with this. The constants in our organization consist of three principles, giving our patients what they deserve whenever they need services, partnering with our physicians to deliver high-quality outcomes, and leveraging the distinct elements of HCA healthcare to improve performance. Our approach to delivering on these core values comes from what we term the HCA way. That is supporting our local provider systems with value-added enterprise-level capabilities coupled with disciplined and detail-oriented management teams that relentlessly focus on execution. This operating philosophy has helped us navigate different economic cycles, adapt to changes in the industry, and address challenges such as the COVID pandemic. As we look to the future, we have designed our next-generation growth plan to build upon the strengths we have developed over the years and take advantage of the opportunities in front of us. I am proud of HCA Healthcare, and I'm even more proud of our people. We will move into 2024 and the years ahead with greater purpose, with a renewed agenda to drive sustained growth, and with confidence in our ability to deliver value and positive outcomes for our stakeholders. With that, I'll turn the call to Bill, and he will discuss in more detail the quarter's results and 2024 guidance.

Okay, great. Thank you, Sam. And good morning, everyone. I will provide some additional comments on our performance for the quarter and year and then discuss our 2024 guidance. We highlighted at our recent investor day that our formula of combining strong operational performance with a disciplined and balanced allocation of capital has a long track record of generating value over time. Our results for 2023 and our guidance for 2024 reflect a continuation of this formula. Sam provided many of our fourth quarter indicators in his comments, so let me take a moment to review some of our results for the full year 2023. We have strong top line growth. For the year, our same facility emissions grew 3.3% over prior year. Equivalent emissions grew 4.8%. Emergency room visits grew 4.7%. and total surgical cases were up 2.3%. We maintained our strong acuity trends with case index increasing and payer mix improved with managed care and other admissions growing 6% for the full year on the same facility basis. Revenue per equivalent admission grew 2.7% on the same facility basis. This contributed to same facility revenue growing 7.6% and 7.9% on a consolidated basis for the full year 2023. We coupled top-line strength with strong management of operating costs. Salaries, wages, and benefits as a percentage of revenue improved 60 basis points on a consolidated basis compared to prior year. Contract labor declined 20% for the year and equated to 5.3% of SWB in the fourth quarter. Our teams continued to do a great job managing supply costs, which improved 40 basis points as a percentage of revenue for the full year. As we have mentioned throughout the year, we are managing through pressures on professional fees and hospital-based physician costs. But we saw an improvement in the sequential rate of growth in both the third and fourth quarter. Sam mentioned we also saw an improvement in our Valesco joint ventures. which was in line with our expectations. We are confident in our plans to continue working through what we believe are industry-wide pressures in this area. The result of this is we produced solid margins of 19.6% in line with a range of expectations on a consolidated basis and adjusted EBITDA growth at 5.5% on an as-reported basis for the full year 2023. So as a management team, We are very pleased with the operational performance of the company during the year. Let me briefly discuss our results in the fourth quarter. Adjusted EBITDA grew just under 14% in the quarter as compared to the prior year. This is primarily due to strong revenue growth and solid expense management during the quarter. In addition to our strong core business trends, we recognized a year-over-year adjusted EBITDA increase of approximately $250 million related to our supplemental payment programs. This includes the new North Carolina program and certain favorable adjustments within the Texas program. Additionally, based on our experience with the program to date, we began accruing the Florida program in the quarter, whereas previously we had recognized this program on an annual lump sum basis. Our recently acquired entities, as well as facilities divested in the prior year, resulted in about 90 million less adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, with roughly half of this declined from the Valesco joint venture. In summary, the quarter was the strongest operational performance of the year, and with the additional benefit from the supplemental programs and impact of new and divested facilities, We are very pleased with the year-over-year growth we were able to produce. So next, let me speak to capital allocation. We deployed a balanced allocation of capital in 2023. For the full year, our cash flow from operations was $9.4 billion, compared to $8.5 billion in the prior year, for just under 11% growth. Capital expenditures were just above $4.7 billion for the year, which was in line with our expectations. We've purchased approximately 3.8 billion of our outstanding shares and paid approximately 660 million of dividends during the year. Our debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage remains near the low end of our stated guidance range of three to four times. So we believe we are well positioned going into 2024. And with that, let me speak to our 2024 guidance for a moment. As noted in our release this morning, We are providing full-year 2024 guidance as follows. We expect revenues to range between $67.75 billion and $70.25 billion. We expect net income attributable to HCA Healthcare to range between $5.2 billion and $5.6 billion. We expect adjusted EBITDA to range between $12.85 billion and $13.55 billion. and expect diluted earnings per share to range between $19.70 and $21.20. And finally, we expect capital spending to range between $5.1 billion and $5.3 billion. So, let me provide a little additional commentary on our guidance. First, let me note the 145 million payer settlement we reported in the first quarter of 2023. Our guidance assumes a growth in equivalent emissions between 3 and 4%, and revenue per equivalent emission between 2 and 3%. Regarding state supplemental programs, I want to highlight that these programs are complex, and most have multiple attributes that impact the timing and amounts we receive. So this results in some variability of the timing of recognizing the impact of these programs during the year. For 2024, We are anticipating benefit from a new program in Nevada, but based on current assumptions, we expect some modest headwinds when we aggregate the impact of all of these supplemental programs, and we believe this could range between 100 and 200 million for the year. We expect full year margins to be within our historical trends, and cash flow from operations to range between 9.5 billion and 10 billion. Depreciations estimated to be about 3.2 billion, and interest expenses projected to be around $2 billion. Finally, our fully diluted shares are expected to be around $264 million for the year. As also noted in our release this morning, our board of directors has authorized a new $6 billion share repurchase program. This will be in addition to the approximately $300 million remaining on our prior authorization. In addition, our board declared an increase in our quarterly dividend from $0.60 to $0.60 per share. With that, let me turn the call back over to Sam.

All right. Thank you, Bill. As you saw in our press release, Bill Rutherford has decided to retire after 34 years with the company, 10 years as CFO, and Bill has had a tremendous career with ACA and then in my communication to our colleagues throughout the company, I indicated that it's impressive as the results were financially with the company during his tenure. Bill's legacy with the company will be remembered by the many people in the company as positively impacted with his leadership. mentorship and the way he embraced our mission and culture. And so, Bill, congratulations on your retirement, and thank you very much on behalf of the board and the senior team for everything you've done for the organization. Now, part of Bill's legacy is creating a really deep financial team inside our organization. We pride ourselves on having the capabilities to build talent, and then replace talent. And we're fortunate to have Mike Marks as our next CFO. Mike has been with the company for 28 years. He has had various roles, most of which were in the national group as the group CFO for the national group for 10 years. And then he's been in the senior vice president in financial operations role for the last few years. He is a proven HCA executive. He understands and appreciates our culture. He knows how to execute and get results. And I know he's going to be an exceptional CFO for HCA. And I'm eager for many of you to get to meet him. So, Mike, congratulations. So with that, Frank, we will go to questions.

Thank you, Sam, and thank you, Bill. As a reminder, please limit yourself to one question so we might give as many as possible in the queue an opportunity to ask a question. Greg, you may now give instructions to those who would like to ask a question.

All right. Thank you so much. And again, at this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star and then the number one on your telephone keypad. Once again, star one. And we will pause just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Okay, looks like our first question comes from the line of AJ Rice with UBS. Caller, please go ahead.

Thanks. Hi, everybody. Best wishes, Bill, on the retirement, and congratulations to Mike. I just want to ask about volumes, because there's obviously some different chatter out there about what's going on. I think coming into the fourth quarter, you guys had said you expected to see a return to normal seasonality. I wonder... whether that's what you described, what you saw there. Do you have any updated thoughts on whether we're seeing a sicker population post-COVID, maybe just some pent-up demand for people going back to see the doctors? And then specifically as well on utilization review management, you know, we've talked about that from time to time, that health plans are getting more aggressive post-pandemic now about utilization review. There's also chatter in the last week about Maybe there's actually easing around observation status. I wonder if you could tell us a little bit of what you're seeing in that category as well.

Well, let's see. AJ and Sam have about four questions there. Let me see if I can sort of synthesize them. I will tell you, from our judgment, we had normal seasonality with respect to most categories of our business. And we had indicated last year that we thought seasonality trends had returned in the latter half of 2022. And they continued, in our estimation, into the latter half of 2023 with the natural seasonality that we see in our outpatient areas as well as some of our other surgical areas. for the most part from the third quarter of this year to the fourth quarter. How that was influenced by new policies and pent-up demand, we can't really determine that, and we don't believe it had a material impact. So from our standpoint, we've been optimistic that our strategy around our network development, our execution on our quality and patient safety agendas, And then our partnerships with our physicians was going to allow us to continue to grow. We mentioned that at our investor day. And we think that's part and parcel to what's happening with our business as we push through the latter part of the year. I mean, there's always utilization policies and procedures coming from the payers. There's, like I said, some changes in certain policies. It's way too early to judge the effect of those. And we are really judging our business and thinking about 2024 optimistically around where the demand for health care is, at least in our markets.

Okay, thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Pito Chickering with Deutsche Bank. Caller, please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. And, Bill, it was a real pleasure working with you over the years, so thank you very much for all that. On supplemental payments, sort of, you know, a lot sort of unpacked there, I guess. Can you bridge actually what supplemental payments were in 22, 23 versus 24 as absolute dollars? And also on the OPEX side, how much the supplemental payment taxes were, again, for 22, 23, and 24. Thanks so much.

Yeah, Peter, let me put it this way. I can't give you all that detail right now. As we've talked about, you know, we view supplemental payments as really just part of our overall Medicaid revenue portfolio. I think we're up to 17 or 18 states with supplemental payments. programs right now. As I mentioned in my comments, each of these programs have a level of complexity and multiple attributes to it that affect the timing and when we recognize those. In the quarter, as I mentioned, we did recognize the benefit of the new North Carolina program. That was anticipated. We had a settlement in Texas and we began accruing Florida accounts for it. So, you know, we can maybe offline give you a quarter by quarter breakdown, but those were the main things that affected us. during the fourth quarter. But I will mention, even with the supplemental payment programs, the core operations of the business remain strong. We look at core revenue growth as well as our revenue per unit growth. We believe the supplemental payments were just added to what was already a strong quarter.

Okay, thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Justin Lake with Wolf Research. Justin, go ahead.

Thanks, guys, and I'll start off by adding my thanks to Bill. I appreciate all the help over the years, and you'll be missed, and congrats to Mike. My question was around Medicare specifically and a couple things. One, you talked about commercial being strong. We've been hearing Medicare and Medicare Advantage trends have been specifically really strong in the quarter. Can you give us some color on Medicare revenue growth and Medicare volume growth in the quarter? And then specifically, I think, you know, in reference to AJ's question, I think we just tried to touch on was the, you know, the impact of the two midnight rule. Can you talk about what's going on there for 2024 and what you think the impact might be? And did you see any early benefits in 2023 as you started ramping up into this? Thanks a lot.

Yeah, Justin, thanks for that. Let's start with the Medicare volume, as I know that's been a topic. We have seen some growth in our Medicare Advantage admissions, which were roughly up 10% in the quarter, which is pretty consistent for what we've seen throughout the year. And we think probably a combination of conversion from traditional Medicare fee-for-service, as well as some of our volume gains and maybe a bit utilization. It's hard for us to break that down. and its entirety on there. In terms of our revenue per unit between Medicare Advantage and Medicare, it's been very consistent through the year as well. So we didn't see any really step change in the fourth quarter of that material amount. When I think about the two midnight rule, Sam alluded, it's too early for us to judge the impact of this rule. We know it's got a period to be implemented. We believe ultimately it's going to benefit our patients. And we think over time could be some moderate positive results for us. But we've seen no impact yet. But we believe over time as we go through 24, there could be some modest benefit as we go through that.

Great. Thank you. Just a reminder, folks, again, star and the number one on your telephone keypad if you would like to ask a question. And our next question comes from the line of Ben Hendricks with RBC Capital Markets. Ben, go ahead.

Thank you very much, and congratulations to Bill and Mike. Just wanted to follow up on your comment about the $5 billion of capital spending you expect. Just wanted to get an idea of how you're thinking about allocating that, you know, into your inpatient capabilities and higher acuity and where you think, you know, where do you think, how should we think about that evolving through the year and the impact on case mix as we look into your 2024 guidance. Thank you.

This is Sam. We have been pretty consistent with our allocation over the years between inpatient, outpatient, and technology, and I think 2024 will be somewhat consistent with that. I will tell you we do have, you know, a large development pipeline of new outpatient facilities that are connected to our capital project in 2024 and 2025. We'll have quite a few come online, a little bit more than we had in 23 and 22. We do have some new hospitals in a few markets that will come online, and we're starting to invest in in other markets. So I think when we look at the volume of beds and so forth coming on in 24, it's about the same as 23, if I remember correctly, and then our ER capacity is growing consistently. So we're pretty consistent in our allocation of capital. It's not disproportionately oriented to any one category of our business. And we think, again, that approach has yielded really strong returns. It's allowed us to meet the demand expectations that exist in the market. And it's also responded to our physicians in a way that – created the capacity or allowed for the clinical technology that they need to practice their medicine. So we're stepping it up because we have a growing occupancy on the inpatient side, and then we have opportunities in the outpatient side to expand our networks further in these fast-growing communities. That's pretty much the snapshot of it, but it's generally consistent from an allocation standpoint to prior years.

Great. Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Gary Taylor with TD Cowett. Gary, please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. One clarification, and then I'll ask my real question. I just want to make sure I understood what Bill said, and congrats to Bill, by the way. You were walking through the net Medicaid DBP EBITDA outlook for 24, and I think you said overall you're expecting that dollars to come down 100 to 200 million. I want to make sure I had that Correct. And then my real question was just, you talked about stemming the Valesco operating losses sequentially to more in line with what you originally thought, which I think means maybe brings that down to sort of break even in the quarter. And I was just hoping you'd share with us a little bit about how operational you pulled that off.

Yeah, Gary, this is Bill. Thanks for those comments. Let's start with DPP. You are correct in my comments. We are expecting overall when we aggregate all the programs to potentially be a headwind anywhere between 100 and 200 million. Largely due to settlements that we received this year, we don't expect to reoccur. And then the Florida beginning accrual had an impact to that. So that's what's mostly driving that across our multiple programs. On Belasco, as we mentioned, it came in line with our expectations, which I think last quarter we sized just under $50 million or so a quarter. As we continue to work on multiple improvement initiatives, including further integrating that joint venture into HCA, we expect to see continued improvement going forward. Next year, I think Valesco for the full year will equate with about the same amount we recorded this year, but we had nine months this year versus 12 months, obviously, in 2024. So we do believe over time there will be continued improvement, and we're working diligently towards those efforts.

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Brian Tanquillette with Jefferies. Brian, please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, and Bill, congrats on a very successful career at HCA. I guess my question to follow up on Gary's, maybe expanding it further to the broader labor outlook, how are you thinking about the opportunity to further reduce spending on both nursing and obviously at Valesco? Or maybe another way to ask it is how are you viewing inflation at the wage level? Thank you.

Well, I think we've proven that teams have managed through that very well during the inflationary period we experienced. I think going forward, we expect to move back into kind of normal trends, which is generally 2.5% to 3% of wage inflation going forward. And then we believe there's continued improvement in contract labor to be achieved, and we have plans to execute that throughout 2024. On the professional fees on Valesco, we have a number of initiatives with teams working on that to not only further integrate into our operations, but to continue to figure out adjustments to those programs. Our professional fees I've talked to, we have seen a decline in the sequential rate of growth. So we're a bit encouraged with that. As we go into 24, we would expect those sequential declines to continue. And we're working hard through multiple initiatives, whether it be revenue enhancements, program adjustments, or looking at opportunities to internalize some of those programs.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Anne Hines with MZUHO. Anne, please go ahead.

Good morning. Thank you. And I also want to congratulate Bill on his retirement. I just have a couple of follow ups just on the managed care pricing yield assumptions for 2024, which is up two to three percent, which looks a little conservative given the two midnight rule. And when you look at Medicaid redeterminations, the growth in the health exchange and your states are very strong. So in your guidance, do you embed any benefit from the two midnight rule or kind of the shift from Medicaid potentially to commercial? And then secondly, if you can just maybe give us some more detail about how the two midnight rule could impact you, maybe a percent of our emissions or maybe kind of a differential between revenue per emit would be great. Thanks.

Yeah, and this is Bill. Let me first clarify our 2% to 3% mission is our aggregated revenue per accrual and admission, and then obviously there's categories underneath it. I would tell you regarding Medicaid redeterminations still early, we believe there's some modest benefit that we've seen as patients have migrated from Medicaid into HICS and other employer-sponsored. I don't believe that's material yet. We'll see how that continues to trend throughout 2024. And I would say we don't have a material amount factored into our guidance on that. On the two midnight rule, you know, as we said earlier, it is really early in that progression. It should be positive for us if it's implemented as expected. I think it will be positive for patients over time as well. And we'll just have to see how that plays out. But we don't have, I'd say, a material adjustment factored into our 24 numbers for that as well. Our range of guidance, I think, accommodates for various outcomes on both of those programs, and we'll see how that plays out as we go through the first part of the year.

Great. Thank you. And just one more reminder, star 1 on your telephone keypad if you would like to ask a question. And our next question comes from Whit Mayo with Lear Inc. Partners. Whit, please go ahead.

Thanks and congrats to Bill. I think this might be the second time you've retired, so I hope it sticks. But my question really, Sam, is I'm curious on any new expense initiatives that you guys have elevated internally as a new strategic focus. Anything maybe more creative or imaginative that you're bringing forth this year to challenge the organization? Thanks.

Well, at our investor days, Mike Marks presented our financial resiliency program, and it's got different components to it. There's more sophisticated integration of our revenue cycle that includes our case management initiative, which I will highlight here. Our case management initiative is to make sure that our patients get into the right setting in the right timeline and free up capacity where appropriate. And so for this past year, we had early stage success with that. Our length of stay was down, and our case mix was modestly up. So when you put the two together, it's a good start for us with respect to our case management initiative. That is important on multiple fronts. It allows us to allocate our nurse staffing more effectively to more acute patients. and so forth. We will continue to invest in that initiative as we bring on more technology, more structure to our teams, and better process in benchmarking. The second thing I would highlight is with respect to what we're calling our internal benchmarking initiative, we have incredible opportunities to compare more deeply into our organization, whether it's on the variable cost side with respect to what we allocate and distribute to our facilities. or on fixed costs. And both of those categories are getting a lot more benchmarking under Mike's leadership, and we're finding opportunities to rethink how we organize our cost structure, how we leverage process improvement, how we use technology and automation in those areas to improve processes and variable costs. So I'm excited about the prospects there. As I mentioned in my commentary, we had a very successful transition from the third quarter to the fourth quarter with respect to what we call clearance, operating leverage. And our operating leverage from the third quarter to the fourth quarter was the best I'd seen in my experiences with the company. And I think part of that, not all of that, is due to some of these initiatives and the transparency we have around our efforts to you know, improve efficiencies, improve clinical outcomes for our patients and so forth. So those are two things I would highlight. Obviously, our technology agenda and our care transformation is a longer run effort with respect to improved outcomes across different dimensions of our business. And we've had some modest success there in the short run, but we're really banking on those programs giving us long-term value. So those are just a couple of highlights. I will tell you, our teams culturally are disciplined. And as I mentioned, that discipline creates opportunities for us to find better ways to do things for all of our stakeholders. And that mindset is something that we carry forward from one year to the next, and we'll carry that on into 24, on into 25, and so forth. And we think it's an essential ingredient for a health system success. And I'm pretty proud of our teams and how they embrace that and how they execute on the initiatives to make that happen.

Thanks, Whit. And our next question comes from the line of Kevin Fishback with Bank of America. Kevin, please go ahead.

Great, thanks. And I'll just add my thanks to Bill for your help over the years. I guess I wanted to know, get a little more color from you guys about the volume expectation for 2024. Because you guys normally talk about two to three. It looks like you're looking for faster growth in 2024. So I just wanted to better understand where that extra growth is coming from. So any color on the service lines or procedures that you think still have room to grow above average? And if there's anything that you expect from a payer mix perspective in 2024, is there one type of payer where you think there's a big opportunity for volume to snap back? Thanks.

Kevin, let me start, and then Sam can add in. So, you know, we're going off our experience we've seen throughout 23, and as we said earlier in the comments, we thought there was very strong demand for services in our markets. We think our capital programs and our program initiatives are paying off. Our adjusted emissions this year were 4.8%. You're right, our guidance next year, you know, calls us for three to four expectation on adjusted emissions that may be a little higher than our two to three historical, but I think we're reading continued strong demand. We saw really strong enrollment in the health insurance exchanges across our states, and that continues to be a favorable development for us. We believe we continue to see strong economic indicators and employments and our access to contract and lives remain well. So I think all of those factors go into play with our expectations for 24, and it's based on kind of our current experience.

Great. Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Stephen Baxter with Wells Fargo. Stephen, please go ahead.

Yeah, hi, thanks, and congrats to Bill as well. I was hoping you could talk a little bit about surgical growth in the quarter, whether there's any notable puts or takes there by service line or inpatient versus outpatient. And then I guess the overall growth, you know, slowed down a little bit as we got to the back half of the year. I guess, how are you thinking about surgical growth in 2024, and especially coming up against maybe some of the tougher comparisons that you'll have in the first half of the year? Thank you.

So, you know, overall, the fourth quarter surgery was a little slower than the year-to-date, and we were talking about that earlier this morning. We did have a more difficult December calendar, even though we had the same surgical days in total. The way they were allocated created some issues. challenges at our outpatient settings that we saw, you know, outpatient activity not as strong as in the previous two months of the quarter. But at a structural level, there's nothing to suggest that our surgical volume trends are going to change. You know, for the year, we had really solid volume growth in surgery, and we continue to invest heavily in our programs, both on the outpatient side and supporting our inpatient activity with more acute and complex program offerings. And for the year, our inpatient surgeries were up two, and our outpatient surgeries were up two and a half. So a slight migration, if you will, into the outpatient setting. And we think that will be you know, generally consistent as we push into 2024. We do have a number of ambulatory surgery centers that have opened or will open in 2024. We've made a few acquisitions in certain markets with ambulatory surgery centers, and we continue to invest and our hospital operating suites, as well as improve our processes, just as we are improving our emergency room processes with our revitalization program. And we think that will continue to be a value add for our patients and for our physicians and help us with our volume pursuits. So that's how we're judging the surgical space. If you look at cardiac underneath that, our cardiac volumes continue to grow very robust and are actually growing in the mid-single digits. And we think, again, that's reflective of our overall program development expansion into new service lines underneath cardiac and responding, again, to our patient needs and physician needs in ways that we believe are productive for our organizations.

Excellent. Our next caller, or excuse me, our next question comes from the line of Jason Casorla with Citigroup. Jason, please go ahead.

Yeah, great. Thanks for taking my question and best of luck in your retirement, Bill. I just wanted to follow up on the professional fee environment. You noted there was some deceleration in professional fee spend growth, if I heard that correctly. But maybe what is your expectation for physician costs or professional fees growth embedded within 24 Guidance? And then on Velasco, it sounds like in your comments, Bill, that Velasco would generate $150 million of negative EVA the next year versus the $200 million or so headwind for 23. Is that a fair way to look at it? Or any other color, that would be great. Thanks.

Yeah, let me add in, and thanks for that. I think Velasco is a little lower. We're about $150 million in both years. But obviously in 23, we had a nine months versus 12 months next year. So we see a kind of run rate improvement as we go through the quarters during the year. On pro fees, we, as we said, have seen, you know, a decline in the sequential rate of growth. We have multiple initiatives underway. Embedded in our guidance next year is, you know, holding that professional fee growth perhaps to 8% to 10% versus this year where it's been closer to 15% to 20%. So we are looking for a step change, and we're confident in our initiatives. and the activities we have to be able to begin to bend that trend line.

Great. Thanks, Jason. And our next question comes from Scott Fidel with Stevens. Scott, please go ahead.

Hi, thanks, and I'll echo my congrats to Bill. And then my question is, would be curious in terms of how you're thinking about the whole broader debate on just the pent-up demand recovery in the seniors population. um and you know based on all your data and analysis sort of where you think uh you know the medicare uh utilization trends are now at this point you know relative to um to sort of pre-pandemic levels and returning to the baseline certainly felt like there there was you know some uh quite a bit of that recovery played out in 23 but but interested in sort of what inning you think we may be uh in that process at this point thanks

This is Sam. It's interesting. I'm just looking at a trend line here. I don't have it beyond this time period. But in 2019, this is a composite view of Medicare. So it has both Medicare and Medicare Advantage. Our Medicare admissions grew 2.6%. You throw out 2020, and 2021 grew 2.1%. 2022 grew 3.4%. And 2023 grew 4%. So, you know, is there acceleration on our trend? Yes. Obviously, there's aging baby boomers in the mix there, number one. Number two, we think we're picking up market share. So to judge overall utilization patterns around that is really difficult for us. There's population growth in our markets. When you look at adjusted admissions rates, on the same combination payer class. Again, 3.7% in 2019, 5.3% in 21, 4.7% in 22, and 5.7% in 23. So slight acceleration, but a function, we believe, of aging baby boomers and number of beneficiaries moving into programs population growth for us, and market share gains. So it's hard for us to judge underneath that whether or not there's some structural change in utilization. That's almost impossible for us to discern with the data that we have.

Great. Thank you, Scott. And our next question comes from the line of Sarah James with Cantor Fitzgerald. Sarah, please go ahead.

Congratulations on the retirement bill. You guys said that the impact of the two-midnight rule ramps through the year, so a ramp as opposed to flipping a switch. What are the mechanics of that stage implementation? Is it retraining your staff, or is it assuming some delay and benefit from claims denials and getting the payers on board? When would it be fully ramped? Are you talking mid-year, exiting 2024? And is there anything that HCA can do to pull that forward?

Well, I mean, the rule goes into effect January. So I think the impact may ramp over time. It's a notable change for the payers. So we're working very closely on the administration of those plans and making sure it's operating as prescribed. on there and and if it does we should see it you know equally through throughout the year and so we're working closely on it but it's a pretty big change for the payers and and so there might be some administrative um differences as it gets implemented through the year but we we hope very quickly we'll be able to work our way through that and begin to see see some benefit as we go through 2024. thanks sarah and our next question comes from lance

Wilkes with Bernstein. Lance, please go ahead.

Great. And congratulations to both Bill and Mike. Can you talk a little bit about labor supply that you're seeing? First, in the past, a couple of quarters ago, we talked about like demand that had been turned away at the hospitals. If you could just note if there's still any of that. And then how is kind of hiring pipelines and are there particular areas that are more plentiful or areas that might be bottlenecks?

Thanks.

This is Sam again. Thank you for the question. We finished the year roughly, I don't have the exact average here, at a 90% acceptance rate. In other words, we weren't able to take roughly 10% of the patients who were referred to us through our transfer centers and such. That improved throughout the year as we went from maybe the mid to high 80s in the first part of the year to a little better than that in the second half of the year. We're still below where we were in 2019. But what we have seen is more patients coming through our transfer centers and other patient navigation programs than we did in 2019. So we feel good about the inflow, if you will. We are still at times in situations where all of our capacity is not open and available, and that's what generates these. situations where we can't receive the patients that are coming through these navigation programs and transfer centers. We think that will continue to get better in 24 as we have capital coming online, as our hiring patterns continue to improve. Our turnover, as I mentioned in my commentary, has also improved. We've been very intentional in trying to create a great environment for our people with good leadership, resource capabilities, and just overall training to support the effort so that they can be successful in what they do. And we think that will help us push through 24 and hopefully have more capacity available and be able to receive the patients that want to get into our system.

Great. Thanks, Lance. And our next question. question comes from the line of Josh Raskin with Nephron Research. Josh, please go ahead.

Hi, thanks. Good morning. I'll thank Bill and congratulate him on the retirement and congrats to Mike as well. Could you speak to the increase in CapEx guidance? Again, this has been a multi-year trend for you guys and maybe how returns on CapEx have trended. I'm just curious if there's more mixed outpatient, is that actually improving returns or Are you getting to a point where, you know, the returns are coming in a little bit lower for the incremental project, you know, as you sort of continue to go down the list? Thanks.

Josh, this is Bill. I'll start on the returns. Our returns remain very solid. I mean, we're in the upper team's returns. We have a very disciplined process where we evaluate these projects and we actually do look backs to validate some of our assumptions. And to me, the growth in the capital spending is a reflection of the growth of the opportunities we see to deploy capital to continue that growth. So we're very pleased with the returns on those. I think as Sam mentioned earlier in the Q&A, the mix between inpatient and outpatient, you know, varies from time to time, but mostly similar. We do have some, you know, newer outpatient facilities coming on. They generally have very good returns. and quick returns when they do come online. So I think the capital program we're pleased with. It's an important component to our growth formula, as we've talked about, and we're pleased with the overall returns in the interview.

Yeah, and the only thing I would say, and Bill alluded to this, our outpatient platform tends to be short-cycled returns. We get real efficient returns. sort of capital allocation with outpatient facilities. And then on the hospital side, we are a hospital-centric health system. And as we invest in our hospitals, those are long-lived assets, and they have a longer cycle to them with respect to returns. But they're critically important to the overall value that our outpatient facilities can generate for our system in the sense that we're able to navigate the patient further into the healthcare system if they need it. more acute care offerings. So we have to look at it in both manners. I think to Bill's point, we have had strong returns, a pattern of strong returns We have occupancy on our inpatient hospital side in the low 70%, which is a pretty high occupancy level up over where it was pre-pandemic, even with the additional beds that we've added. So we think the network model that we highlighted for you all at the Investor Day is working and is complemented by the outpatient facilities, integrated with the hospital system in a manner that produces really positive enterprise returns for our company.

Great. Thanks, Josh. And our final question comes from the line of Cal Sternick with JPMorgan. Cal, please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks for squeezing me in. And I'll add my congratulations to Bill as well. So two follow-ups. First, on the redeterminations, it sounds like that's a slight benefit to the 2024 guide, but not really material yet. Just wanted to clarify, if this does develop better than you're anticipating, is it something you think could be material to 2024, or is the upside, you know, more annualized in 2025 after the redeterminations are completed? And then my other question was on the quarter itself. So, one of the payers called out higher COVID inpatient costs per case. Can you talk about the COVID acuity levels that you saw in the quarter and whether that developed consistently with what you've seen in the past?

Yeah, this is Bill. Let me start with the Medicaid redetermination. I think your characteristic is right. We do see some modest benefit in 2024. I haven't judged it to be material yet, but our range of guidance allows for some outcomes on there. We started to see some of the effect of those redeterminations late in 2023. We're tracking those very closely. We're seeing roughly, you know, 30 to 35% of those individuals that were potentially lost Medicaid seem to show up with either HICS or employer-sponsored coverage, so there's some benefit in that. Decently large number being able to be reapplied into Medicaid because some were redetermined off for technical reasons. So we've been able to manage through that, and I think with the conversion into either HICS or employer-sponsored, there is some modest benefit as we go through the year, and potentially that will continue as we go through 2024. But don't judge it yet to be material benefit. At this stage, you know, regarding COVID, to be honest with you, COVID has really been stable for us over the past year in total. Our COVID emissions are roughly 2% of our total emissions. I don't really have any data on acuity, but I think it's very, very stable and hasn't really been a material factor in our overall operating results of late.

Great. Thanks, all. And that does conclude our question and answer session. I would now like to turn it over to Frank for closing remarks. Frank, the floor is yours.

Sure. Great. Thank you for your help today. And thanks to everyone for joining us on the call. Hope you have a wonderful week. And we'll be around this afternoon in the balance of the week if we can answer any additional questions you might have. Have a good day.

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