Warrior Met Coal, Inc.

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Warrior Fourth Quarter in Full Year 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, press star, then one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star, then two. This call is being recorded. and will be available for replay on the company's website. Before we begin, today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements, and actual results may differ materially from those discussed. For more information regarding forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's press releases and SEC filings. The company has posted reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures discussed during this call in the tables accompanying the company's earnings press release located on the investor section of the company's website at www.warriormetcoal.com. In addition to the earnings release, the company has posted a brief supplemental slide presentation to the investor section of its website at www.warriormetcoal.com. Here today to discuss the company's results are Mr. Walt Scheller, Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Dale Boyles, Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Scheller. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Operator. Hello, everyone, and thank you for taking the time to join us today to discuss our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results. After my remarks, Dale will review our results in additional detail, then you will have the opportunity to ask questions. Our fourth quarter results reflect the culmination of a highly productive year for Warrior, where we made meaningful progress on our strategic priorities to build significant, sustainable stockholder value, and we were very pleased to end the year on a strong note. We met or exceeded both sales and production volume targets for the year, recording a 34 percent increase in sales volumes and a 21 percent increase in production volumes. These are run rates not seen since 2020. We also achieved record high annual production and mined four of 2.5 million shore tons. Our cash generation from operating activities was exceptionally strong, allowing us to fund a record high amounts of capital expenditures and mine development. We further strengthened our balance sheet with the early retirement of debt. As a quick aside, there is one fourth quarter metric total sales volume that could have been better by 129,000 shore tons had our last two customers' vessels made it to the terminal on time as scheduled. These contracted shipment delays lowered our adjusted EBITDA by approximately $23 million for the fourth quarter. We know that some investors put a significant amount of emphasis on the MSHIP production data equaling sales volumes, which can lead to expectation differences. So, it's important to understand the impact of timing differences here and our strategic focus. Our purchase spot volumes is working quite well. As we indicated on our third quarter earnings call, we took a more strategic approach to selling spot volumes in the fourth quarter. Our goal was to leverage our high-quality brands, maximizing our cash margins, and build inventories for optimal logistical operations as we prepared for 2024. As a result, we increased our margins per short-term by 63 percent from $70 in the third quarter to $114 in the fourth quarter. In addition, we anticipate that this strategic approach of leveraging our high-quality steelmaking coal to maximizing our cash margins will benefit us in 2024 as we expect our spot volume to be lower with higher contracted volumes. I'll share more about our 2024 outlook in a little later. First, let's discuss the steel and steelmaking coal markets during the fourth quarter. As expected, steel output from China continued to slow down during the quarter, but net exports from the country remained higher than usual. The additional volumes from China found their way into different geographies, impacting the domestic markets of some customers and putting pressure on steel prices. Demand from India was strong, and customers in India continued to indicate an interest in developing relationships with U.S.-based producers like Warrior. Although overall demand was stable from our contracted customers, we continued to see very little spot activity in our traditional markets compared to India, China, and Southeast Asia, where spot demand remained more active. We also experienced higher than normal freight rates for our deliveries into the Pacific Basin due to a combination of market, logistical, and geopolitical factors. The availability of premium steelmaking coals, like our MON 7 low vol product, remained tight during the quarter compared to the availability of second-tier steelmaking coals, like our MON 4 high vol A product. This was evidenced by the price relativity between both qualities, which remained lower compared to previous years. For example, in 2022, the second-tier steelmaking coals traded at price relativities in the low to mid-90s. whereas 2023 price relativities were closer to the mid-'80s. Russians still making coal exports into China and India remained at historic highs and showed no signs of slowing down. Likewise, imported coal from Mongolia into China remained strong, having secured its spot as the largest source of imported coals for the country. U.S. steelmaking coal exports into the Pacific Basin continues to increase, as more suppliers target the growth markets of India and Southeast Asia. We expect that 2023 will be a record year for U.S. exports into India, as well as for exports into Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam. Although U.S. exports into China are lower than highs observed in 2021 during the ban of Australian coal imports, they remain strong compared to historical averages. The major indices were fairly stable throughout the fourth quarter, with the exception of some upward volatility in October. Our primary index, the PLV FOB Australia, ended the fourth quarter at $294 per short-ton, which was $8 lower than its October first value. In sharp contrast, the PLV CFR China increased by $47 per short-ton during the same period, closing the fourth quarter at a price of $301 per short-ton. It's worthwhile pointing out that the East Coast High Vollet price averaged $250.5 per short ton during the fourth quarter, which is one of the primary indices used to price our mine for High Vollet product. According to the World Steel Association Monthly Report, global pig iron production increased by approximately one-half of one percent for the full year of 2023, as compared to the prior year. The positive growth was mainly driven by higher Chinese steel production which grew by 0.1 percent in 2023. India steel production, although lower in absolute terms compared to China, continued to grow at impressive rates, increasing by 7.3 percent for the same period. Most other large steel producing regions of the world experienced production declines compared to 2022. Now turning back to our results, our fourth quarter sales volume of 1.5 million short tons was 6 percent higher in the comparable quarter last year. The increase was primarily driven by the additional production volumes due to the end of the labor strike, the improved performance by our transportation partners, and the McDuffie Terminal, which enabled us to export more product last year. Our shelf-by-geography in the fourth quarter breaks down as follows. 56 percent into Europe, 16 percent into South America, 25 percent into Asia, and 3 percent into the U.S. markets. As was previously noted, demand from the Asian spot markets has been growing this year, resulting in full-year Asian sales up 9% year-over-year to 29% of total sales, while European sales are down 12% year-over-year to 48% of total sales, primarily due to weak spot markets. Our spot volume is 38% in the fourth quarter, which is much lower than the 44% in our third quarter as we took a more strategic approach to selling our premium products into the spot markets to maximize margins. As we previously indicated, our spot volume was higher in 2023, primarily due to the incremental volume resulting from the end of the labor strike earlier last year, and to a lesser extent, the change in mine force quality from a mid-vol to a high-vol late product in the second half of the year. With these dynamics in mind, it's important to understand pricing in the Pacific markets and how it differs from our traditional spot markets, depending on market conditions. Typically, the Pacific markets are priced based on a CFR basis rather than the PLV, FOB Australia basis, which is more common in our traditional markets. The freight differential is borne by the supplier on a CFR basis whenever the buyer has market leverage, which was the case in the fourth quarter. Turning now to other details on our fourth quarter performance, production volume in the fourth quarter was better than expected and totaled nearly 2 million short tons compared to 1.5 million short tons in the same quarter of 2022, representing a 34% increase. This was the highest quarterly production output since the first quarter of 2021 and contributed to a record-setting year for Mine 4. Both mines operated at higher capacity levels in this quarter and for the year as a result of the additional employees returning from the labor strike, increasing production volumes 21% year-over-year. Our headcount was 36% higher at the end of this year compared to the prior year. The higher production over sales volume in the fourth quarter drove our coal inventory up to 968,000 short tons from 489,000 short tons at the end of the third quarter. We're well positioned heading into 2024 to create incremental value from the global demand for our premium products in the current high-price environment. During the fourth quarter, we spent $182 million on CapEx and mine development. CapEx spending was $181 million, which includes $128 million on the Blue Creek project, which I'll discuss more in a moment. Mine development spending on Blue Creek project was almost $2 million during the fourth quarter. Moving on to the development of a world-class Blue Creek growth project, during the fourth quarter, we continued to make excellent progress on the project, and I'm pleased to share that our work remains on schedule and within the cost estimates we outlined previously last year. During the fourth quarter, we continue to make progress on the production slope, service shaft, ventilation shaft, which will be fully connected in the second half of 2024 to allow our continuous miners to start development. In addition, we continue to make good progress on the construction of the preparation plant the mine belt structure, the bathhouse, the warehouse, and developing the rail and barge loadout sites during the fourth quarter. Capital expenditures for the development of Blue Creek were $128 million for the fourth quarter and $319 million for the full year. We've spent $366 million on the development of Blue Creek since the beginning of the project. We remain on track for the first development of tons from Blue Creek's Continuous Miner Units in the third quarter of 2024, and the Loan Wall is scheduled to start up in the second quarter of 2026. We're extremely excited to begin the journey of producing coal from this new asset later this year. We expect approximately 200,000 short tons of production of high-volume steelmaking coal from the Continuous Miner Units in 2024. Since the new preparation plant will not be operational until sometime in the middle of 2025, We do not anticipate selling any of those tons until 2025 due to the incremental cost to transport the tons to another preparation plant to be washed. I'll now ask Dale to address our fourth quarter results in greater detail.

Thanks, Walt. For the fourth quarter of 2023, the company recorded net income on a gap basis of $129 million, or $2.47 per diluted share. representing a 29 percent increase over the net income of $100 million, or $1.93 per dilute share, in the same quarter of 2022. Non-GAAP adjusted net income for the fourth quarter, excluding the non-recurring business interruption and other expenses, was $2.49 per diluted share. This compares to adjusted net income of $1.90 per diluted share in the same quarter of 2022. These increases quarter over quarter were primarily driven by 6 percent higher sales volumes and a 3 percent higher average net selling price, which were offset partially by lower results from our gas businesses. We reported adjusted EBITDA of $164 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $148 million in the same quarter of 2022. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 45 percent in the fourth quarter of 2023. compared to 43 percent in the same quarter of 2022. These increases were driven primarily by the previously mentioned higher sales volumes and higher average net selling prices, offset partially by the lower results from our gas businesses. Total revenues were $364 million in the fourth quarter, compared to $345 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. This increase was primarily due to the 6% increase in sales volume, plus the 3% increase in average net selling prices, and lower demurrage and other charges. Demurrage and other charges were $3 million lower compared to 2022's fourth quarter. As you may remember, the higher demurrage and other charges in the fourth quarter of 2022 were the result of temporary delays and vessel loadings due to severe weather and port congestion. Merge and other charges reduced our average net selling price to $235 per short ton in the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $227 per short ton in the same quarter of 2022. Other revenues, primarily from our gas businesses, were 72% lower in the fourth quarter of 2023, primarily due to a 55% decrease in natural gas prices between the periods. The Platts Premium Low Ball FOB Australian index price was relatively stable for much of the fourth quarter. The index price averaged $303 per short-ton for the fourth quarter, which on average was $50 per short-ton higher compared to the same quarter of 2022. We primarily target pricing our Mine 7 Premium product from this index, which represents about 70% of our volumes. For Mine 4's High Ball A product, which is about 30 percent of our volumes, we primarily target using the East Coast High Vol A Index price for our traditional markets. As we mentioned, we transitioned Mine 4 from a mid-vol to a High Vol A product in the second half of 2023. As a result of the demand imbalances between the Pacific and Atlantic basins this past year, we have at times used other indices to price our Mine 4 High Vol A product, such as the CFR China Index CFR India Index, or the Loval HCC Index. The price relativities between these indices and the PLV FOB Australia can be and have been significantly different depending upon market conditions. In addition, as noted earlier, the Pacific Basin markets usually require the producer to cover the freight cost to these markets, which lowers our average net selling prices. Cash cost of sales in the fourth quarter of 2023 was $185 million, or 51% of mining revenues, compared to $179 million, or 54% of mining revenues, in the fourth quarter of 2022. Of the net $6 million increase in cash cost of sales, $10 million was due to the 6% increase in sales volumes, offset partially by $4 million of lower transportation costs due to timing. Our hit count was 36% higher at the end of 2023 compared to last year due to a focus on hiring workers during the labor strike and the addition of employees who returned from the labor strike in the second quarter of 2023. Cash cost of sales per short-time FOB report was approximately $121 in the fourth quarter compared to $123 in the fourth quarter of 2022. Transportation royalty costs were slightly lower in the fourth quarter this year as compared to the same quarter of 2022. Our cash cost of production per short-term was slightly higher in the fourth quarter as compared to the same quarter of 2022, despite the incremental cost associated with the 36% higher hit count. SD&A expenses were about $13 million, or 3.6% of total revenues in the fourth quarter of 2023, and were slightly higher than 2022's fourth quarter of 3.4%, primarily due to an increase in employee-related expenses. The interest income earned on cash investments will exceed the interest expense on outstanding notes and equipment leases during the fourth quarter of 2023, primarily due to lower interest expense from the early retirement of nearly 50% of our senior secured debt in the third quarter of 2023. Our fourth quarter income tax expense reflects expense on pre-tax income and includes an income tax benefit for depletion expense and foreign derived intangible income. Turning to cash flow, during the fourth quarter of 2023, free cash flow was $63 million. This was the result of cash flows generated by operating activities of $245 million less cash used for capital expenditures and mine development of $182 million. Free cash flow was $34 million lower than 2022's fourth quarter, primarily due to higher Blue Creek CapEx spending. Free cash flow in the fourth quarter of 2023 was positively impacted by a $90 million decrease in net working capital from the third quarter. The decrease in net working capital was primarily due to a decrease in accounts receivable on lower sales volumes, partially offset by higher inventories and lower net accounts payable in accrued expenses. Despite the higher capital spending associated with the Blue Creek Growth Project this year, we generate four-year free cash flow of $176 million, of which $61 million has been returned to stockholders in the form of a special dividend earlier last year on top of the regular quarterly dividends, which increased 17% last year. Our total available liquidity at the end of the fourth quarter of 2023 was $846 million, representing an increase of $36 million over the third quarter, and consisted of cash and cash equivalents of $738 million and $107 million available under our ABL facility. The fourth quarter of 2023 capped off a robust year of building stockholder value. As full year volumes returned to levels not seen since 2020, and market pricing for our premium products was high. This combination led to another year of strong cash flow generation from operations of over $700 million that enabled us to fund an all-time record high amount of capital expenditures and mine development of $525 million for the future growth of our business. It also allowed us to retire early $162 million, or nearly 50% of our senior secured debt. These results demonstrate the significant cash flow generation of our existing operations that we expect to grow tremendously in the near future with the addition of our new Blue Creek mine. Now let's turn to our outlook and guidance for the full year 2024. We expect the demand from our contracted customers to remain stable, while we also expect spot demand to continue to be stronger in the Pacific Basin compared to our traditional markets in the Atlantic. We will continue to pursue our successful strategy of focusing on contracted customers with value-added spot activity. We believe the current tightness in the supply of premium coals, like our Mine 7 lowball, will persist for some time, which should support higher pricing relative to the second-tier steelmaking coals. Our full-year outlook encompasses this favorable landscape, and we believe 2024 should be another strong operational year for Warrior primarily driven by higher volumes. We expect sales volumes may exceed production volumes, using the midpoint of the ranges, by up to a half million short tons in 2024, as we take advantage of market pricing and the higher inventories on hand. We anticipate our contract to spot volume ratio will be better in 2024 than last year at about 75 percent contract and 25 percent spot. This compares to 59% contract and 41% spot in 2023. In addition, we expect to hire approximately 250 new employees in 2024 to fill in gaps in the existing mines and ramp up our hiring for the Blue Creek mine later this year. Inflationary costs in the mining sector continues to persist and pressure cost structures for labor, supplies, materials, and equipment purchases. These additional costs are expected to drive up our cost per short-time in 2024, as outlined in our targeted range for cash cost per short-time. Lastly, after considering our total liquidity and our favorable outlook for 2024, we recently announced that the Board of Directors has decided to increase the regular quarterly dividend by 14 percent. We expect to distribute the dividend on February 26th. This marks the third consecutive year the company has raised its quarterly dividend while developing its world-class Blue Creek reserves. In addition, we recently announced our plans to distribute a special cash dividend of 50 cents per share in March, demonstrating our continued commitment to returning excess cash to stockholders while driving long-term growth of the business. I'll now turn it back to Walt for his final comments.

Thanks, Dale. Before we move on to Q&A, I'd like to make some final comments. As Dale just noted, we have a favorable outlook for 2024 as orders from customers in our traditional markets suggest stable demand for our coals for at least the first half of the year, while we expect markets like India and Southeast Asia to continue to experience an increase in demand with new projects coming online. We're closely monitoring the dual logistical challenges posed by low water levels in the Panama Canal system, as well as the geopolitical tensions in the Red Sea. For now, the impact warrior has been higher freight costs, especially into the Asian markets, which continue to be above historic averages, while the impact to some of our customers has been longer transit times. It's difficult to predict if this will improve or deteriorate during the next few quarters. We believe that steelmaking coal pricing will remain bifurcated as the availability of premium lowball steelmaking coals should stay tighter than the availability of second-tier steelmaking coals. As such, we believe the lower price relativities of the second-tier steelmaking coals will continue for the near future and also depend upon the geography of spot volumes. While we are well prepared to address a variety of market conditions, we are also extremely excited and laser-focused on the disciplined development of our world-class Blue Creek reserves. We expect another year of high capital spending on the project ranging from $325 to $375 million which can be funded out of cash on our balance sheet if the market should turn unfavorable in 2024. As I mentioned earlier, we continue to make excellent progress in developing Blue Creek. We are on track for the first development tons from continuous miner units in the third quarter of 2024, with a low wall scheduled to start up in the second quarter of 2026. We expect approximately 200,000 short tons of production of high vol A product from the continuous miner units in 2024. This raw coal production has been included in our production guidance. In conclusion, our full-year outlook encompasses a favorable landscape, and we see 2024 representing another strong year of operational success and growth capital deployment, driven by expected higher steelmaking, coal production, and sales. With that, we'd like to open the call for questions. Operator?

Thank you. At this time, I would like to remind everyone to ask a question. Please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. We will pause for just a moment to compile the roster. And our first question comes from Lucas Pips of B Reilly Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thank you very much, Operator. Good afternoon, everyone. My first question, Walt and Dale, is on on the sales mix for 2024. I wondered if you could maybe provide a rough breakdown of anticipated sales, kind of on a percentage proportional basis, high vol A, FOB port, PLV, FOB port, and then also high vol A, PLV, kind of CFR China, so we can get a better sense of how these higher freight costs impact realizations. Thank you very much.

Well, generally, I'll start with the, you know, our expectation is with mine seven, we're probably 70% to 80% contracted, and those will all be sold FOB port. The remaining 20% to 30% will be spot tons, and those could go either into our traditional markets to those customers or end up going into some of the markets where we have the CFR issue going into Asia. For Mine 4, we're, I think, about 55 percent contracted this year, some of it into traditional markets. But I would say for Mine 4, you're probably going to look at at least 50 percent of that coal going into CFR sales. I think in total, you're probably 70 percent Mine 7, 30 percent Mine 4 tons, if all that Probably answered your question. I hope so.

There were a lot of helpful tidbits in there. I may follow up on some of it. But I want to circle back on my number four. It sounds like a high-volume A product today. Does that description cover all of the output of my number four? And should we kind of think of We'll call it a PLATS or similar index as the best approximation for FOB pricing for my number four today.

Yeah, this is Dale. Yeah, that is pretty much a high-volume product now, and it transitioned in the second half. And I think that's about 30% of our volume, and we typically target the East Coast, high vol A index for our traditional markets. Now, when you go into the spot markets, it could be a combination of those different indices outlined in my remarks, which is, you know, it just depends on where it's going geography-wide these days. So, you know, the markets have really changed with a lot of demand coming out of the Pacific Basins this time. over the last six months, and we see that as kind of the future is where a lot of demand is going to continue to come. So we're probably looking at about 65% of our volume going into the Pacific Basin in 24 and about 35 into our traditional Atlantic markets, just in total.

Very, very helpful. Thank you for that. I'll squeeze one in here on the sales side. In terms of the cadence of shipments, in 2024. Could you provide a little bit of color? It sounded like you had some tons delayed here at the end of Q4. I'd assume they come through in Q1, so maybe Q1 is a bit of a stronger shipment quarter. But I would appreciate if you could frame that up. And when I think or when we think more high level about the production output in Q4 versus tons sold. Is that a reflection of weakness in your traditional markets or were there any other complications moving those tons?

Thank you very much. All the contracted tons moved to those customers as expected. What we did is we said in the third quarter we moved more into the spot market and we decided in the fourth quarter to take a little more strategic approach and maximize margins. So we held off on any business that we felt that would hinder that. So that's how we ended up there. In terms of cadence for sales, Lucas, you know, the problem with that is in any given quarter, you can have something happen in one week at the end of the quarter that can adjust that downward by as much as 200,000 tons. I think the best, you know, the, We try to match production and sales, but that's about, I can't give you much more guidance than that. And if you look for the year, we kind of give you what we think for the year, but I can't tell you which quarter any reduction in inventories will come in.

Yeah, we're just, we're really focused on just what the year is and the quarters just kind of fall as it, you know, as the ships arrive and as, complications arise with bad weather, deport, and everything, that's less important to us than our full-year targets. We really don't manage to the quarter results. We manage long-term.

Understood. Understood. No, that's helpful. So maybe to just put it a little differently to help me with the modeling, you have one long, long move in Q1. So kind of fair to assume that production is maybe a touch lighter than in Q4, and then you mentioned you're looking to match sales with production. Has that occurred for Q1? Are you currently matched?

We're right on target for where we wanted to be year-to-date.

And with the long-well move kind of slightly less than Q4 on production, makes sense?

It does make sense.

All right. Well, this is helpful. Thank you. I'll turn it over. Thank you. Thanks, folks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Nathan Martin with the Benchmark Company. My apologies there. Our next question comes from Katja Jenik with BMO Capital Markets.

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. First, starting on the Blue Creek CapEx, the original project cost is about $700. million, and then adding the scope gets you to 820 to 830 million. Now, on top of that, there's inflationary pressure. So I get up to about a billion. Are my calculations correct?

That's a general trend, and there's really been no update or change to those initial updates that we had back in the summer. So yes, target inflation, we haven't seen any reduction in labor, materials, supplies, equipment purchases, that inflation is pretty much stuck in this sector. You know, it depends on what particular item, but a range of 25% to 35%. So if you just take the midpoint, 30% on your $700 million plus your $130 million scope change, yeah, you're right around $1 billion. Okay.

And I think, Dale, you said you're going to be hiring more miners. later in the year for Blue Creek. Is that already included in your cost guide?

Yes.

And how many miners do you have to add this year?

We're adding in total 250 to the company and somewhere around 100-ish for Blue Creek of that.

Okay, thank you. I'll hop back into the queue.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Nathan Martin with the Benchmark Company.

Thanks, operator. Guys, can you hear me okay now? Yes. Okay. Perfect. What I was trying to say is, Dale, I think, you know, you were talking, again, to Lucas's questions around logistics, and obviously you guys pointed out the two late vessels in the fourth quarter affecting shipments there. You mentioned, I think, you know, low water in the Panama Canal, Red Sea issues. You know, we also have the Demopolis lock outage right now. So I guess it'd be great to hear, you know, how these are or are not affecting Warrior. Obviously it sounds like transportation costs are elevated, but you know, how you guys are working through or around some of these issues.

Thanks. The issue around Demopolis has not impacted us to date. We have, you know, our rail service has been very, very strong. We hope that continues. And we have other options to get the coal to market if we start to run into issues with the rail. Our expectation at Demopolis right now, the Corps of Engineers has been down there, looked at the problem. They're estimating may start up in Demopolis. I don't know if that's reasonable or not, but we're making sure that we have options to get our coal to market otherwise. In terms of The increased cost that we were talking about, if we're talking about CFR, it's just with the potential additional distances coal has to travel, transportation costs are just up, and it's also with the issues in the Red Sea, it's caused freight costs to go up considerably.

Appreciate that, Walt. And then maybe sticking with the cost for a second, again, just mentioned, obviously, that the $125 to $135 cost-return guidance for the year includes some of that additional labor. Just curious, is there a met price or met price range that you guys are assuming in that full-year cost guidance range?

Yeah, we're around between $250 to $60 gross index, PLV index.

Very helpful, Dale. I appreciate that. And then maybe just one more, kind of going back to the capture rate, and you guys did a good idea. You guys did a great job kind of explaining the shifts you've seen, you know, contract to spot, you know, back to maybe a normal higher level of contract cold this year versus 23. Also talked about, obviously, the high vol A shift at line four. But with the increase in Pacific Basin sales you guys called out versus typical Atlantic markets, you know, how should we think about and your capture rate going forward as, you know, the last few quarters has lagged and been, you know, below your kind of historical level, let's call it 90% plus or minus?

Yeah, I think, Nathan, you know, it's a little hard to predict just given all the different things that are happening. But, you know, what we're targeting is call it an 85% to 90% of the POV index. If to do something simple because obviously with mindful or pricing at all these other indices You get a you get a different result and it doesn't price off the PLV anymore so you know and that's been Exacerbated by those price relativities and we talked about earlier, you know where they were closer to the 90s mid 90s now they were more like in the 80s this past year and So some of that has been the demand imbalances, some of the supply issues, but we think those relativities will come back. It just might take a little time, but think of it as 85 to 90 when we try to maximize our margins like we did in the fourth quarter where we increased our margins 63% from Q3.

Not a deal. Appreciate that. I'll leave it there. Best of luck to you guys in 2024. Thank you. Thanks.

Our next question comes from Chris Lafamna with Jefferies.

Hey, thanks, guys. Thanks for taking my question. So I wanted to ask about my number seven, but first on the CapEx profile. So if we have a billion dollars of total CapEx for Blue Creek, based on your 2024 guidance, by the end of this year, you'll have spent a little more than $700 million. Does that mean $300 million more in 2025, and then in addition to kind of, you know, general sustaining CapEx, we're looking at a 2025 CapEx budget of between $400 and $500 million? Is that roughly correct?

That's probably a little aggressive in 2025. I think you'll have some of that spending will play out in 2026 in completion of the project. But, you know, you're right, we'll be up over $700 million by year end, and probably north of 200 million or so next year and finishing up in 26.

And is there a reason why you haven't explicitly changed the capex guidance for Blue Creek? You know, you've talked about the 25% inflation, but you haven't actually formally adjusted the numbers. Are you working on specific contracts around that, or are there other reasons why you might not have formally changed that number yet?

Well, that is the number pretty much, Chris. So, I mean, that's the math. But there are, gosh, just dozens of contracts that are yet to be signed to finish grading work and all kinds of different things. I mean, we're only just barely two and a half years into this thing. So we've got a long way to go and, you know, there's hundreds of contracts on this thing. So right now we're just, that's the trend and that's where we're headed.

And I think that's based on a current expectation in terms of inflation. And I think one of the reasons we haven't given a real update is because We can't determine exactly what the inflationary pressures will be, so we've kind of left that. We recognize that could change in either direction right now.

Understood. So my question on my number seven. So at what point does the depletion of reserves there start to impact your production volume and unit costs? You have, what, seven or eight more years of production there? Is it later this decade? where you start to see kind of more cost pressures there and potentially lower volumes as a result of depletion? Or is it possible to even extend the life beyond that time frame?

Yeah, our life actually, what we have right now is just in reserves. We're probably at 13 years, I believe it is, and then resources goes beyond that. And we continue to look at what we have and what we can get to continue the – the total reserve for that coal mine.

Okay, great. Thank you very much. Good luck.

As a reminder, to ask a question, press star, then 1. Our next question comes from Lucas Pipes with B Reilly Securities.

Thank you very much, operator. Thank you for the follow-up question. I wanted to ask kind of on capital returns and how you think about that. Why not maybe do a little bit on the buyback side versus a special would be kind of interested in how you think about that. Thank you.

Yeah, Lucas, really nothing's changed there. Capital allocation priority is Blue Creek. And to the extent we have excess cash, we'll continue to do it in the manner we have. I don't see that changing until Blue Creek is up and running at the earliest. Again, we have significant state NOLs. And all the rules and restrictions that I've talked about for the last seven years still apply to those rules to the state NOLs. And we have about $900 million of state NOLs left. So, you know, we still got plenty of runway on some of these NOLs to utilize them. So, you know, again, right now, Blue Creek is the focus to the extent we have a little extra cash. You know, we'll spend that, and most likely it will be in more like specials until, you know, we get further along with Blue Creek.

That's very helpful, and Dale, just to make sure I understood you right, you have about $900 million of state NOLs, and at the current level of profitability, call it Q4, how long would you expect those NOLs to kind of last?

Well, that's, that's the $64,000 question there, Lucas, depends on what prices are, you know, and profitability over the next several years. So, I mean, those, those NLLs go out until like 2034, something like that's when they start expiring. So, uh, you know, they, they have a long life on them right now, but if we have more profitable years, like the last two years, you know, we'll burn through them really fast, uh, potentially. with Blue Crate up and running.

Gotcha. And so in terms of like when I think about call it 2024 cash flow impact from the NOLs, like what is the kind of net impact on your effective tax rate? Like how much cash benefit are you seeing from the NOLs this year 2024 versus not having them?

Well, I mean, the benefit is basically what your state tax rate is, 5%, 6%. So that's your benefit on the state side.

Got it. Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you. Thank you for that. And then maybe just one quick follow-up on the Blue Creek CAPEX front. You mentioned earlier that a lot of things are kind of still to be finalized. you have that range out of 25 to 30%. What gives you the confidence in that number, given that you still have to finalize contractors and such, would appreciate the additional color. Thank you.

Yeah, I think if you go out there and look at any construction index, you'll see that labor, supplies, and materials have pretty much been averaging that, and that's what's stuck in this sector. It's easy to read the Wall Street Journal and say, well, it's come down to 3.4%. Well, that's has nothing to do with the mining sector where there's been a tremendous increase in labor and supplies of materials. We've talked about it over the last three years, just quarter after quarter of the inflation in this sector. Don't see that changing. It's possible that we go through a period where there's a little less inflation or there's a little more. We just can't predict it at this point. Halfway into this thing, barely, and we've still got a lot of runway to go. This is not a handful of fixed-price contracts. That's just not the way these contracts are developed. No contractor is going to sit there and say, well, I'm going to fix my steel prices at X, and then they go wildly higher, and he's just not going to do that. So you have those pass-throughs. And we try to limit that and work with them on those contracts. But there's just a whole lot of things going on here to manage a project of this size. And quite frankly, it'd be kind of unwise of us to go say, well, it's going to be $968,538,000. I mean, if anybody can predict that, then you're a little bit of a fool. Yeah, I think you've got to be reasonable as to what can happen over the next two and a half, three years, and know that there's going to be some changes. But to the extent there is an update, we'll give people an update. But we said, look, there is no update at this point. That's the trend, and that trend continues.

Well noted. I appreciate that. And maybe just to put a bow on it, with all of that, you feel 25% to 35% is the right range.

For now, yes.

All right. Well, I appreciate it. Good luck. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

At this time, there are no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Scheller for any closing comments.

That concludes our call this afternoon. Thank you again for joining us today, and we appreciate your interest in Warrior.

Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.