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Good day and welcome to the Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc. Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call-in Webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I will now like to turn the conference cover to Susan Spivak of Invest Relations. The floor is yours, ma'am.

Thank you and good morning and thank you for joining us today for our call-in webcast on Third Quarter 2019 earnings. We reported our results yesterday afternoon and posted all the earnings-related materials, including the 10Q on our website. For the call today, our speakers are Chris Swift, Chairman and CEO of The Hartford, Doug Elliott, President, and Beth Costello, Chief Financial Officer. Following their prepared remarks, we will have a Q&A period. Just a final few comments before Chris begins. Today's call includes forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and actual results could be materially different. We do not assume any obligation to update information or forward-looking statements provided on this call. Investors should also consider the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from these statements. A detailed description of those risks and uncertainties can be found in our SEC filing. Our commentary today includes non-GAP financial measures. Explanations and reconciliations of these measures to the comparable GAP measure are included in our SEC filing as well as in the news release and financial supplement. Finally, please note that no portion of this conference call may be reproduced or rebroadcast in any form without The Hartford's prior written consent. Replays of this webcast and an official transcript will be available on The Hartford's website for one year. I'll now turn the call over to Chris.

Good morning and thank you for joining us today. The Hartford had an excellent quarter with strong financial results across all our business lines. Third quarter core earnings rose 31% over prior year to $548 million or $1.50 per diluted share with lower catastrophe losses and continued solid investment results. Our businesses are performing very well. Book value per diluted share excluding AOCI was up 8% to $42.55 from year end. The consolidated 12-month core earnings ROE was 12.3%, an impressive result in the current market environment. The strong execution of our strategy is demonstrated by our consistent operating performance quarter to quarter, delivering on key integration milestones and continuing to invest in our business to enhance customer experience and efficiency. Doug and Beth will cover results in more detail, but I wanted to touch briefly on a few items. Commercial lines highlights in the third quarter include core earnings of $303 million up 14% over prior year, solid top line growth with and without navigators, and a renewal pricing rate acceleration compared to the first half of the year. When we announced the acquisition of navigators more than a year ago, an important part of our strategy was to broaden our underwriting and product capabilities as a global specialty player. An added benefit was the expansion of our distribution relationships into the wholesale channel to serve more risk needs of customers. Nearly six months have passed since we've closed the navigators transaction. The progress to date is on track and I am very pleased with the collaboration amongst the teams and the positive reception from distribution partners. Our book is benefiting from the strong pricing tailwinds in the market, providing the opportunity to restore certain product lines within global specialty to targeted financial returns. Personal lines core earnings were $87 million up 85%, benefiting from lower catastrophe losses and favorable prior year development. While up slightly from prior year, the underlying combined ratio of 92.3 for personal lines was a strong result. Our primary focus in this business has been returning to growth, with new business up 34% in the quarter. Overall net favorable reserve development for property and casualty was $47 million in the quarter. There were both favorable and unfavorable development in various lines. Our experienced actuarial and claims teams have demonstrated the ability to identify emerging trends within our data, which is used to update our estimates each quarter. Overall, I am confident in our loss reserve estimates. Group benefits delivered another excellent quarter with core earnings of $141 million up 38%. The increase versus prior year was driven by favorable loss ratio, higher net investment income and lower amortization of intangibles. This was partially offset by increased investments in technology, claims management and higher commissions related to our voluntary products. The total loss ratio improved 4.4 points, driven by favorable disability results, partially offset by a deterioration in the life loss ratio. The improvement in the disability continues to come from favorable incidents trends. Results also benefited from updates to our claim recovery assumptions and the recognition of an experienced refund related to New York paid family leave product for accident year 2018. In Group Life, severity was elevated in the quarter. However, we don't see any consistent trend other than normal volatility. On the top line, fully insured ongoing premiums were just off slightly versus prior year. Persistency is running slightly below historical trends as we adjust pricing on targeted segments of the Aetna book. Importantly, earned premium on the Aetna book of business is in line with our deal assumptions and conversions of cases continues to go very well from both a platform and pricing perspective. Overall, we are very pleased with the operational execution and financial performance of group benefits. Before I turn the call over to Doug, I wanted to make a few comments on the macro environment. The property and casualty industry is facing a number of challenges that have been well documented. Net investment income is under pressure in what is likely a prolonged period of low interest rates affecting new money and overall portfolio yields. The frequency of severe weather related storms as well as other catastrophic events such as wildfires are elevated, pressuring rates to keep up with cat trends. Social inflation related to larger claim settlements continue to put pressure on loss cost trends. However, social inflation is not a new phenomenon. We have been monitoring these trends for years, taking the appropriate actions to ensure our pricing models in underwriting reflect these realities. To conclude, with one quarter left in the year, our experience through the first nine months is generally consistent with the outlook we provided with no major surprises. The successful integration and execution of our two recent transactions, strong financial results and capital management demonstrate our strategy is working. It is an exciting time at the Hartford for all our stakeholders, customers, employees, distribution partners and shareholders. I am confident in our ability to produce consistent results contributing to shareholder value creation. Now I'll turn the call over to Doug.

Thank you Chris and good morning everyone. The Hartford's property and casualty results for the quarter were strong. Topline growth was fueled by the navigator's acquisition, while underlying organic growth in commercial lines was a solid 4%. In personal lines, new business growth is up significantly from third quarter 2018, but has moderated from earlier in the year. We're pleased with the underlying returns across all of our property casualty businesses as each continues to execute effectively. It was a relatively benign quarter for catastrophes, as losses were well below third quarter 2018. Current year cat losses in the quarter totaled $106 million, $63 million less than a year ago. In aggregate, property and casualty reported favorable prior year development of $47 million this quarter. Improving severity trends across workers' compensation, small commercial's package business and personal lines auto all drove favorable reserve releases. Partially offsetting these releases was reserve strengthening in commercial auto liability and general liability driven by some large loss activity. As Chris has already mentioned, there's been a fair amount of commentary during the quarter regarding social inflation, and we're certainly not immune to these unfavorable torque trends. However, keep in mind, our Hartford book is made up primarily of smaller customers with lower limit profiles. In addition, the adverse development cover we purchased on the navigator's loss development provides another layer of protection. Over the past few years, while we've observed higher loss trends, we've also adjusted general liability and commercial auto reserves accordingly. At the same time, we've made underwriting and pricing adjustments to our book in response to these trends. We actively monitor these trends and will continue to take appropriate actions as necessary. Let me now shift into the results for our business segments. The underlying combined ratio for commercial lines, which excludes catastrophes and prior year development, was 93.9, deteriorating two-tenths of a point from last year, but a strong performance nonetheless. As expected, the navigator's book generated approximately one point of increase on the combined ratio. This was partially offset by favorable non-CAT property results. I'm encouraged by the pricing environment in the quarter. Our renewal written pricing in standard commercial lines was 2.8%, up 40 basis points sequentially from second quarter and up 90 basis points from prior year. This positive pricing change remains somewhat depressed by the current workers' compensation pricing environment. Middle market pricing, excluding workers' compensation, was .6% in the quarter, up 130 basis points from second quarter and up 180 basis points from the prior year. This strong improvement reflects the rate actions we're taking across our core lines. Given industry loss trends and operating performance in these non-workers' compensation lines, I expect this pricing trend to persist. Let's now take a look inside our commercial line business units. Small Commercial continued its excellent performance with an underlying combined ratio of 87.9. The margin improvement versus last year was driven primarily by lower non-CAT property losses and lower underwriting expenses. Written premium was flat to prior year due to renewal written pricing decreases in workers' compensation and the completion of the new business rollover from the foremost renewal rights transaction. Excluding foremost, new business premium growth was up a very strong 13% for the quarter, driven by workers' compensation and package business. We expect continued new business growth to come from the launch of our next generation package offering we call Spectrum. This is much more than just a new product release. With this modular policy and the enhanced platform that supports it, we've taken our industry-leading capabilities to a new level, making buying small business insurance easier than ever. A consumer buying small business insurance from the Hartford now receives tailored recommendations for their coverage or the ability to customize their own. Their agent is able to view real-time pricing much the same way an online retail shopper can see a running total of the costs of products placed in their cart. As of today, we're live in 32 states and will be in 45 by year end. We are already seeing increases in quotes and additional optional coverage selections. This game-changing product launch only adds to our excitement about our long-term prospects for growth in this segment. In middle and large commercial, the underlying combined ratio of 99.6 improved 1.6 points from 2018, driven primarily by lower non-cap property losses. Notably, inland marine losses, which were elevated in the second quarter, have moderated. Written premium was up 12% over last year, due in part to the addition of certain legacy navigator businesses within middle and large commercial. Ex-navigators' written premium was up 7%, with strong production in national accounts, large property and programs, as well as in verticals such as construction and energy. We're achieving rate increases across middle and large commercial. Our property and auto rate increases are up sequentially in the quarter over 100 basis points, with liability not far behind. In global specialty, the underlying combined ratio of 96.2 deteriorated 6.4 points, primarily the result of including the navigator's book this quarter. Since the acquisition, we've been aggressively re-underwriting and repricing portions of the navigator's book. In the third quarter, we achieved double-digit rate increases on both the navigator's US and international business, with significant rate acceleration during the quarter and since the first quarter of this year. In the US, we achieved strong underwriting results in our management and professional liability and surety lines. We're also pleased with both renewal pricing and new business generation from our wholesale distribution channel in the US. In international, we've taken significant actions to address two plus years of subpar returns in our Lloyd Syndicate and London Market portfolio. In addition to the aggressive pricing actions we're taking on this book, we've exited certain underperforming lines and reduced significantly the number of binders, MGA's and line slips across the portfolio. We've also materially reduced the overall limits deployed in several lines, including B&O, E&O and Casually. Our global specialty team is off to a terrific start. They're actively addressing opportunities in the book as well as taking advantage of favorable market conditions where appropriate. Integration efforts continue, including expertise sharing in data science, technology, product design, claim and many other areas. Executing across core risk functions will play an important role in improving the financial performance of this business. We fully expect global specialty to be a significant contributor to commercial premium growth as profit returns to target return levels. Moving to personal lines, the underlying combined ratio of 92.3 deteriorated 50 basis points from the third quarter of 2018, but still a very good overall result. The expense ratio increased nearly one point due to the impact of lower earned premium, while the loss ratio improved 40 basis points. The loss ratio improvement is reflected in both our auto and homeowner results, driven by earned pricing increases and non-CAT homeowners experience. New business growth was up 34% compared to prior year. This was another positive new business quarter as marketing spend and product adjustments continue to gain traction. In AARP Direct Auto, our critical production levers, including flow, close ratios and new sales, all improved compared to prior year. Importantly, we're pleased with the underlying profile of this growth and encouraged by the improving trends. Despite continued strong improvement in direct new business growth, total written premium was down 4%. Though we've made progress to improve the profitability of our AARP book, more work is needed on retention and new business to return to positive growth. In summary, this is a very strong quarter across our property and cashly businesses. We're executing effectively against our plans while responding to lost cost trends and competitive market dynamics. We're taking appropriate pricing actions and making disciplined underwriting decisions. This is driving clear progress in lines and accounts that need to improve overall profitability. Meanwhile, we remain extremely encouraged by the product breadth and depth of the underwriting talent that the navigators acquisition is contributing and we're already seeing the impact of these additions in our businesses and with our distribution partners. The positive progress on key milestones drive my bullish outlook on our future. I look forward to updating you all in another 90 days. Let me now turn the call over to Beth.

Thank you, Doug. Today I'm going to cover third quarter results for the investment portfolio, Hartford Funds and Corporate and provide an update on capital management. Our investment portfolio continues to perform very well with strong limited partnership returns and generally stable investment yields. Net investment income was $490 million for the quarter, up 46 million or 10% from the prior year. Excluding navigators, net investment income was $462 million or 4% higher than the prior year. The annualized limited partnership return was .3% in the quarter due to higher valuations on underlying funds. Lower interest rates and tighter credit spreads increased net unrealized gains on six maturities after tax to $1.8 billion at September 30th, up from $1.4 billion at June 30th. Unrealized and realized gains on equity securities, classified and realized capital gains in the income statement, were $19 million before tax in the quarter and $181 million before tax through September 30th. The credit performance of the investment portfolio remains very strong. Net impairments in the quarter totaled $1 million, flat with third quarter 2018. Given the increasing likelihood of sustained low interest rates, I wanted to touch on how we manage the portfolio in this environment and the impact of the portfolio yield due to lower rates. We have a broad range of investment capabilities and a well-diversified portfolio. Our strategy does not pursue lower credit quality for the purpose of making up for lower yields, and we will continue to invest in a diversified manner. For the quarter, our current yield before tax, excluding limited partnerships, was 3.6%, equating to $425 million. Taking into consideration potential lower reinvestment rates projected using the forward curve, we could see the portfolio yield, excluding limited partnerships, decline by close to 10 basis points in 2020, reducing the quarterly run rate of net investment income by approximately $10 million before tax. Turning to Harvard funds, core earnings of $39 million were down 5% from last year but up $1 million sequentially. Daily average AUM rose 2% from second quarter 2019, reflecting strong market performance partially offset by net outflows. Investment performance remains very strong. As of September 30, about 70% of Harvard funds outperformed peers on a one, three, and five year basis. Corporate core losses of $37 million improved by $8 million from third quarter 2018. The principal driver of the improvement this quarter was $11 million of income after tax from our retained equity interest in Talcott, compared to $1 million in third quarter 2018. During the quarter, we continued to repurchase shares. Year to date, through November 1, we have repurchased 2.2 million shares for $126 million. With strong capital generation and financial flexibility, we are pleased to be able to both invest in our businesses and return capital to shareholders. During the third quarter, we issued $1.4 billion of debt comprised of $600 million 10-year .8% senior notes and $800 million 30-year .6% senior notes. We used the proceeds to redeem approximately $1.65 billion of debt with a weighted average coupon of 5.3%. The redemption resulted in a loss on the extinguishment of debt of $90 million before tax. We continue to plan to repay our $500 million .5% senior notes maturing in March 2020, which will put us in line with our leverage targets. Book value per diluted share excluding AOCI was $42.55, up 8% year to date and 9% since September 30, 2018. Core earnings are a lead over the last 12 months with .3% well in excess of our cost of equity capital. A few other items to comment on before I close. We have included disclosure in the 10-Q about the potential for subrogation recoveries from PG&E related to losses incurred on certain 2017 and 2018 California wildfires. Given uncertainties with respect to approval of the PG&E bankruptcy plan, we have not recognized any subrogation recoveries to date. Based on subrogation claims submitted by all insurers to PG&E and the terms of the proposed settlement, which is contingent upon approval of the bankruptcy plan, we would expect gross subrogation recoveries to be approximately $325 million, although the actual amount we collect is subject to uncertainty. The first $116 million of any such subrogation recoveries would reduce reinsurance recoverables we have recorded under our CAT reinsurance treaties. Accordingly, any benefit to income would be for subrogation recoveries in excess of $116 million. Turning to fourth quarter, it has already been an active quarter for catastrophe-related events. Our budget for CAF in the fourth quarter is approximately $80 million pre-tax. Before considering any losses from the current California wildfires, we are approaching $80 million of catastrophe losses in the month of October, including losses from tornadoes in the Dallas area and other wind events. While it is still too early to make an estimate of losses we may incur from the current California wildfires, we are monitoring the fires closely in the areas we have insured properties and businesses at risk. As a reminder, in the fourth quarter, we will complete our annual study of asbestos and environmental reserves. Under the adverse development cover we purchased in 2016, we have $977 million of remaining coverage available for increases in these reserves. Also, we did not cede any additional net loss reserves in the third quarter to our adverse development cover for navigators, so we continue to have $209 million of coverage available on that book of business. To summarize, the execution of our strategy is generating strong results across our business lines. The integration of navigators is on track and we look forward to continuing to update you on our progress. I'll now turn the call over to Susan so we can begin the Q&A session. Thank you, Beth. We

have about 30 minutes for questions. Operator, can you please repeat the instructions for asking a question?

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Good morning. First off, Beth, I do appreciate the new kind of streamlined disclosure within the press release that was helpful this quarter. My first question for you is on capital. Just following up on some of your prepared remarks, it seems like you guys got the majority of the tax attributes you were expecting this year as of the end of the third quarter, just looking at the 10Q disclosure. So I just wanted to walk through that and get a sense of share repurchases for the fourth quarter. And then for next year on the capital side, could you just give us a sense of the dividends you could upstream from the PNC subs in 2020 and also if there's any change in the tax attribute you expect as well?

Sure. So first of all, thank you for the comment on the press release. I'm glad that you like the new format. So as it relates to holding company cash, I would say overall we're on track with what we expected at the beginning of the year. Yes, the timing of the tax benefit we received from our AMT refund did come in a little bit earlier than we anticipated, but we were anticipating that this year. So we took all of that into consideration as we have projected sort of our view of share repurchases over the course of this year and into next year. And we continue to target for this year about a total of 200 million in share repurchases and then the remainder of our billion dollar authorization would be used in 2020. As it relates to then dividend streams as we go into 2020, again as a reminder, we did not take any net dividends from P&C in 2019, but we do anticipate going back to our normal cadence in 2020. You know, as we've talked about in the past, we see dividends sort of in the $850 to $900 million range. You know, obviously we'll depend on actual results. From our group benefits business, we're typically in the 3 to 350 range. Obviously, results in group benefits have been very strong. So we've seen some increases in those dividends, you know, through the years. And then mutual funds usually is in the hundreds, $125 million. And then we do still have some remaining tax benefits that we'd expect to receive in 2020. So when we look at 2019, we're probably a little bit over $700 million in tax benefits that will come through. And as we look to 2020, we'd be just slightly under $600 million. So again, very much in line with what we have laid out previously. And then again, I'll just remind you, as I said in my prepared remarks, we do still anticipate paying our maturing debt of $500 million in March of 2020.

Thanks. That's very helpful. And then my second question, you know, if we want to kind of keep track of how Navigators is trending, you guys, you know, highlighted some earnings projections for that business, you know, going a couple years out. So just trying to get a sense, can you, you know, kind of set the stage or give us a sense how much earnings came through in the quarter? Or is the best way for us just to really look at the global specialty margin to get a sense of, you know, how Navigators is tracking?

Elise, thank you for your question. I would say what we've commented upon in the past as far as our goals related to, you know, the financial performance of Navigators are really unchanged. I think we did say that, you know, the slope of it might be slightly different. The components might be, you know, slightly different. But we still see a path, you know, to earning, you know, $200 million of core earnings prior to amortization of intangibles in that, you know, four- to five-year period of time. And still excited. Obviously, there's a lot of rate being, you know, taken in the specialty space broadly defined. But Doug, that's what I would say over the long term. But what would you say in the near term? Just

to add that this quarter we made very few adjustments to the prior Navigators loss ratios across their lines either prior year or in the current action year. We tweaked auto liability slightly in the quarter. But other than that, Beth, it was a pretty quiet quarter relative to actuarial assumptions.

Okay. And then can you give us a sense of the rate that you're getting just within their book of business?

Yeah. I mentioned in my commentary at least that it was double digits. And, you know, in the quarter, essentially the U.S. book was right on top of 10. Internationally, they were getting closer to 16. And when you put the two together, we were talking, you know, 12ish, 11 to 12 points of price. I also said that it was accelerating in the quarter. So we're quite pleased about that as you think about the run rate July through September. And an early peak of October keeps me optimistic. October looks a lot like September. So I think we're off to a really good start. I'm very pleased with progress. I know Vince's team working hard to change the outcomes here.

Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate the color.

Next, we have Paul Nism of Sandler O'Neill.

Good morning. Thanks for the call. I was hoping you could weigh in a little bit more on some of the auto trends that we've seen at other companies. Both the commercial auto trend and the severity and frequency seems to be a little bit different by company and kind of how you vary that. What are your experiences have and, you know, so what are your things behind it? And then, you know, sort of second question, flip over to the private passenger and ask kind of the same questions about frequency and severity. You know, all states saw a little bit of a spike in their frequency for physical damage and I don't know if you've seen the same thing. But anyway, those are essentially my two questions.

And Paul, let me just clarify, personal and commercial? Both? Okay. Let's start with personal. We continue to be pleased by the trends we see in our personal lines auto book. Frequency has been in good shape for several quarters now and severity. We're mindful of collision severity, but essentially our loss trends are within our expectations and feel good about progress and overall performance of the personal lines auto line. In commercial, bit of a different story in the sense that, you know, our small commercial book, much smaller vehicle. We've been working right now for five to six years. We have transformed that book. We're essentially not a monoline player except in certain circumstances. Improvement there, but more improvement necessary in the commercial auto small commercial space. In the middle, again, this is not a specialty auto sector. This is essentially commercial auto fleets attached to our middle market accounts. We've been working on that slightly heavier than small commercial. We also have been chasing rate here over the last six to seven years. We've made progress, but not at all acceptable relative to our operating performance in the line today. We continue to make underwriting adjustments. We'll continue to work hard on rate. Very pleased that our rate was up over 10 points in Q3 and auto. We'll continue to work at that in Q4 and into 2020. When I think about loss trend, you know, they look to us like they're in the mid single digits, maybe plus a little bit in that five to six, six and a half range commercial auto. We're mindful of that, which means our pricing needs to be on top of that plus some to make appreciable progress in combined ratio. Chris or Beth, anything?

Do you have any particular theory about the commercial business that might be different from other folks about why we're seeing this severity trend and whether or not it's declared?

I would just offer that our book of business on the commercial side, XNAB, is largely primary auto. So we're not a significant player in the excess space. I do think the excess layers have had some pressure over the past, you know, three, four years. Navigators has, especially AutoBook. We're very mindful of that. We're working closely with them, sharing our trends, working actuarial assumptions, et cetera, and taking quite a bit of rate there. So our rate change in the Navigator AutoBook is substantial. But I don't have any greater insight because I don't have insight into other competitive books like I do our own.

Okay, congratulations to the quarter. Thank you.

Thanks, Paul.

Next we have Brian Meredith of UBS. Yeah, thanks. A couple

quick ones here. I'm just curious, in the commercial line segment, the expense ratio declined year over year, only around 17% growth in G&A expenses. I was expecting to be a little bit higher than that. Was there anything unusual there? Is that a decent run rate with respect to kind of G&A expense growth and what we're seeing with the expense ratio?

Yeah, good question, Brian. And there are some things happening in both Q2 and Q3 that make that compare a little bit challenging. So let me do my best to unpack it. In Q3 quarter, we actually had some credits that ran through from taxes, licenses, and fees, and also some bad debt credits. And when you kind of laser them in, you basically get a quarterly expense ratio more like 34.5. In Q2, we had some one-timers that put some upward pressure on the expense. And I'd also point out to you, you know, as the Navigator's book comes into our expense ratios, as a typical specialty company sometimes has, they've got slightly higher expense base. So between the U.S. and certainly the international, there's a little bit of inflation on the expense coming in from Nav that we will work our way through over the next couple of years as we earn our way toward those profit targets we've talked about. So I look at the run rate, Q3, more in the 34.5 range. I think that's kind of where we'll be Q4 as I look out. Great, thanks. And then my

second question, in the small commercial area, you talked about how it's a little bit more insulated from the social inflation environment given the limits profile of that business. I'm curious, have you seen any increasing competition in that area as a result of what's going on in the lost cost inflation environment?

Brian, as Doug, he'll respond too. I would say, again, across many of our businesses, you know, there is always competitive pressure. There's new entrants, there's FinTech related or InsureTech related activities, but I wouldn't say it's rapidly changing in a more competitive environment where everyone is piecing together. I would say, and you've heard us talk about this before, we have a 30-year history here with a lot of data, a lot of capabilities, a lot of deep, trusted agent relationships that does provide an element of advantage to us. But we're really tuned in on the emerging trends and our own mindset of what do we need to do to continue to get better every day? What do we need to do to continue to differentiate ourselves as one of the top go-to markets? So that's our mindset. Doug, if you would add anything?

So maybe just a couple of comments about our new spectrum and then comments on what we've been working on the last couple of years. So very excited, Brian, about this launch of NextGen Spectrum. We've been kind of in the design and building stage for a couple of years now and I think it's going to be a terrific product in the market, much in the way the digital experiences that we're all used to and are personalized. Because of that launch, we've been laser-focused these last couple of years to get our rate adequacies on our Spectrum product where they need to be because it's very difficult if you're a profit challenge in the current line and then go to launch a new product. So as we think about lost trends over these last couple of years, we've continued to make sure we're on top of those trends with pricing. We see liability trends in that Spectrum area still in the mid-single digits and our pricing has been matching that over time and we feel good about our balance sheet in terms of the reserves that are recorded on our ledger. So yes, we've been very focused on lost trends here. I think good progress and now exciting that we launched our new effort into the latter half of 2019 into 2020. Great.

Thank you.

Next, we have Jimmy Bullar of JP Morgan.

Hi, good morning. I have a couple of questions for Doug. First, on commercial lines, how do you think about your ability to take advantage of improving pricing in the overall market especially given that you've got a big exposure to workers' comp where prices are actually obviously under pressure?

Well, we're optimistic that our non-workers' compensation pricing continues to improve. As I suggested, that certainly was the case in Q3 and I expect that to continue into Q4. Yes, we recognize we have some headwinds on the workers' comp environment. I would again point out the profitability of those books is excellent, particularly small commercial. So we're mindful of those headwinds and navigating in the middle account by account and being thoughtful about class selection and state and geography in small commercial. So yeah, it is a tale of two where we're working hard to improve our core pricing while we understand there's a very competitive workers' comp dynamic that matters greatly to us.

And then on personal lines, I think you would hope that at some point over the next few quarters you'll start to see stabilizing premiums and maybe an improvement in premiums. But it seems like more and more companies are sort of shifting their focus from reviving margins to accelerating growth. So just comments on competition, whether it's still rational and your expectation of when you can sort of get to flat to positive premium growth in that market.

Jimmy, obviously we're not going to give any guidance or specific drivers, but the overall focus is both Doug and I have comments on has been growth orientation but you are right. I mean it's a dynamic marketplace just because we want to grow and there's a lot of other competitors that are shifting to that same mindset. So the trick in that environment, at least in my judgment, is you've got to remain disciplined. You've got to again segment appropriately your new business by states or territories that make sense for you compared to where your pricing is. The team is executing very well. We're getting the responses, just not converting as many new business opportunities as feasible. But Doug, that's what I would say.

Yeah, I agree, Chris. And I think we lay out in the supplement, you can see we've made very good progress on the retention front. I still think there's a little more work to be done there and I think there's a little bit more left. And then absolutely we are focused on adjusting and thinking carefully about what we do on the new business front because we want to raise those levels of new business successes.

Okay, thank you.

Next we have Ryan Tumis of Autonomous Research.

Hey, thanks. Good morning. First question for Doug on, I guess keeping it here on commercial auto and just thinking about, you know, it seems like over the past half decade we've been talking about commercial auto reserve development and it feels like we've been talking about it probably more at Hartford than a lot of competitors. Maybe not so much over the past year, but I'd just be curious to maybe hear your thoughts on the extent to which maybe you feel like you got ahead of some of these trends maybe in 2015, 2016 and 2017. And to the extent that you're seeing something new, what is new in this 2019 environment that you potentially had a reserve for contemplated prior to this?

Ryan, thanks. Let's just start on the quarter and then I do want to comment because I think you're onto something relative to the prior trend. So in this quarter we made an adjustment to our prior year development based on some large losses we had seen in our national account book. So it's largely national accounts. I would say almost all national accounts, 80% of the change is national accounts. And it's something that we had not adjusted in the last several years. So really exclusively our national book. If you go back over five to six years, correctly stated, we have been adjusting auto. I would say back in the 12-13 time period we had a broader specialty auto book transportation vehicles that caused some of the adjustment and actually raised our attention to this commercial auto dynamic that we've been working hard on for five or six years. So I would agree with you. If you've looked at what we've done in the commercial auto space and our current action year underwriting and pricing, this has been an ongoing work in process for us. We did some tuning in the quarter. For more importantly, we continue to leverage the findings in our book of business to do the best job we can at underwriting a profitability book going forward and we're sharing them with navigators as we come together.

Perfect. And then maybe for Chris, just on group benefits, I'm seeing some very favorable trends there and I guess what surprises a P&C analyst is how well pricing seems to hold up. So I'm curious, in your view, how does the pricing cycle kind of work for group benefits? Are you seeing more competition there? What insulates group benefits from seeing some of the same trends we've seen in Work with Comp over the next couple of years?

Sure, Ryan. I would say, yeah, we are performing very well. As I said in my commentary, I think we provided enough data to say that there were a couple one-timers in this quarter. So I look at it that the quarter was roughly more in line with that 120 million earnings and an 8% margin. But clearly above our long-term views that we've guided to, which is still 6 to 7. I think the thing that you just have to keep in mind is a lot of the results that are emerging today are based on pricing and commitments we've made two, three years ago that are just outperforming. So unlike P&C, we generally make three-year rate guarantees. We're very thoughtful and disciplined in making those three-year rate guarantees because that's the commitment. So we're just outperforming the expectations both on incidences and recoveries that is contributing to that current outperformance. So hopefully

that helps you. It does, thanks.

Next we have David Marty-Mason of Evercore.

Hi, thanks. Good morning. Just a question for Doug. You guys made two reserves in GL. And also just talk about what you're assuming on severity going forward in your loss picks and what sort of rate you're seeking in the market right now.

That was a multiple component question, so let me do my best to work our way through. In other liabilities, general liability, we made some tweaks really across years, across businesses, I would say a series of small tweaks, a couple in the product area, a couple umbrellas, etc., nothing significant in any one pocket, but largely across our middle market book of business. Construction included and a little bit of our specialty general liability book. So that really is the basis for the tweaking we did in the quarter for general liability. In a broader sense, we think about loss trends, overall our loss trends are somewhere in that mid-single digit range when you combine all our lines, and I'm thinking primarily about auto liability and GL, which are the two lines that really form the basis for most of your questions. They may move a bit between small and middle and some of our specialty lines with the specialty global specialty book, but we're talking about trying to be on top of mid-single digit trends, and now our pricing across various lines is either on top of, slightly advancing on, or appreciably on top of, in the case of some of our specialty excess areas. So, I share with you, we're really pleased about some of these specialty areas that we've had substantial movement in pricing, double digit moves in pricing, where I feel like we're going to see the benefits of that kind of work into our book in 2020 and beyond.

Got it, great, thanks. And a question for, just for Chris on the group business and Topline specifically, sales were down a decent amount year over year, just sort of wondering what you're seeing competitively, and also more specifically what your outlook would be for Topline earned premium growth here over the next few years, as Aetna is more fully integrated.

Sure, David. I would say, I was trying to explain that, I mean, it is still a competitive environment out there, but there's still an element of rationality that I see most of our competitors exhibiting. You might have an account or two, or a new business opportunity where someone does something more aggressive, but generally competitive, but balanced. I would say that the year over year numbers that you're looking at does look down, but really when you adjust for the New York family paid leave, product that launched in 2018, you really have sort of a $40 million delta between year to date 2019 compared to year to date 2018. So really you can consider it slightly down to, you know, to flatish. So again, I think we're still performing at a high level from our sales side. We do still get some contribution to sales in that -$50 million range from Aetna's medical staff that is still referring business and jointly selling. So we feel good about the overall sales performance. As I said in my opening comments, premiums are slightly down 1% on an earned basis, primarily due to just higher lapses, lower persistency on the Aetna book as we are taking targeted actions. It's a reprice of those books. So everything is according to plan, but as we look forward, I still see modest growth in top line for group benefits really supported by some of our ancillary lines anchored in the ANH and voluntary.

Great. Thanks for the answers.

Next we have Mike Zyrowski of Credit Suisse.

Hey, good morning. I wouldn't mind maybe trying to get more color on next-gen spectrum in terms of maybe you could isolate what the major changes are. Is it easier for your business owners to self-service? I'm just curious, is there a direct selling component to potentially for small businesses? And then also is there ultimately to measure the success you expect sales to accelerate or better profitability? Any more color would be great since it seems like it's a big deal.

Good question, Mike, and thank you for asking it. I'd start by saying yes, this is a sales tool that essentially will sit on the desktop of our CSRs, customer service reps around the country and all the agents and brokers we do business with. It's a tool that will allow them to be faster, more insightful, and help their customers make choices. I would say inside the tool you should think about good, better, best type dynamics. All the coverage is very tuned to what a certain customer or SIC class would require, what types of optional coverages are there, etc. So I think it's a -in-class selling tool with advice that either comes out of the blocks with a terrific offer for a customer or offers additional coverages that a CSR will work with a potential customer to purchase. So that is the basis of this exciting innovation for us. And then secondly, we do expect over time our new sales and expect them to lift. It's hard to predict, but our expectations over the next couple of years is that we'll see some change in our new business sales and we'll watch that carefully and report on that as we go through time.

Okay, that's helpful. Lastly, if we step back and kind of talk about in a broader sense about commercial pricing versus loss cost trend, is it fair to say that if there is a gap, it hasn't changed much quarter over quarter taking into account workers comp? So it sounds like there haven't been any meaningful, notable changes over the last quarter.

And is your question more in the loss trend area or the pricing area?

It's kind of both. It seems like pricing is moving north and trend might be moving a little bit north. So net-net kind of similar to last quarter.

I would agree with your statement in the aggregate and then I think we'd have to parse it apart by specialty, by excess, by primary, financial lines, spectrum, etc. So in the aggregate, yes, we see lifting and pricing across middle, non-workers comp. As we've examined our loss trends, I would say largely in the primary space, pretty consistent with Q2. Yeah, maybe we are a little careful to make sure we're catching some uptick in the social inflation dynamic, but I don't think material in any given way. And then in the specialty book, we're spending a lot of time inside our excess, our umbrella, our specialty areas, and we're mindful of where trends are, expecting a little bit of upward lift in those trends, and therefore our pricing is being pretty aggressive there. So please with progress on both fronts, but I think you have it about right.

Thank you very much.

Next we have Ahmed Kumar of Buckingham Research.

Thanks and good morning. Two quick follow-ups, maybe going back to Mike's question on rate versus loss trends. So if you blend I guess all the moving parts and look at small commercial, as we head into 2020, is your sense that the loss trend will end up running hotter than what we expected, hence the rate versus loss trend metric does not expand or is it more a function of the book?

So let me start and Beth and Chris can go to the top. We're not prepared today to take into 2020 yet. What I am very pleased about is if you look at our metrics and our XX combines across commercial, and you see them for our segments, I think we've done a nice job at dealing with loss trend, getting improving rate performance, and across both our most profitable segment, which is small commercial, kind of holding in margins that are terrific, and we're mindful that we need to make more meaningful change in the middle and large commercial areas. So I look at an all-in Q3 number on top of Q2 and feel pretty good about it. And as I mentioned in my earlier commentary, we know there was a little bit of upward pressure from the NAV book coming in. We'll work our way through that and at some point that will be a positive because we'll start turning the tide on that number as we move into 2020.

And Chris or anyone else has to add something for that?

Again, I think Doug is accurate as always. I think the everything is sort of more granular these days, whether it be states, products, accounts. So when you add it all up, I think what Doug says makes perfect sense. My particular point of view is that this could be a dynamic environment for the next couple years for sure. I don't think you're realistic, at least in my expectation, that 15 points of rate and a specialty book in aggregate is going to get you back to target every time. And I think that's going to be a big part of the return. As I said, particularly as it relates to Navigators, we're taking a multiple-year journey to get to targeted earnings and returns. And I think a lot of others are going to be in that same position where just one year of feeling good about high single digit or low double digit rates in certain lines, primarily specialty, isn't going to cut it. And it's going to require a

lot of work. Another question is on the last call. I guess we had fine-tuned Navigators a bit. And Chris, on that call you had said 110-ish was sort of the number for 2020. Are we still in the ballpark or based on what has evolved, are we somewhere in the middle or not?

Yeah, obviously I'm not going to give you any really specific details. But the ranges that we put out, I still think they're valid. As I said, I'd anchor in the low end of that range. And I'm not changing our views right now at this point in time.

Got it. Thanks for the answers and the congrats on the print.

Next we have Gary Ransom of Dowling and Partners. Good

morning. Yes, most of my questions have been answered, but I did want to follow up on the new spectrum policy. And I wondered specifically whether the, you know, there's a lot of new things going on with other competitors in their own system. Can you actually detect when someone else has something and a new strong offering and see a little bit of lowering of your quote volume? Then you put something out, you see a little bit of higher. And if you do, does that last for a while? Does that have some duration? I'm just trying to get a sense of the growth components and how this might play out.

Thanks, Gary. We do watch all those statistics carefully. So we're able to watch quote volume. We're able to watch yield. So the number of hits or successful quotes against total quotes. I would say relative to competitors rollout, you know, we watch what they put out publicly. And normally there's a little bit of a buzz or discussion about, you know, enhancements or innovations in the marketplace. I'm sure very similar to what's being done with our next generation spectrum offering right now. I think that's the easier way to find out about things, but we study the numbers. We're mindful of even the statistics I quoted in my script, right? We're watching optional purchase, optional coverage purchases right now. We're watching number of quotes and we have an expected trajectory that we expect to see over the next three or four quarters. And so we'll be right on top of that.

Is this something that will roll out to all the renewals or is this just something for new business?

Yeah, we're quoting new business right now. As I said, we're in mid-30s states and by year and we expect to be essentially 45 and then we'll deal with the last couple of states next year. But new business, thank Gary, today.

Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you.

The next question we have will come from Yaron Canar of Goldman

Hi. Good morning, everybody. I want to start with one on the reserve development in commercial lines and then speaking of another one on group benefits. So with reserve development, I think in recent years we've seen initial loss picks in both general liability and commercial auto come in a bit below most recent picks for our prior years. Can you maybe talk about that dynamic and how comfortable you are with your picks for the more recent years considering the fact that you have an increase in the initial loss picks there and is it just pricing that you've achieved that's offset some of the weaker picks in prior years?

Let me start and then Beth can work over the top. I would say over the past six plus years we've been working on both pricing and underwriting. So we've been adjusting our offerings across the marketplace in classes, monoline, grouped with other accounts, etc. So multiple different options that we've been working. In general, I would agree with you that we have been light on our accident picks at 12 months, which is the reason that if you look at our trend line, we've made adjustments to those prior year picks over the last six, seven years and I think we are closing that in our supplement. The disappointment is that loss trend obviously has been higher than we expected and we didn't get the punch that we expected on the underwriting side. So we are doubling down now. I think we continue to make progress. Again, I'd separate some of this discussion by class of vehicle whether we are talking small commercial with primarily private passenger in light vans or middle market with some heavier or the specialty area. I think that our success or lack thereof is not very different in the overall marketplace, but what we've tried to do is when we see something in the book, we've addressed it both on our reserve levels and also on the underwriting end and that's why I don't think there's anything new here. We just need to dive even harder. Beth?

I think that summarizes it very well, Doug.

Okay, thanks. And then on the group benefit side, is the experience in the trends and recoveries that you've seen for recent ventures, do you expect that to continue? Is that baked into your estimates today or do you expect some reversion back to me?

I would say, Yarn, that obviously we update our statistics and views periodically. That's what we did this quarter. So that reflects our best views of trends going forward that in essence we price product on and book reserves on. So it is our best thinking from here. Now, we've always talked about it. Changes in incidents and or recoveries is somewhat employment-centric related. So as long as we don't have any big shocks into the system, I would expect our estimates here to hold. But as I said, it's a dynamic world out there and

when

things change, we just have to re-evaluate our assumptions and we would change accordingly.

Got it. Thanks so much and thanks for still thinking me.

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