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per day did trend higher, and we will comment on that further. Looking ahead to the next quarter, our guidance suggests our margins will be flat to up slightly. Our ability to drive consistent and reliable value for customers through operations and technology solutions ultimately determines market share over the long term. The adoption of performance-based contracts increased to 52% in the fourth quarter from 41% a year ago. These contracts deploy H&P's suite of technology solutions that help to drive strong performance and greater reliability. Drilling services make up only a small portion of the overall cost of a well, but rig performance can have an outsized influence on the ultimate economics of the project. Identifying, measuring, and then consistently delivering solutions and technologies to improve efficiency and drilling outcomes creates a win-win for both H&P and our customers improving the financial returns for both as well. An important element within our contract economics are the operational costs involved in providing our services. Over the past two years, we have experienced increases in operational expenses due to rising labor costs and consumable inventory consumption and cost inflation. A less visible but growing variable is the cost acceleration on equipment related to running H&P's FlexRig fleet harder than ever before to achieve the well-designed lateral links and the drilling efficiencies for our customers. We've seen the inflation related to labor and consumable inventory items decrease somewhat in 2023. However, it is being offset by the service intensity required to maintain rigs and equipment at standards that will continue to drive performance and efficiency gains. Let me provide an example. In the last 10 years, average lateral length has doubled to over 10,000 feet And at the same time, the well cycle times have improved by 22%. This means that each flux rig today drills about four and a half more wells on average per year. And those rigs have doubled the exposure to the resource. In 2023, the fleet actually drilled 15 million more feet of wellbore, working 33 fewer rigs than a decade ago. This is an example of service intensity and a significant cause of increasing costs related to higher operational costs required to deliver consistency, efficiency, and the increased volume of work each rig is now expected to produce. To put a finer point on the magnitude of these cost increases and the impact on our contract economics, North America's solutions operating costs have increased over 50% since 2014. Like most businesses, we are also experiencing inflationary pressures in our non-operational expenses, particularly around labor and third-party services, which are key drivers behind our projected increase in selling, general, and administrative expenses. Mark will give more details on this in his remarks. We have begun to capitalize on unconventional opportunities outside the U.S., enabling us to further diversify our operations over the long term. I'm pleased with the early signs of success here, particularly with our recent tender award with Saudi Aramco and the operations of our first super spec rig in the Beteloo Basin in Australia. In fiscal 2024, we plan to build on this momentum and continue to deploy capital for future international growth opportunities. We're also thankful for celebrating 50 years in Colombia, 25 years in Argentina, and the consistent contribution from our offshore Gulf of Mexico operation. And we're excited about the potential contribution from these segments in the years to come. Shifting to our efforts focused on the energy transition, we are furthering our strategy of deploying capital and expertise to companies advancing innovative approaches to energy. As an example, our investments in geothermal are helping to develop an alternative carbon-free 24-7 power source. We're providing unconventional drilling learnings and flex rig technology solutions to enhance and enable next generation geothermal concepts. A recent highlight is the encouraging progress in the field with one of our geothermal investees, Ferbo Energy. We're currently drilling the fifth well of a multi-year drilling campaign in Utah. This is their first geothermal development project, which will include constructing the second largest geothermal plant in the U.S. and with plans of producing 400 megawatts of geothermal power by 2028. H&P SuperSpec FlexRig 3, along with our technology suite, has surpassed our customers' anticipated performance targets. Our strategic alliances with FERBO and our other innovative companies have put us firmly on the path to participate in next generation geothermal opportunities and grow our unconventional geothermal drilling expertise to a larger scale. In addition to our operational and growth accomplishments during the year, we believe an essential ingredient in achieving shareholder success is having a multi-pronged approach to capital allocation. First and foremost, we prioritize the company's longstanding posture of a strong financial position and fiscal prudence. Second, we look to invest in organic projects with attractive returns so that we can continue to lead the industry in the U.S. and develop future growth internationally. Finally, we seek to return capital to shareholders through an established base dividend augmented by supplemental dividends and share repurchases when those opportunities exist. Mark will provide additional details about the plan and his remarks. I'm proud of the H&P team's service attitude and strategic achievements this fiscal year and will remain vigilant as we navigate through 2024. We enter this new year with a sense of optimism around the U.S. market and international opportunities, as well as what we can deliver to both customers and shareholders. We believe the outlook over the next several years is encouraging for our industry, The long-term energy fundamentals are strong, and as such, H&P remains ready and will continue to take actions to ensure future success for the company. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Mark.

Thanks, John. Today I will review our fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2023 operating results, provide guidance for the first quarter and full fiscal year 2024 as appropriate, and comment on our financial position. Let me start with highlights for the recently completed fourth quarter and fiscal year ended September 30, 2023. The company generated quarterly revenues of $660 million versus $724 million in the previous quarter. The decrease in revenue is primarily due to the expected reduction in active rig count for the North America Solutions fleet. Correspondingly, total direct operating costs incurred were $410 million for the fourth quarter versus $430 million for the previous quarter. The sequential decrease is driven by the aforementioned reduction in activity, but this decline was somewhat muted by a lower fixed cost absorption and maintenance and supply expense intensity, which ended up being on the higher end of the range this quarter. General and administrative expenses total $56 million for the fourth quarter and $207 million for fiscal 2023, which is generally in line with our expectations. The fiscal 23 effective tax rate was approximately 27%, which is within the previously guided range. To summarize fourth quarter's results, H&P earned a profit of 77 cents per diluted share versus 93 cents in the previous quarter. Earnings per share were positively impacted by a net 8-cent gain per share of select items, which was primarily made up of gains on investment securities and settlements of outstanding claims, partially offset by a blue-chip swap transaction. Absent these select items, adjusted diluted earnings per share was 69 cents in the fourth fiscal quarter, compared with an adjusted $1.09 during the third fiscal quarter. Capital expenditures for the fourth quarter were $114 million, with full fiscal 2023 totaling $395 million, which was generally in line with our expectations from the July earnings call. H&P generated $215 million in operating cash flow in the fourth quarter and a total of $834 million during the full fiscal 2023. Our cash flow generation funded $846 million in capital deployment, including $395 million of CapEx, $104 million in base dividends, $98 million in supplemental dividends, and $249 million in share repurchases together with related excise taxes. We will discuss our expected accretive fiscal 24 cash generation and cash position later in these remarks. Turning to our three segments, beginning with the North America Solutions segment. We averaged 149 contracted rigs during the fourth quarter, down from an average of 166 rigs in fiscal Q3. We exited the fourth quarter with 147 contracted rigs, which is at the high end of our expectation. Note that the 147 rigs correspond to approximately 80% utilization of the super spec rigs that have worked within the last year. Revenues were sequentially lower by $66 million due to the expected sequential decrease in the number of working rigs. Segment direct margin was $239 million within our July guidance range. Total segment per day expenses, excluding reimbursables, increased to $19,800 during the fourth quarter from $18,700 per day in the third quarter. As discussed in our press release, this was above our expectations due in part to maintenance and supplies expense from rigs running harder. Further cost drivers include rig churn and decreased labor and overhead absorption. During this trough period, we retained crew personnel, regional specialty positions, and rig fabrication and maintenance facilities staff, resulting in lower scale absorption during the quarter. Additionally, the segment incurred a $150 per day really charge related to the change in the fair value of the contingent liability related to an acquisition or an out based on operating performance metrics. Looking ahead to the first quarter of fiscal 2024 for North America Solutions, as of today's call, we have 147 contracted rigs as the contractual churn has been higher than expected, which has kept our activity level relatively flat thus far in the quarter. That said, we expect to end our first fiscal quarter with between 150 and 156 rigs working and are anticipating some additional ads in fiscal Q2. Our current revenue backlog from our North America Solutions fleet is roughly $1.1 billion for rigs under term contract, up from $900 million in the previous quarter. As of today, approximately 60% of the U.S. active fleet is on a term contract. As activity increases, we expect our average pricing levels to remain steady, given that spot pricing levels have remained relatively stable and above lower rate legacy term contracts that continue to roll into the current pricing environment. In the North America Solutions segment, we expect direct margins in fiscal Q1 to range between $235 to $255 million. Given that 70 to 75% of our daily costs are labor-related, it is typical to see seasonal declines from payroll taxes, et cetera. In general, our operating costs have increased approximately 25% since the end of fiscal 2019 and are anticipated to continue near current levels due to several factors, including the aforementioned materials and supplies inventory consumption as a result of longer laterals. Labor expenses elevated by two inflation adjustments in the past two years. and supply chain cost inflation. Further, continued rig churn drives cost levels higher. These increased costs are one of the many reasons we are acutely focused on maintaining recently achieved pricing levels as we strive to earn appropriate returns on our investments. Regarding our international solutions segment, we had approximately 13 rigs active at September 30th as expected and sequentially flat from prior quarter. As a reminder, we revised international guidance via our October 18 press release as a result of accelerating some rig commissioning due to timing efficiencies at our Houston facility and due to certain expat labor expenses. Further, we experienced a 4.6 million foreign exchange loss on Argentina pesos in-country based on the devaluation of the official exchange rate in the segment results. Separately, we experienced a 12 million investment loss that related to accessing the blue chip swap effective parallel exchange mechanism in Argentina. Although we took this investment loss, we were able to repatriate that $9.8 million to the U.S., which otherwise would not have been available. Looking toward the first quarter of fiscal 2024 for the international segment, we expect to idle one rig in Argentina mid-quarter, with all other countries remaining at constant activity levels. Aside from any foreign exchange impacts, we expect to have between 7 to 10 million direct operating contribution, direct margin contribution in the first quarter. Turning to our offshore Gulf of Mexico segment, as expected, we completed the demobilization of a rig in the fourth fiscal quarter and now have three of our seven offshore platform rigs contracted. We have management contracts on three customer-owned rigs, one of which is on active rate. Offshore generated a direct margin of approximately $7 million during the quarter, which was within our guided range. As we look toward the first quarter of fiscal 2024 for the offshore Gulf of Mexico segment, we expect that it will generate between $3 to $7 million of direct margin, which is now sequentially primarily due to the stacking of the aforementioned rigs. Now, let me look forward to the first fiscal quarter and full fiscal year 2024 for certain consolidated and corporate items. Let me start by reiterating features in our multi-pronged approach to capital allocation that John mentioned earlier. Our strategy is to maintain our strong balance sheet together with investment grade credit metrics, to invest in maintaining our market leading North America solutions fleet, and to deploy capital to support growth and diversification opportunities internationally with prudent investments in our rig fleet. Finally, our recently announced 2024 supplemental return plan continues our strategy introduced a year ago to flexibly augment value to shareholders. As discussed in our October 18 press release and in yesterday's release, our fiscal 2024 CapEx has three buckets, North America, international, and corporate and information technology. Our bucket of North America solutions includes maintenance CapEx costs, which are anticipated to push above the high end of the fiscal 2023 range due in part to fiscal year 2023 supply chain delays and capital spending for component equipment refurbishment and recertification. that has rolled into fiscal year 2024. Fiscal 24 maintenance cap tax per active rig should approximate $1.3 to $1.5 million per active rig based on current bottoms-up maintenance facility and supply chain throughput expectations. This level of capital intensity has some inflation built in from the last couple of years, but it is also at a projected high point due to continued catch-up spending from the 2020 downturn. The international bucket primarily consists, excuse me, the international bucket partially consists of a planned minor upgrade to three rigs in Argentina utilizing funds currently in country to take them to full super spec capacity. We plan to continue converting slightly over one rig per month to walk-in capability at our Houston facility resulting in approximately 14 conversions in fiscal 24. These conversions will be split between North American solutions and international exports, depending on the successful outcomes of current and anticipated international bids, and on U.S. customer demand at attractive rates and terms. The final bucket of corporate and information technology consists primarily of enterprise financial and operating system upgrades and re-communications improvements. Depreciation for fiscal 2024 is expected to be approximately $390 million. Our sales general and administrative expenses for the full fiscal 24 year are expected to approximately $230 million, which is up from the prior year. We have continued to build capabilities to support the company, including expertise that has aligned pricing with the value delivered in North America and in securing initial Middle East international growth. We have also introduced several software-as-a-service solutions to improve our data and analysis in many areas. Finally, we have experienced inflation across many functional areas in 2023 for labor and third-party services, for which we will bear the full run rate in fiscal 2024. Our investment in research and development remains largely focused on solutions for our customers, such as drilling automation, wellbore quality, and power management. We anticipate R&D expenditures to be approximately $30 million in 2024. We are expecting an effective income tax rate range of 24% to 29% with the variance above the U.S. stat rate of 21% driven by state and foreign taxes. Based upon estimated fiscal 24 operating results in CapEx, we are projecting a consolidated cash tax range of $150 to $200 million. Now looking at our financial positions. Elmer and Payne had cash and short-term investments of approximately $350 million in September 30, 2023 versus $293 million in June 30. Including availability under our revolving credit facility, our liquidity remains at approximately $1.1 billion. As announced in our October press release, subject to ongoing board approval, we plan to pay supplemental dividends across fiscal 2024 of about $68 million. which is approximately 50% of the projected remaining cash flow after CapEx and after our established base dividend. In essence, over two-thirds of cash flow after CapEx is planned to be returned to shareholders with approximately one-third remaining for flexibility. As of today, this flexible $68 million unallocated together with our current $350 million cash and short-term equivalents on hand provides us with much flexibility for accretive investments, opportunistic share buybacks, and or further supplemental dividends. Future capital allocation plans look to further add to our long-standing priority of returning cash to shareholders, increasing the roughly $3.1 billion of cash that we have returned to shareholders during the past 10 years through dividends and share repurchases. That concludes our prepared comments for the fourth fiscal quarter. Let me now turn the call over to David Creed for questions.

At this time, if you'd like to ask a question, please press the star and one keys on your telephone keypad. Keep in mind, you may remove yourself from the question queue at any time by pressing the round key. We will take our first question from David Smith with Pickering Energy Partners. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning. If you could indulge me for If you could indulge me for just a second so I can properly frame the question.

I wanted to acknowledge the impressive leadership and success on the pricing discipline.

the strong shareholder returns generated. Not many companies returning almost 50% of EBITDA to shareholders in 23. But then I look at the international CapEx program, which I think was around 100 to 110 million in fiscal 23. I think it looks closer to 150, 160 for fiscal 24. And I see a segment that generated 25 million of direct margin this last fiscal year. And just wanted to ask if you can kind of Remind us what the investment is targeting in terms of what kind of activity levels you're ultimately targeting, the timing to get there, any other way you might want to frame the international growth aspirations.

Thank you, David. That's a great question. I did want to mention that we do have a lot of aspirational growth internationally. I also wanted to be clear that there are multiple tender bids that are going on in multiple countries, really. And so at this stage of the game, we're really not in a position where we want to give out a lot of information related to that as far as just the details, just for competitive advantages, competitive reasons. I think in the next couple of months, we'll be able to give quite a bit more color on that. But suffice it to say, you know, our intention is to continue to invest in the flexure fleet that's here in the U.S. and look to export that capacity international.

I might just add a couple of footnotes. David, over the long term, obviously, Our goal is to grow the percentage of the corporations consolidated EBITDA in international by exporting some of these rigs that are suited for unconventional emerging markets overseas. But we're not giving any specifics related to those targets. It's a long process, and we had a couple of key wins that John mentioned in prepared remarks in Saudi Arabia and Australia that will happen this year. But we're trying to do these investments, obviously, generating returns like the double digit ROIC that we achieved in fiscal 23 through time. And as John said, you know, we want to be, for competitive reasons, we don't want to talk a lot about specifics with these. Suffice it to say that we have some ongoing current bids and some others that we anticipate coming down the pipeline. And in the near term, we can put some rigs to work in the U.S. for short-term contracts, having these available for longer-term export opportunities, confident that we will generate returns on the investments made.

Great. I appreciate all the color and look forward to the announcements when you're able to make them. If I could sneak a quick follow-up in there, and sorry if I missed this, but just thinking about the fiscal Q1 guidance for North America Solutions. with margins, I think the implied daily margin flat to slightly up. I was just wondering if you could share your view on how the daily OPEX is impacting the Q1 guidance.

Yeah, Dave, appreciate the question. Costs were higher, as we mentioned, in the fiscal fourth quarter. And I would just put it into a three buckets, really, for simplification. I think we're over 1,000 to 1,100 versus a lot of analyst estimates. And I would say, you know, call it 300 of that was related to labor absorption. So with increased rigs, that'll come down. Another 200 or so related to the higher of materials and supplies, consumption, and intensity, which appears to be with us for a bit. But the balance, the rest, really are a hodgepodge of other items that should not reoccur.

Okay, great call. I appreciate that.

I'll turn back. All right, Dave, thank you.

We'll take our next question from Kirk Hallett with Benchmark. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning.

Good morning, Kirk.

Appreciate the color and the commentary. So I'm kind of curious, right, as to, you know, you mentioned you know expectation for improved activity you know out into 2024 and you know those levels of activity will not quite get back to you know the highs that were reached in 2023 and then you kind of provided incremental color around you know 80 plus utilization for super spec rigs um so just just kind of curious as to you know what you're hearing from the emp client base and you know the until recently, I guess, it just kind of bled, breaks lower. And what's kind of providing the impetus for them maybe to turn things back on going into 2024?

Well, I think if you look at the activity levels during the course of the year, obviously, early on, A lot of the activity declines were related directly to natural gas, natural gas pricing. As we've gone through the year, what we've seen is a lot of churn associated with a lot of different reasons, but whether it's budget-driven, whether it's production-driven, a lot of this, Kurt, goes back to the capital discipline that the industry is showing, ENPs, our customers are showing. which again, I think is healthy for the industry. So in many cases, we're seeing somewhat of a reset in their capital budgets for the next year is largely what we're seeing. I mean, I think in general, I think ConsenSys has 40 to 60 rigs on average being added for 2024, and I think that's a reasonable expectation, and if you look at it as it relates to our current market share, I think it really fits in with what we're describing for our first quarter fiscal Q4. Okay.

Appreciate that. Maybe follow-up is, as you indicated, right, the substantial efficiency gains, you know, in footage drilled and so on, leading to fewer, I guess, ultimately leading to fewer number of rigs needed by the industry, at least in the U.S. market, kind of going forward. So in that context, it seems to me like part of that is playing into your strategy to, pursue some of these international opportunities. Am I reading too much into that?

No, I think that's fair. I mean, there's no doubt that we have a desire to grow our international footprint. As we all know, when you talk about U.S. activity and U.S. production and what's currently going on, As we know, production levels are not necessarily directly aligned with the current rig count that we're experiencing. And we've seen it previously. But we have capacity here in the U.S. to export flux rigs into international markets. So that's been one of our strategies for the last couple of years. And we're starting to see, as I said earlier, we're starting to see a lot more activity, a lot more bids out there to participate in. So again, we're encouraged by that. But I think it's also important to recognize that it's very, very hard to predict rig counts and activity out multiple years, much less a couple of quarters, as you know. We had fully intended to get our rig count to 191. you know, during 2023, and we got up to around 187 or so, and then, of course, we had the market correction that we've all experienced. And so that can happen out of left field. Who knows what happens when natural gas prices strengthen in 2024, 2025 timeframe. So, you know, it's a, you know, there's a lot of time left ahead of us, but clearly, to your original point, we're definitely planning to grow internationally.

That's great. Really appreciate it. Thank you.

Thanks, Kurt.

We'll take our next question from Waqar Saeed with ATB Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Thank you for taking my question, and good morning. Your performance-based contracts have been running for a while. Good to see the purse trade has gone up. If you look back over the last year, year and a half, how much do you think the performance-based contracts have added to the underlying data-driven margins?

About $1,000 to $2,000 per day on average when those bonuses are added in and averaged back. And that's on an average now on a per rig.

Yeah, so it's double that on the rigs that are that actually have performance-based contracts.

Okay, okay. So it's been pretty in line with what your expectations were going in.

Well, Carl, you know, we're pleased with where we are. We think we have additional progress to make on the performance-based contracts. I think it makes, you know, that model really makes too much sense. for what's going on in our market and unconventional wells and the need to be more reliable and drill longer laterals. All of that, I think it makes a lot of sense. And particularly when you're deploying additional technology and capacity and automation and things like that. So I think there's still further growth in terms of a percentage of our rigs. And I think there's the potential growth on the additional margin that we're delivering just based on how we continue to improve and how that, you know, how that compares to competitor performance. So, you know, I've said this before, do I think we're going to ever have 100% of our rigs on performance? No, I don't necessarily think that. But it wasn't that long ago that we were, you know, we were at, oh gosh, probably 10, 15% of our fleet, and today we're at 52. we're starting to see some additional growth with performance-based contracts. So we're encouraged by the opportunity.

Okay. And then, you know, your capital allocation framework that you mentioned and, you know, your supplemental dividends, regular dividends, and CapEx guidance. So if we reverse engineer from there to the expectations of EBITDA, I think consensus right now for fiscal year 2024 is about $872 million. So you feel comfortable with that consensus range and maybe upside a little bit there as well in your guidance, in the capital allocation guidance?

Ricard, really no further comment to the numbers we put out to do the math.

You're leaving the hard work for us then. And then just finally, the U.S. offshore, anything kind of out there which could increase or decrease the active count further?

Well, as we mentioned offshore, we had the one rig that demobilized the stack as expected. And our sales team does have a line of sight to a couple of potential opportunities that could They could occur in the back half of the fiscal year, but nothing definitive on that.

Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks for taking my questions.

Thanks, McCarr.

We'll take our next question from Keith McKay with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning. Just looking back over the last year, certainly in the U.S., came off of the leading edge peak that we saw late last year, early this year. But I think things have probably held in from a rate perspective more stable than a lot would have expected given the amount of rigs that have come out of the industry for now. So I guess the first part of the question is, would you agree with that? And the second part is, What, if anything, has surprised you about how the industry has responded to decrease in demand over the last year? Would you have expected things to be, you know, yourselves to be much worse than this or much better or any comments around that would be appreciated?

Well, I'll start with the last part of your question. You know, I think when you consider, and I mentioned this earlier, the pullback in gas prices, and the activity associated with that. I don't think that part is a surprise to us or really to anyone, and I think there's an opportunity, of course, for that to improve going forward. I think the oil side of the equation is probably a little, maybe a little bit more surprising, but it goes back to that theme that we mentioned related to churn. You know, it's amazing the amount of, you know, whether it's private or public, mostly I think related to private, but there's just a continuous churn of rigs getting released and getting put back to work. Our sales force is doing a great job with that, and that leads into the pricing. At the end of the day, we work very hard to partner with our customers to deliver the highest level of of efficiency and value as possible and doing it in a very consistent way. And that's worth a lot. And we hear that from customers day in and day out, that reliability and being able to drill those wells effectively and efficiently is worth a lot. And so, you know, again, it starts with, as I said earlier, it starts with our customers and that's being more disciplined in terms of their spending and that really puts the requirement on us to do the same thing and just making certain that we're getting a return for the capital that we're investing. As you know, it's a high capital intensive business, drilling is, and we're investing a lot of money and we have great people and great technology and we've got to get paid for that.

I might just add to that, Keith, that Another way to think about it is if you, I can't speak to our competitors, I can only speak for H&P, but if you go back to the beginning of calendar 22, we said we were going to limit the amount of rigs we were putting out and we were going to focus on our pricing so that we could get the returns John just mentioned. And the reverse has happened this year. We've been focused on the pricing and we've taken the decision to idle rigs to maintain that. So that is really

different way of operating the last couple years both in the scenario of rigs going up and then this year with rigs coming down but the same laser focus on what we need to do to generate returns for our shareholders yeah yeah I appreciate that just secondly on the international tenders now I know you're not going to want to disclose too much here but is there anything you can share with respect to you know, the magnitude of tenders, what potential amount of rig activity, you know, in terms of a range you could see from the amount of tenders you're participating in, or whether the amount of tenders are, you know, appear to be speeding up or slowing down. Any commentary around that would be helpful.

Steve, I think... I was thinking through this last night, not an exact number, but there's 15 to 20, 25 rigs of work of tenders that we're aware of, and I know there's probably more. But we also know firsthand that Growth Internationally tends to be pretty slow, so we're sure not putting any number out there on a percentage of that rig count or the number of rigs that we might be successful with. You know, there's a lot of work. Our teams are working really hard to make this happen, so hopefully more to come in the upcoming quarters. We're announcing some success, but at this stage, there's really not a whole lot more than that that I can say, Mark, unless you have any other No, and what you're referencing is just current things that were in active discussions. Active discussions in multiple countries. So it's not just one country, it's multiple countries, and the bid processes take quite some time. And then when the rigs actually go to work, it's another 6 or 12 or 14 months even past that. So it's very hard to put any sort of a number to it.

So to that last point, John, I would just footnote that we would expect to see this positively in our P&L and more likely fiscal 25. 25, yeah.

Got it.

Okay. That's it for me. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you.

We'll take our next question from Mark Bianchi with TD Cohen. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Thanks. I think, Mark, in your remarks, you mentioned that there were some lower-priced rigs in the backlog of your current contract book. Could you help us understand what the opportunity is to reprice those? Maybe if we were to mark everything to the leading edge today, what that would mean for revenue per day? No.

I think in the tables at the back of the press release, you can see a bit about what's under term and get some indication of that. You know, we have summer pricing now, which will help us more in fiscal Q2, frankly, and then I think we have another batch of rollovers in Q2.

Okay. And the press release made a comment about, you know, not taking much of an increase for utilization to get really tight. And I think, John, you had sort of thought that the 40 to 60 rig add for 24 is reasonable. It would seem like less than that number would be required for utilization to get really tight, and we could start to see some pricing power. Any thoughts on, you know, more specifically how many rigs it's going to take and when we might start to see some upward movement in leading edge?

Mark, it's... You know, again, I would argue that the market is pretty tight right now. And again, we tend to kind of be focused only on the super spec fleet. That's the rig fleet that we have working. And so that is already really tight. So I agree with you. The 40 to 60 reference is really not necessarily super spec. That's kind of an industry rig count increase. Although we continue to see as an industry, more and more super spec capacity requirement, less of the non-super spec. We think that's going to trend. Quite frankly, I would say there's pricing power in the market right now just based on what we see. Any additional net ads is just going to make that a tighter market, which is, again, why we had that. It's just to you know, make that clear.

Yep. Okay. That's great. If I could just sneak one more in, um, for Mark, the, the cash tax outlook, um, implies quite a bit higher than what it looks like your book tax ought to be. Um, is this, is this level of cash tax is something we should be assuming, um, going forward or should we be assuming that your cash tax is quite a bit above your book tax for, for several more years here?

No, I think we have around 25 million or so of 2023 taxes that are going to be actually payable in 24.

Okay, so that's driving.

So that cash tax amount is not purely related to 24. We're expecting the same as you saw from the range. We had a 27% effective tax rate this year, and it's really, that's the midpoint of next year's range as well.

Right.

just timing different timing differences as to when we actually make the payments yep okay thank you i'll turn it back yeah thanks mark we'll take our next question from tom coran with seaport research please go ahead your line is open good morning guys uh just one left for me but it's kind of a bigger open-ended one so

As you endeavor to remain the industry's technology and innovation leader, what role do you foresee M&A playing over, say, the next year or two? In the last scale-up cycle, you did four acquisitions over 2017 through 2019, Motive, Magbar, AGC, and DrillScan. What is your appetite and approach to M&A now, and what specific capabilities or themes would you be prioritizing for a Boulder fund, be it, you know, drilling optimization, software, automation advancement, you know, some other topic?

Tom, that's a great question. And, you know, I feel really good about the acquisitions that we made and the value that we're delivering, helping to deliver for customers. And I don't, you know, I don't really see a gap in our portfolio on what we have. I feel really good about it. There are a lot of things that we continue to make advances on. The automated directional drilling is continuing to progress. There's other things that we're working on to automate. And those skill sets and capabilities really lend themselves to being able to do more Not only downhill, but also on the rig itself. So I feel really good about where we are and what we have and the team that we have. We've been very, very fortunate to retain a lot of that brainpower from the acquisitions that we made. So I feel really good about that. I don't know of any other gaps that we have.

So, John, it sounds as if, if I'm hearing you correctly, that you would expect to be able to achieve this next chapter of development organically, you know, via R&D with the existing platform in place, technologically.

Yes. Yeah, that's a good way to summarize it. I think we have the skill set, and I think we have the capability in-house for what we're doing. Obviously, there are always... opportunities to go out and do things with other third parties, but I don't think that requires necessarily M&A in order to do that. I think that can be done with the relationships that we currently have. Got it. Thanks for taking my questions. All right. Thank you.

And we'll take our next question from Api Modak with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning, team. You mentioned some cost acceleration of equipment that was less visible. And you gave some color there, so really appreciate that. But curious if that changes or is baked into your normalized margin expectations at 50% longer term. How should we think about that?

I'm sorry, Adi.

Could you repeat that question? You broke up on us just a little bit. Try that again.

Yeah, for sure. Hopefully this is better. Just on the cost acceleration of equipment, is that baked into your normalized margin expectations at 50% or does that change that expectation in the near term, longer term? How should we think about that?

I think you're talking about something in the international segment. That's the only thing that was accelerated that we mentioned, not North America. Is that what you're talking about?

I thought you mentioned some flex rig equipment acceleration and inflation. I thought that was in North America.

Yeah, we got it. I'm sorry for that. The service intensity, yes, it is built in. It is very hard to determine exactly how that continues to progress because costs do continue to increase. not only because of inflation, but because of service intensity and equipment running harder and longer and delivering more volume. So yes, there is, but that is baked into our margin.

It is, yes. Okay, thank you. That's helpful. And then you mentioned some tenders ongoing, and I understand the color might be difficult there, but As you think about accelerating some of these deployment plans in the international markets or the international segment, how should we think about the cadence of the margin in 24?

Well, it's just going to be we don't know yet. You saw the guide for this quarter's international expectations, and it's If the countries hold flat, that's the level of margin we would anticipate throughout the year, notwithstanding the successful outcomes of any of these bidding processes, which would cause us to incur expenses for final recommissioning and shipping charges. So it's just to be determined based on the processes for bidding, which as John stated earlier, really sort of

happen slowly and uh in a very unique bid to bid so there yeah it's uh it's successful like mark said most of most of that will push into 2025 there are a few countries that we could have some rigs that would deploy in 2024 but it's going to probably be more towards the back half so it's not going to have a large impact on 2024 numbers Well, it won't have any revenue for 24, but it's expensive. Exactly.

Well, I did appreciate that, Governor.

Thank you.

Thank you. And I'll now turn the call back to John Lindsay for any closing remarks.

Thank you, David. And thanks again, everybody, for joining us today. You know, as we said earlier, we remain optimistic about the long-term energy fundamentals. We think there's a lot of opportunities out there that HEP can take advantage of and use to create value for shareholders. So thank you again for joining us today, and we'll sign off.

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