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spk00: Good morning, my name is Misty, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Harsfield Corporation second quarter release conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to avoid any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key on your telephone keypad. Also, this telephone conference presentation and accompanying webcasts made on behalf of Harsco Corporation are subject to copyright by Harsco Corporation and all rights are reserved. Harsco Corporation will be recording this teleconference. No recordings or redistributions of this telephone conference by any other party are permitted without the express written consent of Harsco Corporation. Your participation indicates your agreement. I would now like to introduce Dave Martin of Harsco Corporation. Mr. Martin, you may begin your call.
spk03: Thank you, Misty, and welcome to everyone joining us today. I'm Dave Martin, VP of Investor Relations for Harsco. With me today is Nick Rasberger, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Pete Minen, Harsco's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. This morning, we will discuss our results for the second quarter of 2021 and our outlook for the remainder of the year. We'll then take your questions. Before our presentation, however, let me mention a few items. First, our earnings release as well as a slide presentation for this call are available on our website. Second, we will make statements today that are considered forward-looking within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on our current knowledge and expectations and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ from those forward-looking statements. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, see the risk factors section in our most recent 10-K and 10-Q. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statement. Lastly, on this call, we may refer to adjusted financial results that are considered non-GAAP for SEC reporting purposes. A reconciliation to GAAP results is included in our earnings release as well as a slide presentation. With that said, I'll turn the call to Nick.
spk06: Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us. A few weeks ago, we announced the appointment of our new CFO, Anshuman Agha. He will join us later this month, and I could not be more pleased with the outcome of our search process. We look forward to introducing Anshuman to you once he has settled into the role. Again, I appreciate Pete's willingness to defer his retirement and remain with us through the transition over the next few months. I'm also very pleased with our Q2 results. We delivered our highest quarterly revenue since 2013, and our adjusted EBITDA growth and margins were strong, both year over year and sequentially versus our first quarter. Our results reflect impressive execution by our team. I'll highlight the ongoing integration of ESOL and Clean Earth, our high level of service to a booming steel industry, and advances in operational excellence in the rail business. The rail and contaminated material segments had lagged the recovery of other sectors, and we are pleased with the way in which we've met the increased demand. In short, the business momentum is now more broad-based than it was in Q1, and we are maintaining a positive outlook for the balance of the year. I would like to thank our 12,000-plus employees for their continued commitment to Harsco and to our customers. I'll comment on each of the segments, beginning with Harsco Environmental. Capacity utilization of the steel mills that we support is approaching that of the first half of 2019 before the market began to turn down. And the outlook into next year includes further volume growth. When coupled with the shift towards an improved mix of environmental services and lower capital spending, HG's outlook for 2022 is as bright as ever. From a macro perspective, the steel industry's heightened focus on sustainability fits well with our focus on ESG and the portfolio of environmental solutions in our innovation pipeline. Our business has never been better positioned as a true strategic partner to the steel industry, and we look forward to continuing the work with our customers to advance and expand their green steel initiatives. Our clean earth segment continues to perform well. we're delivering on our commitment to maximize the value from last year's ESOL acquisition while also taking advantage of the benefits of a market recovery. After realizing more than 10 million of synergies last year, we anticipate at least another 20 million this year. So, while the recovery in each of Clean Earth's end markets is firmly rooted, the business is experiencing some pressure from tightness in the labor market and with end disposal assets. We have factored these items into our outlook for the year and, where possible, are taking action to mitigate the impact. At the same time, we continue to recognize new growth opportunities in the hazardous waste industry, supporting the initial steps we have taken to transform our portfolio of businesses. The rail segment recorded its highest quarterly profit in two years, and we expect EBITDA growth to exceed 60 percent for the full year. The business has benefited from a recovery in domestic spending and also its global aftermarket platform. COVID challenges remain, particularly in Asia and Latin America, but this has been accounted for in our outlook. The team is also executing at a high level in managing our large contracts, dealing with COVID-related supply chain issues, and as noted earlier, improving key operational metrics. Finally, in May, we released our most comprehensive ESG report to date, highlighting our ESG accomplishments and providing a detailed look at our ESG strategy, as well as focus areas and the governance structure to align with our business strategy and commitment to ESG with shareholder value creation. Highlights of these are on page four of the slide deck. We are particularly proud of our safety record last year and our contributions to the circular economy. Last year, Harsco recycled or repurposed over 75% of the material that we processed, and we continue to see increases in our ESG ratings. We are reinforcing our commitment to the environment and to social and governance matters by incorporating related goals into Harsco's annual incentive plan. I'll now turn the call over to Pete.
spk01: Thanks, Nick, and good morning, everybody. So let me start by turning to our results for the quarter and our unchanged outlook for the year. As Nick mentioned, we are pleased with our Q2 results and our continued expectations for a strong year. So please turn to slide five in our consolidated financial summary for the second quarter. Harisco's revenues totaled $570 million, and adjusted EBITDA reached $78 million in the second quarter, outperforming the prior year and sequential quarters. Also, our Q2 EBITDA was at the top end of the guidance range we provided in May. Importantly, each of our segments performed well in the quarter. Strong performance in execution and environmental, as well as the mix and timing of some shipments in rail, drove results to the higher end of our guidance. Clean earth results were consistent with our expectations, and it was good to see the anticipated improvement in our contaminated materials business that we discussed on our May earnings call. Both our contaminated materials business and rail business, which had been lagging as economic conditions strengthened over the past year, are now experiencing positive momentum. And as Nick noted, these businesses are expected to further improve in the second half of the year. HARCO consolidated revenues increased 27% compared with the second quarter of 2020 and 8% compared with the first quarter of 2021. Each of our segments contributed to these increases. HARCO's adjusted earnings per share from continuing operations for the second quarter was 28 cents. And this figure compares favorably to adjusted EPS of 13 cents in the prior year quarter and is above the guidance range of 21 to 27 cents we provided in May. Lastly, our free cash flow for the quarter of $6 million was consistent with our expectations. The change versus the comparable quarter in 2020 is principally driven by higher capital spending, much of which, as we've discussed before, had been deferred from the prior year. We did see a sequential improvement in cash flow from Q1 as anticipated, and we expect our cash performance to improve meaningfully for the remaining quarters of the year. Now please turn to slide six in our environmental segment. Revenues totaled $273 million and adjusted EBITDA was $58 million. These results compare favorably to the prior year quarter when EBITDA totaled $40 million. Our quarterly margin improved to just over 21%. Compared with Q2 of 2020, the EBITDA improvement is primarily attributable to higher services and applied products demand globally. These impacts also include the benefit of higher nickel prices in the quarter. These positives were partially offset by higher SG&A, including incentive compensation, as well as a modest impact from site exits. Steel production at our customer sites continued to improve. Liquid steel tonnage, or LST, increased roughly 25% versus the prior year. And we expect to benefit from increased production as the global economy continues to improve. Our customers operated at less than 80% of capacity in Q2, which leaves room for further improvement in service levels in the future. Next, please turn to slide seven to discuss our clean earth segment. For the quarter, revenues were $196 million and adjusted EBITDA totaled $18 million. Compared to the second quarter of 2020, revenues increased 21%. with both our contaminated and hazardous materials businesses contributing higher revenues. The EBITDA increase year-on-year was mainly driven by higher hazardous waste volumes and our integration and value creation activities. Integration benefits totaled roughly $5 million in the quarter versus the prior year period, and overall our integration efforts are progressing well, with us on track to realize $20 million of benefits this year. These positive impacts were partially offset by incentive comp and SG&A investments, including some rebranding and IT costs, which won't repeat next year. Lastly, on Clean Earth, I'd highlight that our year-to-date free cash flow now totals $24 million. This total represents more than 70% of its EBITDA and reflects the positive results and financial characteristics of this business. Now please turn to slide eight in our rail business. Rail revenues totaled $101 million, up 24% from the prior year quarter, and the segments adjusted EBITDA totaled $10 million in the second quarter. The revenue increase versus the prior year quarter is attributable to higher equipment sales, including our work progress under a number of long-term contracts. Meanwhile, EBITDA was essentially unchanged year on year. Here, the benefit of higher equipment contributions was offset by a less favorable aftermarket mix, mainly in Asia, timing of certain contracting services, and higher selling-related costs. With this said, our Q2 results in rail improved sequentially and were slightly better than anticipated. Again, this reflects the positive market developments and improved outlook we discussed on our May earnings call. So now turning to slide nine, which is our consolidated 2021 outlook. As I mentioned earlier, our outlook details are unchanged from those communicated in May. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be within a range of $295 to $310 million. Adjusted earnings per share is expected to be within a range of 82 and 96 cents. And we expect free cash flow of $35 to $55 million for the year. Our Q2 results support this guidance. Underlying market performance was consistent with expectations in recent months. and our outlook for the relevant end markets is unchanged. With that said, our implied outlook range for the second half of the year also contemplates some modest potential headwinds, largely comprising labor availability and inflation related to our trucking fleet at Clean Earth. Also, the tightness and availability of end disposal options in the industry, including incineration capacity, remains a potential headwind in the coming months. We are, however, anticipating end disposal markets to loosen later in the year. Let me conclude on slide 10 with our third quarter guidance. Q3 adjusted EBITDA is expected to range from $75 million to $81 million. Each segment is expected to see improvement relative to the prior year quarter, given favorable market conditions, as well as internal improvements and investments. Sequentially, Q3 results are expected to be comparable with the second quarter at the midpoint of the range, reflecting some improvements in clean earth and rail. In environmental, we expect that services mix will be slightly less favorable in Q3 versus the second quarter. So before I conclude my prepared remarks and turn the call over to the operator for questions, let me make some final comments. First, I want to personally welcome Anshuman DeHarsco as the new CFO. I've met him, spoke with him. He will be a fantastic addition to the leadership team of this company, a company that I've had the privilege to be part of for seven years. Since this will be my last earnings call, let me once again say that while my wife and I are very excited about starting the retirement phase of our lives, there is much I will miss about Harsco. Most importantly, the great people I've been proud to work with. Nick, my colleagues on the executive leadership team, and my global finance and IT teams. I will miss them greatly. However, rest assured, I will enjoy watching and sharing in the continued successes of Harsco on the sidelines as an investor for years to come. Thanks, and I'll now hand the call back to Misty for Q&A.
spk00: At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Again, that is star and then number 1. The first question comes from the line of Michael Hoffman with Stiefel.
spk08: Hi, Nick, Pete, and good luck, Pete, with the retirement. I hope you get through that bike trip finally. Thanks, Mike. The free cash flow outlook, it's a $70 million swing in the second half. It seems like it's very heavily weighted around working capital. Can you help us understand where that's going to come from?
spk01: Yeah, it's typical for us, Michael, that the second half is typically higher weighted in terms of free cash flow. It is coming largely from working capital and even top performance particularly. You see it in rail for sure, but across all three of the business units, we'll continue to see the trend that we've already experienced, which is an improvement in our working capital metrics. So we'll see that be the primary driver for the free cash for the rest of the year, Michael.
spk08: Okay, and then within the line of business, And this sort of got an A and a B to it. So the A is how I think about the second half, but the B is the longer view of these trends you're picking up. Can you talk about what you're seeing that gives you confidence about the comment that Nick made about 22 in steel, clean earth rail? So the A is the short-term view, the long-term view is what else are you seeing that gives you the confidence that this carries into 22?
spk06: Well, I'll start with the B, Michael. And I think if you simply look at consensus estimates for volume growth in steel to begin with, but also with the industries that we serve in the U.S., that's the source of the clean earth volumes, so medical, retail, industrial, and so forth. Everything that we've seen and heard, the commentary around those markets suggests that this recovery is going to extend well into 2022. That's the base. Of course, beyond that, in our own business, the growth opportunities that we're seeing in clean earth and also the ramp up of some large new contracts in HE should be additive to that. And as we've mentioned many times before, capital spending in 2022 should be a good bit less, 50 plus million less than it will be in 2021. So you put all of that together, coupled with what should be an improving mix in HE and Clean Earth. And we're pretty optimistic about 2022. You know, in the rail business, we've commented before that about half of our revenues are derived from transits and metros. And of course, that has not yet begun to bounce back. We've seen recovery, as you know, on the freight side, both within the U.S. and in the global markets that we serve. But we've not seen a recovery in transits, and that's going to come as people return to office. And so that gives us optimism in rail together with, I think we've talked about before, some new products that we're introducing in the rail sector that have been trialed with test vehicles and with really very good feedback from potential customers. So across all three segments, H-E-C-E and rail, there's a good bit of optimism, not only beyond this year, but as implicit in our guidance for this year, the H-E business as you know, is a bit more stable. The volumes, we have decent visibility to the volumes of material that we'll process for the balance of the year. And in Clean Earth and Rail, of course, Rail has a substantial backlog. And in Clean Earth, we continue to see growth in each of its end markets.
spk08: And if I tease a little bit out on Clean Earth, the infrastructure-related part of that volume? Any visibility there?
spk06: Well, there's great visibility to a number of large projects that are coming online. Many of them have not yet come out for bid, and so there would be a question as to timing, although we're somewhat confident that we would be involved if not as a sole provider, at least in part. So there's visibility to the pipeline of projects. It's really more a question of timing. And of course, you add on to that the projects that will be created by the infrastructure bill that was passed a couple days ago. Again, it's difficult to quantify the impact of that on the business, but clearly in Clean Earth, with respect to cleanup of Superfund sites, a large number of new infrastructure projects that should create material that we would process, not to mention opportunities with respect to wastewater and PFAS. A lot of optimism on clean earth also.
spk08: You're alluding to the $30 billion of increased circular funding and the $10 billion for PFAS work. That's what's in that infrastructure bill.
spk06: Yeah, in part. Of course, there are other components of the infrastructure bill that are oriented towards infrastructure that should support both Horseshoe Environmental and also clean earth.
spk08: Last one for me, you never made any secret your business is in a transformation that real eventually isn't part of the portfolio. Is business good enough that you can start a process of that transition now?
spk06: Well, that's a very good question, Michael. And let me start by saying, as we noted, both Pete and myself noted in our commentary, we're very happy with the performance of the business and the outlook. not just for the balance of this year, but in 2022 and beyond. And of course, we're trying to balance the creation of shareholder value as a result of the disposition with the benefits of sooner being better than later. And so that's the balance. And of course, with respect to shareholder value, we are expecting, given the outlook for the business, for that outlook to be manifest in the sale price. And so that's the question really at the moment. And of course the second half we expect to be stronger than the first and 2022 to be a good bit stronger than 2021. And so we'll just have to wait and see if we can capture some of that value now or if we need to wait and execute a process a bit later.
spk08: Okay, and lastly, the incineration issue is they're just full. It's just that busy, so it supports your other statement, CleanRC's great fundamentals, and the incinerator capacity in North America is just full, and that's the problem?
spk06: Yeah, it is. It's not what I would term a major problem for us. We certainly send, we process and repurpose and recycle a lot more material than we send to And so we're managing through that as best we can. And it's, sure, I mean, it is holding back revenue and profit a bit in the second half. It's likely only a timing issue. But it's not material to us, and it's embedded in our guidance.
spk08: Okay. Thank you very much.
spk06: Thank you, Michael.
spk00: Your next question is from Larry Solo with CJS Securities.
spk04: Great. Good morning. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a couple of follow-ups, maybe. Nick, you mentioned sort of the improving mix of services as you head out into 22 and beyond, particularly in environmental. Can you just speak to that more? Is that sort of a culmination? I know you guys have walked away from several contracts over the few years, and it sounds like some contracts are now or new contracts are ramping up. Is that driving the improved mix? Is it, you know, contract-based? Is it more actual services-based? What is driving that?
spk06: Well, it's partially a contract churn, but I would say the larger impact is from the mix shifting more towards applied products than to the mill service contracts. Now, with all that said, I think we really need to focus more on kind of the EBITDA minus CapEx kind of trends. Of course, applied products being less capital intensive. And also the environmental services that we provide also are less capital intensive than the more traditional logistics services that we provide. So we need to look beyond simply EBITDA margin or gross profit margin and also focus on EBITDA minus CapEx margins, and you'll see a pretty notable jump in those in 2022.
spk04: And you mentioned the applied products, which actually obviously had a very strong quarter this quarter, I think, and you mentioned a little bit of a benefit from nickel prices. But do you see this sort of uptick as a sustainable uptick without, at least on the volume side, probably harder to forecast pricing on commodities?
spk06: Yeah, that's a good point. Good point, Larry. We certainly have benefited from higher commodity prices this year, as you as you note. So I'll put that to the side, given that, of course, they're very difficult to predict. But on the volume side, you know, absolutely. Our reed minerals business, as we transform its source material from coal to steel, slag is a very bright outlook, I'll say. the steel faults business, which is the road-based material that we provide largely in the UK, although we are planning to commission some new plants here over the next year or so. That business is a very good business for us and should see nice growth. Alltech as well, right? We talked about Alltech. We've been challenged with during COVID from inking contracts on processing waste from the aluminum industry. I certainly expect that to pick up quite nicely in 2022 and also in the second half year this year. So yeah, there's good reason for optimism in terms of volume of growth in applied products. And again, the margins are good, but even more important, the capital intensity is relatively low.
spk04: Okay. Could you just give us, I realize some of you, there's a little bit of a churn between your clients, but I imagine the base is pretty similar, you know, the same over the last few years. So I know you mentioned utilization at your steel mills is just about 80%, maybe a little bit over 80% in the quarter, and that's sort of back to where we were early 19, before things started to go slide downwards. Over the last five years, is that sort of low 80 number close to the high water mark, or have we been higher at your customers?
spk06: Well, first of all, yeah, I think as Pete mentioned, I said approaching, and Pete indicated that there's still room, and there is. We're kind of at that 80% level in our mills, and a high water mark would be closer to the mid-80s or so. Historically, the average is, 80 to low 80s. And of course, with all the stimulus spending, not just here, but in other markets where we provide services to steel mills, we think there's opportunity beyond that because of the stimulus spending, beyond the historical highs even. And of course, a lot of capacity has been taken out. in mills that we don't serve. So that should lead to higher utilization of the mills that we do.
spk04: Right. Okay. Fair enough. Just last question on the Clean Earth outlook. Sounds like things are certainly improving across segments within Clean Earth. I would have thought maybe sequentially you would have had a better revenue improvement. Usually Q1 is a little bit slower seasonally and sounds like dredging may be coming back a little bit or maybe that's more in the back half of the year or the contaminated material side. So are some of these limiting factors, is it just more the employment, labor issue, and perhaps the incinerator issue you mentioned, or is it maybe I'm splitting hairs a little bit. Just any thoughts on that?
spk01: Yeah, it's a combination of a bunch of things. In the soils business, yes, we did see the momentum this quarter, which is great. But it's still, you know, it's not a rapid uptick. It's going to be building up each quarter a little bit better than the preceding quarter. So we're going to see that trend continue, but it's not a hockey stick by any stretch. So at the top line, that's probably the big driver. At the EBITDA line, it's a combination of things. It's the cost headwinds, the labor shortage headwinds we pointed out during our earlier comments, but also the investments we're making on the G&A side. So we've talked about this before. We're making some investments here. In the G&A front, we've got some IT and rebranding costs, which will be incurring this second half, continue to occur the second half of this year that won't repeat in 22. So it's a combination of all of those factors that kind of mute the otherwise high growth top line there.
spk04: Great. Great. Thanks. I appreciate the call and good luck to you, Pete, as well. Thanks, guys.
spk01: Thanks, Nick.
spk00: Your next question is from Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital.
spk02: Good morning.
spk06: Hey, good morning.
spk02: Just wanted to follow up on those labor issues and cost issues in Clean Earth. Can you offset those with pricing, or do you see those working out as maybe the labor market stabilizes?
spk06: Yeah, well, first of all, the labor challenge is primarily for us with truck drivers. We have a rather large fleet there. of trucks that span the U.S. So that's where the labor shortage is crimping us the most. Of course, there's also inflation in labor costs with respect to truck drivers and others as well. But to answer your direct question, yes, we do expect to be in a position to raise price to offset the impact of that inflation.
spk02: Okay, good. And then on the rail business, you talked about kind of a transit or metro improvement. What sort of drives that improvement? Is that really an economic reopening, or are there government actions that need to happen to get that business going?
spk06: Well, it's both. I think you probably noted that in the infrastructure bill, there's a rather large allocation of stimulus funding to Amtrak. that, that will certainly will certainly help. But yeah, ridership levels have to go up. And I think as I kind of span many of our peer companies and talk to others, it seems as though many are pointing towards after the Labor Day holiday for a return to office, which, which certainly should, should stimulate ridership improvements. So it's, There's really nothing baked into our second half forecast around a recovery in transit. That would be more of a 2022 phenomenon. But at a macro level, some of the shifts are taking place that would suggest that that will happen.
spk02: Okay, great. Thank you. I'll turn it over to Beth to look to you, Pete.
spk09: Thank you very much, Tom.
spk00: Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Again, that is star and the number 1 for questions. Your next question is from Chris Howe with Barrington Research.
spk05: Good morning, everyone, and best wishes, Pete, on your retirement. Thanks, Chris. Yeah, just some of the topics or concerns in the quarter, I guess starting with supply chain issues, and then you also mentioned We've been talking about the labor market as it relates to Clean Earth and some other challenges in the quarter. Can you kind of put these in context, whether that's for the company as a whole or on a segment level basis, as to what kind of impact they had on quarterly results? I know results came in good versus expectations, but just wanted to see kind of what your thoughts were on how these constraints impacted the financials.
spk06: Yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, I'll say that individually and even collectively, I would say that these challenges are not material to our results. In order of impact, It's probably impacting Horseshoe Rail the most, and then I would say Clean Earth, and to a lesser extent on Horseshoe Environmental. So I'd hesitate to quantify it. I would just, again, say that it's not material. And it is labor, as we've mentioned. It's also, you know, inflation issues. But in rail, we have a very global supply chain. And many countries, as we all know, continue to be in the depths of the COVID pandemic and impacting their economies. So both on the supply chain side, as well as on the revenue side, in terms of bookings that we expected in parts of Asia and Latin America, are just not happening. And we certainly view all that to be temporary. We're hearing the right things from our potential customers and suppliers that this will pass, but it hasn't yet. So, yes, it's holding us back. Again, I'd hesitate to quantify it, but, again, it's not material.
spk05: Okay. Okay. And then just going off those last comments surrounding the rail segment, certainly the positive part of my thesis on HARCO is the transit and metros have yet to come back. You mentioned that as a 50% approximate mix of the rail segment. As we think about that portion of your business versus freight, can you talk about or compare or contrast the mix of business within those two buckets? And once transit and metros starts to show some level of recovery, how that would change your mix of business as we look further out into fiscal year 22?
spk06: Well, in transit, we have a, generally speaking, a richer mix because a good chunk of the revenue is derived from our technology products. which have a very healthy margin. In fact, I would imagine that within the allocation and the infrastructure bill to Amtrak, that we'd see opportunities for our safety and measurement and diagnostic technology products, which have very healthy margins. Um, so I, I, I would think that, and of course the, the balance piece of that is the aftermarket in, in Asia, which is, which is freight in China, right? Um, but I, I'd say in general, as, as the transits, uh, begin to, uh, uh, to pick up that, that the mix for us should improve.
spk05: Excellent. That's perfect. And then, uh, Okay, and then one last question just to wrap things up. You talked about the improvement. It wasn't a rapid improvement in contaminated soils, whether it's contaminated or other parts of the business that are recovering. As we look at now versus three or four months ago, you did well versus expectations, but could you perhaps talk about something that may be did a little bit better than you expected three to four months ago, as we kind of dig into what comprised the results.
spk06: Yeah, well, certainly in Harsko Environmental, volumes probably surprised a bit on the upside, I would say. I'll speak more on the EBITDA line here for a moment. I think the ongoing benefits from the integration of Clean Earth into ESOL have probably been a little stronger than we anticipated. And that, of course, is helping the EBITDA margins as well in Clean Earth. But I would say in terms of volume on hazardous waste, probably pretty close to our expectations, I would say. And, you know, we've continued to await the bounce back in contaminated soil volume. And so that's held us back a bit and was, although it's, again, higher than it was in the first quarter, still probably a little bit weaker than we would have hoped.
spk05: Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions and great quarters. Thank you.
spk00: The next question is from Jeff Hammond with KeyBank.
spk07: Hey, morning, guys.
spk01: Hey, Jeff. Hi, Jeff.
spk07: Just trying to get a sense of what's precluding you from getting more positive, like, within the guide on environmental. It just seems like, you know, great momentum into 2Q, and it seems like, you know, production's moving higher into the second half.
spk06: Yeah, part of it, Jeff, is that, as you know, we've been for a handful of years now really focusing on exiting contracts that don't provide the returns and then investing in new contracts that do. Some of those new contracts have been slower to ramp up based on permitting issues and customer issues. I'm thinking in China, for example. and some other geographies. So that has held us back a bit. Again, that's a timing-related matter. So that's what I'd probably point to as the largest kind of challenge and not having a stronger outlook for the second half. It's still, of course, quite strong. sequentially and year over year, and even by historical standards. Our EBITDA and HE will be approaching that of 2018, which was a multi-year high. We probably won't get quite there. We'll likely meet or beat the 2019 EBITDA and volume But no, I'm overall happy with what we're seeing in the market and how we're executing. Do I wish that some of these new contracts were ramping up more quickly? Absolutely. But again, it's a timing issue, and we'll see the benefit of that in 2022.
spk07: Okay, great. And then just on clean earth, I mean, clearly a lot of inflation. You talked about some of the issues. Just Maybe talk about what you're doing on price. It seems like, you know, this is a price-taking market. And then just dovetailing that into ESOL, I think one of the issues they had was not, you know, pushing price. And I think you're going to, you know, go after kind of strategic pricing, you know, initiatives. So just update us on those two things. Okay.
spk06: Well, certainly a portion of the 30 million or so of benefits that we've received upon integration has been price. I mean, it's not the largest component, but we have certainly taken advantage of some of what you mentioned with respect to previous ESOL practices on pricing. And so there is some benefit that we've derived to date over the last 18 months or so from that. Going forward, we really haven't yet built in probably to the extent that I might like to see some pricing benefits. But you're right. This is a market that should enable us to see more benefit from pricing. And those discussions are on the table as we speak. but not necessarily built into our outlook for the second half.
spk07: Within Clean Earth, what's typically the transition timing to get a price increase through, if you're doing a follow-on or something like that?
spk06: Yeah, I don't have a good sense of that, Jeff. I don't know, Pete, if you... No, it's obviously... It's not an across-the-board... exercise that affects everyone the same amount. But I can say historically, looking back over the last five years in clean earth, you know, price has exceeded inflation. And so that's dynamic has been accretive to margins. Okay. Thanks a lot.
spk08: Thank you.
spk00: We have a follow-up question from Michael Hoffman with Stifel.
spk08: Yeah, just to hitchhike on the last bit, I mean, you know, just so everybody's clear, cleaners pricing issues because it gets down to waste codes. It's not quite like, you know, you can just say I'm going to raise price broadly on all chemical companies. It's really a waste code issue. That's why you're I think why you're being reserved in your comment there. Yeah. My question is, you know, this is a market that keeps looking for momentum, commentary, or actions by companies, and I think you have a momentum aspect of your story in the sequential improvement. You raised guidance in one cube, so you did it. But what's the bias in your guidance? Is it solidly at the midpoint, or is it an upper half perspective, given that it's been raised?
spk06: Okay, well, I'll say what you expect me to say, solidly at the midpoint.
spk08: I was hoping you were going to say upper half. That's right. Okay. And what would cause it to be upper half then? What has to happen?
spk06: Yeah, I would say some of these COVID-related challenges in rail and clean earth in particular would need to abate. I think that would be one. We've talked about pricing, you know, a bit. Clearly, commodity prices, you know, staying robust in HE would help us. The faster than anticipated ramp up of new contracts in HE, of course, would be a good thing for us. And then some of these large contaminated materials projects that I mentioned are in a pipeline, but the visibility on timing is poor, and we're not expecting a significant lift from those in the second half of the year, of course, that could happen.
spk08: Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you.
spk00: I will now turn the call back over to Dave Martin, closing remarks.
spk03: Thanks, Misty, and thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning. Feel free to contact me with any follow-up questions, and as always, we appreciate your interest in Harsco, and Look forward to speaking with you soon. Take care. Bye.
spk00: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating.
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