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2/10/2025
Good afternoon, my name is Dilem and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the INSPIRE Medical Systems fourth quarter and full year 2024 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there'll be a question and answer session. I'll now hand the call over to your first speaker, Ezgi Yaja, the Vice President of Investor Relations at INSPIRE. You may begin the conference.
Thank you, Dilem, and thank you all for participating in today's call. Joining me are Tim Herbert, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Rick Buhl, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, we released financial results for the three and 12 months ended December 31, 2024. A copy of the press release is available on our website. On this call, management will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. All forward-looking statements, including Without limitation, those relating to our operations, financial results and financial condition, investments in our business, full year 2025 financial and operational outlook, and changes in market access are based upon our current estimates and various assumptions. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these statements. Please see our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our Form 10-K, which we filed with the SEC earlier this afternoon, for a description of these risks and uncertainties. INSPIRE disclaims any intention or obligation, except as required by law, to update or revise any financial projections or forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise. This conference call contains time-sensitive information and speaks only as of the live broadcast today, February 10th, 2025. With that, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Tim Herbert. Tim?
Thank you, Ezgi. And thanks, everyone, for joining our business update call for the fourth quarter and full year 2024. 2024 was filled with many important milestones, including surpassing 90,000 patients treated with Inspire Therapy, exceeding 350 peer-reviewed publications, the US FDA approval of the INSPIRE-5 Neural Stimulator, European Union medical device regulation approval, which included full-body MRI compatibility, the approval of country-wide reimbursement in France, and our first full year of profitability. We continue to strengthen our leadership team and recently announced an organizational change aimed at fueling our future growth. We welcome the new chief manufacturing and quality officer, Jason Kelly, who will lead our supply chain quality assurance and regulatory teams. Carlton Weatherby was promoted to the expanded role of chief strategy and growth officer and assumed leadership of the U.S. sales and marketing teams. Randy Ban transitioned to the newly created role of Executive Vice President of Patient Access and Therapy Development. A new team tasked with enhancing therapy outcomes and patient access, increasing focus on research and clinical evidence development, and leading our key opinion leader communications and medical society relationships. Randy will also continue to lead our international teams. The organization is energized by these enhancements and we look forward to another year of strong execution in 2025. Earlier in the year, we pre-announced that we generated revenue of $239.7 million, representing a 25% increase compared to the fourth quarter of 2023. Given our strong performance, we are reiterating our full year 2025 revenue guidance of $940 to $955 million, representing 17 to 19% growth year over year. Net income for the fourth quarter was $35.2 million compared to $14.8 million in the prior year period. represented diluted net income of $1.15 per share compared to 49 cents per share in the fourth quarter of 2023. With this, we are excited to announce that 2024 was our first full year of profitability with diluted net income of $1.75 per share compared to a loss of 72 cents in 2023. Further, we generated $130 million in operating cash flow for the full year, and we plan to improve profitability in 2025. As such, in 2025, we expect diluted net income to be in the range of $2.10 to $2.20 per share. As you know, in 2024, we received FDA approval for the Inspire 5 Neural Stimulation System. A key feature of the Inspire 5 device is that it incorporates respiratory sensing internal to the neural stimulator, eliminating the need to implant the pressure sensing lead. This feature is designed to provide benefit to the patient with one fewer component, to the physician with reduced surgical time, and to the company with reduced production complexity and costs. Further, the Inspire 5 device provides the capability for future software-based enhancements, including sleep detection for auto-activation and sleep performance tracking. We have already gained valuable experience with the Inspire 5 device with systems implanted in both Singapore and in the U.S., and early feedback has been positive. We are continuing with our limited market release in the US, and we will continue to gain further experience with Inspire 5 procedures at additional US sites as we move towards full launch during the year. The primary factor driving the timing of our full launch remains building sufficient inventory to support the expected demand in the US. For the procedures performed in the U.S. to date, all cases utilized CPT code 64568 and received prior authorization from the insurance carriers. CPT code 64568 was originally used by Inspire for the first eight years since our approval in 2014 and accurately describes the Inspire 5 procedure, namely one neurostimulator and one stimulation lead. The current CPT code 64582 was only incorporated a few years ago and will continue to be used with all Inspire 4 cases. We want to emphasize that the professional fee in CPT code 64568 appropriately reflects the reduced work of implanting the Inspire 5 system, specifically the elimination of implanting the pressure sensing leads. The surgical placement of the sensing lead has long been a source of discomfort for ENT surgeons as it is not where they typically operate. We believe the resultant reduction in surgical time associated with not placing the sensing lead will result in a comparable reimbursement rate for the surgeon on a time-adjusted basis. Further, we believe the benefits of surgeon comfort and confidence with the INSPIRE V procedure will free up surgeon time to perform additional INSPIRE cases and will encourage more surgeons to adopt INSPIRE therapy. The new INSPIRE SleepSync programming system has been fully launched in the United States. The goal for the new system is to provide more efficient patient programming and improved access to patient data to assist the health care provider in their decision making. A key feature of this system is that health care providers may utilize their own laptop or tablet and simply log into SleepSync to access programming screens. With this upgrade, Inspire is no longer required to provide laptops or tablets, further reducing operational complexities. With respect to our market development activities, we continue to advance our medical education programs. And in 2024, we hosted over 300 advanced practice providers, 300 ENT residents, and 150 sleep fellows at INSPIRE training programs. The primary focus of our APP, or Advanced Practice Provider Initiative, is to improve capacity in both sleep and ENT clinics to meet the strong patient demand we continue to see for Inspire Therapy. In 2025, we plan to increase the investments we are making in our medical education programs, including ongoing resident fellowship and APP training, continued participation in cardiology and primary care conferences, and initiating a continuing medical education program to support the awareness and adoption of Inspire Therapy in cardiology and primary care. We focus our patient marketing and education programs to deliver broad therapy awareness, as well as provide a pathway for patients to connect with a healthcare provider that offers Inspire through our website and advisor care program. In 2024, we designed our outreach programs to be more targeted. And one example is with our digital advertising strategy, which has contributed to a significant increase in patient engagement at a lower cost. In 2025 and beyond, we plan to continue to invest in our robust marketing programs with the goal of further enhancing patient awareness of Inspire Therapy and improving a patient's ability to connect with a healthcare provider. An exciting example to improve the patient experience is with digital scheduling, an online tool used by our advisor care program to directly submit electronic appointment requests to qualified healthcare providers on behalf of prospective patients. We currently have 300 centers using this tool, and we plan to expand this program in 2025. On the market access front, We continue to make progress updating our commercial payer policies to our expanded FDA labeling. Additionally, we facilitate patient access to Inspire Therapy by assisting patients in obtaining prior authorization coverage decisions from payers. In this regard, we have steadily expanded our prior authorization team to enhance our ability to provide this assistance. Before I turn the call over to Rick, I would like to provide one additional update. On January 17th, we received a civil investigative demand from the Department of Justice. The CID requests information relating to the marketing, promotion, and reimbursement practices associated with our products. We intend to fully cooperate with the investigation and provide the information requested. We are confident in the strength of our compliance programs and procedures, and we remain committed to conducting our business ethically and in compliance with applicable laws and regulations. In summary, we remain focused on the patient to continue the growth and adoption of Inspire Therapy. We will execute our growth strategy of driving higher quality patient flow and increasing the capacity of our provider partners to effectively treat and manage more patients. Our key strategies include adding advanced practice providers, certifying additional surgeons qualified to implant-inspired therapy, and driving the adoption of SleepSync and our digital tools, all of which are embedded strategies in our commercial team's objective to increase provider capacity. Looking ahead, we remain excited about our future and our confidence that we have the appropriate strategy in place to drive long-term stakeholder value. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Rick for his review of our financials.
Thank you, Tim, and good afternoon, everyone. Total revenue for the quarter was $239.7 million, a 25% increase from the $192.5 million generated in the fourth quarter of 2023. U.S. revenue in the quarter was $231.6 million, an increase of 22% from the $189.4 million in the prior year period. Revenue outside the U.S. was $8.1 million, which was a 163% increase year over year. In the fourth quarter, we added 72 new U.S. centers, bringing the total to 1,435 active U.S. centers. as well as 12 new U.S. sales territories, bringing the total to 335 U.S. sales territories. Gross margin in the quarter was 85%. Total operating expenses for the quarter were $171.8 million, an increase of 11% as compared to $155.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2023. This plan increase was primarily due to the expansion of our sales organization and increased general corporate costs, partially offset by a reduction in R&D and patient marketing and education expenses year over year. Interest and dividend income totaled $5.5 million in the quarter compared to $5.9 million in the prior year period. Operating income for the quarter told $31.9 million compared to $9.3 million in the prior year period. Net income for the quarter was $35.2 million or a 15% net income margin compared to net income of $14.8 million or 8% net income margin in the prior year period. This represented diluted net income per share of $1.15 compared to 49 cents in the fourth quarter of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA totaled 62.7 million or a 26% adjusted EBITDA margin in the fourth quarter compared to adjusted EBITDA of 33 million or a 17% adjusted EBITDA margin in the fourth quarter of 2023. The weighted average number of diluted shares outstanding in the quarter was 30.8 million. We are excited to announce that we generated 69 million in operating cash flow during the fourth quarter, bringing the full year total to 130 million and increasing our total cash and investment balances to 517 million at December 31. This strong cash position allows us to remain focused on executing our growth strategies. For the full year 2024, revenue totaled 802.8 million. a 28% increase over $624.8 million in 2023. U.S. revenue was $771 million, a 27% increase year over year, while revenue outside the U.S. totaled $31.8 million, a 71% year over year growth. Operating income totaled $36.1 million for full year 2024, compared to an operating loss of $40.3 million in 2023. Net income was $53.5 million for full year 2024, a 7% net income margin compared to a net loss of $21.2 million for full year 2023, a 3% net loss margin. Adjusted EBITDA totaled $157.8 million for 2024, a 20% adjusted EBITDA margin compared to adjusted EBITDA of $44.9 million and a 7% adjusted EBITDA margin in 2023. Full year diluted net income per share totaled $1.75 compared to a net loss of $0.72 per share in 2023. Moving on to 2025 guidance. We continue to expect full year revenue to be in the range of $940 to $955 million, representing an increase of 17% to 19% compared to full year 2024 revenue, and we expect full year gross margin to be in the range of 84% to 86%. We expect diluted net income for the full year 2025 will be between $2.10 to $2.20 per share. As previously discussed, we'll no longer guide to or report on centers. However, to give you a sense of how our commercial organization is scaling, we will continue to provide territories and field clinical representatives going forward. Although not formal guidance, we would like to provide additional color on 2025. Now that we have reached profitability, we expect our reported tax rate in 2025 to be roughly 10% primarily related to state and local taxes. Excluding the impact of any share repurchases that we make complete over the remainder of 2025, we expect the full year diluted shares outstanding to be approximately $31 million. In conclusion, our strong performance and business momentum provide us with confidence in our outlook for 2025. With that, our prepared remarks are concluded. Dulem, you may now open the line for questions.
Thank you, sir. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. We ask that you please keep your questions to no more than one question and one follow-up And if time permits, we'll be more than happy to take more questions. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. I'm sure our first question comes from the line of Travis Steed from Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks for taking the question.
I wanted to first ask about the EPS guidance. Should we assume a linear path to profitability here, assuming there's some conservatism kind of built into the 2025 EPS guidance? And then also wanted to ask about the the DOJ CID as well. Thanks a lot.
Sure. Hey, Travis. I'll take the first part of the question. On earnings per share guidance, we are committed to improving our annual operating margin on a year-over-year basis. And given our revenue seasonality that we've had traditionally from Q4 to Q1, We do not expect to be profitable in the first quarter, but then we'll have sequential improvement thereafter on a quarterly basis throughout the year.
And on the DOJ CID?
Absolutely. We received that January 17th. It's very new. It's obviously active, so there's only so much detail that we can provide, but we're committed to working with the inquiry and provide the information that's necessary. We're committed to conducting our business ethically and in compliance with applicable laws and regulations and to working with our customers and other value partners continue to provide high quality medical devices. We do not anticipate that the investigation will interfere with the important work we're doing to improve the lives of patients who need our products. As noticed, the investigation remains ongoing as such. Really don't have additional comments or details at this time.
Great. I understand. Thanks a lot.
Thanks, Travis.
Thank you. And I show our next question. It comes from the line of Danielle Entalfi from UDS. Please go ahead.
hey good afternoon guys thanks so much for taking the question um tim i wanted to follow up on um the commentary around the 300 centers that are doing the the automated scheduling or online scheduling or um however you characterize it sorry if i'm mischaracterizing it but have you seen um what have you seen from a growth perspective at those centers have you seen growth accelerate from a patient volume perspective Or maybe the right way to ask the question is more streamlined process. Maybe talk a little bit about what you've seen at those centers, what kind of impact that's having on the ability to work through volumes. And one quick follow-up question on INSPIRE 5 and reimbursement, your favorite topic.
No problem. Hi, Danielle. Let's take it back a little bit. You've been with us for a while tracking the story. We did a pilot program a few years ago. And what we want to do is measure the success of patient appointments using digital scheduling as compared to the normal pathway, which would be through direct phone calls or via email between the center and the patient. And we saw a significant advantage by using the digital scheduling, meaning the advisor program, advisor care program has direct linkage into the center to send the patient appointment request directly. And it really streamlined that process. Therefore, in 2024, we started to ramp up the number of centers that were participating in that program. And we ended the year at about 300 centers. And it's a big initiative as we start this year to continue to take advantage of the technology to improve the patient's ability to make an appointment. So we're going to keep pushing that program based on the success of the pilot program we saw a couple years ago.
Okay, that's helpful. And then just on Inspire 5 reimbursement, appreciate the commentary you provided thus far. I mean, one of the things we talk about, and I know you and I have spoken about this in the past, is physician reimbursement. And maybe you could talk a little bit about what you're hearing from your physicians. whether they're happy with reimbursement as it is, or is that a barrier, I guess I should ask, to physicians doing the procedure if the physician fee does come down a little bit? Thanks so much.
Absolutely. Thanks, Danielle. We don't believe it's going to be a barrier. In fact, we think it's the opposite. It's going to be opportunistic. I think the purpose of Inspire 5 was to remove a key barrier that we had with ENT surgeons And that was the placement of the pressure sensing lead in the chest wall of the patient, which is just not where they operate every day. Therefore, with the accomplishment of five, it is reduced work, but it's the right kind of reduction of work so that ENTs can focus on their strength, placing the electrodes, tunneling, and placing the neural stimulator. And that's the feedback that we saw with the cases in Singapore. and the centers that we already have in planning patients in the United States to date, the feedback is exactly that, wow, we're not in planning the pressure sensing lead anymore, and they're able to progress to the next case. And with that, we believe there's going to be reduced surgical time, and the reimbursement will be on a time-adjusted rate, will be consistent between Inspire 4 and Inspire 5, allowing them to do more cases in the day. And the reimbursement for ambulatory surgical centers is actually higher. So for those surgeons who have a stake in their ASC, there's a benefit to be able to bring more Inspire cases to the ASC. So we don't think it's going to be a barrier. I think that there's talk early on, of course, about the rates. But once we move further into a limited launch and into full launch, We don't think this will be a barrier as physicians will quickly progress. If I can add one more topic to this. What we talked about last year quite a bit with physician reimbursement or the professional fee is making sure that the ENTs have efficiencies in their practice. And that's what we talk about when we talk about APPs or advanced practice providers to ensure that the APPs are able to educate the patients in the office to be able to help streamline the patient flow or help them navigate through the practice. And the surgeon focuses on performing the surgical implant of Inspire, thereby maximizing their time and really taking care of the reimbursement. So we don't think it's going to be a barrier as we move into Inspire 4 or Inspire 5 as we progress into the year.
Gotcha. Thanks so much.
Thank you.
Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Robbie Marcus from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Oh, great. Thanks for taking the questions and very nice profitability. Maybe for Rick, considering that we are going from a limited launch to a full launch of Inspire 5 sometime during the year, how do you want us to think about the phasing of revenues and expenses and margin as we go through the year. You talked about negative EPS in the first quarter, but how should we think about where, you know, how you want us maybe versus historicals, and do you think the street's in a good spot for first quarter to start the year? Thanks.
Yeah, hey, thanks, Robbie. Yeah, we normally don't discuss consensus, but You know, given the Inspire 5 launch dynamics, we did make some comments earlier this year about Q1. And generally, we are comfortable with Q1 estimates. But, you know, we do expect to see sequential improvement in revenue throughout the year after we have our seasonality in the first quarter. And we're going to continue to make investments in our business and R&D. as well as continue with our expansion of our footprint. We will continue adding sales territories and adding centers. We're not going to be guiding to it, but generally it will probably be in line with our historical trend. So we'll continue to increase expenses throughout the year. But with that, the increase of sequential growth and revenue, profitability will follow.
Great. And maybe one, just on GLP-1s, I know it's painful to bring it up, but it just got added to one of the labels for sleep apnea. I wanted to see what, if anything, you're seeing in the field, the clinical discussions, and just the latest on how you see INSPIRE fitting into the equation. Thanks a lot.
Sure. And Thanks, Ravi. We don't see GOP-1 as a difficult subject. Of course, we spent a lot of time talking about it. As you realized or just stated, it just came on label, and I think we're still trying to understand how it's going to be covered and really what the strategy is to be able to educate the sleep physicians and what the distribution plan is. That being said, we haven't seen the tailwind yet, but we believe it's coming. What's going to really help patients lose weight and reduce their lateral wall collapse to be able to qualify for INSPIRE. We continue to believe that this is a benefit for INSPIRE and for patients to help them lose weight whereby they wouldn't qualify for INSPIRE. So we continue to work with our sites. We have several single sites that are conducting early work to try and measure. the success of helping patients lose weight and qualify for INSPIRE. And we'll continue to monitor and report back. But I think it's still pretty early on. And, again, we haven't seen the tailwind yet.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, Robbie.
Thank you. And I show our next question. It comes from the line of Chris Pasquale from Nefron Research. Go ahead.
Yeah, thanks. Rick, you made great progress in 24 on profitability. As I look at the 25 guidance, I know you said you're committed to improve margins for the year, but it doesn't seem like it's implying the same kind of leverage that we saw last year. So when we think about the big buckets for spending, R&D was down in 24. I think you said the DTC was going to kind of flatten out. Should we expect any of those to really ramp up here, or what else is implied in the earnings guidance that you guys gave?
Sure. With our guidance of $2.10 to $2.20 per share, Chris, we do expect that revenue growth will continue to outpace OPEX growth. DTC, we're expecting that to be flat year over year, so roughly $94 million. R&D will probably run mid-teens as a percentage of revenue. And so, and we also mentioned the tax rate will be roughly 10%. And so it does imply with our guidance that we will have a low single digit operating income margin. So there will be some improvement. Um, but we are committed to improving our, our annual margin, uh, improvement and, but we are going to continue to, uh, invest in long-term growth. We're, we're very lowly penetrated in our potential market. as well as the number of surgeons, as well as centers. So we're in this for the long term. And on a longer-term basis, we still believe that we can still reach 30% operating margins.
And with the INSPIRE 5 launch, when you do make that transition, is there any sort of near-term impact on gross margin that we should think about? Is that initial inventory coming through going to be higher cost of production, or is that not a factor?
No factor. We did increase our annual gross margin guidance to 84% to 86%. So that does include a tailwind in the gross margin from Inspire 5. If there's any short-term items, we don't see that at this time.
Great. Thank you.
Chris, got to give you a shout-out. Congratulations. Fly, Eagles, fly.
Thanks, Tim. Thank you. And I'm sure our next question comes from the line of Anthony Petrone from Mizuho Financial Group. Please go ahead.
Thanks, and I'll second the congrats to Pasquale. It was a great game for the Eagles. Maybe a couple on Inspire 5, Tim. Just when we think about, you know, you're ended the year at a little bit over 1,400 centers. Can you share how many centers in the United States actually have Inspire 5 at this point? You know, and at what point do you expect that to be fully launched throughout all sites in the United States? And the quick follow-up will just be on the sites that are doing it in the United States and Singapore. You know, can you share, you know, how many cases they are doing per day? Like, what is the uptick in daily cases at those early adopter sites? Thanks.
Absolutely. Thanks. I think the key is Singapore... started earlier, and we mentioned earlier in the year that they had done 40 of a plan, I think 46, and they've accomplished a couple more since then, but they're going to complete that group. Then we did the first cases in Pittsburgh, as we mentioned earlier. Since we've opened up just a couple additional sites with several additional plans in the next month, and we'll keep ramping the limited market release as we move forward. Again, the limiting factor to our full launch is building of our products, and that continues to be, we're progressing there, so that's real positive. But we're learning quite a bit as we continue to increase the number of centers during the limited market release. Scaling up the LMR through the year and when we have proper quantities to do the full launch, we will broadly launch the product.
Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Richard Newiter from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I'll just try to squeeze two quick ones. And congrats on the profit this quarter. I guess the first, I think you had spoken to the past about a back half versus first half waiting, in part due to Inspire 5. Could you just reconcile that with the comment that you feel comfortable with 1Q, and maybe just help us understand what the magnitude of that first half, second half might look like. And then just second, in your 10K, you said that you're looking to drive an increase in utilization that established centers or growth in center utilization. I guess, could you just talk about what exactly that means? I know you're not giving utilization growth guidance anymore, but just is there anything in that that you can parse out for us? Thanks.
Sure. Again, regarding guidance, we provide annual guidance. We don't like to speak too much on the quarterly breakdown, but We do expect our seasonality, we are comfortable with Q1 where estimates are at, and we expect to have sequential growth thereafter. You can look back historically on what our sequential growth has been. We're not signing off on that, but we're really expecting to have continued increase in our sequential revenue as we have done in the past from a revenue standpoint. There's still a lot of moving parts with the Inspire 5 launch, and the biggest one is making sure we have adequate inventory on hand. But we're very excited. This is our largest product launch in the history of the company, and so we're excited to get the full launch going. And then on your second question, we are in our guidance assumptions. We are assuming Inspire 5 launch in our guidance, but we're not really assuming much impact to our throughput. We didn't specify utilization-rich so much, but we did say that we're going to continue to expand our footprint of territories and centers, and that's generally in line with what we've done historically. We're no longer providing those metrics, but we will give you an update on sales reps and field clinical reps going forward.
Okay, but just to be clear, there's no major difference on first half, second half seasonality versus prior years in your current guidance because of Inspire 5?
No, I mean, you've seen our historicals, though. It builds throughout the year, right, because we have seasonality that resets in Q1, and then generally revenue builds throughout the year.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
And I show our next question comes from the line of David Rescott from Baird.
Please go ahead. Great. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on the finish of the year here. Two from us, and maybe I'll ask both of them up front. You know, obviously have the heard the comments on the cadence for the full year broadly. I'm curious if you can maybe parse out whether or not international and specific is something that should be creative to the growth. And then when you think about the pieces on the P&L for 2025, heard the comments on tax and spend, but just curious what your assumption is maybe for interest income, which is a bigger component of the P&L. Thank you.
Sure. Thanks for your questions. Regarding OUS revenue, it has trended for quite some time to be between 3% and 4% of our worldwide revenue. That will continue for the foreseeable future into 2025. As quickly as the US is growing, it's hard to keep pace, given it's between 3% and 4% of our worldwide revenue. We don't expect that to change in 2025. And then your other question.
Interest income, only $20 million for the year.
Did you catch that? $20 million for the year, roughly $5 million per quarter for interest income.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you. And I show our next question. It comes from the line of Adam Nader from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Hi, Tim and Rick. Congrats on the leverage in the quarter, and thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start with one on Gen 5. You know, in our checks, it's been pretty consistent. The fifth gen device should unlock faster procedure times and drive increased capacity. But I guess the question is, how do you help kind of ensure that the extra OR capacity is allocated to INSPIRE versus the other ENT procedures that the doc has on his or her plate? And, you know, is there anything that you can do to kind of help the doc stack INSPIRE cases? And then I'd follow up. Thanks.
Yeah, no, I think that's a really important item. And we work with the ENTs to look at what are the other procedures that are demanding your time. And we did a search on our own with CPT codes of general ENT procedures to look on a permanent basis what competes with INSPIRE. And in turn, INSPIRE is at the higher end of the list for those procedures that our ENTs are performing. The key to it is building the efficiencies to it such that the ENTs, probably some of the ENTs that you talked about in your checks, are the high volume implanters. And they have support teams to be able to educate patients, help navigate patients, whereas the surgeons can spend a lot of their time in the operating room. And if they have partners that can also participate in doing implants. And so we need to make sure that we build the efficiencies So they can spend more time in the OR. And then the key is to set case dates. And that's really the priority for us this year, too, where when they come in the morning, they know this is an inspired day. And so it's not just for the surgeon. It's for everybody in the OR suite. They know what procedures are happening. They know what equipment and what surgical trays to have in there. And everybody can perform at a high level. It's even down to the reimbursement. The reimbursement people know it's an Inspire Day, so they know what codes to be able to use in that day for those cases. So it's about driving consistency and really starting to stack case days and show the benefit of Inspire 5. With the reduced time, make sure the OR supervisor understands that, such as they add another case. without risking going into a second shift or an overtime. But on the other hand, they don't want the lights out in that OR suite either. So it's all about building the efficiencies, and we think Inspire 5 is really going to build the confidence and the comfort for the ENTs to do so.
That's a really helpful color, Tim. Thanks for all that. And just one quick one on gross margin for Rick. 84% to 86% for the full year is the guidance. Just wanted to kind of maybe flesh out some of the key assumptions there, and I guess specifically the impact from the Gen 5 launch. You know, how much of a positive contributor is Gen 5 to gross margin this year, or do we see more of kind of a pronounced impact benefit to gross margin in 26? Thank you.
Sure. Um, we did increase our guidance by, you know, a hundred basis points at, at the midpoint and we have assumed the inspire five launch, um, in our guidance. Um, and we've, we've, I think we've captured it with the tailwind of inspire five, but you know, 2026 would, you know, it would be a first full year of, of, of the impact it more so in 26 and in 25, given that we're already into February.
Thank you. And I show our next question. It comes from the line of Larry Bibelson from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Tim, could you talk for a minute about just the logistics of transitioning back to the cranial nerve stimulation code? How does that work for Medicare and commercial patients? And do you envision a period of time when centers do both, you know, Inspire 4 and 5? And I had one follow-up.
Sure. I think three years ago we transitioned from 64568 to 64582 and here we are by eliminating the pressure sensor we're transitioning right back. And so we've done this and we've worked with the payers and a lot of them still have the 64568 still in their system. The key to it is making sure we update the software at the payers in CMS such that when the hospitals or the centers and ASCs build that code that it goes through. So we work with every payer to make sure that the policies are updated to include both codes, including with CMS to have both codes. Because to your point, as they work down the Inspire 4 inventory, there may be a short period of time where they are using both codes. question about that. And while we have several sites on the Inspire 5 limited launch now using 64568, those centers are in fact also doing Inspire 4 cases. So it's a little bit of hand-holding up front. But again, as we mentioned, we expect a full launch through the year and transition by the end of the year. So most sites will all, and the payers will all be transitioned over by then.
That's helpful. And Tim, what are you assuming in the guidance for
competition and any potential warehousing of patients before you know the full launch of inspire five thank you absolutely I think competition we it's been very quiet we don't know anything there and you'll have to do that inquiry on your own but we know that if they get approval that there will be some experimenting with some of the academic centers so we're prepared for that and we include that into our guide no question about that We also know that as we transition into five, there will be patients that will want to wait. We believe that to be quite limited now, but there are patients who are aware of five and that it's forthcoming and that they may want to choose to wait. But we don't think we're seeing a lot of that yet. But as we continue to ramp up, we'll monitor that very closely. But again, we do kind of build that into our guide as well.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Shagun Singh from RBC. Please go ahead.
Great. Thank you so much. I guess just to follow up on the DOJ investigation, are you maybe willing to share what your initial assessment is of the time and scope of this investigation? Any next steps or potential timelines you can share and estimates around potential costs to be incurred? Do you have a third party looking into this? Just curious if you can share anything in addition to what you already have.
Sure. We just received it on January 17th. We're just still in the very early stages. We're committed to conducting our business ethically and in compliance with applicable laws and regulations. We'll work with all our customers and other valued partners to continue to provide the Inspire products. We do not anticipate that the investigation will interfere with the work that we do to improve the lives of our patients. And again, so early on, we just can't provide the details. But again, we have confidence in our policies, and we'll continue to work closely with the investigation to provide the information that they need.
Got it. And then I was hoping you can touch a little bit on your guidance philosophy. You know, you're obviously exiting 2024 on a pretty high note, you know, 25% year-over-year growth. You're guiding to, you know, high teens. You know, what are you assuming, you know, in terms of a step down besides large numbers? It seems it's just that. But then what factors can really help you deliver another year of 2025 growth. It seems like the Inspire 5 launch, you said it's going to be, you know, a bit of a phased commercial launch. So maybe help us think through how you thought about the guidance and what you factored in for Inspire 5. Thank you.
Thank you. We build a detailed plan at the beginning of the year. We take into account all the elements that you identified, Rick, earlier. I had identified many of those elements as well as far as the tailwinds and and even some challenges we see to build a detailed model. It's earlier in the year and so as we progress we see we'll continue to open up new centers but we expect the majority of our growth to come from increased work at existing centers or same store sales and we'll continue to scale our field team to be able to continue our growth and continue to invest in our growth going forward. Rick talked about continuing our DTC program consistent with prior year. And we're going to continue to invest in our R&D. And again, very excited about launching Inspire 5 as we move into the year.
Thank you.
Thank you. And I show our next question. It comes from the line of Brett Fishpin from KeyBank. Please go ahead.
Hey, Tim and Rick. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Just one from me was hoping you could provide a bit more color on where you currently stand around the inventory build for Inspire 5 ahead of the full market launch. It feels like this keeps coming up really as the primary driver of timing. And then maybe if you could just touch on if there was any barriers with the production process that was preventing this from happening as fast as you ideally wanted. Thank you.
Sure. We are opening up a brand new production line, or I should say we have opened a brand new production line. Those are units off that line have been implanted in Singapore, did the first implants last year in the U.S., and additional sites here this year. It is an active production line. We are building inventory, and we are starting to scale that production line. So with every new line, as you continue to scale up, we continue to make sure that We find efficiencies, and then we add to the capacity of that production line. So the team is there today and working hard to continue to produce product and scale that up. We did not disrupt the Inspire 4 production line, which continues to manufacture product today. Because again, once we transition to the United States, we do not have approval in Europe to be able to do Inspire 5. So Inspire 4 will be needed into the future. We are building a brand new production line. It's just a normal process of going through the setup process. It's fully qualified. It is active. And we are in the process of scaling right now.
It's super helpful. And just really quick follow up on that one. Is there a general target level of inventory either in dollars or maybe like weeks of cases that you're trying to get to?
Without specifically stating a number, really what we're preventing, we don't want to start-stop. We will have Inspire 4, but once we transition to 5, we want to go. And so we're going to keep on a limited launch as we build up that inventory and keep increasing the number of centers as we scale up. But once we go to a full launch, we want to make sure that we have inventory to go forward. Again, we just do not want to start-stop and having to go back to 4 and then restart 5. So we're going to be a little bit careful about that.
All right. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of John block from people.
Thanks guys. Good afternoon. Maybe just a follow up in that last one, you know, for inspire five, I think I'm just trying to get a better feel for, you know, how back and weighted it is or how it ramps throughout the year. And, you know, Tim, is it fair to say, look, this is going to be less than 5% of the overall procedures in one queue? Seems like you're certainly targeting full conversion in four queue. I mean, do we think about it surpassing 50% of vols, you know, in the third quarter? Maybe you could just talk about the cadence and how we get there over the four quarters, and then I'll ask a follow-up.
Yeah, John, I think you generally are describing it correctly. As we start to to ramp it up. I think that we want to be transitioned by the end of the year. I think it's certainly safe to say we're less than 5% in the first quarter. And it just kind of grows through the year as we progress. So the way you describe it, generally, we're comfortable with that.
OK. And then just to pivot, UnitedHealthcare coverage changes, I think I've got this right, just sort of like reimplementing the DICE the warning's a little awkward, but call it the implementation of the absence of complete blockage. What do you think about those changes, Tim? Do you expect them to stick? And was the reimplementation of the DICE a little bit of a surprise? Obviously with predictor, seemingly you're hoping to go the other way with these payers throughout 2025. Thanks.
Okay, are you like referring to like United?
Yeah, I thought I mentioned United, but correct, yes, United.
Yeah, I think we're working with United. They've made too many changes over a period of time, so we need to have discussions with them, but I think the intent is they understand what Predictor is about, and if there's a way to more efficiently work with patients to understand who can qualify for Inspire United supportive of that, but we need to continue to communicate with that. The physicians are doing a great job in documenting the study and preparing the manuscript, so that's getting close to be able to be submitted. And we'll continue to work with the payers. But I don't think the intent is to really go back and force DICE. I think there's just more communication that has to happen to make sure we clarify that. But again, we're going to continue to work with other payers to not necessarily specify the need for DICE, but to make sure that it's up to the physician to properly diagnose the patient So they are qualified for INSPIRE by using what method is appropriate for that patient. Not could be a DICE, could be just BMI, could be neck circumference, but make sure we have the flexibility built into the system so it's up to the physician to make that determination.
Perfect. Thanks, guys.
Thanks, John.
Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Michael Polark from Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon. Thank you. Just one for me, bigger picture. I know the center disclosure is going away in 25, although Rick, I did hear you say quarterly ads probably about in the zone of what we've seen the last couple of years. So I'm square there. It gets you at the end of 25 to say 1600 or 1700 centers. I'm just curious before this disclosure goes away, can you update us on your longer term view of what a potential center base might look like? What are you planning for over a three to five year horizon? What's the the latest math there. Thank you.
Thank you, Mike. I think we want to stay consistent and keep growing. As we talked about with some of our organization, we have a group that's focused on a lot of our national contracts and ASCs and to be able to help transition when we get to five into some of those centers because we believe we can get an increase in utilization at those sites as well as grow Same store sales across the board. So we look at continually expanding. We're at the very early stages, as you know, with ASCs. And even when we look at some of our national contracts, we're in the very early stages of adoption. So we have quite a long way to go, and now we have a group specific to addressing those targets and helping those national accounts really be able to adopt Inspire and really take advantage of the Inspire 5.
Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Mike Kratke from Learing Partners. Please go ahead.
Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking our question. Tim, I'd love to circle back on some of those comments on the ASCs. So, you know, A, to what extent does driving continued adoption among ASCs fit into your strategic priorities this year? And then, Can you just help us understand what kind of an impact that could have just based on the different economics in that setting?
Absolutely. I think one of the challenges we had was economics in ASCs, and specifically with the adjusted economics down south. And it limits the ability of ASCs to be able to adopt a strong, inspired program. Going to the new CPT code, 64568, it actually increases the reimbursement at ASC is approximately $1,100, and that takes them from a breakeven or a loss situation into a slightly positive in some of the locations, and that really is an impetus to allow some of the physicians to take more cases, Medicare cases, to their ASC. They can already bring the commercial cases there, but there's a group of private practice ENTs who do most of their implants in their ASC and they're unable to really participate with Inspire today due to the economics. So I think this new coding change will certainly help them and we're going to put a concentrated effort to be able to help these ASCs really grow the adoption.
Understood.
Thanks very much.
Thanks, Mike.
Thank you. And I show our last question in the queue comes from the line of Suraj Kalia from Oppenheimer and Co. Please go ahead. Hey, Tim, Rick, can you hear me all right?
Very good, Raj.
Perfect. Congrats on a strong end to the year. Tim, I appreciate your comments about not providing any more commentary on the DOJ investigation. It's still early. But maybe you can shed some color for us. Let's say 30,000 patients were implanted in FY24. How many of them would you say have not tried a CPAP?
I don't specifically know that, but I think very few.
Great. Thanks, Tim.
Appreciate your help. It's a pretty hard requirement that we have, as well as the physicians have, as well as the payers, including government payers related to DOJ, like Medicare and Medicaid. It's a pretty hard standard that everybody takes very seriously. Got it.
Thank you.
Thanks, Raj.
Thank you. This concludes the Q&A session for the conference. I'd now like to turn it back to Tim for any closing remarks.
Thanks, Dulem. Thank you all for joining the call today. As always, I'm grateful to the growing team of dedicated Inspire employees for their enthusiasm, hard work, and continued motivation to achieve successful and consistent patient outcomes. The team's commitment to patients remains unmatched and is the most important element to our success. I wish to thank all of our employees as well as the healthcare teams for their continued efforts as we remain focused on further expanding our business in the US, Europe, and Asia. For all of you on the call, we appreciate your continued interest and support of INSPIRE and look forward to providing you with further updates in the months ahead.
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