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spk06: Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Independence Realty Trust Inc. Q4 earnings conference call. My name is Sam and I'll be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. I'll now turn the call over to Lauren Torres. Lauren, please go ahead.
spk07: Thank you and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us to review Independence Realty Trust's fourth quarter and full year 2022 financial results. On the call with me today are Scott Schaefer, Chief Executive Officer, Mike Daly, EBP of Operations and People, Farrell Ender, President of IRT, and Jim Sebra, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being webcast on our website at irtliving.com. There will be a replay of the call available via webcast on our investor relations website and telephonically beginning at approximately 12 p.m. Eastern time today. Before I turn the call over to Scott, I'd like to remind everyone that there may be forward-looking statements made on this call. These forward-looking statements reflect IRT's current views with respect to future events, financial performance, and the merger with Steadfast Apartment REIT which will be referenced herein as star. Actual results could differ substantially and materially from what IRT has projected. Such statements are made in good faith pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Please refer to IRT's press release, supplemental information, and filings with the SEC for factors that could affect the accuracy of our expectations or cause our future results to differ materially from those expectations. Participants may discuss non-GAAP financial measures during this call. A copy of IRT's earnings press release and supplemental information containing financial information, other statistical information, and a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to the most direct comparable GAAP financial measure is attached to IRT's current report on the Form 8K available at IRT's website under Investor Relations. IRT's other SEC filings are also available through this link. IRT does not undertake to update forward-looking statements on this call or with respect to matters described herein, except as may be required by law. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Scott Schaefer.
spk12: Thank you, Lauren, and thank you all for joining us this morning. 2022 was a strong year for IRT as we integrated the Star portfolio and exceeded our initial synergies and full-year operating guidance during a challenging macroeconomic environment. Our ability to deliver nearly 30% core FFO per share growth in 2022 was the result of the strategic positioning of our expanded portfolio concentrated in non-gateway markets within the Sunbelt region, where we continue to benefit from positive supply and demand dynamics. Our team delivered another year of robust performance, which was reflected in our fourth quarter and full-year results. Specifically, our average rental rate increased 12% in 2022, supporting a double-digit increase in revenue. Our same-store NOI increased 13% in the fourth quarter and 13.7% for the full year, compared to last year. And we continue to effectively reduce our leverage from 7.7 times EBITDA a year ago to 6.9 times at year end 2022 ahead of our low sevens guided target. We also made meaningful progress on our value-add program as we renovated 656 units in the fourth quarter and 1,451 units for the full year while achieving an annual return on investment of more than 24%. This positions us well to deliver the 2,500 to 3,000 units that we previously guided for in 2023. We remain confident about the potential of our Value-Add program and will continue to assess the economic landscape as we determine the pace and scope of renovations of properties in selected markets. While coming off a strong year, we recognize there is more work to be done to drive sustainable occupancy gains across the entire portfolio and can assure you that this is a top priority for us in 2023. We are focused on working with our regional leaders and frontline leasing teams to improve all aspects of our leasing and sales process. As we mentioned previously, our target occupancy is 95% for non-value-add communities, and we will continue to drive rent growth where appropriate. Looking ahead, we are factoring in a mild recession, which we expect to be more pronounced in the second half of this year. Despite these uncertain conditions, we remain well-positioned to earn all points of market cycles due to our portfolio footprint across key Sunbelt markets that continue to see significant migration and job growth. And we expect to build upon our solid foundation and continue to deliver outsized growth rates as shown in our 2023 guidance, which includes a 6.5% NOI growth at the midpoint of our guided range. This is on top of NOI growth of 11.4% in 2021 and 13.7% in 2022. Our 2023 guidance also includes 5.6% core FFO for share growth at the midpoint. We are off to a good start this year and remain very excited about the growth opportunities for IRT and optimistic about our future as real estate fundamentals remain strong in our resilient growth markets. I'd now like to introduce you to Mike Daly, our EVP of Operations and People. Mike is a core member of the IRT team, overseeing all aspects of our day-to-day operations. Mike has been with IRT since 2019 and successfully guided us through the pandemic with consistently strong operational performance. He is a seasoned executive and returned to lead the operations in December 2022. With that introduction, I'd like to hand the call over to Mike.
spk14: Thanks, Scott. I'm happy to join today's call for the first time and to share in greater detail why we are excited about our portfolio and its ability to provide stable growth through different economic cycles. Our strong fourth quarter and year-end results were driven by double-digit rent growth with markets like Tampa, Myrtle Beach, Memphis, Atlanta, and Raleigh-Durham achieving mid- to high-teen average rent increases for the full year. We continue to see strong migration trends into our southern markets. This was recently confirmed by the U.S. Census Bureau, which reported that Florida, Texas, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia were the states with highest net domestic migration gains in 2022. These six states represent over 60% of IRT's NOI and are not only well-situated in the attractive Sun Belt region, but also have experienced a robust job market recovery after the pandemic, averaging 5% job growth since March 2020. As Scott mentioned, we are laser focused on driving improved occupancy. In the fourth quarter, average occupancy at our total same store portfolio was 93.8%, down 40 basis points from Q3 2022, driven in part by seasonality. As we've previously indicated, the start of renovations at our value-add communities within our same store portfolio also impacts occupancy, as every unit comes offline for approximately 30 days. We've started renovations on 10 communities during the second half of 2022 through today. We also recognize that the average occupancy of our same-store non-value-add communities during the fourth quarter was 94.6%, below our previously stated target of 95%. Improving our leasing and sales process is a priority to the entire operations team, and we are confident our occupancy will increase toward targeted levels during leasing season. We are pleased to note that we are seeing positive momentum as we begin 2023. On a blended basis, we've achieved 4.8% lease-over-lease rental rate growth through February 13th with a 4.6% increase in new leases and a 4.9% increase in renewals for our combined same-store portfolio. We have a 4.9% earn-in that will contribute to 2023 revenue growth, and our loss to lease across the portfolio is 6%. I'd now like to turn the call to Farrell to provide you with an update on our investment opportunities.
spk11: Thanks, Mike. Starting with our value-add program, we completed renovations on 656 units in the fourth quarter, and as a result, moved four properties from our ongoing renovation list to complete it under the program. For the full year, we completed renovations on 1,451 units, achieving a return on investment of 24.1%. This was done with an average cost per renovated unit of $13,659 and an average rent increase of $270 over unrenovated comps. As Scott mentioned, we expect to renovate between 2,500 and 3,000 units in 2023. Currently, we have 18 properties in 10 markets included in our ongoing value-add program. Over the course of 2023, we plan to add another nine properties comprising 2,654 units and expect to achieve an average ROI on the tiered costs of 22% at these new projects. In connection with our ongoing capital recycling program, we sold two previously held for sale properties in the fourth quarter. Meadows Apartments in Louisville, Kentucky and Sycamore Terrace in Terre Haute, Indiana. The aggregate sale price was $99 million and we recognized a $17 million net gain on sale from these two communities. The blended economic cap rate on these dispositions was 4.5%. We also moved one property to held for sale status, a 277-unit community in Indianapolis. The property was built in 1976 and requires a high level of annual capex spend relative to our other communities located in the same market. We expect the sale of this property to close at the end of this month with proceeds from the disposition to be used to reduce debt. Due diligence is complete, the buyer's deposit is hard, and they have rate locked on the debt they are using to finance the purchase. The economic cap rate on this disposition is 4.8%. Regarding new supply, deliveries are expected to increase in 2023, but decline in the years following. CoStar has projected new deliveries in our submarkets based on our weighted average exposure at 2.8% of the existing inventory, dropping to 2.4% in 2024, and potentially declining further as many projects not trouble-ready have been put on hold due to several factors, including elevated cost of construction and increased interest rates. While select submarkets in Atlanta, Dallas, Tampa, and Nashville will have elevated new deliveries in 2023, We expect that this will have limited impact on our primarily Class B communities with monthly rent substantially lower than comparable new construction. Longer term, the supply, demand, and balance is expected to continue in our markets where construction will not meet the overall housing needs. Lastly, I would like to share with you one of our larger capital projects for 2023. In anticipation of the continued growth of electric vehicles over the course of the next decade, We are committing $2 million on our first phase of our EV charging station program. The first step of installing 192 charging stations in 32 communities will be used to better understand resident demand and usage of this amenity. We believe that these charging stations will be well-received and expect to continue to roll out in the following years throughout the portfolio. I'd now like to turn the call over to Jim.
spk16: Thanks, Farrell, and good morning, everyone. Beginning with our 2022 performance update, for the fourth quarter of 2022, net income available to common shareholders was $33.6 million, up from $28.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. For full year 2022, net income available to common shareholders was $117.2 million, up from $44.6 million in the full year of 2021. During the fourth quarter, core FFO more than doubled to $66.8 million, from $31.0 million a year ago, and core FFO per share grew 20.8% to $0.29 per share. For the full year, core FFO grew to $247.4 million from $92 million, and core FFO per share grew 28.6% to $1.08 per share on a year-over-year basis. This growth reflects the earnings accretion associated with our emerging star. as well as the sizable organic rent and NOI growth we experienced throughout the combined portfolio during 2022. IRT same-store NOI growth in the fourth quarter was 13%, driven by revenue growth of 9.8%. This growth was led by a 12.2% increase in our average rental rates. For the full year, IRT same-store NOI growth increased 13.7%, supported by revenue growth of 10.7%, with rental rates increasing by 12%. On the property operating expense side, IRT same-store operating expenses increased 4.6% in the fourth quarter, led by higher real estate taxes and utility expenses, while repairs and maintenance costs and advertising expenses declined compared to a year ago. For the full year, IRT same-store operating expenses grew 5.9%, mostly reflecting increases in property insurance, real estate taxes, and contract services. While inflation continues to drive higher costs for products and services, We are continuing to roll out efficiencies using technology and procurement efforts to help reduce the inflation spurt. Turning to our balance sheet, as of December 31st, our liquidity position was $350 million. We had approximately $16 million of understated cash and $334 million of additional capacity through our unsecured credit facility. Regarding the ongoing topic of leverage, we are excited to announce that we continue to make significant progress since last year. We ended 2022 at 6.9 times net debt to even at down from 7.7 times a year ago and came in ahead of our year-end target of low sevens. As Sal mentioned earlier, the proceeds from our upcoming property sale in Indianapolis will be used to repay outstanding indebtedness and puts us on good footing to achieve our leverage target of mid-sixes by year-end 2023. While we do anticipate some macroeconomic uncertainty in the coming months, I wanted to reiterate that we have no debt maturities in 2023 and only 70 million of maturities in 2024. We have and will continue to maintain sufficient liquidity to address these maturities using our unsecured credit facility. We also have adequate hedges that have effectively converted floating rate debt to fixed rate debt, such that our floating rate debt exposure as of year end is only 10% of our outstanding debt. With respect to our outlook for 2023, Our EPS guidance is a range of $0.23 to $0.27 per dilute share, and for core performance, a range of $1.12 to $1.16 per share. For 2023, at the midpoint of our guidance, we expect NOI at our same-store portfolio to increase 6.5%. This guidance reflects same-store revenue growth of 6.4%, which is comprised of an average occupancy of 94.5%, an earn-in of 4.9%, a blended rental rate increase of 3% for all leases signed in 2023, and a bad debt expense of 1.5% of revenue. Moving on to expenses, our projected growth in same-store operating expenses of 6.1% at the midpoint is a result of our expectation that non-controllable expenses for real estate taxes and insurance will increase 8.5%, And our controllable operating expenses will increase 4.4%. This is primarily the result of inflationary increases, and we will continue to implement various strategies, including automation and centralization, to improve our efficiencies throughout 2023. As it relates to our general administrative and property management expenses, we are guiding to $52.5 million at the midpoint, or an increase of 4.3%. For interest expense, we are guiding to a midpoint of $105.5 million, excluding the effect of amortization of a debt premium adjustment related to our SAR merger that we add back for core flow purposes. This is an increase of 7% over 2022 and is entirely driven by the expected increase in floating rates during 2023. For example, the current 2023 yield curve for SOFR is an average of 4.9%. as compared to 1.5% for 2022. Remember, 90% of our debt is either fixed or hedged, thereby mitigating the effect of this increase. Regarding our transaction and investment expectations, we are currently not assuming any acquisition volume, but are providing guidance for disposition volume of $35 to $40 million, reflecting the asset held for sale in Indianapolis, which we expect to close later this month. And lastly, regarding CapEx, we expect $20 million in recurring maintenance CapEx, $80 million in value-add and non-return spend, and $85 million in development CapEx in 2023, each at the midpoint of our guided ranges. These incremental development and value-add CapEx will be funded primarily through our excess cash flow of $133 million generated during 2023, which is after paying our current dividend of $0.14 per quarter. Now, I'll turn the call back to Scott. Scott? Thank you, Jim.
spk12: As we move ahead in 2023, we remain well positioned for continued growth as we execute our strategy and invest in our portfolio. Our confidence stems from IRT's ability to build a leading presence in attractive markets with solid renter demand fundamentals, which has been able to withstand the backdrop of macroeconomic uncertainty. We are fully committed to enhancing shareholder value and regularly returning capital to our shareholders. We look forward to another year of achieving our targets and strengthening our presence in the multifamily sector. We thank you for joining us today and look forward to speaking with you again. Operator, you can now open the call for questions.
spk06: Absolutely. We will now begin the Q&A session. If you'd like to ask a question, you may press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason you'd like to remove your question, you may press star followed by two. As a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. Our first question today comes from the line of Austin Werschmitt with KeyBank. Austin, your line is now open.
spk10: Thanks, and good morning, everybody. Scott and Mike, I appreciate all your comments around the focus on ramping and stabilizing occupancy, but I'm curious, do you feel like you have the right personnel in place on the operations team? You know, have there been any other recent changes to the team that are worth, you know, highlighting? And do you feel that the team really has kind of a handle on, you know, quickly reacting to changing market conditions in order to keep occupancy within a, you know, a tighter band moving forward, particularly, you know, within that non-value add pool?
spk12: Thanks, Austin. Good question. This is Scott, as you know. I think the best way to answer your question is to start with a little bit of how we got to where we are. As I've said in the past, I wasn't happy with our occupancy trends in the fourth quarter. We pushed rents a little too hard, which had a negative effect on our resident retention and our ability to sign new leases. The market was changing, and frankly, our team was slow to adapt. On the good side of this is we had one of the highest increases in lease rates of all the multifamily REITs. But, you know, I've always stressed the importance of balancing, you know, rent increases with occupancy so that we can deliver the highest possible revenue. And frankly, we got away from that formula. And this happened at the same time that we were increasing the number of properties going through the value-add program, which, you know, we said in the column previously, has that adding properties to the value-add program has a significant negative impact on our occupancy. The 656 units that we completed in the fourth quarter reduced overall occupancy from 50 to 60 basis points. So it really does have an effect. So we decided to make some changes in our operations team in the fourth quarter, including adding additional senior leaders with proven track records and multifamily operations. We just brought on Janice Richards, who heads our operating platform 16 years of experience with Camden and we really look forward to her, you know, being and having her voice in charge of operations. We made these changes, I wanted to make these changes during the slowest period in leasing, you know, the fourth quarter leading into the first quarter of 2023. And also so that we were prepared as we headed into an uncertain 2023. And as you can see from our 2023 guidance, we're confident that we've made – we're confident in these changes. I mean, our guidance is, you know, I think pretty strong. To list out some of the changes that we've made, we've improved the flow of information from the communities on our pricing – to our pricing team relative to market rents so that, you know, we will not be behind the curve going forward as the market changes. We've opened a 24-7 call center to make sure we're capturing all the phone leasing leads. That's new to us. We had started that process right before the Star merger, and then it was put on hold because we were focused on the integration. We've expanded our sales training. We've brought on, you know, specialist sales coaches. The leasing professionals at the properties is where we have the highest turnover. I think that's the same for all multifamily REITs. So you constantly have to continue to train them, and now we're making sure, and we thought we were making sure before, but now we are making sure that they are coached and they are appropriately ready to do the leasing. And we're improving our technology to streamline how our teams work our leads so that we can maximize the lead to lease conversion ratio. This is a focus for us. We will have occupancy back you know, to that 95% level in non-valued communities. And, you know, we wanted to make sure, I wanted to make sure that we had all of these changes done, again, during the slowest leasing time or period, and then, again, as we head into leasing season here in 2023. So I hope that answers your question. Thank you.
spk10: Yeah, no, I appreciate, you know, all the detail that you provided there. I guess, can you share how you were interacting or overriding sort of the revenue management system previously and, you know, how much, I guess, the impact of the frictional vacancy, you know, redevelopment you highlighted, but maybe how that's impacting, you know, pricing to some extent?
spk12: Well, I'm not sure that overriding is the right description. The pricing team, I believe, was not getting real-time market information. And the market changed dramatically last year. I mean, if you think about it, you know, all of the REITs were getting, you know, 12, 15, you know, even up to 20% or more rent increases. And it changed in the third quarter going into the fourth quarter. And our team was a little bit slow to react. And we send out our renewal letters 90 days in advance. to our tenants as leases are expiring. So that slow to react has a forward effect as well. Because here in January, we're renewing leases. Or January expirations received letters back in October, November on lease renewals where we frankly were pricing above the market. So people left. And that had a negative impact on occupancy. We saw it. I made the changes. You know, going forward, we're in a much better position.
spk10: Just a last one for me. I'm just curious if, you know, you alluded to, you know, getting back to that 95, 95 plus percent level. You know, maybe, Jim, can you provide a little bit of additional detail on your occupancy assumption and kind of the milestones or cadence through the year, how we should expect that to ramp up?
spk16: Yeah, the occupancy, the average occupancy assumption in guidance at the midpoint is 94.5%. That's expected to kind of ramp up similar to like some of the seasonal kind of gains that we saw last year through the summer months, and then kind of tail off in the back half of the year back to that seasonal kind of norm that we saw, you know, pre-COVID in, you know, October, November, December.
spk04: But the average for the year is 94.5. Thanks, everybody.
spk03: Thanks, Russell.
spk06: Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Brad Heffern with RBC. Brad?
spk02: Yeah, thank you. So on the new 6% loss to lease quote, I think that's down a decent amount from the last quarter. Can you talk about what contributed to that change and what gives you confidence in the new number against this backdrop of declining occupancy?
spk16: Yeah, great question, Brad. This is Jim. You know, our loss to lease is based off of a comparison of our asking rents at all of our communities versus our average in-place rents, you know, basically suggesting if we were to release based on our asking rents, how much rent would kind of grow by. You know, there's a little bit of seasonality to rental rates in the fourth quarter that causes a slight decline. But at the same time, as Scott mentioned, we began to try to, you know, drive that occupancy in the fourth quarter and certainly early part of this year to
spk04: such that the asking rents came down a little bit to try to do so.
spk02: Okay, got it. And then on the revenue growth guide, is there an underlying assumption for market rent growth in that? I think the 3% blend just seems like it's half of the current loss to lease. I'm not sure if there's anything that's being added on top of that.
spk16: There is a little bit of assumption on market rent growth. You know, we talk about, you know, market rent growth in that kind of the low single digits, you know, one, two, three percent in terms of the guide. So, you know, our loss, at least typically we've always said, you know, takes us kind of 12, 18 months to capture it. But there is a little bit of a market rent growth assumption. But again, we're being we're looking at 2023 with a relatively conservative eye.
spk01: OK, thank you. Thank you.
spk06: The next question comes from the line of John Kim with BMO. John?
spk13: Hey, thank you. I just wanted to follow up on that question. I didn't really quite get that. So your blended lease growth assumption for the year is 3%. Your loss to lease is 6%. You're expecting market rental growth this year. And on top of that, you have value-add programs stepping up. So I'm wondering how you get to that 3% lease growth rate assumption.
spk16: Yeah, I mean, I think the 3% lease growth state is just, again, the conservative estimate around, you know, kind of what the leasing cadence will be to continue to drive that occupancy. You know, the value-add is, you know, certainly supporting. A lot of the value-add, you know, picks up in the summer months when the lease expirations are, you know, the highest. But I think, ultimately, it just comes down to a level of conservatism around what will happen in the mid-summer with respect to any kind of macroeconomic uncertainty.
spk13: Okay. The loss in occupancy you had this quarter suggests that your customers are maybe a little bit more price sensitive, but you are getting the 20% uplift plus on rents on the value add. And I'm just wondering with this occupancy loss and the uplift you're getting, how do we, how do we interpret this? Is it just that you're getting a different demographic on the value add customers or is it taking longer to complete the renovations? I'm just wondering.
spk12: know how we marry these two um you know characteristics of your company it's it's a it's a different demographic you know our value-add program um uh improves our property so that we compete directly with newer class a construction um but at a price that's still below that class a new rent So, you know, the premiums that we're receiving is because we're basically changing the resident profile, and it's a resident who's willing to pay a higher rent for a better product. And they're choosing the value-add community, our value-add community over a newer construction because our rent, even with these premiums and with these returns, is, you know, $300 to $400 below what a comparable new property's rent would be. So that's what's driving that. you know, value-add premium.
spk13: And Scott, I think you said last quarter that you were going to moderate the value-add this year, and it looks like you're doubling it. I just wanted to understand that.
spk12: No, the moderation is because we had originally targeted 4,000 units for 2023, and now we're targeting 2,500 to 3,000. Okay. Thank you.
spk13: Thank you.
spk06: The next question comes from the line of Nick Joseph with Citi. Nick?
spk15: Thanks. Maybe just on that market rank growth, understand the macroeconomic uncertainty, but how much of a range or variance is there between markets that you're expecting? And if you can talk, I know you touched on supply a bit, but kind of top and bottom performing expectations for markets.
spk16: Yeah, I mean, I think there's some markets that are expected to have good rent growth from a market standpoint. I think probably the top end of the range is 3%, 4%, and the bottom end is 1-ish percent. I mean, I think it's fairly tight when you look at some of the perspectives that RealPage and others have put out in terms of some data sources.
spk15: Thanks. Which are those, the 3% and 4% versus 1%?
spk16: So I think the general view is if you look at some of the markets like Tampa, we'll continue to see strong market rent growth. But again, I think there's a lot of the data sources suggest or still continue to kind of be relatively conservative when it comes to macroeconomic uncertainties.
spk15: Thanks. And then just on the Indy asset, where is it in the sales process? And then if you can talk about anything from a pricing or demand side, what you've experienced with that on the market?
spk11: So the property we have under contract will close in the next couple weeks. Through contingency, they have a hard deposit and their financing lined up. So we're very confident that it'll close. In regards to overall transaction volume is down considerably. I think there's still a significant disconnect between the bid ask. We are seeing some transactions occur for specific reasons, whether it be 1031s or debt maturities. They're pricing, you know, in the high fours, low five cap range, but there's still a lot of people, including ourselves, waiting to just see, you know, where the market settles in. A lot of this is, you know, due to, you know, treasuries and debt costs, and people don't know where they are, so we need some stability in interest rates before there becomes more transactions.
spk15: Thank you very much. Thanks, Nick.
spk06: Next question is from Anthony Powell with Barclays. Anthony?
spk09: Hi. Good morning. It's a question on, I guess, occupancy and turnover and move outs. When people are moving out of your buildings due to high rent, where are they going? To other Class B apartments, Class C? How is the kind of competitive landscape changing for you?
spk14: Well, obviously, this is Mike. You know, we're dependent on, you know, the feedback from the exiting resident to tell us, you know, why they're leaving and where they're going. So, I think we are seeing, you know, people going to a different class of community because of the just affordability of those relative to what they are currently paying. We have kind of a normal, excuse me, normal level of relocations. There's some moderation of people buying a new house, which obviously is reflecting mortgage rates. But by and large, it is an affordability issue. We see some folks moving in with a roommate situation. Some folks, you know, are younger demographic moving back home. But really, it's a mix of reasons that people are leaving. But the common theme is, you know, affordability and looking for somebody with some place to live with a lower total cost. We have about a 22% or so, you know, kind of rent to income ratio, which is affordable relative to most of the options that people have. You know, but we do see that pressure. So I think that that is, you know, Probably not the only reason, but definitely influences the reasons that people are leaving.
spk12: I would add, however, though, that those reasons have not changed dramatically from prior years. So moving out to buy a home is still the number one reason. Moving to a job relocation is still the number two reason. And the third reason is to move to a single family rental. Pricing has always been an issue in Class B apartments and will always continue to be.
spk09: Okay. And I guess on the other side, you talked a lot about kind of the Class A to Class B kind of migration and kind of tougher economic times over the years. Is that something that we expect to start being a
spk12: tailwind this year in a macro environment or are those class a apartments starting to be more price uh accommodating so that that may not be as big of a tailwind as it may have been in the past no i i think it is it is going to be a tailwind it is going to be a benefit for us i think you will see that um if you look at at uh you know the multi-family peers with a a um you know, a larger portfolio of Class A assets, you'll see that they're still continuing to increase the rents. So I don't think that the Class A assets are in a rent reduction mode. So we do expect to see further demand from people moving from Class A down specifically into our value add communities. Because they're getting, again, I believe they're getting a class A product at a B plus, A minus rent.
spk09: Got it. Maybe a quick one on guidance. I think you talked about a mild recession being kind of the base case. Is that for both the high and low end of guidance? And let's say we have a soft landing, what's the potential upside to rent and occupancy that you see?
spk16: Yeah, I would say that's a base case in both scenarios. I think if there is some type of soft planning, I think that the ultimate kind of question will be, you know, just how much the market rents begin to reaccelerate and, you know, the effect that has. I mean, I think that will also continue to drive occupancy up a little bit. I don't think a soft planning necessarily changes the expenses too much, unless maybe like insurance expenses come down a little bit, but that's more. non-macroeconomic type drivers in the insurance category.
spk09: All right. Thank you.
spk06: Thank you. Next question is from Mason Guell with Baird. Mason?
spk03: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Just one for me. We noticed that the fourth quarter dispositions came in at $99 million, but you mentioned expecting $103 million for these dispositions after the third quarter. Just wondering if this 99 was a net number or if the buyer retraded at a lower price for these assets.
spk11: Yeah, the market changed, interest rates went up, and they came back at a price reduction. We actually went through a couple iterations with different buyers, and we determined that it was still a good time to sell the asset.
spk12: That was the Sycamore Terrace asset in Terre Haute. And we made the decision, since it was a one-off asset for us in a market where we had no interest in growing, that we would continue and dispose of the asset, even though we did get retraded. I will tell you, I don't like being retraded. But I didn't like this asset either. So it was a decision to move forward and just be done with it.
spk03: Thanks for that. That's all for me.
spk04: Thank you. Thank you.
spk06: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Linda Tsai with Jefferies.
spk01: Linda? Good morning, Linda. Linda, please ensure you're not on mute.
spk08: Sorry about that. Thanks for taking my question. Just one quick one from me. What would your expectation be for retention ratio by year end?
spk16: Yeah, I mean, we've always targeted our retention ratio to be in that 50 to 55% range. So I think, you know, a target of, you know, call it 53-ish would be, you know, kind of our expectation for the year.
spk04: Totally based on the guidance.
spk08: Got it. Thank you.
spk06: Thank you. We have no further questions waiting at this time. So as a final reminder, to ask a question, it is star one, and we'll pause here very briefly.
spk05: Seeing none, I'd like to hand the call back over to the management team for any closing remarks.
spk12: Thanks, everyone, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.
spk06: That concludes the Independence Realty Trust, Inc. Q4 Earnings Conference Call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.
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