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2/18/2025
Welcome to the James Hardy Fiscal Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. After prepared remarks by management, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, please rejoin the queue. I would now like to have the call over to Joe Olesmeyer, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you, operator, and thank you to everyone for joining today's call. Please note that during the course of prepared remarks and Q&A, management may refer to non-GAAP financial measures and make forward-looking statements. You can refer to several cautionary notes on page two for more information. Also, unless otherwise indicated, our materials and comments refer to figures in US dollars, and any comparisons made are to the corresponding period in the prior fiscal year. Now, please turn to page three, where you'll find the agenda for today's call. I am joined by Aaron Erter, Chief Executive Officer of James Hardy, and Rachel Wilson, our Chief Financial Officer. Aaron will share key messages for the quarter and provide an update on the business before handing it over to Rachel, who will review our financial performance, detail our outlook and guidance, and speak to our cash generation and capital allocation framework. Then, Aaron will return to conclude our prepared remarks before we move to Q&A. I am now pleased to hand the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Aaron Erter.
Thanks, Joe. Before I begin, I would like to take the opportunity to thank all our employees around the world who work to safely deliver the highest quality products, solutions, and services to our customers. Just weeks ago, wildfires caused immense destruction and absolute devastation throughout the Los Angeles area. As a leadership team, our first priority was to get in touch with our teammates in the region to ensure that all of them and their families were safe and accounted for, and we were relieved to learn that they were. Zero harm is at the forefront of everything we do in our plants and in our offices, at home and out in our communities. Within the span of just a few months, two groups of James Hardy employees have been dealt unimaginably dangerous circumstances, and I am inspired by the resilience our team showed in handling these hardships and proud of how our entire organization has mobilized to support our affected colleagues in their times of need. Our purpose as a company, building a better future for all, clearly guides our actions in the wake of such events. From contributing to organizations safeguarding our communities and responding in the aftermath to being a critical partner in the rebuilding efforts. Now, let's begin on slide four. We delivered strong business and financial results in the third quarter, and our -to-date performance shows that we have a strong handle on our business as we continue to scale the organization and invest to grow profitably. We are executing on our growth strategy, and we are confident that our actions are driving outperformance in our markets and positioning us well to sustain this outperformance. We are winning by partnering with our customers, contractors, and homeowners, and this success propels our organization forward and fuels my optimism around the future of James Hardy. We have the strongest team in the industry and the right strategy to go after our material conversion opportunity. Despite a challenging demand environment and intensifying raw material headwinds, our North American business results clearly demonstrate the inherent strength of our unique value proposition and the underlying momentum in our strategy. Our sales -to-date were well over $2 billion, which represent a double-digit CAGR over the last five years in line with our long-term top-line growth target. Over that timeframe, our adjusted EBITDA margin has risen more than 400 basis points to approximately 35%, and we continue to see an additional 500 basis points of margin opportunity in the years ahead. As expected, business conditions have remained challenging and high interest rates continue to present a barrier to the homeowner, but we remain confident that as affordability conditions improve, demand will meaningfully recover in both our new construction and repair and remodel in markets. We continue to strengthen our competitive position through the current environment, and we are deepening existing partnerships and forging new ones. We are the best position in the industry to continue providing the highest levels of service and deliver value for our customers. This quarter, we continue to build on our track record of consistent delivery of results, and we are solidly on track to deliver on our guidance. In North America, we shipped 744 million standard feet of volume, consistent with our expectations and commentary, and we achieved a .1% EBIT margin, evidence of our ability to deliver savings through our hardy operating system initiatives and focused clutch actions. This has allowed us to sustain our peer leading profitability, even as we continue to invest in future growth. And on a consolidated basis, we delivered $154 million of total adjusted net income with solid performance across our regions. Please turn to slide five. In North America, we're outperforming our end markets through our superior value proposition and driving leading margins despite intensifying raw material headwinds. We are uniquely positioned to address our immense material conversion opportunity and are aligning our capacity to fully service higher levels of demand in the recovery. We are investing across the value chain, growing our contractor base, and accelerating homeowner demand to capture the repair and remodeling opportunity as affordability pressures moderate and demand recovers. Our strategies are driving wins with home builders as we deepen our exclusivity arrangements, work to increase trim attachment rates and highlight how our production network creates a competitive advantage that supports their growth plans. In Australia and New Zealand, our strategy remains consistent and focused. We are growing our strong category share across our end markets, doing so through new customer acquisitions and project conversion enabled by deep customer integration. We are driving market share growth where we have the right to win by influencing the way homeowners build through co-creation and by utilizing the strong James Hardy brand. We are leveraging innovation to accelerate material conversion against brick and masonry, and we are optimizing our network for future growth. And finally, we are strengthening our scaled manufacturing operations to drive further efficiencies through our HOSS initiatives, which will help to sustain our robust profitability profile. And in Europe, our markets remain challenged and our expectation for a more gradual path to recovery for Germany remains unchanged. However, we continue to focus on our core strategy of driving double digit growth in high value products, which we achieved in both the quarter and year to date. We have a solid plan to improve our margins in Europe, comprised of purposeful investment to drive operating leverage alongside sales growth and to generate cost savings by optimizing our production footprint and driving efficiencies. Now, please turn to slide six as I take a moment to review our overall strategy. We are grounded in our unwavering commitment to being homeowner focused, customer and contractor driven. This is a holistic approach by our teams across the entire value chain. Importantly, we're doing it the right way and not sacrificing on our foundational imperatives, putting safety at the center of everything we do through zero harm, focusing on building a competitive advantage through our sustainability initiatives, driving continuous productivity savings with the Hardy operating system. And importantly, leveraging the individual contributions and collective power of our people as we invest in our team members and scale our organizational capabilities. Please turn to slide seven where you'll find our value creation flywheel, a visual demonstration of the power of our value proposition. Starting with demand creation. We are the brand of choice for homeowners, customers and contractors. And we achieve this through targeted marketing at each step in our value chain. This includes traditional media to build consumer awareness, collaborations with influencers to further our mind share with consumers and leveraging technology to provide homeowners with visualization tools before they purchase. We further build brand awareness through sports advertising, knowing that this is an important channel to reach not only the homeowner, but also the contractor. Recently, we made targeted investments across college football playoff games and saw traffic to our website more than doubled during the games in which we advertise. And traffic correlates to leads. This is an outstanding result and a prime example of our test and learn approach to tracking the efficiency of our investments. Turning to innovative solutions. From a product standpoint, our global R&D function plays a vital role, developing new and innovative designs and aesthetics for homeowners to choose. We are simultaneously strengthening our core offerings to continue to capture the material conversion opportunity and improving the efficiency of installation. Color Plus within our portfolio of innovative and visually appealing products and solutions will play an important role in accelerating material conversion across our end markets. This product line has continued to succeed within R&R, but home builders appreciate both the labor savings and homeowner value proposition attributes of the product as well. Even in a year with demand challenges across new construction and repair and remodel, our single family Color Plus volumes are up double digits in both the quarter and on a year to date basis. Our innovative solutions and superior product value proposition continue to separate us from the competition, driving incremental growth with home builders with national reach. For example, last week we announced a national multi-year exclusive hard siding and trim agreement with MI Homes, one of the largest home builders in the United States. This solidifies a decade long relationship making hardy siding and trim products a standard feature on every new MI Homes residence where hard siding is installed. In discussing the reasons for choosing to deepen their ties with us, MI Homes highlighted the superior product aspects that resonate with home buyers, enhanced protection, superior durability, gorgeous aesthetics and low maintenance solutions. Our products also continue to rapidly displace vinyl within repair and remodel, leading more and more contractors of significant scale to turn the James Hardy fiber cement as the engine for growth in their business. Take Thompson Creek as an example. Thompson Creek is a major exteriors contractor across six states from North Carolina up through the mid Atlantic all the way to New Jersey offering siding, windows, doors and roofing. Thompson Creek recently announced that they will now offer James Hardy fiber cement to significantly expand their business and grow their share. The catalyst for this decision, simple, homeowners were asking for it. Further proof that our strategy of engaging with all stakeholders to pull our product through the channel will continue to drive our performance. Thompson Creek kicked off our new partnership by selling 30 exterior remodels with James Hardy in the first 30 days. Thanks to a powerful collaborative marketing effort focused on highlighting our superior product value proposition through core James Hardy messaging such as imagine the possibilities. I encourage you to check out Thompson Creek's website as it exhibits exactly the type of mutually beneficial partnership that comes from our focus on the homeowner and our drive to grow with the contractor. Next, I'll touch on how we provide best in class business support to enable the growth of our customers, contractors and home builders. Starting with our contractor loyalty program or as you'll increasingly hear me refer to it as the alliance. This represents everything the program has been in the past and everything it will evolve to be over time. The program takes many different forms depending on what the contractor needs and wants and how forming an alliance with James Hardy can help them achieve their growth goals. Last quarter, I touched on the suite of benefits that our contractors can expect when they join the program including qualified homeowner leads, training, networking opportunities to enable the sharing of best practices and recognition and rewards that foster loyalty to James Hardy. But we're often asked how we balance using this program to continually reach new contractors and convert them from vinyl while also ensuring that our most elite preferred contractors of major scale derive ongoing value from our partnership with them. Needless to say, the larger and more aligned the contractor, the more it depends on their business needs but what is consistent from one relationship to the next is we simply drive value and we drive growth. In our new construction and market, particularly with our national home builder partners, our scale represents a key competitive advantage as our localized production footprint aligns with their path of growth. We highlighted this when we announced earlier this year that Meritage Homes, the fifth largest builder in the country elected to deepen their strong relationship with James Hardy by signing a national hard siding and trim exclusive agreement. We also shared earlier this year that we were recognized as a national preferred partner by David Weekly Homes, representing our 17th award in 20 years and now our unwavering commitment to this partnership has earned us the privilege of serving David Weekly Homes with an exclusive agreement across our full wrap product range extending into the next decade. Our strategy is clearly working and we have a strong track record of material conversion against vinyl and wood. We have demonstrated that together, this leads to long-term profitable growth. Put simply, our strategy enables us to capture our material conversion opportunity and our material conversion opportunity in turn drives the continued success of our strategy. Now, I would like to hand it over to Rachel to share more details about our third quarter results. Rachel.
Thank you, Aaron. Please turn to slide eight. We again delivered results in line with our expectations in the quarter and our year to date performance demonstrates that we are managing decisively as we continue to scale the organization and invest to profitably grow our business. Our North American teams delivered a solid third quarter giving us increased confidence in our ability to deliver on our second half and full year guidance for volume and EBIT margin. In the final quarter of the year, we will stay focused on the key strategies that have not only underpinned our financial performance this year, but have also positioned us for double digit growth in years to come, including aligning our spend to the market environment, investing ahead of recovery, and evolving our plans to accelerate our market outperformance. In Asia Pacific and Europe, our teams continue to demonstrate a strong commitment to driving outperformance in challenging markets, delivering year to date results consistent with our expectations. In Asia Pacific, we are executing well on our strategies and winning by partnering with our customers to own the material conversion opportunity. And in Europe, our portfolio of high value products is performing well in the early days of our longterm strategy. Across all three regions, our results and strategies demonstrate a commitment to delivering profitable growth. And finally, our strong margin delivery continues to drive our robust cash generation. We are thus able to fund our capital priorities from cash generated by our operations while also executing our returns driven capital allocation framework. Please turn to slide nine for the financial highlights of our fiscal third quarter. Total net sales were 3% below last year's record third quarter, but relatively consistent with our expectations at $953 million globally. We delivered $262 million of adjusted EBITDA in the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 27.5%. Total adjusted EBITDA declined 7%, the margins decreased by 120 basis points. Year to date, our adjusted EBITDA margin is down 90 basis points, modestly below our record results in the prior year, demonstrating our ability to manage the uncontrollable impacts of market volumes and raw material headwinds, utilizing key levers like hearty operating system savings and focused cost control action. Adjusted net income in a quarter was $154 million, and adjusted diluted EPS was 36 cents per share. Let's move to slide 10, where I will comment on the year over year drivers that led to our third quarter consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $262 million. North America drove a $21 million decrease in total adjusted EBITDA as volumes declined due to ongoing demand challenges in our end markets. Our decisions to remain stacked at our plan while investing in scale and future growth are important actions to capture the opportunity as our markets recover. Additionally, we face raw material headwinds, which further weighed on margin. Within Asia Pacific, our collective Australia and New Zealand business contributed a slight increase in profit in the quarter, but with contribution from the Philippines in the prior year and not in the current year, the segment overall declined slightly. Europe declined by 3 million, as underlying EBITDA growth was more than offset by a previously disclosed favorable rebate true up in the prior year. And finally, R&D and adjusted corporate costs were relatively flat year over year, with the exception stock-based compensation expense, which correlates to changes in our stock price. Turning to slide 11, North American net sales declined 1% year over year in the quarter, primarily driven by a 3% decline in volume and partially mitigated by a 2% increase in average net sales price or ASP. From a year over year standpoint, the 3% decrease in volumes was comprised of a low single digit decrease in the exterior product and a mid single digit decline in our interior product. In aggregate, we shipped 744 million standard feet in North America in the quarter, a solid result that reinforces our confidence in delivering our second half and full year guidance. Consistent with the commentary we provided on our last call, volumes rose sequentially from the second quarter with volumes of our exterior products rising mid single digits sequentially compared to a mid single digit decline sequentially for interiors. ASP rose 2% year over year, primarily related to the realization of our January 2024 price increase with a level of price contribution in the quarter relatively consistent with our expectations. As a reminder, third quarter ASP did not benefit from a recent price increase announced in October of 2024, which became effective in January of 2025. Even margin was .1% down 360 basis points year over year, including a 110 basis point headwind from depreciation and amortization expense. The increase in run rate depreciation in the third quarter reflects that Prattville Sheet Machine number three went into service at the end of the second quarter. North American EBITDA was $251 million with EBITDA margin of .8% down 250 basis points year over year. Lower volumes and unfavorable cost absorption were the primary drivers of the decrease in profitability. The year over year headwind from higher raw material costs also worsened sequentially from the second quarter consistent with the outlook we provided last quarter and principally driven by mid 20% inflation collectively for pulp and cement. We continue to control the controllable with favorable ASP, cost savings and our focused clutch actions continuing to provide meaningful offsets to raw material headwinds. Our efforts to align spend to the current environment have helped to bolster our strong margins, even as we prioritize investments across the value chain in anticipation of our markets recovery. Turning to slide 12, regarding our performance in Asia Pacific. During the third quarter, Asia Pacific total segment net sales declined 12% in US dollars but decreased 13% in Australian dollars primarily due to a 28% decrease in volumes partially offset by a 20% rise in ASP. Asia Pacific total segment EBIT margin was 29.3%. EBITDA declined 3% to $40 million and EBITDA margin increased 290 basis points to 33.5%. The decline in net sales and volume and the increase in ASP and margins relates to contribution from the Philippines in the prior year but not in the current year. As a reminder, last August we announced that we would cease manufacturing and wind down commercial operations in the Philippines but we continued to sell product from inventory throughout the second quarter after which contribution was de minimis. As a result, our segment financial results for the third quarter of the fiscal year 2025 overwhelmingly represent sales and profits related only to Australian and New Zealand operations. Whereas the third quarter of fiscal 2024 included a full quarter of results from our Philippines operation. This comparability impact will continue in the fourth quarter and into the first half of fiscal year 2026. Regarding the comparable underlying performance of our remaining business, during the third quarter, Australia and New Zealand together saw a low single digit decrease in volume and a slight increase in ASP leading to relatively flat net sales. EBITDA grew and EBITDA margin expanded as half savings helped offset modestly higher energy costs. Turning to slide 13, Europe net sales declined 1% in both US dollars and euros including a headwind of approximately four percentage points related to the previously discussed favorable rebate true up in the prior year. Regarding our local currency sales performance in the quarter, fiber gypsum products were down mid single digits but were relatively flat excluding the rebate impact. Fibers and end products were up over 20% and high value products grew double digits. Volumes grew 2% benefiting from performance in our high value products but remain subdued as challenges remain in our key European markets, principally Germany. ASP which excludes the prior year rebate true up increased 4% primarily driven by our June 2024 price increase. EBIT margin was .1% inclusive of $8 million of depreciation and amortization expense. EBITDA was $12 million and EBITDA margin was .3% with down to 160 basis points but with underlying margin expansion driven primarily by growth in high value products. Please turn to slide 14. Our strong margins underpin our cash flow and we funded our capital priorities from cash generated by our operations. Year to date, we have generated $657 million of operating cash flow primarily on the strength of our business performance. We invested $333 million into capital expenditures and have deployed $150 million to share repurchases year to date. During FY25, we have continued to execute our pipeline of approved capacity expansion action. At our Prattville, Alabama facility, we completed the expansion of sheet machine number three which went into service in Q2. And the fourth quarter, we will continue work on both sheet machine number four and the color plus finishing line. In Arejo, Spain, our Brownfield expansion remains on track and we are furthering our planning for future capacity expansion projects in North America including our Brownfield expansion in Cleburne, Texas as well as our Crystal City, Missouri Greenfield project. With just six weeks remaining in our fiscal year, we now anticipate FY25 capital expenditures to be approximately $420 million versus our previous range of $420 to $440 million. This reduction reflects our purposeful focus on aligning our capital investment in capacity expansion projects with our near, medium and long-term demand outlook. In North America, the completion and commissioning of Prattville sheet machine number three represented a key milestone as this capacity supports our ability to service recovery in our end markets as well as future growth. Construction on sheet machine number four continues to progress and this important piece of additional capacity will further reinforce our manufacturing footprint as a competitive advantage and plays an essential role in achieving our medium to long-term growth objectives. Regarding capital deployment, we have repurchased 4.5 million shares here to date for a total of $150 million, completing our previously announced repurchase program. In November, the board approved a new repurchase program under which we are authorized to purchase up to 300 million of shares through October of 2025. In response to current market conditions, we have demonstrated a balanced approach between cost discipline and funding our growth strategies. Going forward, we are well positioned to further invest in growth to accelerate our outperformance while executing in our returns driven capital allocation framework. Now, please turn to slide 15 where I will discuss guidance. Consistent with our expectations and market consumer demand for exterior products remains subdued throughout the quarter and has trended in line with typical seasonality into the fourth quarter. That said, the variability of our quarterly volume shipments to date has been primarily influenced by three factors. First, as discussed in August, the second quarter saw a brief market adjustment in new construction related to affordability and housing inventory dynamics. Second, as discussed in November, with our recent price increase effective in January, this costs a higher absolute proportion of orders in third quarter than would be suggested by legacy seasonal trends that were influenced by previous spring price increases. And finally, the timing of when we ship to customers and not when they order from us influences whether volume is recognized in one quarter or another. Importantly, both the strength of our order book in the third quarter as well as the timing of shipments between December and January occurred largely as anticipated. So in summary, we have seen relatively stable demand trends over the last six months, leaving our view of the end markets largely unchanged. And from a volume standpoint with another quarter behind us and just six weeks remaining in the fiscal year, we have confidence in the outlook we provide in November and are reaffirming our operating guidance across the board. We are solidly on track to achieve at least 2.95 billion standard feet of North American volume for the full fiscal year. We anticipate our fourth quarter volume to be approximately in line with the third quarter. Our strong third quarter profitability and continued success in driving cost savings will enable us to deliver North American EBIT margin of at least 29.3%, positioning us well to deliver adjusted net income of at least $635 million. Now please turn to slide 16. Before I turn it back to Erin to discuss FY26, I'd like to provide some additional context around our plans to outperform and drive value in the year ahead and also share what we believe are a few helpful assumptions as we see them today. We are committed to driving profitable growth in our operating businesses and it's imperative that we are aligned as an organization around making decisions that drive cash generation, which funds our growth investments and capital return priorities. We've built our near, medium and long-term plans around this organizational imperative. And to maintain alignment between how we communicate externally and how we run our business, we plan to provide guidance for sales and EBITDA beginning with FY26 in lieu of volume EBIT and net income. To assist in this transition and to reinforce our commitment to also growing EBIT and net income, we are sharing additional non-cash and non-operating modeling assumptions for FY26. These modeling assumptions are presented in detail within today's earnings release, as well as on slide 16 of today's earnings presentation. But in summary, depreciation and amortization expense is assumed to increase around $15 million, primarily related to the impact of sheet machine number three in Prattville, with substantially all of this increase hitting the first half of FY26. With respect to the amount of interest that is incurred related to our debt, the amount of interest that is capitalized related to major construction in progress and our adjusted effective tax rate, we currently assume that each of these items will be relatively similar to FY25. And now I'll turn it back over to Aaron.
Thanks, Rachel. Continuing on slide 16, with our fiscal year drawing to a close, I reflect with pride on the resilience our teams have shown throughout FY25. The opportunity in the years to come is substantial. And the investments we have made throughout the year are foundational enablers of scale and critical accelerators of our future growth. But this year is not over, and our business leaders remain focused on finishing strong to cement a strong foundation for the coming years. Our market demand expectations have not changed. But importantly, neither has our commitment to outperforming our end markets and managing the business decisively to sustain our peer leading profitability. Thanks to the hard work of our teams and our decision to boldly continue investing, we are set up to sustain our leading position in the industry and accelerate our outperformance. We continue to plan for recovery and growth in both repair and remodel and new construction. Our teams continuously evolve our plans to deliver sustained market outperformance and capture the value that our products demand in the marketplace. While it is still too early to quantify our expected results for FY26, we are planning for sales growth and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion across each of our segments and for the company as a whole. And of course, we remain confident that we will achieve our long-term growth and profitability aspirations. Now, please turn to slide 17 where I will conclude our prepared remarks. James Hardy's value proposition as a growth company is highly compelling with three primary pillars for shareholder value creation. First, we have the right strategy, one where our success perpetuates driving even greater success. Second, we have bold ambitions and a talented team that delights in pursuing and achieving challenging goals. And third, our financial profile is attractive and will only continue to improve as we diligently allocate capital and work towards achieving our longer-term aspirations. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.
Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Andrew Scott with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Oh, thank you. Aaron, we hear a lot on these calls in the past about the pedal and clutch approach. At the risk of laboring the metaphor, it's hard to accelerate with the clutch depressed, especially when you're traveling uphill. If we do see another challenging 12 months, is there a point where you have to make a decision between investing in share growth and maintaining those near-term margins?
Yeah, hey, Andrew, great question. Look, I think we've demonstrated, really throughout the last two years, our ability to pedal and clutch and prioritize those growth initiatives that are really gonna help us with our long-term growth. A couple things that we never sacrifice on. Number one is our investment in our customer. That's something that continues as evidenced by the Alliance program, and that's gonna serve us from a long-term standpoint. The other piece is zero harm. That's just part of our foundational imperatives. But I think one of the things that is rather new as we talk about our business, really, over the last two years, is our Hardy operating system. And this is something that is not a one-time initiative. This is really ingrained in our culture. It's the way we get things done and the way we get things done more efficiently. So it was really inspired by HMAS, our Hardy manufacturing operating system. And how do you permeate the rest of the organization with those same guiding principles? How do we get things done more efficiently? We've exhibited this not only in our HMAS system, right? If you look at this year, what I'm particularly proud of, and I have to commend all the manufacturing leaders out there, but also Ryan Kilcullen, who leads our HMAS efforts, is we've had lower volumes this year, but our yields have been at record levels. So as much as we think we've reached a certain level of this is as good as we can get, we continually exceed that. Then I look from a HOSS perspective on things like procurement, which we just centralized about a year and a half ago, reformulations, so the list goes on and on. So to answer your question, yes, we gotta continue with pedal and clutch when needed, but not forgoing investment and long-term growth. But what HOSS is for for us is to help aid in those investments, and also for us to continue to be able to deliver those strong margins without sacrificing our volume growth.
Okay, thank you. And just a second question, just Rachel, if I can, on the buyback, I sense there's some confusion from investors out there, and I appreciate US corporates often take a bit of a different approach to the Aussie corporates, but we're probably accustomed to companies announcing a buyback and then getting into the market as soon as internal governance allows. Can you think it could help us to think about how you approach to the buyback more broadly, and then was there anything specific keeping you out of the buyback at the end of the period?
Absolutely, and first and foremost, after funding organic growth and maintaining our strong balance sheet, share buyback is one of our capital allocation priorities. Share repurchases remain an important tool in our toolkit, and there's no change in our philosophy around capital return. Our current buyback program authorizes us to repurchase up to 300 million of our stock, as we mentioned, through the end of October 2025. We don't have any specific quarterly requirements with that. As a reminder, we did repurchase 150 million so far this year, and it's our policy generally, however, not to comment on the timing and frequency of our share repurchase program.
Your next question comes from Lee Power with
UBS. Please go ahead.
Hi, Aaron. Hi, Rachel. Aaron, just on the color plus commentary in your stuff around succeeding, can you give us an idea of kind of how that's been progressing?
Hey, Lee, can you repeat that? I didn't catch that.
It was just you called out color plus, and in the past you've kind of talked about growth rates for that versus the rest of the market. I think today you talked about color plus succeeding. Can you give us any more incremental color around maybe how that's kind of been progressing given the importance to the business?
Yeah, hey, I got you now, Lee. Hey, just maybe it's good to talk a little bit about the market, right? If we looked at the market, I would characterize it, and I was talking to one of our largest customers today is being a bit choppy out there. You know, if you think about R&R, which is our largest segment, it's down high single digits. New construction is up, we would say, double digits, but trending more towards flat as we get towards the end of our year, and the multifamily is down considerably. You know, I think the importance of calling out color plus is it really talks to some of the investments in our strategy moving forward, right? Particularly focused on R&R. So I will say we're seeing pockets of where we're putting our marketing efforts and more feet on the street, where we're seeing some really good results as it relates to color plus. I think the other thing, you know, we've talked so much about remodeling being down for the last year or so, is for the first time we saw remodeling sentiment improve, really its first increase since Q4 of 2023. So, you know, although the market is down, we always talk about, and we will outperform the market, and our strategy and our investments really point to us getting ready as that market comes back. So that's the importance of color plus for us.
Yeah, I guess you've called out some good things there with the market, and obviously there's seasonality in your business, and then the price increase potentially shifts between the 3Q and the 4Q as well. I think I heard earlier Rachel talk to kind of a flat quarter on quarter volume out coming to the fourth quarter. How do we process that? Does it sound like from your comments that what the market is continuing to slip more despite your R&R comments? Is that the takeaway from that kind of summary? I don't know
that I would say it's flipped more. I would say we got some positive news on the screen, if you will. Rachel, you want to just handle that? What
I'd start with is look, we had a strong third quarter, which gives us confidence to reaffirm that FY25 guidance, right, and so that's kind of step one. And so we are reaffirming what we had. We have always said that guidance at the low end, it precludes and says that we're not expecting market recovery. So we don't have a change view. And what I noted on the call is that we are expecting Q4 volumes to roughly look much like a 3Q volume.
Okay, excellent. Thank you for that. Appreciate it.
Okay, thanks Lee.
Your next question comes from Keith Chow with MSP Marquee. Please go ahead.
Hi, Aaron and Rachel. First question, I just want to cover off of the margin profile of the business. And just noting, for your FY26 planning assumptions, you've talked about high single digit inflation in raw materials, but offset by HOS savings, ultimately leading to growth and margin extension at the EBITDA level. So just keep in understand, perhaps Rachel, what's driving that high single digit cost inflation. We can see it potentially for PULK, but in the other key cost categories, it's not as obvious. And then what does that actually mean for HOS savings? Like what's the quantum we can expect very broadly for FY26, please?
Yeah, so let's talk about FY26 raw materials, where we said we are expecting high single digit inflation. And what are some of the key drivers? Actually for PULK, absent, we don't know of course what's gonna happen with tariffs. The absent tariffs, I think we think that will be probably more benign. I think cement is our usual one that we talk about. Aluminum resins are other ones of some of our raw materials that we are looking at FY26 year over year. Now, having said those expectations, the other important point here is we fully expect that our HOS efforts and HOS savings will offset that inflation. So that is part of more than a mindset. This is something we do every year. And I think as Aaron outlined in his responses, we do feel HOS here is in its infancy, and we have strong planning around how we will address this expected increase in raw material.
Okay, thank you. And it doesn't sound like we'll be furnished guidance on HOS savings, and I can respect that. But perhaps Aaron, these exercises are ongoing. And the challenge always for businesses and programs like this is how do you actually retain those benefits going forward? If the market does come back or costs fall, how do you ensure that the benefits achieved by HOS are retained? And the business doesn't start putting costs back into the business if input costs are moving the other way.
Yeah, Keith, as I said before, HOS is not a one-time initiative. It never ends for us, and it's really permeating in our culture, in every single function, at every single level. We have targets internally as a company, but also we have targets for each functional group as well. So as we started this, this was really about how do we get things done, and how do we get things done more efficiently, and we took the example of our HMOS manufacturing system. So this is not a one and done, this never ends. So this is gonna continue, whether you have challenging markets or when markets come
back, this is gonna be a way of life for us.
Okay, great, thanks very much. Thanks,
Keith.
The next question comes from Keith Hughes with Charest. Please go ahead.
Thank you, just going back to raw materials, we look at the results of the quarter of the merger compression, it's like cost is over price. What input causes the most problems with the right?
So
for three Q, if you look year over year, I've been talking about pulp and cement, I think on every quarter, and this is no exception. So when you look year over year, pulp and cement are significantly up in three Q, that is the majority of what we are seeing in terms of raw material inflation.
Is either one particularly worse than the other one?
No, they're both up.
Yeah, that's fine, okay. So I guess moving forward with the price increase that you put into place for January, will we get to the point during the next calendar year where price does offset cost, or are you gonna need some of this updating to get to even?
Yeah, and to distinguish, I
think we talk about raw material inflation in particular, that's something where we really wanna look to HOSS to help us in particular, but obviously we also do have pricing as a lever, but we don't price based on cost, we really price thinking about our value. So that's something I also wanna make clear that it's not a cost plus way as we think about how we price.
Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I'm just talking in general, what is the price increase in that, so that for example, HOSS could be enhancing the margin, so how do you wanna add it all?
Yeah, hey Keith, it's a good question. I mean, from what we see right now, we're gonna be able to offset most of the raw materials through our pricing, right? If those do go up over, right, which they can change, that's when HOSS is there to help offset the entire amount. HOSS also helps us as we fund growth initiatives, but also obviously helps our margins as well. That's the beauty of it for us. It's an area that we can tap into to help offset rises in raw materials, but also help us
as we try to fund growth initiatives as well.
Okay, thank you.
Your next question comes from Harry Saunders with ENP. Please go ahead.
Good morning, thanks for taking my questions. Firstly, just wondering, despite your comments earlier on R&R sentiment improving, we've seen some very weak R&R comps overnight, calling for the market to be down low to mid single digits in calendar 25. So could you just comment on whether you think volume growth is achievable in FY26 if your end markets were to be down by this much,
please? Yeah, Harry, what I would say is we wouldn't put those
type of planning assumptions out there if we didn't have confidence in it. And the confidence that we have really goes to what we've been talking about for the last two plus years is the value proposition that we offer, the entire value chain, but also augmented by the investments that we've been making in that. So we believe whatever the market does, we're gonna outperform it, but we see R&R, and obviously this can change, as being more flattish out there, and we're gonna be able to grow. So that's the planning assumptions that we put out there. So at this point in time, we feel confident of that.
Understood, thank you. And maybe sort of interrelated with that, what sort of primary demand growth expectations do you think you have into 26? And maybe, could you talk through the various factors that may influence PDG over the next year, please?
Yeah, Harry, and PDG obviously
is a measure we've talked about for years here at James Hardy. It's best to talk about that extended time period at least a year or so. As I said before, we're really confident we're driving market outperformance through the cycle. Part of this too, and I'll let Rachel go through some data, but you have to look at just the sheer amount of wins that we've been having out there, which I think is gonna serve us well as we look forward with our business. Think about new construction. Every single time we talk to you, we continue to gain share with home builders. Today we announced David Weekly Homes. We talked about MI. The list continues to go on and on. And just for your information, we now supply around 80% of all hard siding to home builders doing more than 100 homes per year. 80%, right? And those home builders are talking about, they're gonna grow in calendar year 25. And R&R, we're not only gaining important partnerships. We talked about Thompson Creek, windows and siding. The list goes on and on. But we continue to invest in our Alliance program, which we're adding more and more contractors day after day. So those are some of the highlights. Rachel, you wanna go through some of the data?
Yeah. In light of
the PDG?
We're not really expecting FY26 to be different than historical patterns, and just to cut a little more data around it, if you think about FY23 through FY25, our North American market's been down three years in a row. Cumulatively though, if you look at our exposure or proportions, as you think about our exposure to single family, multi-family and R&R, our market with our mix is down about 20% over that three year timeframe. Our volumes, however, are down only 5% below FY22. So if you kind of extrapolate, it says, what that indicates, if we've had that outperformance over the three year period, that would mean by about 5% per annum over this period. So when we talk about that aspiration for market outperformance, again, we always say it's not in a quarter, it's over a longer period of time, but we have that demonstrated track record and we expect to continue that, particularly with some of the customer wins and customer experiences that Aaron was talking about as we enter FY26.
That's really helpful, thank you. One final related one, if I may, just in the context of high single digit inflation, if markets were to be a bit worse than that flat issue you're talking to, say down low, mid, single digits, given you've already announced pricing for the year, do you still think you could expand margin within that environment?
Yeah, Harry, I don't think we should be speculating on things that are happening.
Thank you. Yep.
Your next question comes from Matthew McKellar with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Hi, thanks for taking my questions and congratulations on your announcements with MI and David Weekly. Just on the back of that, I'd like to ask about your trim attachment rates for new residential business in North America. Can you give us a sense of how your metrics have trended here over the last couple of years and what kind of improvement you've been targeting as we look forward a couple of years out?
Yeah, Matt, great question and thank you for the congratulations. The team's done a fantastic job really partnering with our customers. Look, just very simply, over the last couple of years, we've really been focused on full wrap. So if we think about our trim attachment with all the large builders out there and we talk about some of these deals, most of these new deals that we're talking about include full wrap solutions. So that's obviously gonna increase our trim attachment
as we move forward. Okay, thanks for that, Kellar.
And then next for me, with the threat of tariff issues between the US and Europe, do you see any need to accelerate or assign a higher priority to your plans to build fiber cement capacity in Europe?
Yeah, really good question. You know, if we think about what
we're doing with Europe or we're pleased with how we're progressing. So I've talked about Europe before. I don't think they have the right strategy in Europe. I think we have the right strategy now, very simplified strategy that's really focused on high-value products. So those products that are really profitable for us, it's a fiber gypsum business and also we have a fiber-based business and we have a fiber-cement business. So very simply, we're focused on fiber gypsum wall and floor and the floor product being very innovative. And then our panel product. We need to prove out our ability to win in that market. So we're in early days there. And as we prove that out, I think we'd have more of the right to be able to build a fiber cement plant and substantiate that
type of investment.
Okay, thanks very much. I'll turn it back. Thanks, Matt.
Your next question comes from Al Harvey with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Good morning, team. Just quickly on Pratt Field, just wanted to confirm when the fourth sheet machine will come online and if you can provide any detail on how much is left to come out capex-wise on that project.
Yeah, I'll turn over to Rachel, but very
simply when we need it. So if we think about Pratt Field 3 just coming online this quarter, we have Westfield coming on this quarter. So all big wins for us. The other thing before I turn over to Rachel, I think that we're finding, and I talked about HOSS and our HMOS system, is we're becoming more and more efficient with our manufacturing. So in essence, being able to increase our capacity through our efficiency. But Rachel, you want to talk in more detail?
Yeah, so in terms of sheet machine number four, as you know, we are still in construction. And as Aaron noted, the actual commissioning is dependent on not only the collision and the testing, but as well as market demand. So we have sheet machine three now complete. We've got Westfield complete and continued work. We do feel that we've got really good ability to support that comeback of the market and certainly over the short to medium term. As we think medium to longer term, that is where some of this other capacity that I mentioned in the call went through in detail
will come more into play.
Yeah, sure. Thanks for that, Rachel. And I suppose just following on from that then, I suppose just given that capacity on the organic side, I suppose just wanted to get a sense of how you're thinking about inorganic opportunities at this point in the cycle when you, yeah, I suppose you do have that firepower. You've got Clebben, Crystal City potentially to come through medium term. So yeah, how do you guys balance up the two?
Yeah, Al, look,
really good question. As we think about inorganic, I mean, it's part of, when we think about our capital allocation strategy, it definitely figures in there, right? Organic first, you know, we want to maintain a flexible balance sheet. We want to return capital to shareholders. And look, evaluating inorganic opportunities. We've made it clear for some time now. I mean, really, any potential acquisition has to satisfy three things. It has to accelerate our current strategy, increase our value proposition to our current customers, and then be financially attractive over the long term.
Sure. Thanks, Aaron. Thanks, Rachel.
Thanks,
Al. Your next question comes from Peter Stein with Macquarie. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, Aaron and Rachel. Thanks for your time. Perhaps just want to get a bit of a sense, Aaron, of how you're anticipating the R&R market in the context specifically of some of your decisions to take the architectural panel product national a little bit later in the year, presumably that sort of feeds into a general level of confidence in where you're positioned and how the market may or may not support that at a national level?
Yeah, look, I mean, we talked a little bit about R&R,
Peter, and, you know, some of the indicators out there around R&R that we look at. Look, it's the majority of our business. So we've obviously been investing quite a bit in that when we think about the entire customer value chain. You know, the panel product, I think you're referencing, and we're going to be showcasing that at IBS, is a great product that we've done well with in the Australia market. Also, we brought it over to Europe. I think more than anything, we talk about bringing our customers solutions. So this is just another solution that we can bring to our customers. As
they think about differentiating and bringing the homeowner what they want. So it's all about bringing the right solution to our customers.
Yeah. And perhaps, sorry, maybe I'm getting a little too deep in the weeds here, but that's obviously a pretty high-value product. So how are you thinking about the R&R opportunity in the upper end of the market as opposed to perhaps your bread and butter vinyl replacement market? As the year progresses?
Yeah. Peter,
really good question. Look, as we think about some of the areas, you know, that can come back sooner than others, as we think about the top of the market. So certainly being able to bring those type of products to play are our benefit and helps us really to penetrate that top of the market. It's not only things like panel, but if you're out at IBS, you're going to see things like Artisan Lap, right? Those are all very high-end products that really focus on the top of the market.
Thanks, Aaron. I'll leave it there. Thanks, Peter.
That is all the time we have for questions today. I'll now hand back to Mr. Erta for closing remarks.
Hey, just want to thank everyone for their time,
and I want to thank all the James Hardy team members around the world for all they do and helping us build
a better future for all. Thank you.
That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.