2/26/2025

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Greetings and welcome to Joby Aviation's fourth quarter 2024 conference call and webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. If anyone should require operator assistance during a conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Teresa Thurudil, Joby's head of Invest Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

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Teresa Thurudil
Head of Investor Relations

Thank you. Good afternoon and evening, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us for Joby Aviation's fourth quarter and full year 2024 Financial Results Conference call. I'm Teresa Thurudil, Joby's head of Investor Relations. Today we have remarks from JoBen Bevert, founder and chief executive officer, and Paul Ciara, executive chairman. Didier Papadopoulos, our president of aircraft OEM, will join us for the Q&A portion of the call. Please note that our discussion today will include statements regarding future events and financial performance, as well as statements of belief, expectation, and intent. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied. For a more detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our filings with the SEC and the safe harbor disclaimer contained in today's shareholder letter. The forward-looking statements included in this call are made only as of the date of company does not assume any obligation to update or revise them. Also, during the call, we will refer both to GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP measures is included in our Q4 2024 shareholder letter, which you can find on our Investor Relations website, along with the replay of this call. And with all of that said, I'll now turn the call over to JoBen.

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Theresa, and thanks everyone for joining us today as we discuss our full year 2024 results. Over the last 12 months, we have delivered sector-leading progress across each area that is core to our business – certification, manufacturing, and commercialization. In the last quarter alone, we've made record progress on Stage 4 of type certification. We've delivered our second aircraft to Edwards Air Force Base. We've flown in Korea. Our partners have broken ground on the first -a-port in our Dubai network, and investors new and old have committed more than a billion dollars of additional funding and commitments, including the recently announced $500 million from Toyota. Looking ahead, we see the coming year as an inflection point for Joby and for our industry. We're moving from leadership on aircraft development and testing to leadership on the delivery of service. By the middle of this year, we plan to have an aircraft in Dubai, where it will be used to demonstrate our readiness to begin carrying our first passengers, which we target for later this year or early next year. This will mark one of the most important milestones in our sector's history, and I'm so proud that Joby continues to lead the way. We are also leading the way on scaled manufacturing. Joby is the only air taxi company that has delivered multiple EVTOL aircraft from a production line, with four aircraft delivered from our marina facility to date, including one this past quarter. At the end of last year, we hit our target of delivering parts equivalent to one aircraft per month, and we continue to ramp up that capacity. That means we have the parts and the aircraft to complete unprecedented levels of component and subcomponent tests alongside an increasing cadence of flights. In a very significant moment for Joby, we used these parts to complete four-credit testing on a major aerostructure for the first time this quarter. And we completed our first ground-based TIA testing using a conforming flight deck. This was the first time that either of those achievements have been made in our sector, once again demonstrating Joby's leadership. In terms of aircraft, we now have five in our test fleet, with a second aircraft delivered to the DoD at Edwards Air Force Base this quarter. We also deployed one of our aircraft to Korea to become the first EVTOL to fly as part of their KUAM Grand Challenge, building on our recent demonstration in Japan. The progress we have made with testing, both on the ground and in the air, means that we're now able to confirm that we expect to begin TIA flight testing in the U.S., the final step of the FAA certification process, within the next 12 months. And we laid the groundwork for that effort by welcoming FAA pilots and technical staff assigned to our certification program to marina this quarter. They flew a series of tests in our simulator that are exactly the same as those we intend to complete as part of our TIA flight testing. They also witnessed our pilots perform those same tests as part of our ongoing inhabited flight testing campaign. Turning to our work with the DoD, there has been a lot of talk in recent weeks from other companies about how much opportunity there is for VTOL aircraft in the defense space. And I want to be clear that we share that view. But it's nothing new for Joby. We have been talking about defense tech for more than eight years, and not just talking about it, but actually delivering on it. We have already trained U.S. Air Force pilots to fly aircraft. We've already trained DoD mechanics to maintain them. And we're the only electric air taxi company to have delivered an aircraft to a government customer on base, which we've now done twice. We also understand the opportunity presented by hybrid VTOL aircraft. And as we demonstrated in 2024, our vertically integrated approach enables us to rapidly adapt our platform with a hybrid powertrain to suit an expanded mission set. In July last year, we flew a hybrid hydrogen electric VTOL aircraft, 561 miles, and we the only air taxi company to have demonstrated that capability, completing multiple 500-plus mile full transition vertical takeoff and landing flights. The leading progress we have made on our core program continues to ensure that Joby is in the best possible position to capitalize on wider opportunities. And with the renewed interest in U.S. leadership on innovation, we're excited about the opportunities ahead. The next 12 months are going to be incredibly exciting for Joby as we look to bring our service to life. And I'm pleased that our partners and our investors share that excitement. Over the last quarter, we've worked closely with Delta and Uber to showcase our product, and we continue to make important inroads across key U.S. markets such as New York and L.A. We also continue to have one of the strongest balance sheets in the sector. And I believe it's a very significant signal that our existing investors and partners like Toyota and Bailey Gifford, those who know us best, keep deepening their investments and partnership in Joby. In the case of Toyota, their previous investments and the additional commitments made recently far exceed the amount invested by any other strategic investor in the industry. And we're excited to be working together to form a strategic manufacturing alliance as we look towards scale production. Toyota is backed by stable management and a deep balance sheet, and they have a track record of long-term commitments to solving tough challenges, something that cannot be said for all auto manufacturers these days. We have an incredible 12 months ahead of us with goals that will really bring our technology to life. We have the team to deliver on those goals. We have the balance sheet to support them. We have the best possible partners alongside us, and we have supportive ecosystems here in the U.S. and overseas. This is our moment as an industry, and I'm proud that Joby continues to lead the way. Paul, over to you.

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Thanks, Joven. Turning to our results, you'll find detailed financials in our fourth quarter and full year 2024 shareholder letter on our website. But I'll briefly summarize and share additional comments here. For the period ending December 31, 2024, we had cash and short-term investments totaling $933 million. This includes net proceeds from an underwritten equity offering of $222 million in October, as well as $128 million in net proceeds from the -the-market offering we announced in December. We are working through the final steps of our agreement with Toyota in order to access the first of two $250 million investment tranches expected this year, and I'm pleased to say all regulatory approvals are now in place for that first tranche. When added to the $933 million in cash and short-term investments on our balance sheet at year end, that would exceed $1.4 billion. Looking back at the fourth quarter of 2024, we incurred a net loss of $246 million, reflecting a loss from operations of about $150 million and other losses of $97 million. The other loss largely reflected the non-cash loss on the revaluation of derivative liabilities of $107 million related to our warrants and earn-out shares, partially offset by interest and other income of $10 million. Our net loss increased by approximately $102 million compared to the third quarter, with the difference primarily due to the non-cash loss we recorded on revaluation of warrants and earn-out shares, reflecting the increase in our share price over the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAP metric that we reconcile to our net income in our shareholder was a loss of $119 million in the recently completed fourth quarter. Our adjusted EBITDA loss was approximately $23 million higher compared to the same period last year, reflecting the growth in our organization and expenses necessary to support manufacturing and certification. Change in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments during 2024, excluding the net of $440 million. The total of our proceeds from public offerings was $450 million, coming in, as expected, at the lower end of our guidance of $440 to $470 million. As we look to the year ahead, we continue to focus on advancing our testing and certification program, as well as laying the groundwork for first passenger operations. We expect our 2025 use of cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments to be between $500 and $540 million. This reflects our assumptions for hiring in areas such as certification and manufacturing, higher R&D expenditures, which include building more parts to support certification and manufacturing, as well as higher capital expenditures. As a reminder, with the support of the CalComPETES grant, we are expanding our manufacturing facility in Marina, California, more than doubling our footprint there to support expanded manufacturing and flight training. This is expected to provide sufficient space for more than double our annual production capacity over time at this site. Additionally, we'll begin to have our Ohio facility start building aircraft components to support production and aircraft assembly in California. With these investments, you can expect our capital expenditure to increase from the $41 million we spent in 2024, as we build out our facilities in both Marina and Ohio. As JoBen stated at the top of the call, the next 12 months will mark a pivotal year for Joby and our broader industry. We'll be delivering our first aircraft to Dubai in the middle of the year, and we have clear line of sight to beginning flight TIA testing and carrying our first passengers. We believe we continue to lead our sector on FAA certification, standing up scalable manufacturing, and preparing markets around the world for commercial operations. At Joby, we've always prioritized delivery and building long-term value over short-term hype. The coming year will be no different. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please begin the Q&A.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Andre Shepard with Cancer Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question.

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Andre Shepard
Analyst, Cancer Fitzgerald

Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. Congratulations on the quarter, and thanks for taking our questions. Joby, I'm wondering if you could maybe flush out a bit further the opportunities that you see with the military, maybe both in the near term and in the future. I know you alluded to it on your prepared remarks. I'm just wondering if you could elaborate a bit further on what kind of opportunities you see expanding with your relationship with the military. Thank you.

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Andres. I'll add a few comments there and then also invite Paul to share his thoughts. As I spoke about, we've been working with the DOD for eight years now. And those opportunities have really expanded significantly. And I think the DOD sees as we do the incredible potential of the technology stack that we're building and the vertical integration that we've embraced. And we think we can do a number of very important things as we look to the future, both with our current technology and our future technology. And with that, I'll also hand it over to Paul.

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Yeah. Thanks, Andres. I think when it comes to our broader government strategy, it's really a sort of continuation of work, as JB mentioned, that we've been doing for eight years. We always knew that the work with Agility Prime would be an important stepping stone for broader opportunities across the DOD. And we are really pleased to have sort of delivered on important milestones with that customer set. That includes, as mentioned, the delivery of now a second aircraft to Edwards and an opportunity to train pilots, to give them training on maintenance, really all of the building blocks that will set us up for success. When we think about broadening the opportunity to other government customers over time. As we've mentioned in prior calls, we've already brought other groups, like the Marines, into a lot of that testing. And I think that sets us up well, both to have really great visibility across the different opportunities within government and now a demonstrated record of execution to kind of capture those opportunities. One of the things that I think was mentioned was the hybrid work. Longer range is certainly a priority for government customers. And we're really pleased to have shown that this is a platform that can be readily extensible to those longer range missions with the 550 mile flight of the hydrogen hybrid aircraft that we demonstrated last summer.

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Andre Shepard
Analyst, Cancer Fitzgerald

Got it. That's super helpful. I appreciate all that color. Maybe just as a quick follow up, switching to Dubai. So you mentioned your plan to deliver an aircraft there this year and to begin flights with passengers either later this year or early next year. I guess I'm curious if you can maybe share with us your vision in terms of what commercialization in Dubai might look like and how quickly you see that market ramp it up. Thank you.

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Andreas. So Dubai is an incredible opportunity for us. We're so excited about taking our first aircraft there and beginning in market testing. We also are very pleased I was with the Crown Prince when we did the groundbreaking for the first Vertebrate over there and to see the excitement and the lean in from all levels of the Dubai government in this new age of mobility is really fantastic. The momentum is building and as we get aircraft in market and begin testing, we think that that's going to continue to be the case. And then as we look to scaling that, we're building out not just the Vertiports but also the app and all of the pieces of the ecosystem as we bring more aircraft to the market and progressively grow that and build a really valuable service for customers not just in Dubai but across the region.

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Andre Shepard
Analyst, Cancer Fitzgerald

Wonderful. Thank you very much again. That's super helpful. Congrats on the quarter and I'll pass it on.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Pierce with Needham and Company. Please proceed with your question.

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Chris Pierce
Analyst, Needham and Company

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Just looking at the certification slide, the delta between the blue line and the gray line, should we read anything into that given headlines out of D.C. about staffing government agencies and are you seeing anything on the FAA side that's maybe slowing things down on the certification front or

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Andre Shepard
Analyst, Cancer Fitzgerald

is it

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Chris Pierce
Analyst, Needham and Company

just normal kind of ebb and flow?

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Thanks a lot, Chris. This is Paul. Contrary to what it might look like, we actually had record progress in terms of FAA certification of documentation last quarter. So every indication we have at this point is that the FAA is fully engaged with our program and doing the work they need to do as we do the work we need to do. That was also on demonstration as I think was mentioned in the sort of earlier prepared remarks in a large FAA delegation that was down to see the very same flight testing that the FAA themselves will do for TIA. So both in terms of documentation, both in terms of the level of engagement at the agency, we've seen really accelerating support and progress in terms of the work that they have to do. So in the data, in the actions of the agency on a -to-day basis, things seem great.

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Chris Pierce
Analyst, Needham and Company

Okay,

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

perfect. And then you

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Chris Pierce
Analyst, Needham and Company

talk about the five aircraft in your test fleets. Is this helping you sort of get towards like a production cadence maybe you could share guidance on? The reason I ask is I know that your fleet is going to be leveraged to air taxi operations versus OEM and there's a lot of imprecision around modeling what that might look like. But if we could sort of like if there was a production guidance cadence of a certification aircraft that sort of might help kind of lower the uncertainty there, I'd just be curious around any sort of guidance you could give on production.

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Hey Chris, this is Paul again. I'll answer a little bit of it and then I might ask Didier to sort of comment on the manufacturing progress. But in terms of your comment on OEM versus fully vertically integrated, look it's important to note that we have really both models that we've been actively supporting. We think that there are going to be some markets and some opportunity sets where a more fully vertically integrated model is appropriate, like for example here in the U.S. However, in other markets outside of the U.S. with other customer bases, we expect that the business model is going to look a little bit more like a sale and support or a lease model. So I think that we actually have an opportunity to blend both of those models both now and in turn over time. Regarding the manufacturing side of things, we felt really good about where we stood with respect to overall volume from the facilities last year. As was mentioned, we were at one aircraft's worth of parts per month, which was the goal for the year. The thing that we are focused on this year is ensuring that an increasing number of those manufacturing lines and parts that come off those manufacturing lines are conforming. That is built to sort of SAFA specifications. So this year is not so much about volume, but really ensuring that the parts that we build are appropriate for the stage and certification that we're at. And the progress there has been quite good. At least on the composite side, we're already doing more than 95% of the composites on a conforming basis. So that's really good progress against that important goal this year.

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Didier Papadopoulos
President, Aircraft OEM

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Saavi Sith with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

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Saavi Sith
Analyst, Raymond James

Hey, good afternoon. Can you provide a little bit along those lines just how many aircraft bills are you contemplating in that 2025 budget? And how many of those will be kind of more production prototype versus certification conforming aircraft? I'm guessing the aircraft that you plan to send to Dubai is the production prototype and not certification conforming, I just want to clarify that as well.

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Didier Papadopoulos
President, Aircraft OEM

Yeah, thanks for the question. I'll jump in. This is D.J. I'll answer this by building a bit more on what Paul said. Key between last year and this year is last year was highly focused on the manufacturing side on building that manufacturing muscle and the cadence in ramping up the airplanes in which we've demonstrated by achieving a capacity of one aircraft's worth of part by the end of last year. This year is going to be highly focused on a mix of building parts that go towards FAA conformable airplanes, so complete airplanes, as well as a lot of parts that are going to go towards building FAA conforming test assets or parts of airplanes. All right. So we demonstrated last year, for example, that we built a fully conforming tail. We went through that test and finished that tail. We're going to be doing quite a bit more of these things this year. So this year, the manufacturing is going to be focused on a mix. That's the key thing. While at the same time, we continue to increase the ramp up. And one of the key things about the ramp up is we're not stopping there, as can be seen by the expansion we're having in Marina, where we are growing our footprint, as well as the expansion that we're seeing here in Ohio, where we're also growing our footprint and we'll start delivering parts this year. So the airplanes that we're going to be producing are going to be a progression towards increased conformity one after the other.

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Saavi Sith
Analyst, Raymond James

And the aircraft that you're sending to Dubai is?

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Didier Papadopoulos
President, Aircraft OEM

The aircraft that we're sending to Dubai is one of the airplanes that we have in our fleet today that's been demonstrated, flies on a regular basis, honestly, most weeks. And that's a progression of those airplanes that we've been building and we will continue to build throughout this year.

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Saavi Sith
Analyst, Raymond James

I appreciate that, Didier. And maybe, Paul, just a clarification on your Toyota investment comments. Are there any milestones or commitments that you need to finalize to unlock that first tranche? And also, is it fair to assume that the second tranche then will not be in 2025?

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Hey, Savvy, this is Paul. I want to make sure I understand the question. So the question was, are there any commitments or deliverables that we need to do for the first and second tranche?

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Saavi Sith
Analyst, Raymond James

Exactly, yes.

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

So the short answer is yes, there are a number of sort of regulatory and in turn business things that we need to sort of make sure that are done. Those have been moving forward well on the first tranche and we certainly feel like they're going to move well on the second tranches to kind of get everything done this year.

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Saavi Sith
Analyst, Raymond James

So there's a, I guess, not putting you, but just there's a high probability that both tranches kind of show up in 2025. Is that fair?

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Yes, extremely high probability.

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Saavi Sith
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you. Sure.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. And as a reminder, if anyone has any questions, you may press star one on your telephone keypad in order to join the queue. Our next question comes from the line of Bill Peterson with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

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Bill Peterson
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, hi, good afternoon. Thanks for all the details on the call. I wanted to come back to the defense applications and acknowledging the airplane and some of the work you're doing there. I guess first, when you think of this opportunity, is this including combat missions or are these more logistics and other things? Are you able to expand your market opportunity and if so, how do you view the market opportunity longer term? And I guess with the changes in agility prime, what does it mean for your existing programs? Would we expect that this would in fact shift more towards hybrid, potentially hydrogen hybrid or other applications? Just trying to get a sense for what the market opportunity looks like and how we should think about it over the next few years.

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Hi Bill, this is Paul. Happy to pick that one up. So with respect to the broader government opportunity, look, it is the case that the Army, for example, operates the largest number of existing rotorcraft and many of those are -the-art technology 20 or 30 years ago. So there are opportunities for lots of important modernization across a very large fleet and that's just one customer of quite a few branches, not to mention other opportunities in government at large. With respect to agility prime, look, that has served the purpose that we always expected it to serve, which is an important stepping stone and an opportunity to demonstrate capabilities that would then be applicable to other programs and other customers in government. And on that count, we feel really good about the progress. I won't obviously repeat that work, but we're really pleased that we got all of that done. And I think it sets us up for success in terms of both our visibility to and our capability to execute against other programs down the line. Regarding hybrid, um, certainly for government customers, longer range is a priority. And we feel really good that we already had an opportunity to demonstrate that this aircraft can have other energy sources plugged in to get that longer range. So I think that the changes in agility prime are very much in line with the technical trajectory that we've already demonstrated, both a hybrid longer range and pieces like autonomy that we obviously had an opportunity to acquire with our acquisition of X-Wing.

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Bill Peterson
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Yeah, thanks for that. And then I wanted to follow up on the commentary around the TIA flight testing in the next 12 months. And what does that mean, I guess, in terms of the ramifications for when that can mean entry in the service? If this happens over the next 12 months, should we assume that entry in the service is kind of more of a 2027 timeframe in the U.S.? Is there some kind of lag after that process? Maybe just need to understand a bit more of what this flight testing, TIA flight testing really means.

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, thank you. So we're really excited about the momentum we're seeing as we take the five aircraft that we're flying today and then we anticipate and run all of the internal flight tests against the FAA flight test. I think as we mentioned earlier, having the FAA pilots who will be doing these TIA flight tests here with us running these flight profiles in the simulator, watching our pilots fly, many of those inhabited, was fantastic and laid the groundwork for it. So we're seeing a ton of momentum, really looking forward to beginning the TIA flight test. And I think as you can think about this, that I think about this as that we're in the home stretch. And, you know, once we have what, you know, once we've gotten into the TIA flight test, we've got the finish line of type certification in our sites. And so I'm very pleased with the momentum we're seeing, the engagement we're seeing from the FAA across all the different levels. And, yeah, excited about the launch of operations in Dubai as well.

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Bill Peterson
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks, Joe Benetol.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Azizula with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

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David Azizula
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, thanks for taking my question. Didier, Joe Ben, follow up a little bit on that. Want to make sure I understand the change in language you guys used regarding passenger operations. I think last year you said something like as early as the end of 2025. And this quarter, I think you said targeting later this year or early next year. Just maybe unpack a little bit the change in language. Was there something that drove that? Are you expecting something different or is this a finer point in what you're trying to say?

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

We are seeing fantastic momentum and a great lean in from the GCAA. But there is still work to do. And once we get the aircraft there and begin in market testing, we'll have better fidelity on that timeline.

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David Azizula
Analyst, Barclays

Great. Thanks. And then if we could just follow up a little on Savi's question. What do you have right now? I know you've mentioned the tail and a couple subsystems. What do you have for conforming systems? And what's the plan on building, producing conforming systems as you ramp up towards the TIA test phase?

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Didier Papadopoulos
President, Aircraft OEM

Yeah, thanks for the question. We talked about the pyramid of the airplane in the past few times where at the bottom you get some of the smaller components, electronics and such, and then you move into the subsystems, systems in the airplane. We kind of were driving with pathfinders on many of these. You may recall we talked about flight control computer and the tail and so on. This year you'll see expansion and acceleration on all of these layers of that pyramid. So we have multiples of electronics components now already built in conforming stage and we'll be going through environmental testing and so on. On the airframe side we're moving into the fuse testing and some of the subcomponents of the fuse, for example. And then we're also moving into some of the lower level aspects of software electronics and so on. So it's really across all of the aircraft. And that's exactly where we want to be at this point in preparation for TIA.

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Yeah. And sorry, this is Paul. I just wanted to sort of jump in on one thing. Look, this question of conformity is one that I know lots of folks in the industry are talking about. And we've certainly worried that there's been a little bit of confusion about what we mean by conformity relative to some others. For us, conformity means something really very specific. That's like an aircraft made up of parts and subsystems for which the FAA has already approved the design requirements, the manufacturing processes, and in some cases the test plans. So that means you can't be FAA conforming until you receive approval from the FAA on these documents. That's part of the reason why we've been so focused and have been trying to focus you on the certification chart and sort of where we stand on that with respect to certification. Because look, without agreement between the OEM, Joby in this case, and the regulator on exactly how the testing will be conformed at the component level, the system level, and then all the way up to the aircraft level, there's still a lot of remaining uncertainty. And the progress on the is therefore highly coupled to what you can conform and when you can conform it. So that's obviously a little bit different than I think other people are talking about with respect to conformity. Maybe it's a might be conforming or will be conforming or they think it's going to be conforming. For us, when we say conforming, we mean that it has all these very specific pieces of documentation already in place and approved by the FAA.

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David Azizula
Analyst, Barclays

That's a very helpful cover. Thanks, Paul. Thanks, Adia.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Edison Yu with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

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Edison Yu
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hey, thank you for taking my question and congrats on the progress you made during the quarter. So my first question is, so we know like one of your competitors is competing for a program of record with DoD using the hybrid so is there anything that would technically stop you for competing for this?

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

Hi, this is Paul. As we mentioned a number of times, I think our footprint and visibility inside of the DoD is one of the best in the industry, largely owing to the deliveries that we've already done on the existing agility prime program. With respect to visibility on programs, I think we've got a lot of that and there's certainly nothing that prohibits us from ensuring that we find the right opportunities and can execute against them.

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Edison Yu
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, gotcha. So my second question is about what you are thinking of getting on pilots in the latest version of the aircraft flying at a high altitude. So would you need to do this first in the US before attempting UAE?

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Laura. So as I mentioned, we have five aircraft in our flight test fleet and we're both flying those both remotely and inhabited. You mentioned high altitude. I think we're the only company in the industry that has flown to high altitude, that has flown to high speed, that has really validated a significant portion of the performance envelope and the capabilities of our aircraft. And we're very pleased with the performance that we've been able to achieve and really looking forward to expanding, you know, continuing to expand the envelope and also prove that out inhabited.

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Edison Yu
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Austin Mweather with Kenna Corregenuity. Please proceed with your question.

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Austin Mweather
Analyst, Kenna Corregenuity

Hi, good afternoon. So just my first question here, if we just lay out the fact pattern. So Dubai expects passenger flights this year or early next year, they expect to have established the full routes within 20 months. But the FAA TIA flight testing of the type conforming plane is supposed to happen within the next 12 months. And you're expecting to build a fully type conforming full size aircraft in 2025. So with the aircraft that you're shipping to Dubai, would Dubai be waiting for FAA approval to fly passengers or would they maybe fly some on a demonstration or waiver basis in between cities or within Dubai?

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Austin. Yeah, as you mentioned, we're very excited about getting one of the aircraft that we're currently flying to Dubai to begin doing in market testing and excited to be have the opportunity to begin carrying passengers either late this year or early next year. And we're also extremely pleased with the rate of progress that we're making and the multiple aircraft that we have currently going through our manufacturing process in Marina. And, you know, as Paul mentioned, 95% of the composite parts that we're currently building are conformable. It's indicative of the really strong momentum. And as Paul mentioned, the huge mountain of work that we've done that has laid the foundation to allow us to be building these FAA conforming aircraft and FAA conforming test articles, which is so vital to being able to now have line of sight to the TIA.

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Austin Mweather
Analyst, Kenna Corregenuity

Okay, that's helpful. And just a follow up. Do you have any commentary around the effect of rotor wash on the vertiport infrastructure?

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, thank you very much. This is a critical element and something that is foundational to the design of our aircraft. We have one of the lightest disk loadings in the industry, maybe the lightest disk loading in the industry, which results in substantially lower outwash speeds. And this has been validated by work that we've done with NASA. And I think one of a huge unappreciated value of our aircraft design and something that we think is going to be crucial as we move to market.

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Austin Mweather
Analyst, Kenna Corregenuity

And that would mean that the tip speed on the props is lower than competitors, correct?

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

We have very low tip speeds and large rotor diameters and the combination results in slower outwash and less particulate and that sort of thing. So we're very, very pleased with the results from both the NASA studies and from our years of flight testing.

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Austin Mweather
Analyst, Kenna Corregenuity

That's great caller. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Amit Dale with AC Wainwright. Please proceed with your question.

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Amit Dale
Analyst, AC Wainwright

Thank you for taking my questions. With respect to the Toyota investment, is that straight equity or is some of that going to be

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Paul Ciara
Executive Chairman

straight equity? Hi, I'm Ed, it's Paul. So all of the two $250 million tranches on that investment are straight equity. And importantly, not this investment, none of the other Toyota investments had warrants or sort of other kickers sort of as part of the

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Amit Dale
Analyst, AC Wainwright

deal. Mr. Thank you. And then for the buy operations, these are just going to be easy to aircraft sales to that operation, right? Or are we also expecting to generate or participate in any revenues from those operations in the future?

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, thank you for that question and allowing us to clarify. These are Joby-owned and operated aircraft and will be operated by the Joby team based in Dubai.

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Amit Dale
Analyst, AC Wainwright

Okay. Any color on the unit of economics of the operations or is that a little early for us to dive into?

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

A little bit early yet.

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Amit Dale
Analyst, AC Wainwright

Okay. That's all I have, guys. I'll take questions. Thank you.

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JoBen Bevert
Founder & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you so much.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. And this also concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. We do thank you for your participation.

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