LCI Industries

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. And welcome to the Q1 2020 LCI industry. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star one. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to hand the conference over to Victoria Zybris and Best Relations. Please go ahead. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to LCI Industries' first quarter 2020 conference call.

I am joined on the call today by members of LCI's management team, including Jason Lippert, President, CEO, and Director, and Brian Hall, Executive Vice President and CFO. Management will be discussing their results in just a moment, but first, I'd like to inform you that certain statements made in today's conference call regarding LCI Industries' and its operations may be considered forward-looking statements under the securities laws and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. As a result, the company cautions you that there are a number of factors, many of which are beyond the company's control, which would cause actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. These factors are discussed in the company's earnings release and in its Form 10-Q and its other filings with the SEC. The company disclaims any obligation or undertaking to update forward-looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward-looking statements are made, except as required by law. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jason Lippert. Jason?

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to LCI's first quarter 2020 earnings call. In what rapidly evolved into the most challenging operating environment in our company history, we delivered solid performance during the first quarter. Our first quarter was off to a strong start until the first week of March, so we are very encouraged about our trajectory. I'm incredibly proud of the agility of our team in response to the escalated COVID-19 pandemic late in the quarter. Thanks to the team's efforts, we were able to make necessary steps to protect the health and safety of our team members while effectively manage costs and mitigate downside risk to our business. During the quarter, we reported revenues of $660 million, up 11% compared to last year. This top-line growth was largely driven by the successful execution of our diversification strategy and the efficient integration of the nine acquisitions we completed over a 12-month span, in addition to outperforming in the RBOEM space. Before I discuss our results in more detail, let me quickly touch on the impact we have seen as a result of COVID-19, as well as the steps we are taking to confront challenges brought on by the pandemic. To prioritize the well-being of our team members, maintain compliance with federal and state mandates, and better align our production with current demand levels, on March 25th we announced the temporary suspension of our production at select manufacturing facilities across the U.S. and Europe. During the shutdown, 15 of our sites remained active and operational, continuing to produce items deemed essential. At these sites, we've operated with a heightened focus on safety, utilizing reduced staff as appropriate, adhering to social distancing guidelines, and implementing increased cleaning and sanitization processes. Our team members have always been the most valuable part of our organization, and over the past six weeks, our efforts have focused on providing support to them and the communities where over 90 facilities operate as we work to do our part to help combat this virus. For team members facing the most extreme difficulties due to the COVID-19 health crisis, we have established a temporary emergency fund to be utilized for immediate aid. and we will continue to encourage and support team member-initiated volunteer efforts. In addition, we have donated personal protective equipment and other supplies throughout our local communities. We are also manufacturing 60,000 medical face shields for doctors and nurses in Italy to help those on the front lines in the fight against COVID-19. As government mandates have begun to lift nationwide, our customers have largely come back online during levels of production, and accordingly, we began restarting most of our plants last week and this week. As our production continues to start back up, we will be following the guidance of the World Health Organization, as well as state and federal governments implementing our COVID-19 health and safety playbook, where new protocols help create a safer environment for our team members in this post-COVID environment. During this challenging time, we have continued cultivating our dealer-distributor and e-commerce relationship. Encouragingly, during the last couple of weeks, we have seen positive signs from RV and boat dealers selling significantly more inventory than expected as the weather is turning and customers are preparing to get out and behave more normally again. That said, our teams have properly adjusted the business costs to prepare for what we expect to be the new volume in the coming months. In addition, as with 9-11 and the 2008-2009 recession, we expect there to be business to pick up as a result of suppliers that have difficulty coming back from them. We have had to make a lot of difficult decisions in order to adjust the business to operate efficiently in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. But we are well positioned to move forward and emerge from this as a stronger company. Our ability to react very, very quickly to withstand a prolonged downturn scenario has been a proven strength of our business over the last two large economic disruptions. Our financial position remains strong, supported by ample liquidity and cash on hand. However, as market demand continues to shift, we have implemented critical cost-saving measures to enhance our flexibility, ensuring that we will be able to further manage through this challenging environment for the foreseeable future. Two of our senior VPs and I have reduced our base salaries 25%, while other members of the executive leadership team, general managers, and executives across the business are participating in meaningful temporary adjustments to their respective base salaries as well. Our board of directors has also reduced each director's quarterly retainer by 25%. We have not yet established the duration of these temporary compensation adjustments, but will continue to carefully review executive and director compensation as well as other salary personnel costs as we get back to a more normalized environment. We have taken the unfortunate but necessary steps to adjust our workforce by reducing staff, freezing travel, enacting temporary hiring freezes in all locations, and implement furloughs where necessary, and many other measures to match the new demand of the business. Capital expenses are being delayed where practical, and we are also reducing or eliminating non-critical business expenses. And lastly, we will be engaging in ongoing discussions with customers and vendors to determine pricing and input cost adjustments where possible, closely monitoring inventories and implementing aggressive strategies around working capital management in order to preserve our cash flow generation. While COVID-19 presents a level of uncertainty many of us have never seen, We believe the fundamentals of the RV and the boating industries remain very strong, now more than ever. As a result of this crisis, we have an incredible opportunity to introduce more people to RVing and boating. We anticipate that most will be significantly altering their summer vacation plans as air travel, hotel stays, cruises, and travel to large metro areas are going to be largely reduced. RVs and boats provide a wonderful alternative for people to get outside and vacation safely with their families in this new normal environment. Whether short or long trips, RVs and boats allow families to control the destination, who they are around, and most importantly, the place they stay. After an extended duration of self-quarantining, family, community, and the outdoors have become increasingly more important to people, which is what the RV and boating lifestyle embodies in the first place. We believe that there will be a new vacation normal and feel that RV and boats are in a prime position to check all the boxes that families will be looking to check, including that of affordability. Lastly, people are getting outdoors in significant numbers, and experiences are what people are craving at this moment. Our industries have a great answer for families considering new ways to vacation, and it certainly doesn't seem like there has been a better time to consider a boat or an RV. In addition, the same fundamental and secular drivers for our business that have historically moved our company forward are still relevant today, and we believe they will drive further growth long after the pandemic has passed. Turning to the segment results for the quarter, we started the year off strong with RV OEM retail sales trending positively and largely outperforming industry expectations in January and February. While RV dealers spent the majority of the last year working to right-size their inventories, the industry was certainly well-positioned headed into 2020 as inventory levels were largely normalized. Global RV OEM sales were $345 million for the quarter, down 5% versus the prior year periods. This decrease was largely due to the impact of COVID in the final two weeks of March. Despite this lower demand and production environment, content for Total RV adjusted to remove fury on sales from prior periods increased 3% year-over-year to $3,354. Driven by new product innovation, market share gains and the reversal of the deep contenting trend we have seen over prior quarters. We saw a slight decline in content per motorhome RV, which decreased 5% year-over-year to $2,327, driven by a shift in wholesale mix towards smaller Class C units. Our diversification strategy has proven critical in navigating through this challenging operating environment, positioning us for the long-term growth in an extended downturn scenario. Adjacent markets, aftermarket, international markets now make up more than 46% of our total net sales for LCI. a significant increase compared to 39% of total sales at this time last year. Given the progress we are making each quarter, we remain on track to reach our target of having these markets make up 60% of our total revenues by 2022. We have successfully doubled quarterly revenues in our aftermarket and international segments to $127 million and $61 million respectively, which mitigated what would have been a larger impact from COVID-19 on our overall performance. Ultimately, our diversification program allowed us to outperform the larger core markets. Our long-term strategy remains solidly intact, and we will remain focused and diligent on expanding our presence outside of the North American RV business through both continued organic growth and acquisitions. Revenue in our adjacent market category for the first quarter increased 10%, with solid growth at the start of the year, partially offset by the temporary production shutdown throughout marine and other adjacent businesses. As a reminder, Marine is our largest channel in the adjacent market segment and has been a continued area of growth for us. Despite the disruption to production in Marine, we remain focused on growing our product portfolio, integrating our latest acquisitions into the business, and strengthening our presence in this market. After introducing new cutting-edge technology and innovative sunshade awning systems through the acquisitions of Power Arm brand of electric Bimini's and SureShade electric awnings for larger boats in 2019, We are now the predominant player in North America and Europe for marine shade solutions. Being the predominant player will help position us nicely for more innovation in the marine segment in the years to come. Further, customers in manufactured housing and specialty vehicles were less impacted by recent disruptions and were contributors to growth in the adjacent market segment. As we look forward, we continue to seek new opportunities to build market share across all our adjacent markets and add content in a wide range of industries. Our aftermarket segment experienced tremendous growth, more than doubling revenues on a year-over-year basis, largely the result of our acquisition of the Kirk Group in late 2019. As anticipated, the aftermarket has continued to offset weakness experienced in our core OEM markets, which will continue to be a competitive advantage for LCX. In recent weeks, we only saw a 35% reduction in revenues in the aftermarket business, as many of our aftermarket products are considered essential items. Although showrooms were closed, many RV dealers continued to navigate leads online and get creative with the consumers for the sale and service of RVs. The integration of CURT is progressing as planned. We continue to take advantage of new cost synergies and have already benefited from some of the cross-selling synergies including new distribution channels, expanded dealer and customer networks, and broadened product offerings. In addition, CURT has an incredibly strong reputation for product innovation, engineering, and brand excellence. We are continuing to launch and sell through to new customers their latest products like Better Way and Echo, and are excited about the innovation and R&D capabilities of the overall business and strategy. As we continue to grow the business, integrate our recent acquisitions, and innovate new products for the aftermarket, we are confident we will be able to drive market share growth and use our size, product breadth, and customer relationships to strengthen our leadership position here. Our international business also doubled during the first quarter compared to the prior year due to the series of acquisitions we recently completed. In January of this year, we closed on the acquisition of the Netherlands-based Polyplastic Group, a leading manufacturer of acrylic window products and a strong supplier and innovator for the European caravan industry. This latest acquisition, combined with our acquisitions at Lumar Marine, LaVette, Semto, and Chiesa in 2019, provide us with the necessary products, brand power, innovation capabilities, and leadership teams to really grow our presence in the caravan, rail, and marine industries across Europe. As in the case of North America, the ultimate impact of COVID-19 on the European market is still unknown. Several of our manufacturing facilities in Europe temporarily shut down to ensure the health and safety of our team members and comply with federal and local mandates. Despite any near-term headwinds we may face, we are confident in the long-term outlook for these markets in Europe and believe in our growing presence, product breadth, leadership, and influence in Europe will deliver promising results in the future. Innovation is and will continue to be the lifeblood of LCI. It's what we are known for in our core markets. While we have taken aggressive steps to optimize our cost structure, we continue to invest strategically in R&D to ensure that we are delivering on the needs of our customers. Our team's R&D expertise and ability to introduce sophisticated, industry-leading products and technology across all our business and markets is a competitive advantage for us. While many companies in a difficult environment will pull back investments across the board, we believe our innovation strategy will ensure that we will emerge a stronger competitor. We have several new product launches coming this year that we will be excited to talk about in the coming quarters. Our capital allocation strategy remains unchanged. However, in light of the uncertainty we are all facing, our balanced approach will be more focused on preserving cash, paying down debt, and realizing synergies from our most recent acquisition. In closing, I want to thank our team members for the resilience during these uncertain times. Most importantly, we want to say thanks to 1,000 men and women that brave fear and anxiety every day coming to work to our several divisions that remained open during the past six weeks. Our thoughts are with those that have been severely impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, especially our medical frontline workers all over the country, our team members, dealers, suppliers, and customers. As the situation continues to evolve, we will be ready to respond and leverage our inherent strengths as an organization in order to maintain growth and preserve long-term value for our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Brian Hall, our CFO, to discuss in more detail our first quarter financial results. Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. Our consolidated net sales for the first quarter increased 11% to $660 million compared to the prior year. The increase in year-over-year net sales was driven by continued growth in the company's adjacent OEM, aftermarket, and international markets as we continue to integrate our latest acquisitions in each of those markets. This growth was partially offset by temporary production shutdowns related to COVID-19, which resulted in a loss of approximately $45 million in sales during the last two weeks of March. Q1 2020 sales to RV OEMs declined 5% compared to the prior year due to the previously mentioned production shutdowns and lower consumer demand due to COVID-19. Sales to North American RV OEMs, which represents 96% of our RV OEM sales, was negatively impacted by the termination of the Furion Distribution Agreement and a related loss of $24 million in net sales, or 7%. This loss was offset by a 3% increase in content per total RV unit and a slight increase in wholesale RV shipments for the quarter. The remaining 4% of our RV OEM sales relate to international RV sales, which were negatively impacted by COVID-19 a few weeks prior to North America and declined 12%. Content per total RV unit increased 3% to $3,354, and per motorized unit decreased 5% to $2,327 compared to the prior year, excluding the impact of Furion in 2019. Content per unit growth in Tobol has improved further due to the reversal of the decontenting trend, while motorized content continues to be impacted by the shift in wholesale mix towards smaller Class C units. As Jason mentioned, we continue to remain focused on product innovation and believe our total content growth rate can continue in the range of 3% to 5%. Despite a challenging macroeconomic environment, we are seeing solid growth in non-RV markets as we execute on our diversification strategy. 2021-2020 sales to adjacent markets grew 10% to $187 million compared to the prior year. Sales to North American adjacent industries, which represents 78% of our adjacent industry sales, declined 7% due primarily to a 14% decline in marine OEM sales, offset by growth in manufactured housing and other emerging markets. Sales to international adjacent industries increased over 200% due to the acquisitions partially offset by the impact of COVID-19. Our first quarter aftermarket segment sales increased 111% to $127 million compared to the prior year, and international sales increased 81% to $61 million. Acquired revenues were $99.5 million, primarily affecting aftermarket and international sales. While sales in April declined 76% from the prior year, we were encouraged by the results as they exceeded initial expectations. Our diversification efforts proved positive as aftermarket and other adjacent industries performed much better than core markets. The resumption of operations by many of our customers in May is significant, and current expectations are for May sales to decline only 29% compared to the prior year, excluding Furion. While significant uncertainty remains, we believe sales should gradually improve from the May run rate as the consumer continues to gain its footing and we slowly return to growth. Operating margins decreased roughly 140 basis points, largely the result of purchase price accounting from the acquisition of Curt Group, which lowered operating margins by 90 basis points, as well as the impact of COVID-19. This was partially offset by favorability from the dissolution of our distribution agreement with Burion and other efficiencies gained through continuous improvement initiatives. Due to our high variable cost structure and our ability to respond quickly, we were able to adjust our cost structure, removing over $30 million in quarterly fixed costs. While April resulted in a net loss, we anticipate May results to return to profitability. From a free cash flow perspective, we burned approximately $15 million of cash in the month of April, and May is anticipated to completely offset the loss, which is extremely encouraging. While gross profit margins had improved to 24%, The absorption of fixed costs on lower sales volume during the upcoming second quarter are estimated to reduce the gross profit margin to 20% to 21%. As anticipated, SG&A costs increased during the first quarter due to the additional SG&A costs from acquisitions along with the related amortization of intangible assets. Due to the actions taken to reduce costs, SG&A costs are anticipated to be $85 to $90 million for the second quarter. Adjusted EBITDA increased 14% to $75 million for the first quarter, which excludes the impact of the inventory step-up. This growth was driven by additional efficiencies gained through our operating improvement initiative implemented over the past year, further optimizing labor and other operating costs. Non-cash depreciation and amortization was $24.6 million for the first quarter, while non-cash stock-based compensation expense was $3.3 million. Gapped net income in Q1 2020 was $28.2 million, or $1.12 per share, compared to $34.4 million, or $1.38 per share, in Q1 2019. Adjusted net income for Q1 2020 was $32.9 million, or $1.31 per diluted share, excluding a non-cash charge recognized in cost of sales related to the inventory fair value step-up for CURT net of tax. Cash generated from operating activities was $45 million for the quarter, while using $96 million for business acquisitions, $8 million for capital expenditures, and returning $16 million to our shareholders in the form of dividends. We maintain a healthy balance sheet bolstered by our current cash on hand and available borrowing. At the end of the first quarter, cash and cash equivalents totaled $98 million, up from $35 million at the beginning of the year, At the end of the quarter, as Jason mentioned, we took several broad-based actions to enhance our cash position and liquidity for the long term to mitigate the impact from COVID-19 as much as possible. We are evaluating additional options to further reduce operating costs and preserve margins and are continuing to closely monitor inventories and implement aggressive strategies around working capital management. For the full year 2020, we are targeting capital expenditures between $20 and $30 million, significantly below our prior expectations as we delay non-essential expenditures. During March and April, we increased borrowings under our revolving credit facility to further increase our cash position and provide financial flexibility, and as of April 30, 2020, we had outstanding borrowings of approximately $438 million under our existing revolving credit facility and remaining availability of approximately $159 million. In the coming months, we will remain in close contact with our strategic banking partners regarding options available to maintain our future financial liquidity. At the end of the first quarter, we had an outstanding debt position of $769 million with no significant debt maturities until 2022 and remain in compliance with our loan covenants. Currently, our leverage position relative to EBITDA stands at just over 2.8 times, and we are focused on further paying down debt in the near term. We are quite comfortable with our current leverage and overall financial position, which will enable us to operate efficiently in this current environment as well as for the foreseeable future. That is the end of our prepared remarks. Operator, we're ready to take questions. Thank you.

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone system. First question comes from Scott Stember with CLT. Go ahead.

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Good morning, Scott.

Jason, just going back to the comments about your customers coming back online, The comments, I guess, the sales in May should not be down nearly as much as what we saw in April and June. It looks like it'll probably get a little bit better from there. But can you maybe talk about what you're seeing or hearing on the end demand? You did say that you're hearing about an abatement in some of the decreases in recent weeks. Can you maybe just frame that out a little bit? Are we talking returning to growth or – or are we just talking about less bad than what we saw early in the month?

Yeah, so, I mean, our experience is probably really similar to what the OEMs are telling us right now. I mean, they've got a very close connection with the dealer base and dealer body, and I think that, you know, they looked at things at the end of, you know, at the end of March, beginning of April, and started calling dealers and said, zeroing out all the orders that they had and trying to figure out by the end of April what a real backlog actually looks like. That's how we ended up with where we're at in May. I think we said that our May looks like about 70% of what we were in February, early March before this whole thing hit. That's a lot better than what we would have anticipated. In early April, we were hoping we could start out at 40% or 50% of where we were. Seventy percent feels good. It feels right now like June could be a little bit better. Just the temperature at a lot of the bigger dealers out there is that, you know, late April activity was pretty solid considering the circumstances. There seems to be a lot more Internet traffic and leads, and everybody's having to work a little bit harder for converting those leads into actual sales. But, you know, like we also said in our comments, I think that there's an unprecedented opportunity for, you know, the RV business and the marine business alike to take advantage of just, you know, where consumers are positioned today with respect to how they're going to vacation in the new vacation normal.

Does that help? Yeah, no, very good. Thanks. And on the aftermarket side, there was comment about how in recent weeks, I guess in April, that sales were down 35%. Was that organic or is that including Kurt in the mix?

So that was more organic. I mean, our aftermarket divisions in general were down about 35%. You know, we didn't know what to expect coming in to April just because, you know, we didn't know how active consumers were going to be. But consumers stayed pretty active. You know, to most people's count, there's about a million full-time RVers on the road. So you've got the service that needs to continue to be maintained on those units and people that are ready for vacation or maybe you've just finished with a trip on an RV. So whether it was an upgrade or service, there was quite a bit of activity on the aftermarket side, which was good to see. Yeah, I think, Scott, I would add there that we were very encouraged. If you really looked at it on a weekly basis when we entered April, there was a thought that, aftermarket sales could just decline all the way down to 70%, 80% of what it had been running, and we really never saw it get to those levels. So that was very encouraging, and we're excited to see the investments we've made in the aftermarket business bear some fruit during this type of time. It probably got down to maybe during a week at 50% of prior rates, but then quickly flattened out and started to climb back up towards the end of the month. And total aftermarket numbers? you know, after acquisitions is, you know, more than double what we had same period last year. Got it.

And just the last question, just on costs. You talked about high variable cost structure. Just remind us how much of your cost structure is variable. And then just lastly, on your comments about April not being profitable, that May should at least offset that. Your view about being profitable positive in the second quarter? Thanks.

Yeah.

Hey, Scott. It's Brian.

You know, first of all, from a cost structure, you know, we've always talked about our incremental margins being around 20% to 25%, but that's kind of in a normal case scenario. When you really break down all of our costs, you know, 80% to 90% of them are variable costs, you know, meaning they can be adjusted. So we cut deep. You know, as I said in our prepared remarks, For just second quarter alone, we let variable costs flex like they normally would and then took out an additional $30 million worth of cost just for the second quarter. So we made some pretty significant swings there to right-size the business. So from a profitability perspective, yes, at $52 million worth of sales during the month of April, not possible to be profitable at that rate. But we were very encouraged by the cash flow burn rate. You know, I mentioned around $15, $16 million worth of cash burn during the month of April. You know, you've heard me say in the past, probably pre-entering into this COVID-19 world, that, you know, our cash burn rate was somewhere around $40 million. So we took quite a bit of an adjustment there. And then given the added volume and really managing our costs well for the month of May, we think that we can offset that completely from a cash perspective during the month of May and return to some profitability. So to give you an idea, I think I said in the prepared remarks that we should be around, at least we're estimating around 20% of prior year sales for the month of May. So very nice rebound from being down 76% in the month of April. You know, a typical December for us, you know, we're really not that far off from break-even at those kind of sales months. So the cost adjustments that we've made, I would tell you the month of May would probably under old Lippert cost structure be about a break-even month. But, you know, we're looking to show some profitability and generate some cash. because of the adjustments we've made. Hopefully that gives you a little more color. I'd just add to that that that's probably the best news of the day is that we're pretty blessed and fortunate to be sitting maybe at the end of the May based on current volume and orders for the May bookings that we can sit and say that cash is neutral or around neutral. considering what we've all been through. There's not many businesses that can claim, probably claim that after the next 30 days from now. So good news on that front that we've been, you know, aggressive with the cost cutting and we've got, you know, got a fairly solid order booking for May.

Scott, that's all I have. Thank you. Great job, guys. Thanks, Scott.

Next question comes from Catherine Thompson with Thompson Research.

Hey, good morning. This is actually Brian Barrow. I'm for Catherine. Thank you for taking my questions. First one, I guess, could you touch more on what you're hearing from the RV OEM production levels as they get back to operations in May? We've heard, you know, roughly 50% capacity floated around. I guess, what are you guys hearing? Are there differences between product types for that capacity? And then if they are at 50% or whatever the level is, do you guys match that level or how do you operate based on what they're doing?

Yeah, so for the RV business, you know, we look at it kind of weighted with all customers, and we, unlike many suppliers, when we supply every single customer a bunch of products. So, you know, we looked at our May bookings for orders that we have for May. It shows that they're right around 69% for where they were compared to where they were, you know, beginning of March before COVID hit. So, you know, we've scraped it and scraped it and scraped it, and the OEMs have been revising production schedules up until this week when they launch production, which is when we launch production. So we feel pretty comfortable that that number is going to stick for May, and we feel optimistic that it could be maybe a little bit better for June based on how the selling season comes along and how many buyers get out, how much print-off demand there is, how much new demand there is. So we'll be able to update that in the coming months.

Thank you.

I guess following up on the strong trends or I guess better than expected trends so far and expected throughout May and hopefully into June, are you hearing any differences among product types, towables or motorhomes or even marines?

I guess how does that break down? I don't think that there's any new trends there.

I mean, entry-level stuff continues to be, you know, probably pretty dominant, and I think that, you know, if we do see an influx of demand from new buyers that are considering new ways of vacation, I really think that, you know, that'll continue to play on the entry-level products. They're very affordable. Like we've talked about, you know, the average total RV is a, you know, $22,000 RV that you can get a couple hundred dollar a month payment on. When you do the math or backwards math on what it costs to you know, take a family on airfare or on a long trip and stay in a hotel, you're at least easily matching that on one vacation a year. So, you know, it's affordable. We feel that, you know, the entry-level products will continue to be popular. I mean, certainly you can buy, you know, an RV for a couple at, you know, if there's two people RVing, an entry-level product for $10,000, but most of the products we see are in that $22,000 range. Hey, Brian, going back to the second part of your previous question, I think we missed answering that. As we're hearing RV OEMs come back around approaching 70%, that's not very – it's not consistent across all brands. It varies by week. So we're being very intentional about bringing our costs back slightly slower than that so that we can work through it efficiently and effectively and And so I think that's an important point. So we're not anticipating having 70% of our costs come back. We're going to be below that. That's right.

Okay, yeah, very helpful. Thank you.

Next question comes from Craig Tennyson with Baird.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Jason, what's your best guess at wholesale shipments for the RV and marine industries for 2020?

That's a loaded question, Craig. I don't really feel comfortable answering that. Like I said, I'm optimistic. I think that we were on a north of 400,000 unit a year trend, so we would love to end up in that. If you peel April out of the equation, I'd love to be 85% of that, but we'll see. I think that we have to see how the next several months play out with respect to you know, some of this new buying opportunity that we see that is definitely going to be in the mix. So, and on the marine side, I think you might see, you know, if optimistic view is, you know, 85% on RV, for example, and I'm not saying that's where it plays out, but, you know, marine might be a little bit less than that because the products are generally a little bit more expensive, but, you know, you can certainly get into towable RVs a lot cheaper than you can on an entry-level powerboat or something like that. April is obviously going to take a huge chunk out of the total units for this year, so I think you have to kind of factor April out of it and look at what's the best guess for the remaining months. I think, Craig, to add to that, I've looked at your estimates and have always been relatively close to them. But to Jason's point, a lot of it just depends on the rate that it increases once we get beyond this May-June timeframe. Unfortunately, we've got to see the consumer come back. We've got to determine how healthy they are and what buying rate they return with. there's a lot of uncertainty beyond June. But at this point, at least the modeling that we do internally is not too far off from the numbers that you've published. Thanks. And then how sensitive do you think demand is going to be to the timing of these economic reopenings across the country? It just seems to me there may be a point at which, you know, the average consumer says, you know, it's too late to do this in 2020, but I'll consider this for 2021. Do you think there's a lot of sensitivity to the timing of the reopen, given how seasonal your business is? I think for me, Amy, the way I think about it is, you know, how bent are people to get out and do something different? You know, if you're in an area where you've been literally locked down and there's nothing to do, You know, I would say that you're going to start looking around for opportunities that, you know, if you're talking about a summer vacation, for instance, I mean, we've canceled, you know, a couple trips, and I know a lot of other families are, and I sit and think about this as, you know, there's hundreds of thousands of families across the country. They're saying, gee, we had to cancel our vacation. What are we going to do? RVing and boating certainly fit into the opportunities that are available for The question is just, you know, how bad do people want to get out? I think that it's going to be a few months before, you know, we see how that all plays out. But I think that you can certainly make the argument with limited things to do over the next couple months, and certainly some states are going to, you know, pause a lot of the openings and delay. And some of the states that have opened up, like Indiana, certainly not everything is open to the public, and some things won't be open until, you know, July, August for us. So, you know, I think people are going to be really considering what their options are, and RVing and boating certainly play into it. So we're anxious to see how it plays out, for sure. Thanks. And then just one question on your aftermarket business. Obviously, you've worked really hard to diversify the business, which will serve you well down the road. I'm curious, to what extent do you have direct-to-consumer opportunities options with CURT or other brands so that as some of these channels may be shut down just due to, you know, social distancing, you can still get product to consumers? And to what extent do you think maybe this pandemic creates an opportunity for you really to invest in some of these direct-to-consumer options? Yeah, so I think we're not too different from a lot of the other businesses out there that this whole pandemic has expedited a lot of the online purchasing, which is going to push companies to get online quicker. So we're no different. Over the last month or so, we've put several thousand SKUs online for the people that are roaming around looking for products, whether they're upgrades or service parts that we can supply. for RVs, boats, and other vehicles. You know, we're more available than we ever have been, and probably that's going to continue to – I mean, not probably. It's going to continue to move forward where we put, you know, more and more of our SKUs online and make them available to consumers that are trying to, you know, trying to get that. And likewise, we're doing more marketing around upgradable, you know, products, how to upgrade your RV, how to upgrade your boat with certain components that we supply.

Great. Well, thank you. Thanks, Rick.

Next question comes from Fred Whiteman with Wolf Research.

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Jason, in your prepared remarks, you mentioned some pricing and input cost discussions with customers. Can you just give a bit more detail on what those conversations have been like and what segments they cover? Yeah. So, you know, we're – priming the pump right now and evaluating where all of our costs are. So certainly with, you know, volumes where they're at, the changed volumes and some of the new normal costs, we're going to – we've got to figure out how to mitigate those. So, you know, we'll be having those conversations with vendors and with our customers over the coming months and probably have a lot more to give you update on next quarter. Okay. And then as you guys restart production and the OEMs restart production, are there any signs of labor staffing issues or people who don't want to come back to work? No. I mean, in terms of – I wouldn't anticipate anybody has staffing issues. There's so many people sitting on the sidelines right now, unfortunately, waiting to get called back. And, you know, even by August, there's probably still going to be people waiting. So I don't anticipate any labor shortages or issues. And, you know, from what we've seen and some of the peers around the industry that we've talked to over the last couple weeks that people have been slowly coming back online in the RV and boat businesses, people are excited to come back to work. I was talking to one of our general managers this morning, and he said that he came into work at 5 a.m. early to make sure he was there to greet everybody that came in the door, and there was a guy there waiting and He was crying. He was so happy to be back to work. So I think people in general are excited to be back around their work peers and work family and break up the mundane routine that they've had, you know, sitting at home with nothing to do for the last month or so.

Great. Thank you all.

Next question comes from Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

Thanks, Jason and Brian. I have some color issues. Maybe just an updated view, your updated view on inventory levels, particularly after the OEMs essentially obviously shut production in March. As we look forward, do you expect wholesale to be more in line with retail? Do you see an opportunity for wholesale to outpace if things are a little better than maybe expected? Any thoughts there would be great. I think certainly coming into it, there was a sense that inventories were where they needed to be. depending on the region of the country, it's a different story right now. You know, we certainly have touch points within some of the Midwest and, you know, mid-southern states where inventory has continued to move. You know, there's certainly demand there, and wholesale should perk right up to match that retail demand. There's going to be other parts of the country that it's not going to be the same case. I mean, I'm sure New York is going to have a different scenario versus what maybe a Texas does or a California so you know it's really varying by by state so we got to see a lot of that a lot of that play out but certainly you know I think if you went back to last time we all talked there was a sense that we were in a good position I think as that progressed we all knew that we were in a good position I mean retail was outpacing the prior year, which was the first time in quite a few months. Inventory certainly, I think we're in the right place. Now, I think we got to see it play out a little bit, but I don't think it's too far off. Certainly, nothing to the extent like we've been dealing with for the last 18 months. If it is a little heavy right now, I think we can move through it quicker than we did the last cycle. Helpful. And you mentioned in the prepared remarks, I think it was Jason, the opportunity to perhaps pick up incremental revenue or share. If you look back at prior downturns, 9-11, the Great Recession, you give us any color or sense of either from a dollar revenue or percentage revenue, the opportunity that you saw coming out of those prior downturns, you know, maybe picking off share from some more distressed smaller players? Yeah, I can't give you the numbers because I don't have that at my fingertips, but, you know, certainly after both of those, you know, those devastating events, we increased share coming out of both. And as we said in our prepared remarks, we anticipate more of that. I mean, there were a few people that were – a few supplier peers that were wounded coming into this. I have no doubt that they'll be in a worse position coming out of it, and there'll be opportunities there. We've done a really good job and have a really good playbook for picking up those pieces. We're obviously close to the customers. We do business with every customer, so we're not going to come upon a customer we don't have that's being supplied by one of these businesses. So we'll be right there, you know, as the pieces are ready to pick up. And certainly, again, from the perspective of cash, I mean, there's not too many companies coming out of May that will be sitting here saying, you know, man, we were cash neutral after the last two months. I mean, there will be a lot of companies hurting pretty badly. So, like I said, we're fortunate, but at the same time, we're going to take advantage and be opportunistic of some of these opportunities that pop up, whether they're market share or, you know, acquisition opportunities down the road. They'll be both. Perfect. Go ahead. Sorry, Brian. I would add to that, Dan, just from an RV content perspective, you know, we stated that total content was up 3%, and, you know, as we've been saying for a number of quarters now, that's against the headwind of price reductions that we've been giving as steel and aluminum has decreased over the last 12 to 18 months. So we're turning in some nice content growth numbers despite that headwind. Well, that kind of leads to my last question, which is looking back again at prior downturns, maybe the impact of – you know, we know what shipments did, but in terms of content, remind us – Do you expect to, you know, kind of level set at a potentially lower level? Do you see that maybe being a little bit more neutral? Obviously, it's a difficult crystal ball question, but, you know, what have we seen in prior downturns in terms of the impact on content? Yeah, I mean, I still think, I mean, focus on towables. Towables, you know, 3% to 5% is still very reasonable for us, given the innovation, new products in the pipeline, you know, just the landscape that we're all faced with, given some of the comments that Jason made. So I still think that 3% to 5% is very reasonable for us, even in this time. Probably the big unknown is, is there a further shift towards more entry-level products? You know, that certainly can have an impact on it, but I don't think in a meaningful enough way to take us well outside of that range. Yeah, and I'd also add that, You know, I could argue pretty easily that after, you know, whatever, 2001, we were pretty small, you know, a few hundred million. You know, in 08, 09, we were, you know, maybe a little bit bigger than that. But, you know, we've got such breadth and size today that when it comes to, you know, these types of opportunities, our innovation machine, there's just a lot more going on. There's a lot more opportunities we're able to take advantage of today versus 10 or 20 years ago if you go back that far, these last two years. So I think we're in a better position to pick up more content, market share, organic growth, and acquisition opportunities than we were in the last couple of, you know, devastating times we went through.

All right. Thanks again. Stay safe.

Thank you. Next question comes from Mark Jordan with Jeffery. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions.

Thinking about the aftermarket segment, it had a strong quarter, and I was just wondering if you can give some additional detail on how the CURT group performed and maybe what makes it the aftermarket channel as related to more non-discretionary demand. Yeah, so, you know, CURT saw the disruption, you know, right about the same time the rest of our business did. You know, people just froze. So, you know, this Fast forward to this past week, numbers started getting close to, on the current side of things, back close to our budget and plan. So that's good to see. Consumers are freeing up and starting to look around and spend money on their products. So we're working on synergies there. We continue to look at purchasing synergies, cross-functional synergies between companies Our operations between the CURT and LCI groups, we've got selling synergies on both sides of the business, and we're really trying to pull in. RV dealers, they sell a lot of hitch and towing products, and that's a huge opportunity for us. You know, those would be the highlights on CURT. Yeah, I think we talked initially about at least an initial expectation in the beginning of the year of high single-digit type percentage growth for them, and they were certainly performing at that level and above. So they were performing exactly as we expected them to from a cost perspective and some of the synergies that we had talked about. You know, we hadn't given a ton of color on that, but, you know, certainly as we've dug in and, identified opportunities there, you know, to get a couple, you know, 2% to 3% of sales in synergies, which would be pretty typical for us. We've certainly seen those opportunities. So I would say everything on Kurt's performing at or above what we had originally anticipated. The big difference on that side of the business is there's a huge cyclical swing in the summertime. So their peak season is, you know, we're coming into it right now. And their winter months are, you know, much lower volume.

Okay, great.

And then given the kind of scale and magnitude of some of the recent business disruptions, are you seeing any sourcing headwinds in the current environment? No, I tell you that things are pretty smooth there. I mean, China was running through some problems in February. It would have caused some disruptions for us certainly in the springtime. But, you know, because we had the disruption and fell back on volume, there's less risk there. We also, you know, sourced outside of some of our Asian suppliers. We sourced offshore Asia quite significantly, you know, after the tariffs hit. So, you know, we reduced some of our risks there. But all in all, I mean, we have, you know, we have meetings every week on where our supply base is and how sourcing looks, and we look, you know, we look pretty good right now. But a lot of that's due to the reduced volumes that we've got on the the OEM side of the business. If we were running to the 100 or 100-plus percent, we'd probably have a couple issues, but we're okay right now.

Okay, great. Thank you very much, guys. Thanks, Mark.

Next question comes from Brandon Rawls with NorthCorp Research.

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I was hoping you could comment on the market trends you're seeing internationally for RV and marine versus, you know, what you're seeing in North America. And as a follow-up, Also, I was hoping you could touch on used inventory levels in North America for RV and Marine with, you know, people, you know, moving down the price spectrum. Thank you.

Yeah, I've talked to a few dealers over the last couple weeks, and, you know, it sounds like used, you know, I don't know where used inventory is, but used sales is probably up just a little bit. So, and as far as the European market, products go and consumers and OEMs, it feels pretty similar to what, you know, for marine and RV, where the industries are there compared to here. So, you know, they might be a little bit more bullish on volume, and we've got some OEMs over there that are looking at 80% as they come back here, and they've got others that are a little bit less than that, but... You know, I think we just have to wait and see how things play out. We have May in the books, certainly, for, you know, both areas, both regions. But, you know, June could be better. It could be a little bit worse. We just won't know until, you know, we see how the consumer is going to react over the course of the next 30 days or so.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Once again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press Start 1 on your telephone. This is a question from Steve O'Hara with Sedoti.

Yeah, hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question.

Hi, Steve. Hi. Just going to the aftermarket, maybe you touched on this, but in terms of the margins that were put up, you know, it looks like operating profit, I mean, I assume that, you know, the 6.3 million kind of hits within the aftermarket segments. I mean, even with that, you know, you've had kind of a, I think, you know, basically doubling in aftermarket sales and operating profit in that segment, you know, assuming that adjustment is flat. I mean, is there a right way to think about, you know, maybe, and I guess under a normal scenario, you know, where those aftermarket margins should be, maybe, you know, shorter term and then longer term, assuming, you know, you kind of get back to, more normalized business learning. Hey, Steve. This is Brian. A couple things. First off, because we haven't talked about it a whole lot, you know, we provided a lot of additional color within this release and the prepared remarks and what we had in the past, one being the focus on the EBITDA, because I know initially when you look at the results, it looks like there's quite a bit of decline there. But from an EBITDA perspective, we've actually improved over 14%. from the prior year. So we've seen significant growth there because of our own efficiencies and then the CURT business is a pretty high EBITDA margin business as well. Now from a straight gap financial perspective, you know, there's quite a bit of amortization. So the additional thing that we provided within the release that I'd point you to is we've split up the amortization and the depreciation by both the segments so that you can see the weighting between the two. So I think that should help you get a little bit of color there. I think that the – I lost my train of thought. Oh, and then the additional step-up. on the inventory. Yes, you're correct. That is all 100% sitting in the aftermarket segment. So, you know, going into this year, we talked quite a bit about all of those items and the impact that it would have on our aftermarket margins because when you weigh in all that amortization, the current business margin from a GAAP perspective is very similar to our overall consolidated margin. It certainly does dilute our traditional aftermarket break margin and bring it down to that level. The other thing to note is that it's very seasonal. As Jason mentioned, the winter months, it's much lower margin business, but then during the summer at their peak volumes, that's when they tend to make more money. So, anyways, that's a lot of the moving pieces there. I know I just threw a lot at you, but I think we tried to provide more color within the release to help kind of bridge that gap some. It's probably important to note also, Steve, that the business is only six to seven years young, so there's still a lot of organic opportunity there. There's still acquisition opportunity there. Not that we've run our course on the OEM side, but we've certainly had a lot more activity over the last 20 years on OEMs than we've seen in the last six or seven years on the aftermarket side as we've grown and developed that business. So we still feel there's a lot of runway there. Okay. All right. That's helpful. And then, you know, we talked about picking up share in downturns. You know, let's say, you know, if you expect to pick up, you know, five or ten points a share, I mean, how much of that do you expect to come from, you know, essentially taking over someone's business because, you know, they can no longer, you know, provide that activity anymore versus acquisitions and things like that? Just wondering that. you know, what your maybe outlook on acquisitions is here, given there may be some opportunities that, you know, come up for availability. You know, help me make sure I answer your question right here. But so, you know, I'd say that, you know, overall, you look at, you know, the opportunity we've had just this year so far. I mean, if you take Peel Theory on sales out of our revenues, we're almost 18% up, which is incredible for a first quarter. We did say, as we mentioned earlier, we've got You know, suppliers that we know were wounded coming into this event, they're going to have problems coming out. I can't tell you what the market share gains could or should be. We just know that there's plenty of opportunity to grow. And we'll get more color on that in the next quarter if we're able to take advantage of that and show that, you know, in this product area or that product area we've, you know, taken business or gained share. As far as acquisitions go, you know, I just don't see anybody – being open to it right now because the businesses have changed so much. So whether it's a valuation problem or whether it's an issue where, you know, they just have to get their arms around the business to figure out what they're left with, there's probably going to be some delay there. But, you know, when the discussions are ready to be had, you know, we're going to be one of the first to the table. Our balance sheet is strong. Like I said, there's not many businesses right now that will be sitting into May that you know, in a position where they could say, hey, based on May bookings, cash flow is neutral between April and May, which is what it looks like right now. So we'll be in a prime position to take advantage of, you know, if we've got to, you know, fire up some new product lines to take advantage of a supplier that can't supply or whether we've got to look at, you know, taking a look at a strategic acquisition, you know, later this summer or later this year when companies decide they're ready to sell or if they have to sell. So we're excited either way.

Okay.

No, that's very helpful. Yep, yep. No, that's exactly what I was wondering. But thank you. I appreciate the time.

Thanks. Have a great week. Thanks, Steve. And at this time, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Jason, the third.

Yes.

So I just want to thank everybody for tuning in to call today. It's been an extremely challenging time the last six weeks. I think that our Our management team has done an exceptional job getting through this, as we did the last couple of acquisitions. I'm certainly proud of everybody. We've had extraordinary efforts from everybody on our leadership team to get us through this in the shape that we described in color today. So we appreciate your time, and we'll see you next quarter.

Thank you.