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spk07: Greetings and welcome to Lumens Technologies' second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question and answer session. At that time, if you would like to register for a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. If at any time during the conference you need to reach an operator, please press star 0. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Wednesday, August 3rd, 2022. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Mike McCormack, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
spk09: Thank you, France. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us for the Lumen Technologies second quarter 2022 earnings call. Joining me on the call today are Jeff Story, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Chris Stansbury, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I need to call your attention to our Safe Harbor Statement on slide two of our second quarter 2022 presentation, which notes that this conference call may include forward-looking statements subject to certain risks and uncertainties. All forward-looking statements should be considered in conjunction with the cautionary statements on slide two and the risk factors in our SEC filings. We will be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures reconciled to the most comparable GAAP measures that can be found in our earnings pressure lease. In addition, certain metrics discussed today exclude costs for special items as detailed in our earnings material, all of which can be found on the Investor Relations section of the Lumen website. Before turning the call over to Jeff, please be aware that we will not be able to discuss our active cash tender offers for certain of our outstanding debt securities. These tender offers are expected to expire later this week. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jeff.
spk05: Thanks, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On today's call, I'll provide some thoughts on our second quarter results as well as our plans for the second half of the year. Chris will discuss the second quarter in more detail, and we'll reserve time after Chris's remarks for your questions. I want to begin today's call by thanking our team for the hard work in closing the LATAM divestiture to Stone Peak. We are excited for the team at Sirion, but we'll certainly miss our LATAM friends and colleagues. Our ongoing partnership will allow us to continue working with this extremely talented team. We're also looking forward to the upcoming close of our ILAC transaction with Apollo. We are working hard toward an early fourth quarter close. Combined, these transactions streamline our focus on the most strategic opportunities for Lumen, which we believe will drive significant long-term shareholder value. Chris will provide more detail on our new business product group formation and what that will mean on a go-forward basis. But I can tell you that our teams are energized by a clear focus on managing products by lifecycle. Our reinvigorated approach to product lifecycle management will help customers transition to go-forward technologies and allow Lumen to maximize the contributions of more mature offerings, all helping to drive our number one priority, profitable growth. Our quantum fiber build is ramping. with second quarter enablements more than doubling since the fourth quarter of last year. And we expect further acceleration in the second half of 2022 and into 2023. Permitting processes for our quantum fiber builds haven't improved as much as we would like, and we see supply chain challenges across our business. We have not changed our target of a million or so enablements by year end. Beyond accelerating fiber enablement, we're also excited to announce the launch of our multi-gig quantum fiber offerings, which I'll discuss shortly. Although not yet where we want to be, we remain encouraged by our trends, with our second quarter revenue performance improving both sequentially and year over year. We saw strength in areas where we are investing to grow, such as security, cloud, IP products, wavelengths, and fiber broadband, offset by anticipated declines in TDM, voice, and others. As we look toward the second half of the year, we see the same macroeconomic pressures as everyone else. We are actively managing through supply chain constraints, which have caused some installation delays, but our strong relationships with our suppliers are proving invaluable in a challenging environment. We are also not immune to the inflation impacting all industries, and we did see increased pressure in the second quarter. We believe the critical nature of our service offerings makes them more durable as our customers grapple with what the current economic uncertainty means for their businesses. Customers are certainly being more thoughtful in buying decisions, but we are not seeing any meaningful change in customer cancellations. Those of you who have followed us know we often see opportunities to win new business with new technologies during economic downturns. Fundamentally, we believe these risks are temporary in nature, and do not impact our long-term strategy or opportunity. Inflation-driven cost increases, particularly labor costs, put pressure on our full-year EBITDA guidance. However, we are amplifying our cost management strategies to offset this impact and are maintaining our full-year EBITDA guidance based on our current expectations for performance in the second half of the year. We continue to execute on our transformation plan and remain focused on driving efficiencies in our business that will both improve our customer experience and help sustain operating margins as legacy services decline. The pace of these efforts has certainly been affected by the work required to prepare for the Stone Peak and Apollo transactions. But as we complete these transactions, we believe we have meaningful opportunities to continue driving automation, simplicity, and efficiency into our delivery model. Just as Lumen is seeking to drive automation, simplicity and efficiency in our business, our customers are also pursuing their own digital transformations. I want to spend a little time today discussing Lumen's enterprise segment and the unique capabilities we bring to support our customers in those efforts. As we all know, today's enterprise customers operate in a very dynamic data environment. Everything is now a connected device and enterprises generate enormous amounts of data from a seemingly endless number of sources. To innovate and to keep pace with their own market, enterprises need next generation data-intensive applications to quickly acquire, analyze, and to act on that data. All the while, there's never-growing threat landscape. Whether it's augmented reality, cloud-based gaming, artificial intelligence, or machine learning, the use cases driving today's enterprises are predicated on the availability of highly secure, large bandwidth connectivity and low latency to their data-intensive applications. These applications run in a hybrid compute and store environment where orchestrating centralized cloud, remote data center, edge cloud, and on-premises resources is increasingly important. The fiber-rich Lumen platform delivers on these needs by offering a massively scalable and resilient architecture that together with the service solutions we provide help customers as they continue to innovate and deploy the next generation applications today's markets demand. On the key point of latency, and I've mentioned this before, the Lumen platform can serve 97% of U.S. enterprises within five milliseconds of latency in an increasingly all-digital way with APIs and machine-to-machine interfaces. We believe this sub-five millisecond proximity of our compute and storage edge cloud provides enterprises alternatives to move workloads where they can be optimized for efficiency and cost. Let me give you a couple specific examples of how our capabilities are winning large retail enterprise and public sector contracts. On the enterprise side, we're helping global supermarket chains transition to store of the future models across thousands of U.S. locations. We are leveraging our extensive network assets, along with our network design and consulting expertise, to deliver these complex solutions, including private cloud, MPLS, SD-WAN, LTE backup, fixed wireless, and a host of security services with both on-site implementation and day-two management. Of course, this is just an example within one of the many enterprise verticals we serve. In public sector, we've announced several recent wins, including the U.S. Postal Service, the USDA, and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency. These solutions encompass a wide range of products, such as edge computing, zero-trust networking, unified communications, hybrid VPN and SD-WAN, as well as managed network services as these agencies modernize their infrastructure and their capability to deliver services to U.S. citizens. While at the same time, they secure and protect critical data and infrastructure against destructive individual and state actors. Our strategic wins, together with broader market demand and the capabilities of the Lumen platform, give us confidence that we are well positioned in our enterprise segment. These larger customer wins, coupled with the improving mid-market sales, provide both near-term and long-term revenue opportunities as we drive toward growth. Moving to mass markets, we are excited to update you on our progress with quantum fiber, which is the critical growth engine for this segment. As I mentioned earlier, in just two quarters, we have doubled our pace of new quantum enablements with further acceleration coming. Our net promoter score remains above 50, demonstrating the quality of our products and the easy-to-use nature of our all-digital experience. You may have seen our exciting announcement this morning The texture we've developed and the network we are deploying enables multi-gigabit services. In select areas, we now offer a 3 gigabit per second, $150 per month solution, and an 8 gigabit per second, $300 per month solution. The vast majority of our new builds will have this capability. Beyond the superior speed, our quantum fiber experience provides symmetric service, which is critical for the future applications and use cases. We believe these products are industry leading and deliver an incredible value to our customers. And in fact, we've already begun taking orders. While it's early in the adoption phase of this type of capacity, we know where bandwidth demand is going and we've developed our architecture well ahead of the curve and are prepared for ever increasing demand for higher speeds and greater capacity. These multi gig offers will enable future consumer and small business use cases such as VR, AR gaming, work and learn from home, ultra high definition video streaming, and other high bandwidth services. The investments we are making in quantum fiber are building long life assets with the capacity to meet current demand and the ability to meet future demand for fast symmetrical capacity. Coupled with the all-digital experience and excellent customer experience we provide, we expect quantum fiber to deliver significant returns for our shareholders well into the future. We believe we have a very large and ripe opportunity to grow our mass markets broadband business through our quantum investment. And with very low market share currently in our copper footprint, we have the ability to grow our embedded base of broadband customers by taking market share. We expect to accelerate taking share as we ramp our enablements and deploy best-in-class add-on capabilities such as network security, Wi-Fi, and the multi-gig offerings we announced today. We believe profitable revenue growth is a principal long-term driver of shareholder returns, and we continue putting the right assets to work to drive toward that goal. Our new business reporting categories provide clearer line of sight into our efforts to drive revenue growth, enhance profitability, and generate sustainable free cash flow. As we invest the capital required to execute on our growth plans, we are also returning cash to shareholders through our dividend while remaining committed to a healthy balance sheet. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris to discuss our second quarter results in more detail. Chris?
spk01: Thank you, Jeff, and good afternoon, everyone. It has been about four months since I joined the Lumen team, and I am more excited than ever for the opportunities that lie ahead. I've been working with the leadership team here at Lumen to rethink the way we manage our business and products. You'll find a change in the way we plan to report our revenues of the Lumen business segment in today's materials. After closing the ILAC transaction, which is expected early in the fourth quarter, we will provide a pro forma historical revenue view of these product groups. I want to emphasize that these new categories are not simply a recut of our external reporting, but a significant internal change that addresses how we manage the products that reside within each category. This will drive enhanced efficiency and discipline as we drive towards our key strategic initiative of attaining profitable top-line growth. As Jeff discussed, we face some macro headwinds, and we are actively working to address these challenges through cost reduction and other initiatives. We will keep a watchful eye on these issues that are and will likely continue to impact nearly every industry in the near term. With that, I will begin with a financial summary of our second quarter. We are very pleased to have closed the LATAM divestiture to Stone Peak on August 1st for approximately $2.7 billion, and we are on track for an early fourth quarter close of the ILEC divestiture. Our revenue performance has improved across all enterprise channels, with overall business revenue growing sequentially. We continue to see fiber broadband revenue growth, which is helping to improve our mass markets revenue trajectory and supporting our expectation for mass markets broadband revenue and subscriber growth in the second half of next year. We've reported adjusted EBITDA of $1.811 billion in the second quarter and generated a 39.3 percent margin. Recall that year-over-year comparisons will continue to be impacted throughout 2022 by the CAF II program that ended in 2021, and note that we did not recognize any CAF II-related reserve release this quarter. We will update you in future quarters if there are any significant additional CAF II-related reserve releases. With respect to the RDOF program, we recognized approximately $6 million in the second quarter of 2022. Our reported revenue was down 6.3% year-over-year. On an adjusted basis, revenue declined 3.4% in the second quarter, an improvement from the 5.5% adjusted year-over-year decline in the first quarter of this year. Our free cash flow was $668 million for the second quarter. We returned $254 million to our shareholders during the quarter through our quarterly dividend. Additionally, We reduced net debt by nearly $900 million year-to-date and exited the quarter with leverage at 3.7 times. In the second quarter, total reported revenue declined 6.3 percent on a year-over-year basis to $4.612 billion. Year-over-year metrics were materially impacted by the end of the CAF II program at year-end 2021. When adjusted for CAF II foreign currency, and the sale of our correctional facilities business, the year-over-year rate of decline was 3.4% versus a decline of 5.5% last quarter. Sequentially, revenue was stable in 2Q22 on a normalized basis. Within our two key segments, business revenue declined 3% year-over-year to $3.416 billion. When excluding foreign currency headwinds and the sale of our correctional facilities business, revenue declined 2.3% year-over-year and was up 0.6% versus the first quarter of 2022. Mass markets revenue declined 14.7% year-over-year to $1.196 billion. Adjusting for the CAF II impact mentioned earlier, mass markets revenue was down 6.6% year-over-year. Wholesale revenue grew 0.6% year-over-year. Wholesale revenue benefits from IT professional services provided in connection with pending divestiture transactions and separately from carrier re-rates. Remember, this is a channel that we expect to decline over time and one we manage for cash. Within our enterprise channels, which is our business segment excluding wholesale, reported revenue declined 4.2% year over year. When adjusting for the impacts of foreign currency and the sale of the correctional facilities business, Revenue was down 3.3% year over year, an improvement from the 5.1% decline in the first quarter on the same basis. Our exposure to legacy voice and other revenue continues to improve, and we expect the closing of the 20-state ILAC divestiture to provide further benefits for our enterprise revenue mix. IGAM revenue declined 1.5% year over year. On a constant currency basis, IGAM revenue was flat year over year, We had strength in our managed security, cloud services, IP, and dark fiber services. We've discussed large complex transactions taking longer to turn up, and I'm happy to report that IGAM benefited this quarter from initial revenue related to a large contract we signed last summer. Large enterprise revenue declined 6.5% year over year. The sale of the correctional facilities business is reflected in this channel. Normalizing for this sale, large enterprise declined 5.4%, an improvement from the 6.9% decline in the first quarter. We had growth in managed security and IP services. Overall, large enterprise growth was negatively impacted by our IT solutions business, which tends to experience quarterly fluctuations. Mid-market enterprise declined 5.3% year over year. We had growth in cloud, IT solutions, and IP services offset by lower voice and equipment revenue. Moving on to our new business reporting, we are providing a view of our new revenue reporting structure today and will formalize our new reporting starting in 2023, which will provide a pro forma post-transaction view. We will continue to update you through the remainder of this year on a total company basis. We are grouping our business revenue reporting into four distinct product categories. Grow, Nurture, Harvest, and Other. Our Grow category features products such as IP, Wavelengths, Security, Cloud, SD-WAN, SASE, Unified Communications, and Voice over IP. Our Nurture category includes products like VPN and Ethernet. Our Harvest products include legacy services such as Voice, Private Line, and Unis. The other products are equipment and IT solutions, which tend to fluctuate quarter to quarter and are low margin contributors. As you can see, our grow group is the largest group, followed by nurture, with harvest being the smallest group. When looking at historical trajectories, be aware of a few key things. COVID had a significant impact on our growth over the last couple of years, but we see that as largely behind us now. Within the nurture group, we see meaningful opportunities to migrate customers to new product sets residing in the grow group, which will continue to dampen the nurture growth rate. These are relevant products that we continue to sell in real time. Within our harvest group, we will continue to manage the declines as well as take price to retain profitability. This could provide a buffer for some of the decline, but many of the products in this group do not have a migration path back up the group stack. I also think it's important to reiterate that these product groups are not simply a change in product groups for external consumption. but rather a holistic change in the way we manage products internally. This will fully align what we present externally to how we manage internally with a significant focus on where we spend our OpEx and CapEx to provide the best possible returns for our stakeholders. While we have provided five quarters of historic revenue for these product sets, you should consider this day one of how we are managing our new product groupings, increasing efficiency, to drive revenue growth as our primary goal, and we look forward to providing you with our progression as we continue our transformation journey. Moving on to mass markets, as I mentioned earlier, on an adjusted basis, mass markets revenue declined 6.6% year-over-year and 1.6% sequentially. Remember that we recognized a one-time non-cash revenue benefit in the first quarter related to a CAF II reserve release of $59 million. In the second quarter of 2021, we recognized $122 million of CAF II revenue. Our mass markets fiber broadband revenue within our Remainco footprint grew by 16% year-over-year, and the second quarter represented more than 16% of our total mass market revenue. With the anticipated close of our ILEC sale, our exposure to legacy voice and other services will improve and reduce our annualized voice and other revenue by over $600 million based on our second quarter 2022 results. During the quarter, we added 28,000 Quantum Fiber customers roughly in line with last quarter as we continue our pivot to a market-based approach and adjust our go-to-market strategy. This brings our total Quantum Fiber subscribers to 858,000 with 788,000 of the subscribers within the 16 retained states. During the quarter, total enablements were approximately 205,000, with approximately 185,000 of those enabled locations in our 16 retained states, bringing the total enabled locations in the retained states to 2.9 million as of June 30th, with approximately 270,000 additional locations enabled in the SELCO footprint. ARPU in the retained states was approximately $59, and we see ARPU expansion opportunities with the adoption of in-home Wi-Fi solutions, up-speeding, and with today's announcement of the multi-gig speed offerings that Jeff shared. As of June 30th, our penetration of legacy copper broadband subscribers in our retained 16 states was less than 13%, highlighting the significant share-taking opportunity as we accelerate the quantum fiber build. Within the same footprint, our quantum fiber penetration stood at approximately 28%, but we expect that to fall in the near term as we ramp enablements. Our 2020 quantum fiber vintage penetration increased 500 basis points to approximately 27% at the 18-month mark, a solid improvement from the 12-month mark in continuing to ramp, supporting our expectations for the longer-term penetration opportunity. Our quantum fiber NPS score within RemainCo is greater than positive 50, an indication of the quality, value, and superior service that quantum fiber delivers. Quantum fiber is an all-digital prepaid product that features simple pricing with no contracts, helping reduce call center volumes and bolstering our NPS scores. In mass markets and across the overall business, we are continuing to see trends towards NPS. pre-pandemic levels in our allowance for credit losses, which is reassuring and not having any notable impact to our business. The prepaid nature of our quantum fiber product helps reduce our bad debt risk. Turning to adjusted EBITDA, for the second quarter of 2022, adjusted EBITDA was $1.811 billion compared to $2.109 billion in the year-ago quarter. Recall that our adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter of last year benefited by $122 million from the CAF II program. Special items this quarter totaled $47 million and were related primarily to transaction and separation activities for the LATAM and 20 state ILEC divestitures. When comparing margins to the year-ago period, you should consider the $122 million benefit of CAF II support in the prior year period. When adjusting for this impact, our second quarter 2022 margin of 39.3% would compare to 41.4% in the year-ago period. We are seeing some cost pressures from inflation in addition to our OPEX investments to drive growth. In addition, our wholesale-related network expense has increased more than our additional revenue associated with carrier re-rates. Capital expenditures for the second quarter of 2022 were $761 million. We continue to focus on capital efficiencies, but expect ramping quantum fiber build costs to drive higher spending in the second half. In the second quarter of 2022, the company generated free cash flow of $668 million. Moving on to our outlook, our guidance metrics remain unchanged from the update we provided last quarter. The closing of the LATAM divestiture on August 1st was one month later than our guidance assumed. That timing difference had a minimal impact on our full year outlook. We continue to expect the closing of the 20-state ILEC divestiture early in the fourth quarter. Recall that in terms of special items for 2022, we expect a ramp-up in costs compared to prior years, primarily driven by dedicated third-party costs to support transition services for the divestitures. The cost for these services are removed from adjusted EBITDA. The reimbursement for these services will be in other income with no material net impact to our cash flows and reflected in our schedules of non-GAAP items impacting net income. In closing, we are pleased with our improved revenue results as well as our progress on the quantum fiber acceleration. As I mentioned, we are not immune to the macroeconomic environment and are managing through those headwinds. Our team remains focused on executing on our growth initiatives to drive long-term profitable revenue growth. As a reminder, in addition to free cash flow generated from the business, we expect a total of about $7 billion in discretionary cash proceeds, including the recent LATAM divestiture, as well as the pending closure of the 20 state ILEC divestiture. With that, we are ready for your questions.
spk07: Thank you. If you would like to register a question, please press the one followed by the four on your telephone. You will hear a three-tone prompt to acknowledge your request. If your question has been answered and you would like to withdraw, please press the one followed by the three. Our first question is from Simon Flannery with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk00: Great. Thank you very much. Chris, thank you for the new disclosure on the nurture and grow, etc., Are we going to get profitability metrics? Can you give any sense of how the margin is distributed? And then on capital allocation, you've had a few months now to look at this. Can you just give us an update on timing when you give us more thoughts? And where do you stand today on the thoughts about leverage, particularly given the inflationary pressures, dividends, buybacks as we go into 23 and beyond in the CapEx ramps? Thanks.
spk01: Sure. In terms of the product categories, we'll continue to look at how much we disclose around that. I want to be careful. Obviously, we don't want to disclose competitive information. I can tell you that, broadly speaking, if you look at the margin profile of the different buckets, while they differ, it's not drastic. So at a gross margin level, all of those buckets do have strong margins. Obviously, on the OPEX side, we'll invest more and grow because we're really trying to get those products moving along and we're going to invest a lot less in harvest as we're managing for cash. So we'll think about it. I think for now, this is a good start, but we'll see what we can do around more color going forward. As it relates to capital allocation, I just say, look, the discussion on the buckets and obviously getting more aggressive on things like harvest and managing for cash, those are all inputs. Obviously closing the divestitures are inputs, the macro environment's an input. So we continue to evaluate that. I think it's the right question to ask. I would say at this point, no change. And we'll continue to monitor that as we go forward. We feel good about the work that we're doing to finalize the divestitures and focus on growth. And we'll keep you updated as we go forward.
spk00: Great. And just I guess one just follow up on that macro point. One of the other telcos was mentioning yesterday some notion of delayed decision making by enterprise longer quote to contract signing. Are you seeing much of that yet?
spk05: We don't see. It's early to say. OK, so I'll try and answer the question, Simon, but it's early to say. We don't see necessarily a slower decision making to the technology choice to picking us. We might see a little bit of slower signing. There may be more people in the process for signing these contracts. But we aren't seeing necessarily yet a slower decision making on picking the technology, picking the winning thing. But it could be a little bit more thoughtful from our customers in how they sign and when they sign.
spk00: Great. Thank you.
spk07: Our next question is from Brett Selman with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
spk12: Yeah, thanks. And actually, I'll follow up on that, Jeff. Could you maybe elaborate on, you know, what continues to be a priority for your customers? I mean, it would be very easy to say that they're just going to put things on the back burner. It would sound like, from your answer, that there are elements of their network transformation that they fully intend to pursue and are maybe just being extra careful with how they select vendors. And so if you can give us some sense as to what those big projects are and why you remain confident that they're going to move ahead with it, that would be helpful. And then just a follow-up question. You made the point earlier in the call that while you're seeing some inflationary cost pressures, you are identifying ways to cut other expenses and you're keeping your outlook for the year. The reason I ask about that is you had implied you were going to do a little less in terms of cost transformation this year because you were more focused on investing in areas that would support the company's growth as you move through these transactions. And I'm just wondering, are there any areas where you've had to make a trade-off in terms of managing costs this year relative to what you had hoped in order to make sure you're still coming into your financial commitment? Thank you.
spk05: Sure. So back to what are we seeing from customers today? I'll take that one first. We see customers, unlike COVID, when COVID hit, people just said, we don't know what's going on. We got to stop. Unlike that, what we see today is people are looking, customers are looking at their networks and recognizing that they have to continue to transform. And they have to transform in the products and services that we've built the Lumen platform to deliver. So fiber-based services through APIs, where they can use edge computing to augment their cloud computing, use edge storage to augment their on-premises storage. They are moving toward those solutions, embedding security into them where they can, as you've heard me say before, be very nimble and adaptive and innovative in the way that they acquire, analyze, and act on their data. And so we see that continuing as customers continue to upgrade. And in fact, historically, we've seen that during economic downturns, customers will accelerate some of that so that they can gain efficiencies within their own business. And so that's kind of what we're seeing today. With respect to expense reductions, and Brett, I'm interpreting the question as, did we give up anything as a result of the acquisition or the sale of the divestitures that we have. We did delay some of our ongoing transformation because the same people that were preparing for those divestitures were the people that drove our ongoing transformation. We talked about that early in the year. Those are coming to a close, and so we're continuing to look at transformation, but Chris, alludes to the fact that we're actually doing more than that. It's not just going back to the past that we had. We continue to look at everything, and we make sure that we figure out how best to deal with the environment that we've got. I'll give you kind of an ancillary example. We have CWA District 7 that represents About 5,000 of our employees, it's the largest union represented group that we have. And our contract with them expires, I believe it's April of next year, right around that time. We started months ago working with them and trying to get predictability into our costs, trying to get predictability into our workforce and how we can align jobs and that sort of thing. Um, and last night, uh, the union union members voted to ratify the agreement that we've made. So, so we have much better visibility into our cost structure for the coming three years beyond three years beyond the April of next year. And so, you know, those are the types of things we do on a very regular basis, um, to, to make sure that we're looking at our, our cost structure that we're looking at, at. How do we invest in growth but at the same time fund that growth?
spk07: Thank you.
spk05: Sure.
spk07: Our next question is from Phil Cusick with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
spk08: Hi, guys. I wonder if you can talk about any sort of one-times we should be considering either in the SG&A or the cost of service side. Costs were a little bit higher than we expected. And then it looks like from this quarter's EBITDA, you're trending at the low end of guidance. You've talked about costs that need to get done to get there. You know, anything else that really needs to get done to get you to that low end of guidance or alternatively, things that could come through and really take you well above that? Thank you.
spk01: Yeah. Hey, Phil, it's Chris. If you look at the quarter and just some of the cost pressures that we faced, I'd say that, you know, the bulk of it really relates to what other companies are seeing in terms of inflationary pressures on things like energy and labor. And obviously, just as a reminder, you know, our Q3 is seasonally always one of our toughest for energy consumption. So I think near term, you know, those pressures obviously continue. We did have some one time activity that hurt us a bit as it relates to, you know, a little bit on re-rates. And then we do have some of our transition costs I mentioned that hit above the line and then we recapture below the line, and that was in there too. But I'd say the bulk of it relates to inflation. So we've gone in, and I wouldn't say that there's any kind of major shift in how we're managing the business. This is, I would say, business as usual in terms of how we respond to macro events like this. So we are working as a team to take cost out, look for things that aren't going to have near-term impacts on our ability to grow. And those are the things we're going after. In terms of being able to do better than that, I think that's really where, again, the new product portfolio focus can help us. I think the harvest teams are looking at a lot of different things. that probably don't have an immediate benefit, but, you know, in the relatively near future could have a benefit, but they're just getting started. So I'm optimistic about that, but, you know, more to come as we go forward. So right now we feel good with the guidance because of our ability to respond to the external environment with cost cuts.
spk07: Okay.
spk08: Thank you, Chris.
spk07: Our next question is from Eric Lupko with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
spk11: Great. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to touch on the supply chain. Jeff, you brought that up earlier in the call. It sounds like there were some pressure points there. Maybe you could provide some more color, whether that's related to equipment or materials or labor availability. And does it change at all kind of the plans to accelerate the rate of quantum fiber up to a million and a half new fiber passings by the end of this year? And then, secondly, I just wanted to touch on some of the inflation pressures again. I'm just wondering, to what degree do you think, like, you have the ability to maybe raise pricing on some of your products that you're selling to maybe offset some of that? Just wondering, in the enterprise outlook, how the pricing equation looks versus the volume equation on growth. Thanks.
spk05: Sure. I'll take the first half of that question and then let Chris talk about the second half on supply chains. Eric, you asked, is it equipment, labor, or materials? The answer is yes on all three of them. We deal with each of them differently, but the inflationary pressures that you see, that the rest of the market sees, are the same ones that we see, and they come in those three main areas. We've got great, not the inflation, I'm sorry, the supply chain pressures. We've got great relationships with our large vendors, so whether that's material vendors or equipment vendors, we've got great relationships with them. We're working through their challenges with them, and we feel pretty good about that, and we think it's improving slightly, but it's too early to call whether that's a blip or a trend. and we'll continue to stay very focused on that, working closely with our large suppliers and our large vendors, and we will continue to work on labor costs. For example, I mentioned CWA, but one of the things that we've also done with our employees is we plan to bring all of the quantum fiber splicing in-house. We want to do that with super qualified technicians very capable people that that's very important to get done right so we'll continue to look at how can we how can we do some of these things ourselves as opposed to going out in the outside market with respect does it slow the quantum fiber bill i have not changed my expectations that i've given our team okay i i still want to get to you know close to a million homes this this year. It certainly does affect us. We talked about permitting. I mentioned it in the comments. Their labor shortages in permitting departments causes problems for us. Labor challenges in electric companies cause problems with us for pole attachments. And so there are other people's labor challenges that do cause us to slow. But I have not changed my targets that I've given our team internally at this point.
spk01: And Eric, to the second question on the pricing environment, look, I think the pricing environment is favorable right now. And certainly, we will adjust where we can and be at market rates. We're going to make sure that we're maximizing the value to our shareholders by pricing where the market is. And that's certainly part of our plan as we move through the current environment. Great. Thank you both.
spk09: Thanks, Eric. Next question, friends.
spk07: Next question is from David Barden with the Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk10: Hey, guys. Thanks so much for taking the questions. First, I guess, Chris, I think last quarter in preparation for retooling how the reporting for the business segment happened, there was a conversation about KPIs and the idea that one of the missing links between the market and your guys' internal view of the business is that we don't have a build-up to get to these revenue categories. So I know Simon was asking earlier about the profitability, but I'm asking if there's an ability and an attention and an ability to share something like that with the market. I guess the second question would just be on broadband, kind of two subcategories. factors in there. One, the transition from the EBB program to the ACP program, a little less money out there, a little less government stimulus helping the broadband segment, and then fixed growth access, looking like they're going to come in with 100% market share in broadband this quarter. Could you kind of comment on the impact that those two things are having on your kind of run rate business and your outlook for fiber?
spk05: Thanks. Before you answer, David, would you repeat the second part of that? I didn't catch it.
spk10: Sorry, the second question was the impact on the broadband business from the twin forces of fixed wireless access and the kind of reduced government stimulus in the system.
spk05: Okay, the part I missed was fixed wired access. I just didn't understand it. Thanks.
spk01: Go ahead, Chris. Yeah, so, David, I'll certainly spend more time looking at this. I do want to walk before we run. I think the biggest gap, at least, that I saw between Mike Valdesia, How lumen was reporting and the way we were talking about the business was really giving insight into how we're going to grow, so I think this was the first big step. Mike Valdesia, And and we'll certainly you know continue with that, as we go forward, I do, and I based this off of you know my previous experience, I do want to be careful about. Mike Valdesia, telling too much to our competition about where and how we make money, I think that's. in a lot of ways that can provide more harm to Lumen shareholders than benefit. So we'll certainly consider that as we go forward. We'll certainly try to give more color. But I don't want to overpromise on that at this early date. And you do have my commitment. We'll continue to certainly talk about the revenue pieces and try to give more color around that as we go forward on how we're going to grow.
spk05: With respect to stimulus and what does that affect on the broadband, the transitioning from one stimulus program to another, one investment program, subsidy program, it's too early to say. These programs are just being established. We'll see what they look like and how they come out. We do think there are opportunities for lumen and quantum fiber to engage. with those government programs to make sure that we're bringing our capabilities to the largest footprint that we can. But our strategic focus is also a part of that. If you look at our quantum fiber bill, we're focusing in on areas where we have network advantage, where we have scale advantage, and where we can invest in dense ways to make sure that we have the low cost advantage on building out networks. And so our strategic focus in honing in on the places that make most sense for quantum fiber is part of that whole equation. With respect to fixed wireless access, I don't know if you were meaning in enterprise or if you were meaning in mass markets. In mass markets, I'd love to compete with fixed wireless access. Is it going to have an application? Of course it is. The fiber wins. We announced this morning that we're going to build, that we have the capability on the platform that we're putting in the ground today. The platform delivers eight gigabit solutions, three gigabit solutions. We can go to where our customers need us to go. And I think fixed wireless access runs out of scale much quicker than that. And you've heard me say this many times, communications data wants to get to glass as quickly as it can. And so we strongly believe in our ability to build quantum fiber in a way that competes with fixed wireless access. If you look at the enterprise side, I have some of the same comments, but I see it more as an opportunity for us as we do campus area networking for our customers. We take the traffic in. We carry it out to our edge storage. We may use fixed wireless access to help them with their campus area networking. And so that's kind of my comment on that.
spk10: Great. Thank you. If I could ask one quick follow-up on wholesale. AT&T guided down their enterprise segment for the rest of the year based on higher re-rates as a cost. You mentioned that even though wholesale was a benefit on the revenue line, that the costs were actually higher than the revenue benefit. Who's on the other side of these transactions that's making all the money?
spk05: Well, I'll try and answer that. I can only really speak for Lumen, but I'll try and be as complete in my answer as possible. If you look at Lumen, We have our vendors, our off net providers have been raising our rates to market rates, uh, as they can, uh, contractually. And we've been dealing with it, shielding it from our business by being very aggressive in our off net to on net transitions. Uh, why pay anybody anything if you can do it yourself? And so since certainly since the level three transaction, but really long before. We have been very focused on making sure that we move off net to on net and manage our costs that way. We also get to manage the customer experience. We have a much better customer experience when we control it end to end. And so we'll continue to do that, and we've seen that. But we've seen rate hikes over many years as either contracts expire or a specific thing will expire. We see our vendors moving to market rates now. We intend to do the same thing. We do the same thing in our business and we'll continue to do that. We raise our customers' rates to market rates if they're below and some particular deal expires. I'm not addressing any particular one of our vendors or any particular one of our customers, but we do the same behavior. Who's making money at it? I can't answer that part of it. I mean, I know what the impact is on us.
spk01: I would just add really quick just a nuance here that wholesale as well as other, you know, in our new classifications were impacted by an IT solutions contract. It was about $25 million. So that's why you see, you know, the variances that you're seeing in both of those two buckets.
spk10: I've got it. Okay. Well, thank you, Chris and Jeff.
spk09: Sure. Thanks, David. Next question, Chris?
spk07: Our next question is from Nick Del Deo with the Moffitt Nathanson. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks for taking my questions.
spk02: Um, first Chris, just on that last 25 million you mentioned, um, it, so, so that's a one timer. It's not going to persist as the transitions continue.
spk01: And that's, that's why we, uh, as we mentioned in the prepared remarks that, you know, it solutions and equipment we're pulling into that other bucket because they are spiky. Um, and, uh, It's also a lower margin business, so we pull those out, and that was in the wholesale bucket.
spk02: Okay, okay. And then earlier in the call, you also talked about how there are certain costs that you're incurring for the transitions that you then bill to customers. I see there's, I guess, a $30 million net income reconciliation that you have in your supplement. Is it fair to say that there's roughly $30 million in net? OPEX that you're bearing and about 30 million that you're taking back. And we should think about that as we contemplate your margins.
spk01: Yeah, that's right. And what it is, is that where we have non-100% dedicated resources, they're doing their day jobs for Lumen, but they're also, if you will, part-time or part of their time on supporting transaction service agreements. All of the OPEX hits our OPEX line Um, you know, we'll adjust that out, uh, and adjusted EBITDA, but then we recover it in other income.
spk02: Okay. Okay. And you know, finally, you know, I know in the past you've given some rough numbers for, you know, the contribution from the LATAM assets and the Apollo assets. Um, you know, I think you've been hesitant to give those, uh, with any specificity, but given, given you just closed the LATAM deal, given that a time you've been working to close the Apollo deal. Any chance you can share kind of more detailed, you know, figures for revenue, EBITDA, CapEx, whatever it might be to help us as we model the business after these divestitures close?
spk01: Yeah. So after we close the ILAC sale, we will, you know, give restated numbers and that I think will give you the visibility you need. But we're going to wait until we close both or have closed.
spk02: Okay. So the restatement we'll have or the recast numbers will have both the impact of LATAM and the ILAC deal.
spk01: That's correct. Yep.
spk02: Okay. Okay. Great.
spk07: Thank you, Chris.
spk09: Next question, please.
spk07: Our next question is from with the UBS. Please go ahead.
spk03: Great. Thank you. You've signed a lot of deals within the public sector lately and some of your peers are talking about pressure in that segment. Can you provide more color if we should think about these deals as incremental to your base and what type of trends you're seeing? And maybe a rough estimate of what percent of your enterprise, large enterprise, comes from the public sector. That would be helpful. And just another question on the competitive environment in broadband. Are you seeing any response from cable right now ahead of your quantum launch in terms of pricing or marketing, anything that you would call out? Thank you.
spk05: So let me take as many of those as I can, Batya, and then I'll let Chris chime in if I miss any of them. With respect to government, look, we don't give out the percentage of any of those types of things for the reason Chris mentioned a minute ago, is we don't want to educate competitors and that sort of thing. But let me talk again about Lumen and what I see from our public sector. I think we have a great public sector team that does a great job of selling excellent products that fit our customers' needs. And if you look at, at the, um, the deals that I, that I mentioned, you know, USDA, um, the. Order and protection agency, USPS, you know, just looking at those deals, those are all new to us, but we took share from somebody because those are not new deals themselves. Uh, so if you look at our business, we are a share taker in the government. And it's because of the quality of the products, the Lumen platform, and the excellent team that we have supporting the government, and the track record that we have supporting them. So, you know, I feel very good about our government business. I think it's represented in our large enterprise customers, too, that I feel the same way for them. That, yeah, sometimes others look to large enterprises declining, and we certainly have challenges with it as well. But we take share from people more than some brand new thing that never existed before. And so I feel good about the government business. With respect to cable, they'll always do something to kind of lead and preempt some overbuild and overcapability. And we saw a little bit increase in DSL. but not anything substantial. Once we get our quantum fiber product in front of them, I think that we'll more than hold our own. When you have multi-gigabit symmetrical capacity with layered on capabilities, I think anything they do in the meantime won't really matter.
spk03: Okay, thank you.
spk05: No, I think you covered it. All right. Thanks, Bobby. Thanks, Raja. Next question, please.
spk07: Our next question is from James Ratcliffe with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Great.
spk06: Thanks for taking the question. As we look forward to Lumen post the Apollo divestitures and the like, how should we be thinking about what the EBITDA margin profile of this business looks like? I mean, some of the declining areas are pretty high margin revenue, but you're also sort of presumably on the wholesale side, you're ongoing saving money there as you continue to build up the fiber network. Right now, you're running margins sort of, you know, for example, above AT&T's business or consumer broadband segments. But how do we think about RemainCo, where that looks like going forward? Thanks.
spk01: Yeah, again, I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here. I think we will give you, as I just mentioned a few minutes ago, a good RemainCo footprint P&L and how those financials play out once we're closed with the divestitures. What I would say is that as we go forward, though, with our growth opportunities in both segments, we feel good about where our margin profile is and our abilities to grow top line as well as EBITDA. So I think I'd leave it there. Jeff, did you want to add anything?
spk05: Yeah, James, the other thing is We believe that we're transforming our business, and a big part of that are reductions in our cost structure and improvement in our customer experience, and we think that we have opportunities ahead of us, and we'll continue to focus on those things. Our business is evolving, and we are very good at evolving with it and modifying the way that we deliver our services. We've got the Lumen Marketplace. We've got the Lumen Platform. We've got all sorts of capabilities that we're putting in place to make sure that we can deliver an outstanding customer experience for the lowest cost.
spk07: Great. Thank you.
spk09: Thanks, James. I've got time for just one more.
spk07: Very good. Our last question will be from Bora Lee with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Thanks for taking my questions.
spk04: So fiber infrastructure services revenues posted sequential growth in each of your sales channels. Is there anything to call out there in terms of products or services that drove that growth, and if you think that trend is sustainable? And then regarding the change to the business reporting structure, can you talk about how you envision this change might impact your sales force, be it organizational structure, sales force incentives, as well as your go-to-market strategy? Thanks.
spk05: Sure. So let me, let me take the first one is, um, slightly, uh, there's nothing special to call out that comes to mind, uh, in, in fiber infrastructure services. Um, but we're a fiber based company and that is the core of who we are and what we do. So I don't have any kind of special one time. It's always, it's always a lumpy, you know, those, those, a lot of our business is lumpy. But fiber infrastructure tends to be lumpier than most. But at two we are, and we're really, really good at it. And so I don't have any special thing to call out.
spk01: Yeah, and on the second question, look, I mean, broadly speaking, this is not true for every product, but broadly speaking, if you look at the harvest category, those are products that really Patrick O' aren't being sold anymore, certainly not in any in any major quantity so so that really becomes a focus on how do we maximize the long term value of existing customers and that can be through cost management. Patrick O' As well as pricing and the cost management frankly can can cross multiple technologies and frankly beyond that bucket so so it's a complex thing to go after but we've got the right people to tackle that. As it relates to incentives, I mean, again, I'd say that the whole organization is focused on growth. We'll constantly look at how we incent ourselves and our teams to make sure we maximize that. And that's certainly something that we do every year as we plan for the next year. But I think the real benefit of the buckets is a sharper focus on, for lack of a better term, who gets what. The way we deploy capital, the way we deploy OpEx, and our internal resources Will be delineated around those buckets. Right. And, and I think that clarity and focus is a benefit to the organization. And I think we'll see that in future results as we go forward.
spk05: Sure. Thank you. Looking closing. This has been a very active year for us. In addition to seeing the growth across, you know, multiple strategic enterprise product offerings. We closed the lifetime divestiture. We're on the eve of closing our ILEC divestiture. We've ramped quantum fiber build while launching new product capabilities. We see significant opportunity ahead for both our business and mass market segments as we focus Lumen on the most strategic and best return opportunities. So I look forward to updating you on our progress as we execute our plan. And thank you for your participation in today's call. With that, we'll end the call. Thank you again.
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