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spk06: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the MasterCard third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one in your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Warren Nishaw, head of investor relations. Please go ahead.
spk02: Thank you, Jamaria. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2021 earnings call. With me today are Michael Meebok, our Chief Executive Officer, and Sachin Mehra, our Chief Financial Officer. Following comments from Michael and Sachin, the operator will announce your opportunity to get into the queue for the Q&A session. It's only then that the queue will open for questions. You can access our earnings release, supplemental performance data, and the slide deck that accompanied this call in the investor relations section of our website, MasterCard.com. Additionally, the release was furnished with the SEC earlier this morning. Our comments today regarding our financial results will be on a non-GAAP currency neutral basis unless otherwise noted. Both the release and the slide deck include reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to their GAAP reported amounts. Finally, as set forth in more detail in our earnings release, I would like to remind everyone that today's call will include forward-looking statements regarding MasterCard's future performance. Actual performance could differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Information about the factors that could affect future performance are summarized at the end of our earnings release and in our recent SEC filings. A replay of this call will be posted on our website for 30 days. With that, I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Meebach.
spk09: Thank you, Warren. Good morning, everyone. So let me start by giving you the highlights of the quarter. Strong revenue and earnings growth continued, with net revenue up 29% and EPS up 48% versus a year ago. as always on a non-GAAP currency neutral basis. On the same basis, quarter three net revenues are now 11% above pre-COVID levels in 2019. We've seen continued strength in domestic spending, and overall cross-border volumes are now back at 2019 levels, though there still remain significant growth in cross-border travel. We're continuing to execute against our strategic priorities with good progress on the product and deal fronts this quarter, and we're excited about our acquisition of CypherTrace in the crypto services area and our planned acquisition of AYA in open banking. So those are the highlights. Looking at the broader economy, domestic spending levels continue to improve, even though economies are facing supply chain constraints, rising energy prices, and some other inflationary pressures. According to our quarter three spending pulse report, which is based on all payment types, including cash and check,
spk00: U.S.
spk09: retail sales, ex-auto, ex-gas, were up 5% versus a year ago and 12% versus 2019, reflecting the return to in-person shopping and the ongoing e-commerce strength. Spending paths also indicated that overall European retail sales in quarter three were up 5% and 6% versus 2019. As it relates to COVID specifically, the outlook continues to get better, with case numbers generally improving, new therapeutics in the pipeline, progress on vaccinations, and businesses becoming more agile in the face of remaining restrictions. We're also seeing a general trend toward the opening of travel corridors, notably inbound into the U.S., and some easing of restrictions in Asia. Now turning to our business. While the pandemic is not fully behind us, we're now in the growth phase in most markets domestically, and in many markets in cross-border spending as well. We will therefore turn the page and move beyond the four-phase framework that guided us through the last 19 months and focus on managing the business for the growth opportunity ahead of us. Looking at MasterCard's spending trends, switched volumes improved quarter over quarter. We saw particular strength in consumer and commercial credit. Debit spend remains elevated, although it has moderated in recent weeks in part due to waning stimulus benefits. In terms of how people are spending, Cart present volumes continue to improve as people are getting out and shopping more, while we're still seeing sustained strength in cart not present spend. So regardless of whether people want to shop online or in person, our solutions support that choice and position as well to participate in both trends. Now let's take a look at cross-border. Overall, cross-border returned to 2019 levels in August. driven by improvements in consumer and commercial travel, as well as the ongoing strength of cross-border card not present spending ex-travel. Cross-border travel improved from 48% of 2019 levels in the second quarter to 72% this quarter, with substantial upside potential still remaining as and when borders open. Against this backdrop, we're investing in the growth of our business, including the enhancing of our leading technology capabilities. expanding our network edge to connect directly with our customers through the cloud, providing faster and easier access to our products and services. And of course, we remain focused on our strategic priorities. Number one, growing our core products while driving the shift to digital. Two, differentiating and diversifying with our services. And three, leveraging our multi-rail capabilities to offer choice across payment applications. Now let's take them one by one and turn to how we're growing our core products and driving the shift through digital. Through MasterCard installments, by winning core deals, and by continuing our momentum in the FinTech space. First, let me tell you about our recently announced MasterCard installments, our scalable, open-loop, buy-now-pay-later solution. MasterCard Installments is differentiated in that it enables banks, lenders, fintechs, and wallets to seamlessly bring buy-now-pay-later solutions to consumers and merchants at scale and in a secure, tokenized manner. With little to no integration for merchants, our solution avoids the need for lenders to engage merchants one by one to roll this out, enables them to deliver more payment options to more consumers faster. Our solution brings choice at scale, delivered through the MasterCard network. Our consumers will be able to access buy now, pay later offers through their bank's mobile banking app at the point of checkout and soon directly through click-to-pay. The embedded power of finicity will help lend us with credit decisioning and enable consumers to easily choose different repayment options. MasterCard installments with power of core payments enable us to provide additional value through services, such as data analytics, loyalty, and fraud tools. We've seen strong interest from players on all sides of the ecosystem and look forward to growing our partnerships in this area. As always, we remain focused on continuing to grow share, and we've won deals across the globe this quarter. In the UK, we're partnering with Chase as the preferred debit partner of their new digital retail bank. In Canada, we've extended our exclusive co-brand with Costco Canada, and in Brazil, we signed a deal with Autopass to issue more than 10 million cards to mass transit users in the Sao Paulo area, and along with that, opened contactless acceptance across their subways, trains, and city buses. We're also building our leading position with fintechs and mobile money providers. Here are a few recent examples. PayPal has extended its PayPal business debit card into our four markets in Europe. PayPal will also directly leverage Mastercard Send for domestic wallet cash-outs and P2P transactions in the US. We're partnering with Vodafone in Egypt across all of their mobile money use cases, including cash-outs, P2P, and bill payment. We expanded our strategic partnership with Yandex in Russia and will be their preferred international partner for all of their fintech initiatives. And ThinkTerra, an innovative market leader that connects U.S. banks and fintechs to get constant financial products into the market, will leverage our digital first, finicity, masterclass end, and cybersecurity assets. Now, shifting to services. Our services support and differentiate our core products and have played a critical role in enabling many of the wins I just mentioned. They, of course, also diversify our business. We've had many wins in this area in this quarter. Starting with the cybersecurity space, Ethica is helping multiple players, including AT&T, and MercadoLibre reduced chargebacks through collaboration, thereby creating purchase transparency. Banco de Bogota is using our artificial intelligence capabilities to improve consumer experiences, increase profitability, and identify new opportunities. And in Europe, Mutorum is leveraging new data's behavioral biometrics to help thousands of new banks authenticate online transactions. Data analytics. The tourism agencies in Greece, Hungary, and elsewhere are using services like Tourism Insights and managed services to gather greater visibility of trends and drive deeper insights to support their tourism campaigns. The UAE. HSBC is leveraging our test and learn capabilities to innovate, experiment, and roll out new products for better customer engagement. And we're having success in the loyalty space with our innovative digital solutions driving wins with players like the global fitness chain Barry's and by First and Saudi National Bank. Now, let's turn to the progress we've made in offering choice to consumers across payment applications with our multi-rail capabilities, including open banking, B2B, and crypto. In open banking, we're happy about our planned acquisition of AYA. AYA is a leading European open banking player whose platform, expertise, strong API connectivity, and payment capabilities complement our existing open banking assets. We will combine AYA's European footprint with Finicity's connectivity in the U.S., and our expansion into other markets like Australia. This will allow us to extend each organization's best-in-class capabilities, such as credit decisioning, credit scoring, account information services, and payment applications across markets. Talking about markets, we continue to make progress with our open banking products in Europe, players like Intercard, one of Scandinavia's leading credit card companies. And in the U.S., Felicity is working with Yuzio to enable account opening verifications along with future plans to expand into payments. In B2B, we continue to expand the track business payment service network with key partners like JPMorgan Chase, as well as merchant acquirers such as Moneris, the largest acquirer and leading processor of B2B transactions in Canada. and Priority Commercial Payments, a leading payments technology company in commercial payment solutions in the U.S. We're also adding new functionality to TrackBPS and are partnering with DemiCard to launch a supply chain finance capability. This functionality empowers payment agents to provide their business customers with access to affordable working capital directly through the Mastercard TrackBPS platform. And in the U.K., HSBC will be the first to issue a MasterCard track card-to-account transfer product, an innovative B2B payment solution that allows businesses to use their commercial card program to make payments to any supplier, even if that supplier does not accept card payments. Again, a true multi-rail offering. And finally, in the crypto space, we're making it easier for crypto players to connect to our network. We signed up a number of new crypto wallet providers and exchanges this quarter. including Bit2Me, Novo Pargo UK, Kanga by Zen.com, Coinmotion, and Coinjar. Our crypto program, which is based on three principles of engagement, allows consumers to easily buy crypto assets with their MasterCard, spend their crypto balances wherever MasterCard is accepted, cash out their proceeds with MasterCard send, and earn rewards in the form of crypto or even NFT. We're also seeing a growing services opportunity Earlier this month, it was Ciphertrace, a security and fraud monitoring company with expertise, technology, and insights into more than 900 cryptocurrencies. Our recently announced agreement with SPACT will also add to our expanding crypto services portfolio. So let me sum this up one more time. We delivered strong revenue earnings growth this quarter. We are seeing continued strength in domestic spending in most markets. And while overall cross-border volumes are back at 2019 levels, there remains significant room for growth in cross-border travel. We're executing against our strategic priorities with good progress on the product and deal fronts, as you heard. We're doing all of that while carefully managing our expenses. That's it from me. Sachin, over to you.
spk10: Thanks, Michael, and good morning, everyone. So turning to page three, which shows our financial performance for the quarter on a currency-neutral basis, excluding special items, and the impact of gains and losses on our equity investments. Net revenue was up 29%, reflecting the continued execution of our strategy and the ongoing recovery in spending. Acquisitions contributed three PPT to this growth. Operating expenses increased 23%, including an 8 PPT increase from acquisitions. Operating income was up 34% and net income was up 45%, both of which include a 1 PPT decrease related to acquisitions. Further, net income growth was also positively impacted by 6 PPT due to the recognition of higher one-time discrete U.S. tax benefits versus a year ago. EPS was up 48% year-over-year to $2.37, which includes $0.02 of dilution related to our recent acquisitions, offset by a $0.04 contribution from share repurchases. During the quarter, we repurchased $1.6 billion worth of stock and an additional $361 million through October 25th, 2021. So now let's go to page four, where you can see the operational metrics for the third quarter. Worldwide gross dollar volume, or GDP, increased by 20% year-over-year on a local currency basis. We are seeing continued strength in both debit and credit. U.S. GDP increased by 20%, with debit growth of 9% and credit growth of 36%. Outside of the U.S., volume increased 20%, with debit growth of 23% and credit growth of 16%. To put this in perspective, at a percentage of 2019 levels, GDD is at 121%, up 2 ppt sequentially, with credit at 111%, up 4 ppt sequentially, and debit at 131%, flat quarter over quarter. Cross-border volume was up 52% globally for the quarter, with intra-Europe cross-border volumes up 47% and other cross-border volumes up 60%, reflecting continued improvement and the lapping of the pandemic last year. In the third quarter, cross-border volume was 97% of 2019 levels, with intra-Europe at 112% and other cross-border volume at 83% of 2019 levels. Notably, cross-border volumes averaged at or above 100% of 2019 levels in the months of August and September. Turning now to page 5, switch transactions grew 25% year-over-year in Q3 and were at 131% of 2019 levels. Card-not-present growth rates remained strong and card-present growth continued to improve. Card present growth was aided in part by increases in contactless penetration in several regions. In Q3, contactless transactions represented 48% of in-person purchase transactions globally, up from 45% last quarter. In addition, card growth was 8%. Globally, there are 2.9 billion MasterCard and Maestro branded cards issued. Now let's go to page 6 for highlights on a few of the revenue line items, again described on a currency-neutral basis, unless otherwise noted. The increase in net revenue of 29% was primarily driven by domestic and cross-border transaction and volume growth, as well as strong growth in services, partially offset by higher rebates and incentives. As previously mentioned, acquisitions contributed approximately 3 ppt to net revenue growth. Looking quickly at the individual revenue line items, Domestic assessments were up 21%, while worldwide GDP grew 20%. Cross-border volume fees increased 59%, while cross-border volumes increased 52%. The 7-PPT difference is primarily due to favorable mix, as higher-yielding ex-intra-Europe cross-border volumes grew faster than intra-Europe cross-border volumes this quarter. Transaction processing fees were up 26%, generally in line with switch transaction growth of 25%. Other revenues were up 35%, including a 10 TPT contribution from acquisitions. The remaining growth was mostly driven by our cyber and intelligence and data and services solutions. Finally, rebates and incentives were up 34%, reflecting the strong growth in volume in transactions and new and renewed deal activity. Moving on to page 7, you can see that on a currency-neutral basis, total operating expenses increased 23%, including an HPPD impact from acquisitions. Excluding acquisitions, operating expenses grew 16%, primarily due to higher personnel costs as we invest in our strategic initiatives, including increased spending on advertising and marketing and increased data processing costs. Turning to page eight, let's discuss the specific metrics for the first three weeks of October. We are seeing continued strength in growth rates across our operating metrics versus 2020, in part due to the lapping effects related to the pandemic that began last year. To provide you better visibility into current spending levels, we are once again showing 2021 volumes and transactions as a percentage of the 2019 amounts, when we were not experiencing the impact of the pandemic. So, if you look at spending levels as a percentage of 2019 for switched volumes, through the first three weeks of October, the recent trends have continued with overall switched volumes at 134% of 2019 levels, up 3 ppt versus Q3. The U.S. has held steady with some moderation in growth from earlier levels due to the roll-off of stimulus, and outside the U.S., we have seen continued improvement. trends in switched transactions remain steady and are generally tracking the trends we are seeing in switched volumes. In terms of cross-border, as I noted earlier, spending levels as a percentage of 2019 were back to pre-pandemic levels starting in August. That improving trend has continued through the first three weeks of October, and we are now at 105% of 2019 levels. This improvement is driven by increases in both travel and non-travel cross-border volumes. As it relates to travel, we have seen it picking up in all regions, notably within and to Europe, and recently into Canada as well. Turning to page 9, I wanted to share our current thoughts looking forward. First off, our deal momentum and service lines continue to position us well for growth and diversify our revenues, and we continue to make strong progress against our strategic objectives. Domestic spending levels remain healthy, and we are encouraged by the recent resurgence in international travel. We are optimistic about the announced relaxation of border restrictions in places like the US and the UK, given that we have seen travel pick up when borders have opened in the past. Further, the airlines have recently reported increased travel bookings With this as context, assuming domestic and cross-border spending trends relative to 2019 continue to improve, we would expect Q4 net revenues to grow at a low 20s rate year-over-year on a currency-neutral basis, excluding acquisitions. As a reminder, spending recovered progressively in 2020, so we will be facing a more difficult comp of approximately 7 ppt in the fourth quarter relative to the third quarter. It is also important to point out that this is just one potential scenario, as the level of uncertainty remains related to the pandemic, and therefore the pace of recovery may not be linear. In terms of operating expenses for the fourth quarter, we expect operating expenses to grow at the low end of low double digits versus a year ago on a currency neutral basis, excluding acquisitions. This reflects our disciplined approach to expense management while advancing our innovation agenda across payments, services, and promising new adjacencies, and continued investment in brand and product marketing. With respect to acquisitions, we are pleased to now have closed on the CypherTrace transaction, and we expect acquisitions will contribute about 2 to 3 ppt to revenue and 8 ppt to operating expense growth in Q4. This reflects the integration of several acquisitions in the open banking, digital identity, and real-time payment areas. Other items to keep in mind, foreign exchange is expected to be about a half a PPT headwind to both net revenues and operating expenses in Q4. On the other income and expense line, we are at an expense run rate of approximately $120 million per quarter given the prevailing interest rates. This excludes gains and losses on our equity investments, which are excluded from our non-GAAP metrics. And finally, we expect a tax rate of approximately 18% to 19% for the fourth quarter. Thanks, and I hope you will be able to participate in our virtual investment community meeting on November 10th. We look forward to discussing our future plans with you at that time. And with that, I will turn the call back over to Warren.
spk02: Thanks, Hachin. Jamaria, we're now ready for questions.
spk06: As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 in your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the candidate roster. Our first question will come from the line of Lisa Ellis from Moffitt Nathanson. Please proceed with your question.
spk07: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Since you launched MasterCard installments now a few weeks ago, Can you give some color on what kind of reaction you're seeing from your fintech and bank partners? And also, are you expecting that some of the specialized BNPL providers may use elements of MasterCard installments? Why or why not? Like, what would be the tradeoff that they would be making there? Thank you.
spk09: Thank you, Lisa. Let me take that question first. Final highlighter, exciting space. We talked about it for years, invested with our own installment proposition facing off to banks five, six years ago, the partnerships, and now as of late, MasterCard installments, as you said. You saw a strong lineup of initial partners, bank partners initially. I mean, the thought is to remind everybody again, here is a proposition that we have built into our network. So this is really delivered with no hassle for merchants or for lenders at the point of sale. So the reaction from banks are strong. Here in the U.S., that's where our lineup of U.S. lending partners was. But I've spent time on the roads over the last three weeks in Europe, and similar conversation emerged there. It was just a couple of days after the announcement over in Italy, and banks were saying, wow, this makes a lot of sense. It's really avoiding a significant headache for us and get into a space that we all believe is important from a consumer perspective. On the fintech side, fintech lenders, novel lenders, we lean in with fintechs. Some call them disruptors. We feel these are partnerships. We should enable anybody who wants to come on our network. And we're certainly marketing this to ensure that we have the full breadth of what the market has in terms of lending offering. That's going to be good for consumers and merchants. So watch this space. More to come. But I think it's a very compelling proposition.
spk06: Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Don Sandetti from Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
spk13: Hi, good morning. Michael, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about disintermediation. And it seems like investors are more focused on it after the square after pay deal. Can you talk about that and your thoughts on more direct payments out of consumer accounts in the U.S.?
spk09: Right. So, Don, great question. You know, choice in payments has been a theme for MasterCard now for, I think, basically always, but specifically with our investments in the account-to-account space over the last six years. So we see the demand from merchants and from consumers. For the consumer, it makes sense because all your spend into, you know, you can see it all on one bank account. That would be one aspect to, you know, why consumers might like that. Merchant likes it for choice and, you know, higher baskets of more sales. So the interest is clearly there. We've been on this journey for a while, and we don't necessarily see this as a disintermediation opportunity. I mean, that's certainly something to watch, but we look at it as an opportunity. We say this could be additional volumes that we've not been involved with. This could be what was historically the consumer finance business. This would be something that was just a direct debit business that we've seen in some European countries and so forth. That's broadly how we look at it. We build a full stack around this that helps to get you money from A to B. But that's just half of the story. Probably not even half of the story, because it's the whole experience that really matters. You've got to have the security. What happens if you do a push payment and you want your money back? Some of those best practices that we've learned over the last decades in cards is what we're intending to build here. So it's interesting to see blogs out there on how account-to-account might look like. We have four years now in pay-by-account in the UK. We've got those learnings. We're ahead of the market here, very clearly knowing what works, what the economic model should look like, what the proposition is that would really make a difference for merchants, for acquirers. who will be all playing in this space. So I don't see a disintermediation risk. I see an opportunity for us to extend our partnerships and gain new flows. And I'll just add, John, to what Michael just said.
spk10: As it relates to your question around specifically on the threat of closed loops, look, we're big believers in the benefits of the open loop system, which we believe is very powerful. I mean, for the reasons Michael just mentioned, we bring consumers at scale. We bring global acceptance. I mean, we have north of 80 million merchant acceptance points, and this is growing rapidly. And the cost of acceptance is very competitive. And when you take that along with what Michael talked about around the various technologies and the expertise we bring, everything from digital core solutions, fraud solutions, merchant support, processing assets, now most recently mass about installments, that's a very compelling proposition to go open-loop in our view, which is why we believe that if people wish to scale, the best way to go is open-loop, which is why we think that people invest in the business very heavily to drive down that path. Thank you.
spk06: Our next question comes from the line of Brian Keene from Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
spk11: Hi, good morning. I wanted to ask about cross-border travel. You know, Visa yesterday was talking about cross-border travel not getting to 100% on the two-year until summer of calendar year 23. Just wanted to get your thoughts on when do you think we'll get to reach back to 100% on cross-border travel. And then secondly, it looks like you guys are running a little bit faster, a little bit ahead of Visa's number for cross-border travel, and just wondering what might be some of the factors that are driving a little stronger demand for you guys so far. Thanks.
spk10: Sure. So Brian, I'll go ahead and take that. I know you're asking specifically about cross-border travel, but I just want to kind of put the headline out there, which is For cross-border as a whole, we have seen very strong growth in Q3, as you've seen. And, you know, yes, travel has been a big component of that. Specifically, travel between Q2 and Q3 has gone from what was 48% of 2019 levels to 72% in Q3. And now in the first three weeks of October, it's tracking more like at 77%. And look, what this signals to us very clearly is if people can travel, they will travel. And I think that's really, really important to recognize. And then when you overlay that with what's going on in the nature of announcements around opening of borders, more specifically, The U.S. has recently talked about inbound travel into the U.S. In fact, I think just a couple of days ago, they laid out the actual details around how people can come into the U.S. You combine that with the fact that Europe has opened up, the U.K. is showing good signals of opening up. Even in Asia, we're starting to see corridors between Singapore and Australia, Singapore and India, these corridors are all starting to open up. These are all encouraging signs for us from a cross-border travel standpoint. We remain optimistic on that front, especially given that if those borders open up and they come with what would be light burdens from a quarantining standpoint, which is what we're seeing right now, you know, people have said that they will travel, and they've demonstrated that through Q3. So here's what I tell you. I think travel is something which people want to do. They're showing that willingness to do it. Now it's a question of, which are the other countries which will open up in addition to the borders I've just talked about. And you're seeing this reflected in the bookings which airlines are reporting as well. So we remain optimistic on this front. I can't really tell you specifically which day, which month it's going to reach to 100% of 2019 levels, but generally the trend is moving in the right direction there.
spk09: Right. And coming back to being on the road for quite a few weeks, you start to see also the mix changing. While initially this was leisure travel, you start to see business travel really kicking in. So that gives us another signal that really the pent-up demand is coming across all channels. People want to see their customers. They wanted to see their family first. Now they want to see their customers.
spk10: It's happening. And just one final point I'll make. You'll remember over the last few quarters, we've talked about how, in anticipation for the return of travel, we have been investing and bolstering our capabilities from a travel standpoint. And we've been doing this actually for many years now, but even through the pandemic, we've been winning deals in travel, as also our teams have been very focused on the ground in terms of making sure We're optimizing our travel portfolios the best we can. So we're ready to actually jump on this as soon as we start to see this trend come back, which we are seeing now.
spk13: Great. Thanks for taking the question. Sure.
spk06: Our next question will come from the line of George Mihalis from Cowan. Please proceed with your question.
spk05: Great. Thanks for taking my question, guys.
spk09: Maybe dovetailing a little bit onto Brian's question, I just wanted to focus a little bit on how we should be thinking maybe about rebates and incentives going forward. Sachin, should we be thinking this level is sort of similar for 4Q, a similar level to 3Q? And then, again, not asking for guidance for next year, obviously, but as you do have cross-border revenues coming back strongly and actually eclipsing 2019 in aggregates, Should that sort of put a cap on rebates and incentives as a percentage of revenue, meaning should it, you know, kind of be flattish or maybe even a little bit down from 21? Thank you. Sure.
spk10: So, George, a couple of things I kind of just point out on rebates and incentives, and I think you know all of this, but I'll just kind of state it here. Excuse me, rebates and incentives is very dependent on the timing of deals and how volume and mix plays out. And it goes to your point around what the mix is between domestic and cross-border and how you model that and bring that in there. In Q4, we expect rebates and incentives as a percentage of gross. to be up sequentially due to increased deal activity. This is pretty normal for us in Q4, and that's what you should expect also going into Q4 of this year. At the end of the day, a lot is going to depend upon, like I said, what the mix is going to look like. We have said in the past that cross-border revenues are less indexed from a rebates and incentives standpoint. So, again, depending on the mix between domestic and cross-border, you know, that will inform our kind of views around where rebates and incentives will go on a going-forward basis. Of course, new and renewed deals, which we remain very active in the market, also are going to be a contributing factor. Great. Thank you.
spk06: Our next question will come from the line of Tianjin Huang from J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.
spk00: Hey, thanks so much. Good morning, guys. Just wanted to ask on the Europe front with the discontinuance of the 400 million Maestro cards that's been in the press here, what are the implications there from a P&L perspective as you look to convert at a time when open banking is really heating up here? Just trying to better understand that. Thanks.
spk09: Let me start on that and then Sachin can come in on the P&L side of things. So, you know, we've been on this journey of maestro to a Devis Mastikot conversion around the world. You heard us talk about this for a number of years. In Europe, we've really made substantial progress on that front over the years, and we felt it would be important to put a stake in the ground and give assurance to consumers as well as other ecosystem participants, banks, and so forth, banking associations, on when we see the end of life for the Maestro product. Why are we doing that? We're doing it because here's the 450 million consumers who cannot use a MasterCard online because it doesn't work online. Debit MasterCard is... Now in its latest form, you're available in a digital first form. You don't even need a physical card any longer if that's what you want to do or you want it with contactless. It gives you the full breadth of choice. So that is why we're doing this. The timing is right. The reaction was essentially okay. It had to do in terms of leading European tabloids. We made it onto the front page with that news. It is big news in Europe, as you rightly said. But, you know, it's just the right thing to do. And what we've seen from a performance perspective, it is a more engaging payment tool in your hands. And people use it across all channels, and that's what we want. We're very encouraged about that. And then Sachin, you can look at the P&L side of things.
spk10: Sure. So this will not take effect until 2023. And Michael talked about approximately 400 million maestro cards globally. Again, this is Europe-specific. This has been a trend which has currently been underway for some time now. And the reality is it's about not issuing new maestro cards. Existing maestro cards will continue to be in operation. We've been on this migration path. It makes eminent sense. It just provides better utility for our products and increasing the digital world. So the reality is I kind of view this as a step in the right direction. And, you know, we've been on this journey. We'll continue down this path.
spk09: Right. And one last aspect here is, you know, what we've learned here over the last couple of years as we're moving the shift from Maestro David Mastercard is, How do we use this as an opportunity to not only retain our business that we have on the debit front, but also to expand our business on the debit front? So we don't have any concerns on that front.
spk00: Understood. Thanks for the thoughts.
spk06: Our next question comes from the line of Darren Peller with Wolf Research. Please proceed with your question.
spk12: Thanks, guys. Nice job. Listen, when we look at a couple of quick ones, first on inflation and what the impact to your business model would be, thinking about it from a perspective of how much is obviously basis points, volume-driven, but also where you see pricing power in your model to change. And then second question would be, when you think of the structural impacts from the pandemic and where you are now, and thinking ahead of the investor day a minute, I mean, is the long-term or medium-term growth potential there? you know, similar, different, better, worse than it was last time, you know, we had an investor day out of curiosity. Thanks, guys.
spk10: Sure. So, Darren, I'll take your question on inflation. So, look, I mean, you know, there's been obviously a lot of... Talked recently about high inflation levels, whether it's permanent, whether it's long-term, whether it's just, you know, transitionary. The reality is the structure of our business model is quite conducive because of the way we price, right? I mean, we've got basis points. We've got cents per transaction as it relates to how we kind of price. So we kind of view the following, which is to the extent that inflation is moderate, right? We think of that to be a positive tailwind to our business. Again, gradual and moderate inflation is going to be helpful. The reason I bring that up is any sort of shock to the economy, i.e., any sort of hyperinflationary event, oftentimes comes with drastic measures from an interest rate standpoint and comes with cost pressures which come along with that. To the extent it's moderate, it's moderately kind of positive for our business. The other thing I would say is it's important to actually see in the basket of goods and services what are the products and services which are subject to inflation and what is the amount of electronification of the flows which have taken place. and relevance to our business. So to the extent that inflation, general inflation, taking place in categories which are unrelated to card payments, I mean, that kind of is a net non-event for us. To the extent it's on things which relate to consumer spending, which have been electronified, it goes back to my point around, you know, moderate inflation being a mild positive here.
spk09: All right. Now, Darren, on your second question, structural changes, are they here to last? What makes a trend? Fascinating question. I don't want to out-front the investor today, but since you asked the question, I'll give you a couple of highlights on how we're thinking about that. So the first thing is it helps to understand the psyche of the changing consumer, of the small business, of everybody who's kind of in the payment space as an end user. And we now have 19 months of studies looking at this, and the numbers have really not changed. Somewhere around 70% of People and businesses are saying more digital banking will be what they will be doing going forward. More online shopping is what they will be doing going forward, and more contactless. So the secular trend that was playing in our favor for years has clearly accelerated. And if you just look at this quarter's numbers, we talked about sustained e-commerce strength. while in-person shopping is coming back. So behavior is truly sticking. So I think that's the most fundamental point that we're seeing coming through. The race to this digital economy is on. And what that also means is a lot of players want to come in. So there's structural changes in the sense of that the competitive playing field is opening up, more partners are coming in, which for a B2B to see player like us is a great opportunity to facilitate the entry of all of these botnets. So that's what we're doing. Then you start to look around and say, well, who else is looking at this, these kind of trends and these kind of developments? Most notably, governments. Governments are looking at this and they have found that over the last 19 months that payment is indeed national critical infrastructure. So that comes with government engagement, which is not always necessarily positive, but what we're seeing is a real drive to modernize payment infrastructure. And that is where we are invited to the table because we're a true multi-rail network. And they're saying, hey, you're locally invested, you're a locally relevant partner, let's talk about how do we make this better in our country. So that is certainly a structural change, as in Tinson asked earlier about new payment flows coming in, open banking, et cetera, in Europe. So we're playing on all of those trends going forward. So I think that is what is happening. I could go on for a while longer. B2B, clearly digitizing supply chains, is a drive that is in focus. We're seeing that. Data analytics and cybersecurity, that's the last point I want to make on this. With the race towards a more digital economy, there's going to be more data that is available. More business will seek to use that data and run their business in a better way, find more customers. Our test and learn capabilities, our data analytics capabilities help on that. So, again, that's a structural trend that's helpful, and the same applies for cyber and security. More digital transactions need to be made safe. More people need to be authenticated as they use these tools. Again, that plays into our offering. So structural change is really driven by COVID accelerating the race to digital.
spk06: Our next question will come from the line of David Togut from Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.
spk03: Thank you. Good morning. What are your expectations over the next year for the pace of European adoption of account-to-account payments under open banking, especially given the shift online that you've really underscored during COVID? And in particular, I'm wondering if you see strong customer authentication, which is really a key to account-to-account payments in Europe, being rolled out, you know, broadly enough to really affect, let's say, broader adoption of account-to-account payments throughout Europe.
spk09: David, let me start on that, and maybe Sachin wants to chime in. So the journey towards account-to-account in Europe, I think it's still early days. So if you look at how PSD2 has rolled out in Europe starting in September 2019, including the strong customer authentication, that's been a long journey. Dates have been moved on multiple occasions to give time to the industry to get this right. And get right means that the transaction isn't so secure that nobody can use it any longer. So the trade-off between consumer experience and security is actually found in a balanced way. And what we are seeing in our engagements in Europe is that balance is starting to be struck. So we will reach a point where such strong customer authentication in cards as well as in other forms of payments will be actually a reality in Europe. So that's the first thing I want to say. When it comes to open banking specifically, So there has been over the last two years really a focus on driving connectivity in Europe in terms of getting the open banking ecosystem stood up. That's exactly why we put out in our connectivity product in June 2019. That was the first lead into the region, and we've been quite busy with that. Use cases emerging on the basis of that really started in 2020, the U.K. being ahead of continental Europe on that while this was still one Europe. UK is still pushing ahead. You heard us talk about Lloyds on card repayments, about our partnership with Tesco. So the payment capability part of open banking is really leading in the UK. And here, our proposition is very well positioned. So we start to see that. And I see the wave coming over to continental Europe as connectivity is now there. Our acquisition of AYA is perfectly timed here. We expect to close this by the end of the year to not only bring in additional connectivity, but also additional payment capabilities. Because I do see this is not just a data capability, it's a big data, kind of a data play, account aggregation, personal finance management, and so forth, but it's also a payment opportunity.
spk03: Thank you very much.
spk06: Our next question comes from the line of Harshita Rawat from Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.
spk01: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Michael, I want to follow up on your comments on crypto. This year you've made several announcements, including the recent one with BAC and the acquisition of Sanctuary. Can you talk about how you see the overall ecosystem evolving and what ways MasterCard can participate here in the growth of crypto and potentially CBDC when they become live? Thank you.
spk09: Yes, Sahar, she does. So always an exciting topic. And we could not have an earnings call without talking about crypto. So I'm happy you brought it up. Looking at this from a number of perspectives, other than that there's a lot going on in the space, we are pretty clear on how we want to play in this. So the first is we see significant volumes in terms of people actually investing in crypto and selling crypto. So as an asset class, there's a lot going on. And I think we have a role to play to facilitate consumers wanting to do that, if that's what they choose to do. So these partnership programs on exchanges, crypto exchanges and wallet partners and so forth, have been quite important for us, and that is good from a volume perspective. There's real activity. When it comes to crypto as a payment tool, then we take a somewhat differentiated view on that versus that we just step into that. We're saying at this point in time, the most likely chance of this kind of technology to work for payments is if it's issued through a government in the form of central bank digital currency. We've said that on a couple of calls before, and we said we will make our network ready to do that as and when a government is ready to put out a central bank digital currency and that it will exist alongside the dollar or the euro as a settlement currency in our network. So we've done that. But, you know, that's easily said. How will the government test that? How will a country figure out between the private sector banks and the government how to do this You know, that's where our sandbox comes in so we can provide a safe space for government and private sector banks to figure out how that would actually work. Questions like the last mile, how do you bring utility into the hand of your citizens if you put out a central bank digital currency, acceptance questions, and so forth. So facilitating investments. As an asset class, we do that, and we get ready for CBDC. Should there be a private sector stablecoin, we might also do that, but we have very strict principles on when to do this and when not. Let me talk about ciphertrades for a moment, because this space is a really interesting space in so many ways. Questions on data privacy, questions on authentication, we just touched on that in the context of Europe and strong customer authentication. You have to expect the Europeans will say, well, strong customer authentication will, of course, play a role in crypto transactions as well, which is where we always lead with security and trust. I mean, that is really synonymous with the name of MasterCard when it comes to payments. that we have to do the same role. So it's massive services opportunity. CypherTrace, 900 cryptocurrencies. What does CypherTrace actually do? They drive compliance and AML checks into crypto transactions. We can't run fast enough right now to get into this space because a lot of other people are deep into crypto and these questions are not resolved. So asset class, CBDCs and a services opportunity, those are the three ways that we feel we want to play and we need to play and we have the differentiated assets to do so.
spk06: Thanks, Michael. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Dulles from Mutsuho. Please proceed with your question.
spk08: Hey, thanks for taking my question, Michael. Hello. So, hey, so, you know, how do, you know, the new offering by Plaid with the acquirers or, you know, any of that sort of potential disruption there impacting MasterCard and the networks in general? What is the kind of general strategy around it? We're getting a lot of calls on this topic. Thank you.
spk09: All right. All right. Dan, so I think I touched a little bit on an earlier question that we had on this topic. So here's a blog post that describes account-to-account. We have account-to-account technology really since the acquisition of Vocalink, and we've learned how that works. We like it because it's an additional choice that is provided to consumers and to merchants. But we also have all the learnings, and the learnings go around like how do you create acceptance into that? How do you make it easy for a merchant? How do you actually convince a consumer that actually likes a card proposition? So all of that, you know, it is about standing up an ecosystem. So, you know, what we believe is this should be something that is built into our network, into our multi-rail capabilities, and that's actually how we're approaching it. So we're leaning into this. I don't see it as a disruption. That's been our stated strategy. And we have five years of learnings, and I think that puts us ahead of the curve to make this a reality. I think this is an interesting alternative when it comes to consumer payments in-store. And we have it. We build it. It's for us to really figure out where do the economics settle, what other capabilities that are currently built into our card franchise can we extend into the world of account-to-account payments, for example, chargebacks, those kind of data protections, and so forth. So that's the direction that we're taking. Not really a disintermediation question. An interesting blog. Good things we've done in reality.
spk10: Yeah, and I'll just add to that. We've got to remember, right, there's a sizable TAM out there, and a fair amount of that TAM is likely not going to be able to be reached by car products. This is where our multi-rail... philosophy and strategy as well as our ability to provide choice across various rails, one of which would be an open banking rail used for payment services. It's very helpful because it helps open up the TAM which is available to us from what used to be primarily card focused to much more than card focused. And we do see that opportunity come through here in open banking as well.
spk06: Our next question comes from the line of Bob Napoli from William Blair. Please proceed with your question.
spk05: uh thank you and good morning uh follow up on on the cross-border business and obviously a very important business for uh for mastercard as you look at that business and uh as we get to full recovery do you think that the the economics of that business will be similar to what they were prior to the pandemic uh i mean is the ad the continued development of blockchain and other technologies or account to account, is that going to pressure the economics of that business?
spk10: Sure, Bob. Why did I take that? So, look, I mean, the value prop we used to deliver through cross-border payments on our carded products pre-pandemic and post-pandemic is exactly the same. So we don't expect that the economic returns which they will generate should be any different, given that the value we delivered previously many days has only gotten better over a period of time with more electronification of flows taking place. To your point around several other account-to-account capabilities which are there in the cross-border space, the reality is we're participating in them today, but it happened to be going after flows which are not carded flows. They're not point-of-sale flows. They happen to be more in the nature of business-to-business payments. We do that with our – you'll remember we acquired a company called TransFast. In addition to the fact that we have our capabilities from Homestand, the combined Capability of that is our cross-border send capabilities, which is account-to-account cross-border payments. And, you know, we'll participate in those flows, but those are separate and distinct from what goes on at the point of sale with our card products today. So, net-net, I kind of view the whole cross-border space as a positive for us as and when travel comes back from a card standpoint. And in the meantime, we continue to actually flag flags in different parts of the world with the reach we've established on our B2B flows from a cross-border standpoint.
spk05: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
spk06: Our next question comes from the line of Jason Kupferberg from Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
spk04: Good morning, guys. Just a follow-up on cross-border. I guess in the third quarter, the volume growth ex-entry Europe was 60%. It was, again, a very, very good proxy for the overall cross-border revenue growth. in the quarter. So now if we just look at October month-to-date trends, if those hold hypothetically through the rest of Q4, it would seem like cross-border revenue growth could again be around 60% this quarter. And arguably, that would be even before most of the potential benefits of the U.S. reopening kicks in. So is all that a fair characterization? Are there other moving parts that should we be aware of? And can you just comment on which cross-border corridors are the highest yielding in your system?
spk10: Yeah, so I think the answer to the first part of your question, I think you kind of touched upon in the second part of your question, which talked about how revenues are realized on cross-border is very much a function, even in that extreme intra-Europe kind of, you know, category, will depend on every corridor. Every corridor has got, you know, different... And, you know, depending on which ones come back first, which ones come back after, you know, the numbers from a cross-border revenue standpoint will kind of move around. As it relates to what we're seeing, look, I mean, I'll tell you, pre-pandemic, you know, important corridors for MasterCard included, obviously, U.S. to Canada, the U.S. to the U.K., you know, the U.K. to various parts in continental Europe. These are all very important corridors. We've seen intra-Europe come back pretty nicely. The U.S. inbound is still to happen. I mean, there's a little bit of happening, but there's more to come as borders open. Canada has started to open up. As you know, Canada opened up in the third quarter. We've seen signs of recovery take place in terms of inbound into Canada as well. And these are important corners for us. for our business. You know, the one area which I will say is still a little bit kind of yet to be seen is Asia Pacific, right? In Asia Pacific, recovery and cross-border has still been kind of somewhat muted. We'll see how borders open up there and what that kind of shapes up to be. But next, then, here's what I tell you from a yield standpoint. Intra-Europe, low yielding. Ex-intra-Europe, high yielding. In the ex-intra-Europe bucket, the yields vary by corridors.
spk02: Jamaria, I think we have time for one last question.
spk06: Our next question will come from Sanjay Sakrani from KBW. Please proceed with your question.
spk09: Thanks. Good morning. I think Michael mentioned the waning impact of U.S. stimulus, and we've seen the U.S.
spk12: volume sort of stabilize here in terms of the growth. I'm just curious how you guys feel about the other side, which is credit rebounding.
spk09: And I'm just thinking through the economic impact as lending comes back, lending-related volumes come back. Thanks. Yeah, Sanjeev, let me just start on the rebound of credit. Back to, you know, changing on how people spend. You start to see, you know, more in-person, and more in-person certainly includes T&E discretionary. Those are all use cases that are very much oriented towards credit. So that is what is driving that. You know, the impact of stimulus on the debit side, we still see an elevated use of, you know, sustained use of debit going forward. So it's not a zero-sum game yet again. It's balancing out in a way that one is coming back and the other remains elevated. It really comes down to the size of the available wallet that consumers have, you know, such as you have in the other countries.
spk10: It's interesting, if you take us back to a couple of quarters ago, maybe three or four quarters ago, we talked about the same question as to what our views around credit and debit mix is going to look like. And we had kind of maintained that we think that there will be a revulsion to the mean as economies come back and as discretionary spending picks up. And that's exactly what you're seeing right now, right? I mean, as people are spending more in discretionary categories, and travel, restaurants, you know, credit is definitely coming right back to top of wallet. And we expect that as the economy continues to recover in different parts of the globe, that promotion to the mean will continue. And that's kind of our view as it relates to how credit plays out over, you know, over the near to medium term.
spk09: All righty. Good. Thanks, everybody. Thank you for your questions. We are going to close the call now. I hope to see you at the investor community meeting. Generally on these calls, it's not only the analyst community listening, the investor community, it's also our staff. So I want to thank our staff for everything they have done through this quarter. Again, it feels like a bit of like a marathon as we turn out of COVID. See you at the ICM. Please do tune in. Thank you very much, everybody. Bye-bye. Thank you.
spk06: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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