Markel Group Inc.

Good morning and welcome to the Markel Corporation first quarter 2022 conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. During the call today, we may make forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. They are based on current assumptions and opinions concerning a variety of known and unknown risks. Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or suggested by such forward looking statements. Additional information about factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projected from those projected in the forward-looking statements is included in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q, including under the captions Risk Factors and Safe Harbor and Cautionary Statement. We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures in the call today. You may find the most directly comparable GAAP measures and a reconciliation to GAAP for these measures in our most recent Form 10-Q. Our Form 10-K and Form 10-Q can be found on our website at www.markell.com in the For Investors section. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tom Gaynor, Co-Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Andrea. Good morning. This is indeed Tom Gaynor, and it is my pleasure to welcome you to the first quarter of Markell Corporation Conference Call. I'm joined today by our co-CEO, Richie Witt. and our CFO, Jeremy Noble. As always, our objective is to share the news from our most recent financial statements, and more importantly, answer any questions you might have about Martell and the circumstances of your company. We always look forward to your thoughtful questions. In addition to this call, we've got two other events coming up that I offer up as chances to spend meaningful time with management. First, This weekend, we'll be heading back to Omaha to attend the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting, as we've done for decades. We'll be hosting our annual Sunday brunch at 10 a.m. at the Marriott next to the Convention Center, and if you can join us, we'd love to see you. We take questions for a couple hours that day, and we absolutely love the chance to spend time with fellow long-term investors in Omaha during Berkshire weekend. Second, the Markell annual meeting will be at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, May 11th at the Virginia Credit Union Live Concert Arena at the Richmond Raceway. We invite you all to attend, and we'd welcome the chance to spend time with you at our upcoming annual meeting. As to the financial results of the first quarter, I'm very pleased with our performance, and I hope you share our sense of accomplishment and optimism. The first quarter is a short 90-day view of Markell. We enjoy three engines of insurance, Markel Ventures, and investments. While it is lovely when all three engines provide positive thrust, Markel is designed to succeed even if not all three are firing. In one dimension, i.e., that of the last 90 days, you can accurately say that only two of our three engines fired. That is correct, since in the first quarter, we earned excellent returns in our insurance and ventures operations, but experience negative mark-to-market swings in our investment portfolio. If I put myself in your shoes as an owner of Markel, though, here is what I would expect over time. There should be no surprises to you in our insurance operations when we report the results of any one quarter. You, as observers of the world, can know through regularly reported news whether major loss events like natural catastrophes, pandemics, wars, wildfires, tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, or other big events took place or not. Given what you already know from general awareness of the news, I suspect you as reasonably informed and thoughtful owners would have some sense of how our insurance operations might perform. Richie will give you more details in a minute, but I'm pleased to be able to report to you that we enjoyed excellent results in our insurance operations, and I don't think we're reporting anything that should surprise you. Similarly, in our ventures operations, we've put together a diversified and robust set of businesses that have demonstrated their excellence for many years and through incredibly varied conditions, including the pandemic, supply chain issues, inflation, trade tensions, technological change, and all those factors I listed when I was talking about insurance. I'm pleased to report ongoing meaningful growth and profitability for Markel Ventures as we begin 2022. Jeremy will give you the numbers in just a minute. Finally, while the first 90 days saw mark-to-mark declines in our publicly traded portfolio of stocks and bonds, I think you as investors would agree that we are likely to regularly experience the most reported volatility with our investment engine as compared to the others. Given that reality, longer-term measurements matter way more than those of any given quarter. We regularly measure things in five-year time increments, including how we calculate incentive compensation for senior management, and I thought it might be helpful to take a quick glance at what the investment engine produced over the last five years as opposed to the last 90 days. On March 31, 2017, our equity portfolio stood at roughly $5 billion. Five years later, it stands at $8.7 billion, an increase of 74%. On March 31, 2017, our equity portfolio had an unrealized gain of roughly $2.5 billion. Five years later, it stands at $5.8 billion, an increase of 132% over that time. On March 31, 2017, each share of Markel sold for $978. Five years later, each share sold for $1,492, an increase of 53%. Those last five years included the pandemic, wildfires, tsunamis, and just about any other challenge you could imagine or even ones you couldn't imagine. While we necessarily report quarterly financial results as a publicly traded company, we think about and manage Markel over much longer timeframes. Financially, we tie our compensation of senior management to five-year rolling results, and in reality, we think in even longer timeframes such as decades and generations as we run this business. With that as a preamble, I'd now like to turn things over to Jeremy to provide you with the details from the first quarter.

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. Tom mentioned the first quarter of 2022 highlights the benefits that come from our diversified three-engine architecture at Markel. Volatility within the public equity markets and the effects of rising interest rates on our bond portfolio, while weighing down our investment returns during the quarter, were somewhat mitigated by strong operating results within our insurance and Markel Ventures operations. Looking at our underwriting results, gross written premiums were $2.5 billion for the first quarter of 2022, compared to $2.2 billion in 2021, an increase of 16%. Our increased premium volume reflects new business volume, more favorable rates, and expanded product offerings across many of our product lines, with the most notable growth coming from our professional liability and general liability product lines in both our insurance and reinsurance segments. Retention of gross written premiums was 86% in 2022, which is down one point from the same period last year. Our consolidated combined ratio for the first quarter of 2022 was an 89, which included $35 million, or two points, of net losses and loss adjustment expenses, and $12.3 million of seeded reinstatement premiums attributed to the Russia-Ukraine conflict. This compares to a 94 combined ratio for the same period last year, which included $64 million, or four points, of losses attributable to winter storm URI, and $19 million, or one point, of adverse development arising from a change in our estimate of COVID-19 ultimate losses a year ago. Excluding these loss impacts from both years, our consolidated combined ratio for the first quarter of 2022 was an 87 compared to an 88 the same period of 2021. This improvement reflects a lower attritional loss ratio within our insurance segment and a lower expense ratio, partially offset by less favorable development on prior year loss reserves. Higher earned premiums in 2022 compared to 2021 had a favorable impact on our expense ratio and an unfavorable impact on our prior accident years loss ratio. With regards to prior year loss reserve development, prior year loss reserves developed favorably by $96 million in the first quarter of this year compared to $91 million in the first quarter of last year. Turning to our investment results, net investment losses were $358 million in the first quarter of 2022 and were primarily attributable to a decrease in the fair value of our equity portfolio driven by unfavorable market value movements. This compares to net investment gains of $527 million in the first quarter of 2021 attributable to an increase in the fair value of our equity portfolio driven by favorable market value movements. As I've mentioned in prior calls, given our long-term focus, variability in the timing of investment gains and losses is to be expected, and we typically measure investment returns over longer periods of time. With regards to net investment income, we reported $73 million in the first quarter of 2022 compared to $97 million in the same period last year. The decrease this quarter reflects the impact of losses recognized on equity method investments, in the first quarter of this year, most notably our investment in Hagerty. Net investment income on our fixed maturities in 2022 was consistent with 2021, as the impact of higher average holdings of fixed maturities in 2022 was largely offset by lower yields compared to the same period a year ago. As a reminder, for accounting purposes, we are deemed to have the ability to exercise significant influence over Hagerty and therefore account for our investment in Hagerty under the equity method rather than at fair value. As of March 31st, 2022, the carrying value of our investment in Hagerty was $239 million, which was included in other assets on the consolidated balance sheet. As of March 31st, 2022, the estimated value of our investment based on the closing stock price of Hagerty's Class A common shares was approximately $840 million. Net unrealized investment gains decreased $476 million net of taxes during the first quarter of this year reflecting a decline in the fair value of our fixed maturity portfolio, resulting from increases in interest rates during the first quarter. As a reminder, we tend to hold substantially all of our fixed maturities until they mature. Now I'll cover the results of our Markel Ventures segment. Revenues from Markel Ventures increased 35% to $950 million in the first quarter of 2022, compared to $707 million for the comparable quarter last year. This increase reflects the contribution of revenues from our December 2021 acquisition of Metromon and August 2021 acquisition of Buckner, as well as strong organic growth across many of our other businesses. EBITDA from Markel Ventures was $96 million in the first quarter of 2022, compared to $81 million during the same period last year. The increase reflects higher revenues and improved operating results at our construction services and consulting services businesses, as well as a contribution from Metromon. As a reminder, EBITDA in the first quarter of 2021 included a pre-tax disposition gain of $22 million in connection with the sale of a portion of one of our healthcare businesses. Looking at our consolidated results for the quarter, our effective tax rate for the first quarter was 27%, which results having a relatively small pre-tax loss during the period. The estimated annual effective tax rate was 21% in the first quarter of both 2021 and 2022. We reported a net loss to common shareholders of $53 million in the first quarter of 2022 compared to net income to common shareholders of $574 million in the same period a year ago, largely attributed to the year-over-year swing in changes to our public equity portfolio evaluation. Comprehensive loss to shareholders for the first quarter of 2022 was $529 million compared to comprehensive income to shareholders of $359 million in the first quarter a year ago. again, driven by both fixed maturity and public equity valuations. Finally, I'll highlight a few transactions in the period and make a few comments on cash flows capital in our balance sheet. First, in March of this year, we completed the previously announced buyout transaction related to Markel CatCo, accelerating the return of all remaining trapped capital to investors in the Markel CatCo funds. Under the terms of the transaction, we provided cash funding of $45 million to purchase substantially all of Markel CatCo funds investments in Markel CatCo RE, which at present we anticipate being returned to us in time as remaining trust fund collateral is released. We also made $102 million in additional payments, net of insurance proceeds, to or for the benefit of investors in exchange for releases of all claims related to the transaction, the CatCo businesses, and investors' investments in the funds, including any pending litigation, which was recognized as an expense during the first quarter of 2022. We expect that the remaining runoff of CADCO will have minimal effect on our future results. Second, within our Nafila ILS operations, there were two transactions worth touching upon. In February 2022, we sold the majority of our controlling interest in our Velocity Managing General Agent operations for total cash consideration of $181 million, which resulted in a gain of $107 million. We continue to have a minority interest in Velocity after the sale, Velocity will continue to be a source of risk origination for our Nafila fund management operations. In March 2022, we entered into a definitive agreement to sell our controlling interest in our Volante managing general agent operations. This transaction is expected to close later this year in the third quarter and is subject to regulatory approvals and customary closing conditions. Following the disposition of Nafila's Volante operations, our Nafila ILS operations will be solely comprised of its core fund management operations. Turning to cash flows, net cash provided by operating activities was $415 million for the first quarter of 2022, compared to $318 million for the first quarter of last year. Operating cash flows in the first quarter of 2022 reflected strong cash flows from our underwriting operations, given the growth in premium volume. Total shareholders' equities stood at $14.1 billion at the end of March, compared to $14.7 billion at the end of the year. During the quarter, we repurchased 63,000 shares of our stock under our outstanding share repurchase program. All in all, we are pleased with the start of the year, particularly with the strong results in our insurance and Markel Ventures operations. We remain committed to building shareholder value over time. We believe we continue to advance this effort in the first quarter. With that, I'll turn it over to Richie to talk more about our insurance business.

Thanks, Jeremy, and good morning, everyone. I'm excited today to discuss with you our insurance engine's first quarter results. Obviously, it's only 90 days into the year, but we are off to a strong start to the year. Many of the trends that we discussed throughout last year continued in the first quarter. The pricing environment continues to hold up well, and organic growth remains strong. As Jeremy said, we achieved an 89% combined ratio for the period, despite two points of losses from the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Business production continues to be robust, with 16% growth in our underwriting operations, with growth in premium surpassing $2.5 billion for the quarter, and that's the first time we've done that, and 17% growth within our program services operations. While we continue to benefit from a favorable pricing environment, we are also seeing new business growth across most of our product lines, in particular within our professional and general liability products. As Jeremy mentioned, we also had an active quarter in the ILS space, completing the sale of our majority interest in the Velocity MGA operations and announcing the sale of our Volante MGA operations. which we expect to close sometime later this year. Both of these transactions unlock significant value from our NIFILA acquisition in 2018 and also allow NIFILA to devote full attention to the opportunities they see in the CAT arena right now. Now I'll discuss our first quarter results within our insurance engine, which include our underwriting operations, state national program services operations, and Nafila InsuranceLink Securities Operations. So I'll kick it off with the insurance segment. Gross written premiums in the insurance segment were up 19% in the quarter, with just under $2 billion in premium writings, while earned premiums were up 16% for the period. We saw double-digit growth rates across all of our major product lines, in particular within the professional liability and general liability product lines, where we have identified new business opportunities in both our domestic and international operations and have benefited from new program opportunities. We continue to benefit from favorable rating environment within most of our insurance product lines, although rate increases achieved continue to gradually moderate. The combined ratio for the quarter in the insurance segment was 87% compared to 91 last year. The current year combined ratio included 20 million or one point of net losses related to the Russian-Ukraine conflict versus 39 million or three points of net losses last year related to winter storm Uri. Excluding the impact from these events, the combined ratio decreased by just over one point due to a two-point decrease in our attritional loss ratio across several product lines reflecting the impact from rising rates and our ability to write more premium in our preferred product classes. This was partially offset by a decrease in favorable development from prior accident years losses in the quarter. Higher earned premiums have a favorable impact on our expense ratio and an unfavorable impact on our prior accident years loss ratio. So next I'll talk about the reinsurance segment. Gross written premium within the reinsurance segment were up 8% for the quarter, while earned premiums were up 12%. Premium growth was driven by higher premiums in our general liability and professional liability lines from both new business and higher renewals due in part to more favorable rates along with the impact from favorable premium adjustments within our credit and surety, professional liability, and general liability product lines. This growth was partially offset by lower premiums in our property and workers' compensation lines. Our property lines continue to run off as part of our exit strategy with the transition of our reinsurance property lines to Nafila and the decision to discontinue writing retro property business within our underwriting operations. As of the end of the first quarter, in terms of reinsurance property, we are fully off risk at this point. The reduction in workers' compensation was due to the non-renewal of one large quota share treaty. The combined ratio for the period in the reinsurance segment was 95% compared to 109 a year ago. The current year combined ratio included 15 million, or five points, of net losses from the Russia-Ukraine conflict compared to 25 million, or 10 points, of losses last year related to winter storm URIs. Last year, the segment was also impacted by adverse development of 19 million related to losses from COVID-19. Excluding the impact from these events, the reinsurance segment combined ratio decreased two points due to lower adverse development of prior accident user losses, partially offset by a slightly higher current accident year attritional loss ratio. The segment had modest adverse loss development this quarter, driven entirely by the impact from favorable prior year premium adjustments, offset in part by favorable loss development in our property product lines. The current accident year attritional loss ratio increased due to mix of business, since our discontinued property lines carried a lower attritional loss ratio partially offset by decreases this year in attritional loss ratio within our general liability and general liability lines. Next, I'll touch on program services and other fronting operations and our ILS operations, both of which are reported as part of our other operations. So, as a reminder, almost all of the gross written premium from our program services and other fronting operations is seeded. Our program services and other fronting operations continue their strong performance with program services producing $706 million in premiums during the period and total revenues from fronting operations of $34 million with continued strong profit margins. Our ILS operations consist entirely of NIFILA operations going forward. Operating revenues were flat last year with higher revenues at our Volante MGA operations offset by lower revenues at the Velocity MGA operations due to the sale of that unit in February. While Velocity will continue to partner with and produce significant premiums in support of NIFILA funds, post-sale, the MGA's commission revenues obviously will no longer be included in NIFILA's results. The fill of assets under management within the fund management operations were $8.6 billion as of March 31st, 22. I'll finish up with a few comments about market conditions and obviously happy to answer any questions during Q&A. As I said earlier in my comments, trends continue largely in line with what we discussed at year end. Rates have held up well and organic growth has remained solid. rate increases continue to gradually moderate, but have held up better than we would have predicted a quarter or two ago. I believe that uncertainty around inflation, both economic and social, financial market volatility, including interest rate increases, recession concerns, and the Russian-Ukraine conflict have all played some role in supporting continued underwriting discipline in the market. There continues to be much discussion in the industry around inflation and its impact on claims cost. As you would expect, I think, we are baking more claims inflation into both our pricing and reserving, and believe rate increases remain ahead of claims inflation. We'll be watching each of our over 100 specialty lines very closely, and we'll adjust underwriting and pricing strategies as needed to maintain profitability. Bottom line, we're right where we want to be at the end of the first quarter. And I got to tell you, that feels great considering where we stood at the end of the first quarter in 2020 with COVID-19 and at the end of the first quarter in 2021 with winter storm Uri. Even better, however, we're really excited about the opportunities for the rest of the year. Thanks for your time today. And now I'll turn things over to Tom.

Thank you, Richie. The people of Markel Ventures continue to make me grateful and amazed. Their absolute dedication to their customers and to their colleagues continues to show up month after month, quarter after quarter, and year after year. Today's numbers that Jeremy shared speak volumes as to how the human values of Markel continue to manifest themselves in our financial results. The current environment remains challenging in finding people and supplies but our managers continue to demonstrate their resilience and creativity. I find their results to be inspiring. On the acquisition front and adding new businesses to Markel Ventures, we continue to see elevated prices as a general statement. As such, I would not expect to add a new platform to Markel Ventures this year. For reference, I thought the same thing during the first quarter of the last several years. Despite that, attractive situations came up, and we added wonderful businesses in each of the last several years. We'll see how 2022 develops. Our managers and CEOs running the Markel Ventures businesses also continue to pursue opportunities to add to our existing businesses, and I would expect some fruitful developments as a consequence. Also, fortunately, our existing array of businesses continue to perform well, generate cash, grow, and provide resilience and diversification to Markel. In our investment operations, the change in the value of our fixed income portfolio was due entirely to the increase in the overall level of interest rates. There were no credit losses in the portfolio, and that continues a multi-year record of pristine results from fixed income. Reinvestment rates on maturities and current cash flows continue to increase, and that should yield increases in recurring investment income in upcoming quarters. We generally hold our fixed income securities to maturity, and unrealized gains or losses all tend to revert back to zero in the fullness of time. In our equity portfolio, our ratio of publicly traded equities to our shareholders' equity stood at 61% at the end of the first quarter. That's a conservative ratio. Given our insurance profitability, capital position, venture's profitability, durability of recurring investment income, and attractive purchase prices, we are continuing to buy common stocks and repurchase our own stock. We are also ready, willing, and able to consider attractive acquisitions in the insurance or ventures worlds. I'd like to thank you again for your ongoing commitment to Markel. We can't build one of the world's great companies without fellow long-term owners who have the same goal. We believe that our win-win-win architecture of serving our customers and our fellow employees creates wonderful returns for our shareholders as well. We're delighted to connect with you to update you following these first quarter results, and we look forward to seeing you at one of our upcoming events shortly. With that, Andrea, if you would be so kind as to open the floor for questions.

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And our first question will come from Jeff Schmidt of William Blair. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Could you talk about the loss environment? What do you see loss cost trends running at? And then any detail that you could provide on maybe the components, how much is related to social inflation versus CPI inflation? And I know social inflation can be tough to sort of isolate, but just curious, has CPI inflation sort of taken over or is that additive on loss costs? How are they running now?

Jeff, this is Richie. I'll take a shot and I'll see if Jeremy or Tom want to add in. I think you got to start with recognizing that you're not seeing much in terms of the data at this point. When we talk to our claims folks, they're really not seeing a whole lot of claims inflation showing up in our numbers yet. However, You know, we know with all the things that are going on out in the environment, both CPI inflation, you know, litigation finance, you know, tort, the erosion of tort reform over the years, we know that claims inflation is running higher than it historically has. I can't give you a precise number, and obviously we write, as I said earlier, on the order of 100 different lines of business, and so it would be different in each of those lines of business. But I do think it's more than what we've historically seen. But I still believe when you look at the rate increases that we're still achieving, we're in the high single digits in terms of rate increases. I still believe there's a margin on that versus what claims inflation is running at right now.

Got it. Got it. Okay. And then on the competitive environment, um, obviously it's holding up really well. You know, I guess, are you, are you surprised that it's this disciplined after probably called three years? You know, some people have gotten 30 plus percent cumulative rate increase. They're still holding up. I understand the cost pressures, whether it's been tough, interest rates are low. But are you surprised, or are you starting to see some competitors start to get more aggressive on price, on terms and conditions? Are you seeing any indication of that, or is it staying pretty rational?

I would say it is staying pretty rational. But yes, I mean, clearly we are seeing more competition as the rate of increase has decelerated. So, you know, I think some of the new entrants, both company and MGA, I think they've had some impacts on the margin. I do think after, you know, three and in some cases four years of rate increases, people's assessment of rate adequacy changes, and so their appetite changes. So, you know, this market, you know, the cycle is no different than past cycles. You know, we are probably past the peak of this cycle, but it is coming off very gradually. And I think I said in my comments, probably more gradually than I would have predicted a few quarters ago. And I think it's some of the things that have been developing, you know, the war, inflation, interest rates, you name it. I think there's enough things out there that give people pause. And so, you know, it has been a very gradual process. gentle glide on the rates as opposed to maybe something faster that I might have predicted a few quarters ago.

That's helpful. If I could just one last one on the fixed income securities. I wonder if you could discuss your philosophy there. They're all, you know, they're held as available to sale. You're saying you hold the maturity anyway, though. I'm just wondering if there's any contemplating any changes to that strategy in this rising interest rate environment. I mean, can you switch those to hold the maturity and not have the mark-to-market changes, or what are your thoughts on that?

Well, it's like Abraham Lincoln once said, how many legs does a dog have if you call a tail a leg? The answer is four. So calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg. Whether the accounting system terms of available for sale or held in maturity, whichever one you use, the mark-to-market value is a real economic number that's out there, and we think about things in real economic terms. So we really don't expect to have any changes in what we're doing or the way that we label the accounting. Now, there's another sort of accounting nuance that's very important to remember is that the philosophy on fixed income is that we buy fixed income to match against the reserves of what we expect to pay out in claims and expenses of running the business. And the reason we buy fixed income securities that have a duration of between four and five years is because that matches the duration of what we expect to pay out the claims of them. So when interest rates rise and you see a mark-to-market decrease in the fixed income portfolio, if you were really doing the net present value of the reserves, you would see an equal and offsetting reduction in the amount of the reserves. Now, as an accounting matter, we don't discount our reserves to their net present value. So economically, what we're doing is we're hedging and matching and saying straight up either way, because one of the things that we fully believe is that we have no idea how to predict accurately what interest rates are going to do. So either way, whether they go up or whether they go down, we're hedged, we're matched, we're making a spread of return between the positive yields on a bond portfolio and the negative cost of float that we get through underwriting profitability. And as long as we keep that spread positive number, things add up to the good over time.

Okay. Very helpful. Thanks for the answers. Thank you.

The next question comes from Mark Hughes of Truist. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thank you. Good morning.

Good morning. Hey, Mark.

The cat losses were pretty low in the quarter. Couldn't get much lower. How much, other than the Russia-Ukraine, but how much is that your underwriting versus the backdrop, just a more favorable cat backdrop in one queue? And any thoughts on kind of implications when we think about future trajectory on cat losses? Is this signaling something important to us?

It was a relatively light first quarter in terms of cats, Mark, excluding Russia-Ukraine. And, you know, so I would say it's a combination. I would say it was a relatively light first quarter in terms of where we write cat exposed businesses. But also, I mean, I think it is showing up, the fact that we have been de-risking in terms of CAT over the last several years. And so, you know, whereas we would have budgeted probably three or so points of CAT losses the last year or two, you know, our budget for CAT losses in 22, I think, is around 1%. Is that right, Jeremy? Yeah. So it's a combination of both. A relatively light first quarter and the fact that we have been diligently working to reduce cat exposure in the portfolio. So that's that.

Hey Mark, it's Jeremy. I might just add one other point. We typically only call out large significant named events within our cat. we don't tend to sort of get all that sort of cat activity and disclose that when there's smaller amounts. So there's always a little bit of, if you will, almost like a traditional cat that we sort of embed in our underlying results. But then to Richie's point, you know, our model to average annual losses have come down significantly in recent years as we've addressed reducing the volatility in our focus associated with catastrophes.

Yeah, that's helpful. Thank you. And then on the expense ratio, any one-time gains? benefits in the quarter, or was that just efficiency and leverage?

Yeah, it's more, Jeremy, again, it's more efficiency and leverage, right? We continue to enjoy growth, significant growth on the top line, and we're able to sort of not see the direct and controllable expenses on that base grow at the same rate. So we continue to benefit in that way. So nothing significant besides that that would really call out.

Yeah. I think you've touched on this, but kind of your latest thoughts around the workers' comp market, you non-renewed a treaty, I think, in the reinsurance book. How are you looking at that business, both on the primary and reinsurance?

Yeah, the market, that is the one part of the market that has resisted pardoning, and rates have continued to gently drift down, you know, 2%, 3%. As a result, we still think there's margin in the primary side of the business, and so we continue to write business there, but we recognize that the margin is smaller in workers' comp right now. When we got to looking at that reinsurance deal with the cumulative rate decreases that have happened over the last few years, we didn't believe it stacked up, and so we stepped away.

When you say the margin is smaller, are you thinking relative to other lines that you're writing, your preferred categories, or are you talking about relative to what you might have written in comp last year or the year before?

Right, relative to workers' comp over the last few years. Workers' comp has been a great line of business for several years now, which, you know, that helps explain why people have been competitive in it. There have been good results, but You know, I just wouldn't expect the kinds of results we've enjoyed in workers' comp over the last several years in the next few years unless something changes in terms of the pricing dynamic.

Thank you.

Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star, then 1. And our next question will come from Mark Dwell of RBC. Please go ahead.

Yeah, good morning. A few questions. First, maybe for Jeremy. On the Hagerty mark-to-market, I guess, for the equity investment accounting, is there a way that you can help us understand kind of how to track that number? I mean, I knew that Hagerty shares had declined in the quarter, and so I expected there would be some adjustment for that. But the amount that you adjusted by was, different in both percentage terms and obviously in dollar terms than what the stock price performance was. So is there a way that we can kind of think about that or get our arms around it?

Sure, Mark. I'll take a stab at that and Rich or Tom can join in as well. With regards to where we provide what the approximation to the fair value might be based on the traded A shares, you can rough, rough, rough think of Markel having about 23% ownership in Hagerty. And so just think of that in terms of their sort of market capitalization at a certain point in time. That's a little bit of that fair value proxy. As far as what's recorded in our books, it's more a function of... We generally hold our... We do have to record that, however, on a quarter lag because obviously Hagerty is a publicly traded company. We don't have access to the information on time. It's not significant period over period. So just thinking of the relationship between the two figures that we report on and a little bit of how to think about that sort of fair value proxy that we put in. It's probably worth talking about the warrants.

and how they impact.

Yeah, sure. So one of the things that will create a little bit of underlying volatility with regards to our held, so what we hold on the actual Markell balance sheet and other assets, we'll see a little bit of volatility relative to the mark-to-market that Hagerty has relative to their warrants. So if you think of the warrant activity because of the move in the Hagerty stock price through the end of the year, that would create sort of a liability and an expense, but we reflected it as part of the reduction we would have seen at 3.31 versus 12.31. So that creates a little bit more volatility. As a kind of more of a one-off, they also, in their year-end results, would have had the transaction costs associated with going public. But that's really a one-time event.

So the primary thing that we're picking up there is their earnings results. It's not really the movement in the stock price.

That's right. What would be the whole... What we hold on the balance sheet is just a function of our proportionate share of their underlying earnings and any other capital transactions. But it's not the movement in the fair value of their stock.

Got it. That's very helpful. Second question, this one's maybe for Tom or Jeremy. Could you just provide, you talked already at length about kind of how you think about your investment portfolio and duration matching and so forth. Could you just provide a couple of, you know, maybe general statistics in terms of what the portfolio duration is right now, kind of what the book yield is and where new money yields are relative to that?

Yeah, I don't have precise numbers at my fingertips, but the duration would be roughly four and a quarter, four and a third, something like that. new money rates are a little bit higher than what the existing yields are. So when we are investing new money, we are at the point over the last couple of months with rates having gone up that the new money investment rates are higher than the embedded yield.

Okay. Yeah, that's fine. The other question I had, obviously you've sold the Volante and Velocity over the last couple quarters here. Could you just talk about strategically why it's better to be out of those as compared to retaining them? They don't have a lot of capital associated with them, and they seem to make money. So I guess the question would be why not keep them as compared to realize – you know, a little bit of cash flow at the moment.

Sure, Mark. Well, both of those organizations were acquired, obviously, as part of the Nafila acquisition. And they were investments, quite honestly, that Nafila had made in those two operations. We looked at it two ways. In both cases, management... had head ownership, had partial ownership of those businesses. They had an interest in realizing the value of those organizations at some point. That had been sort of memorialized through the deals that Nafilo put together with management in both cases. You know, we wanted to be fair to the management of those two operations and allow them to realize part of the value that they had created there. Obviously, we were able to unlock significant value for Nafila and Markel Corporation. And honestly, great businesses, great people, but there is quite a bit of time that is spent in terms of managing those operations. that now we can fully devote to the core business, which is, you know, fund management for cat risk and climate risk. And we think the opportunity right now in the cat arena is significant. And so, all of those things play into it, but really just getting super focused on our core business is probably the driver.

Okay, that's helpful. And then one last question, if I may. In terms of the Russian Ukraine exposures, I mean, you had reasonably good disclosure of that in the queue. But could you just talk about in terms of how many, you know, it'd probably be in fairly broad terms. I mean, do you have considerable more exposure that could arise there? Or have you already been impacted on most of the accounts or transactions that you would expect to be impacted? I'm trying to get a sense of how much of this is the tip of the iceberg and how much of it is the whole iceberg.

To be just blunt, Mark, we have very little information at this point coming out of the conflict. Obviously, as we all know, the war is still ongoing and And so it's not like you're able to send adjusters in and see what the status is on the ground. So, you know, we tried to make a good faith estimate of what could potentially be our exposure. I would tell you what we've put up, it is 100% IVNR at this point. and really sort of thinking about what our net retentions could be and how our reinsurance worked, trying to put up something that we felt like was a very, you know, best estimate of what could happen. Obviously, the longer it goes on, you know, both from a humanitarian standpoint and just economic damages standpoint, things get worse. You know, we do not write that much business in Ukraine or in Russia, for that matter. Tiny in respects to our overall book of business. But obviously, when you start adding up policy limits, you can get to some big numbers. But we really don't believe it is a material issue to Markel Corporation. But again, the longer it goes, the worse it gets from a humanitarian situation as well as an economic situation.

Understood. That's helpful. Thanks. That's all my questions.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tom Gaynor for any closing remarks.

Thank you very much. We enjoyed being with you. We hope to see you either in Omaha or Richmond soon. Be well.

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