7/30/2019

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Good day, and welcome to the Altria Group 2019 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is scheduled to last about one hour, including remarks by Altria's management and a question and answer session. In order to ask a question, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad at any time. Representatives of the investment community and media on the call will be able to ask questions following the conclusion of the prepared remarks. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Paige Magnus, Vice President of Investor Relations and Communications for Altria Client Services. Please go ahead, ma'am.

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Paige Magnus
Vice President of Investor Relations and Communications

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. We're here this morning with Howard Willard, Altria's CEO, and Billy Gifford, our CFO, to discuss Altria's 2019 second quarter and first half business results. Earlier today, we issued a press release providing these results. We're also including slides to accompany our remarks, and all of this information is available on our website at altria.com and through the Altria Investor app. During our call today, unless otherwise stated, we're comparing results to the same period of 2018. Our remarks contain forward-looking and cautionary statements and projections of future results. Please review the forward-looking and cautionary statements section at the end of today's earnings release for various factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our projections. Future dividend payments and share repurchases remain subject to the discretion of Altria's board. Share repurchases depend on marketplace conditions and other factors. Altria reports its financial results in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles. Today's call will contain various operating results on both a reported and adjusted basis. Adjusted results exclude special items that affect comparisons with reported results. Descriptions of these non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations are included in today's earnings release and on our website at Altria.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Howard.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Thanks, Paige, and good morning, everyone. Altria delivered excellent second quarter results driven by the performance of our core tobacco businesses. We grew adjusted diluted earnings per share nearly 9% in the second quarter, with each of our core tobacco segments delivering double-digit adjusted operating companies' income growth, expanding their already impressive adjusted operating companies' income margins, and maintaining momentum on their leading premium brands. The strong second quarter was a big step up from the first. as the negative smokable inventory impact in the first quarter reversed to a benefit in the second. The second quarter also saw the benefits of our cost reduction program ramp up, and we expect these will continue to build through the year. In the second quarter, we made important progress further enhancing our business platform and noncombustible product offerings for adult tobacco consumers. In April, FDA authorized PMI's ICOS product for U.S. commercialization in the heated tobacco category. And in June, we signed an agreement to acquire 80% ownership of the companies that we'll globally commercialize on, a leading product in the rapidly growing oral nicotine pouch category. We also saw an acceleration of consumer trends that we believe further validate the strategic actions that we've taken over the years. We believe that with our leading premium tobacco brands, U.S. commercialization rights to Icos, the leading global heated tobacco product, our investment in Juul, and pending transaction for Ahn, we're best positioned with a strong and resilient combustible business and the best noncombustible portfolio in the U.S. tobacco market. Let's turn first to our smokable product segment. The smokable product segment generated strong adjusted operating companies income growth of 11% in the second quarter, primarily driven by the benefit of higher pricing and the impact of our cost reduction efforts. For the first half, the smokable segment delivered 5.7% adjusted operating companies income growth. PMUSA is pleased with Marlboro's continued stability with retail share of 43.3% unchanged versus the year-ago quarter, and up two-tenths sequentially. Marlboro's performance continues to be supported by its leading brand equity, bolstered by investments in product expansions, packaging innovation, and digital loyalty and trade programs. In discount, L&M is performing in line with expectations. and we are pleased with its increased profitability over time. We believe discount category dynamics continue to primarily reflect a churn between branded discount and deep discount offerings. The overall discount category grew a tenth sequentially in the quarter to 24.2%, and the discount category remains essentially in line with historical share. Turning to cigarette volumes, the first half of 2019 saw large inventory fluctuations. Wholesalers depleted PMUSA inventories by 400 million units in the first quarter and rebuilt inventories by 500 million units in the second quarter, the net result being a 100 million unit benefit to reported volumes in the first half compared to a 400 million unit depletion in the first half of 2018. We estimate that the adjusted industry decline rate in the second quarter was 6%, up from 5% in the fourth quarter of 2018 and first quarter of 2019. Over the first half, the adjusted cigarette industry decline rate was an estimated 5.5%. Let me provide you with some perspective on the factors driving category volume declines. Over the past 12 months, U.S. cigarette industry volumes declined by an estimated 5%. This represents a half percent increase versus the 12 months ended in the first quarter of 2019, which we estimate is primarily due to increased adult smoker movement to the eVapor category. We believe this reflects both increased availability of satisfying eVapor products that began mid-year 2018 and higher levels of exclusive eVapor use. After considering the latest information, we are revising our 2019 estimate of U.S. cigarette industry volume decline rate to 5% to 6% from a range of 4% to 5%. We have also considered the combined effects of the current acceleration in adult smoker movement across categories and the recent strong national momentum behind raising the legal age to purchase all tobacco products to 21, and our estimate of cigarette declines through 2023. Specifically, we expand our five-year compounded annual average rate of category decline estimate to 4% to 6% for our previous range of 4% to 5%. It's informative to compare smokable business results versus historic category volume declines. In the first half, adjusted category volumes were down 5.5%, and the smokable segment grew adjusted operating company's income 5.7%. By comparison, over the past four years, adjusted category volumes declined approximately 3% on a compounded annual basis, and the smokable segment grew adjusted operating company's income 5.2%. We believe this demonstrates how our strong and resilient smokeable platform can deliver profit growth in the current volume decline environment. Solid profit growth is also demonstrated in our smokeless product segment results. USSTC is successfully executing against its strategy of maximizing income while maintaining momentum on Copenhagen over time. USSTC is one of the most profitable non-combustible tobacco businesses in the world and offers a portfolio of satisfying products with the potential for harm reduction. USSTC grew its adjusted operating company's income by 10.8% in the second quarter and 9.4% for the first half, reflecting consistently strong results so far this year. And Copenhagen's category-leading retail share grew by three-tenths to 34.6% in the second quarter. USSTC's smokeless volumes decreased an estimated 2% in the first half when adjusted for calendar differences and trade inventory movement. USSTC estimates that smokeless industry volume decreased 1.5% in the last six months. We believe these declines reflect increasing adult tobacco consumer interest in both evapor and oral nicotine pouches. In June, we announced an agreement to acquire 80% ownership of the companies that will commercialize on oral nicotine pouches through Helix Innovations, a newly formed operating company. Ahn offers a total of 35 SKUs representing the broadest oral nicotine pouch portfolio in the U.S. market today. We expect the transaction to close in the second half of this year. In advance of closing, Altria Group Distribution Company began expanding availability of the Ahn portfolio to select retailers this month. Upon closing, our focus for Ahn will include further expanding retail distribution and visibility building U.S. production capacity, building the on-brand through adult tobacco consumer engagement, and preparing PMTAs for the on-portfolio. We're excited about adding on to our business platform and pursuing a leadership position in this new and rapidly growing category. Also in non-combustibles, ICOS has shown to be a leading product internationally. We're pleased to have access to an inhalable alternative that represents the first next-generation tobacco product to receive FDA premarket authorization. We're ready to begin commercializing Icos in the U.S. and are committed to its success. We expect the first Icos store to open in Atlanta in September, along with other retail touchpoints, including mobile retail units and retail kiosks, all restricted to adult smokers. We plan to have the Icos website live in August, where adult smokers will be able to pre-order their Icos devices for pickup at the Icos Atlanta store. Initially, we expect heat stick distribution to be in approximately 500 Atlanta area stores. We are very excited to bring Icos to adult smokers in the U.S. and intend to capitalize on this first mover advantage. Turning to eVapor. The category continues to grow as adult smokers increasingly find satisfying options in the category. We, of course, participate in the eVapor category through our investment in JUUL. After initial trial and experimentation with eVapor, adult vapor participation in the category declined from 2014 to 2016. The number of adult vapors re-accelerated upon the availability of more satisfying pod-based products. Based on our 12-month moving data, we estimate there are now 13.8 million adult vapors as of June 2019, up from 12.2 million at the end of 2018. Importantly, that growth trend coincides with a trend towards more exclusive use in the category. According to our adult consumer tracking data, we estimate more than 7 million adults vape and do not smoke as of June 2019. In the first half of 2019, we estimate that evaper category volume grew by approximately 40% year-over-year across open and closed systems and all trade classes. Since 2017, And even considering more recent competitive product expansions, our data indicates that Juul has driven nearly all of the category growth. Juul's share of the category across both open and closed systems grew to 48% in Q2, up from 44% in the first quarter, and its full year 2018 share of 33%. Juul continues to be the category leader despite the removal of certain flavors at retail that caused a first quarter sequential volume slowdown. While competitors have responded by increasing the availability of non-traditional flavors, we believe their tactics will ultimately be addressed with full implementation of FDA's ENDS guidance later this year. Internationally, Juul continues to make progress expanding to additional markets. Since April, Juul launched in several new markets, which include Ireland, South Korea, Austria, and the Philippines. Juul plans to launch in additional markets by the end of this year. It's still early days for Juul international distribution. However, we are working to establish a measurement system that appropriately captures trade channels in overseas markets and provides a more complete view on consumer takeaway. Providing thoughtful solutions to address youth evaper use is a top priority. We know that the future viability of these products is at risk unless more is done to reverse the underage evaper use trend. We strongly believe that raising the legal age nationwide to purchase all tobacco products to 21 is one important step toward addressing this issue. So far, our advocacy has helped drive significant progress at both the federal and state levels. Earlier this month, Ohio became the 18th state to make 21 the legal age of purchase, and now over half of the U.S. population is covered by legislation requiring 21 as the minimum age. Bipartisan federal legislation has also been introduced with broad support, so the effort has strong momentum. We believe it is critical to preserve evapor products as an option for the more than 13 million adults who use them and the millions more adult smokers who are interested in noncombustible alternatives. Earlier this month, in the case pending against FDA and federal court in Maryland, the court revised PMTA deadlines for new tobacco products on the market as of August 8, 2016, to be May 2020. According to the court order, new products for which applications have not been filed within this period will be subject to FDA enforcement discretion. We expect the new timelines to present a challenge for all companies impacted by the court's ruling. Juul is investing significant resources in preparing their applications, and we are offering regulatory consulting services. In summary, our 2019 plans remain on track. We're operating in a rapidly changing industry. We've long anticipated consumer adoption of new types of products with potentially lower risk. This is one of the main reasons we supported FDA regulation many years ago, to facilitate this change. And it's why we've invested in the leading noncombustible products. The dynamics during the first half of the year further validate our strategy. With increasing success migrating adult smokers to noncombustible products, We're pleased that our strong core businesses are well positioned to provide profit growth through this transition. We continue to believe that we're building a business platform that enhances our ability to deliver solid performance in returns to shareholders over time and across a variety of scenarios. We reaffirm our guidance to deliver full year 2019 adjusted diluted earnings per share of $4.15 to $4.27. This range represents a growth rate of 4% to 7% from a 2018 adjusted diluted EPS base of $3.99. I'll now turn it over to Billy to provide more detail on our performance and other investments. Thanks, Howard, and good morning, everyone.

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

We'll begin with additional color on our smokable product segment. Reported domestic cigarette volume increased 0.3% in the second quarter as trade inventory dynamics more than offset the industry rate of decline and year-over-year retail share declines. When adjusted for inventory movements and other factors, smokable product segment cigarette volume declined by an estimated 7% for both the second quarter and first half. In the second quarter, the smokable product segment expanded OCI margins by 1.8 percentage points to 54.4%, driven by higher pricing and lower controllable costs, partially offset by higher resolution costs. In the smokable product segment, strong price realization reflects both pricing actions and greater efficiency in use of promotional resources, thanks to investments made in trade programs, data analytics, and consumer data. Net price realization was 7% in the second quarter and 7.7% for the first half. The Marlboro Rewards Program continues to resonate with adult smokers and drive visits to Marlboro.com. In July, PMUSA hit a terrific milestone with over 2 million enrollees and more than 100 million PAC codes entered since the program launched in January. Beginning in April, PMUSA expanded Marble Smooth Ice in the resale pack nationally, which is now distributed in over 113,000 retail stores. Marble Smooth Ice continues to receive positive feedback from adult smokers and the trade. Between July and September, adult smokers can earn up to three times the rewards points for every pack of Marble Smooth Ice entered. We expect this offer to encourage trial of Marble Smooth Ice and drive repeat purchase among adult smokers. Building on its early success in the Western US, Nat Sherman expanded Nats to all 50 states in the second quarter. Nats competes in the super premium segment and offers adult smokers a unique cigarette proposition of simply tobacco and water. And in cigars, volume grew 2.6% in the second quarter, and black and mild continued its strength in the premium tipped cigar segment. On the legislative front, we continue to monitor cigarette state excise tax increases. On July 1st, SET increases in two states, Illinois and New Mexico, went into effect, bringing the weighted average SET as of July 1st to $1.82 per pack, up 3 cents from $1.79 per pack when compared to both year-end 2018 and the first half of 2019. In smokeless, USSTC expanded adjusted OCI margins by 4.1 percentage points to a remarkable 74% in the second quarter, driven by higher pricing and lower costs. USSTC's retail share declined two-tenths in the second quarter to 53.9%. Copenhagen's retail share grew three-tenths of a share point to 34.6%, and Skoll's retail share declined six-tenths of a share point to 15.8%. In May, USSTC opened the original Snuff Shop in downtown Nashville. The original Snuff Shop allows adult dippers to immerse themselves in Copenhagen's rich 200-year heritage and reinforces the brand's already strong equity among adult dippers. Turning to our alcohol assets, in wine, the premium segment continues to be highly competitive. St. Michelle delivered adjusted operating company's income of $19 million, down 29.6% in the second quarter, primarily due to higher costs and unfavorable premium mix. To help reinvigorate its portfolio, St. Michelle is making investments to modernize its marketing approach through digital and packaging innovation, including the first quarter launch of 14 hands in aluminum cans. In beer, adjusted earnings from our equity investment in ABI were $212 million in the second quarter, up more than 35% year-over-year, reflecting Altria's share of ABI's first quarter results. I'll turn briefly to our investment in cannabis. With its well-capitalized balance sheet, we believe Kronos is making good progress in executing against its growth strategy. Kronos continues to focus on augmenting its management with top talent and investing in intellectual property and differentiated brands. Kronos also recently announced its agreement to purchase a state-of-the-art production facility in Canada to advance its partnership with Ginkgo Bioworks and ultimately support large-scale cannabinoid production and efficiency. We continue to be excited about the global potential of the rapidly growing cannabis category and believe that U.S. federal legalization is inevitable. We also believe Altria's capabilities will help Kronos establish a leadership position in such scenario. Moving to our capital allocation, we continue to return a significant amount of cash to shareholders in the form of dividends and share buybacks. In the second quarter, we paid $1.5 billion in dividends and have a highly attractive dividend yield. Altria's current annualized dividend rate of $3.20 per share represents an annual dividend yield of 6.4% as of July 26, 2019. In the second quarter, we also repurchased 3.7 million shares for a total cost of $195 million, which concluded our $2 billion share repurchase program. Yesterday, the Board authorized a new $1 billion share repurchase program, which we expect to complete by the end of 2020. Our previously announced cost reduction program remains on track, and we still expect to realize $575 million in annualized cost savings by the end of 2019. The program includes savings from workforce reductions, third-party spending reductions, and closure of our Newmark operations. Workforce reductions were largely completed in the first quarter, so our second quarter results reflect cost savings, offsetting more of the incremental interest expense we incurred related to our transactions in the fourth quarter of last year. With that, we'll wrap up, and Howard and I will be happy to take your questions. While the calls are being compiled, I'll remind you that today's earnings release and our non-GAAP reconciliations are available on Altria.com. We've also posted our usual quarterly metrics, which include pricing, inventory, and other housekeeping items. With that, I'll open up the question and answer period. Operator, do we have any questions?

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Once again, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star key followed by the number one on your touchtone phone at this time. Investors, analysts, and media representatives are now invited to participate in the question and answer session. We will take questions from the investment community first. Our first question comes from Judy Hong of Goldman Sachs.

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Judy Hong
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thank you. Good morning. Howard, I guess I had a question around this cross-category movement that seems to be accelerating, which is driving your reduced volume forecast for the cigarette industry. If you look at a lot of the movement last year, a lot of that came in the back half of the year. I guess the comparisons are probably getting a little bit easier just from that perspective. So are you expecting kind of that run rate, 1.3% negative category cross movement on the cigarette volume to stay constant? Why do you think that that number doesn't necessarily fade if you're kind of comping against a tougher comparison in the back half of the year?

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I think you make a good point. When you look at the growth that's occurred in the eVapor category, it really started to grow strongly at the beginning of 2018, and certainly you had a much larger base in the second half of 2018 that we'll compare against in the second half of 2019. So it certainly could result in a slowdown in the percentage growth of the category. And frankly, that's why when we look at our annual estimate for the decline rate of the cigarette category, it's a range, because I think it would take that into account.

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Judy Hong
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Then can you just provide a bit more color just in terms of taking down kind of the medium-term guidance, down 4 to 6 percent? you know, your level of confidence that that range is, you know, comfortable enough, just given that that projection has come down in the last two quarters?

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. You know, I think that we originally had a five-year compound annual decline rate of the cigarette category of four to five percent. And we provided that at the end of last year. And our thinking was that we knew that there was an acceleration in the growth rate of the eVapor category. But we also knew from experience both overseas and in the U.S. that typically an acceleration of the growth rate of a category driven by newly available or more broadly available products tends to run its course in a year or two. And so we felt fairly good at that point, given the activity in the marketplace at 4% to 5%. In the second quarter of this year, a couple of things have happened that caused us to increase the top end of that decline range. First of all, ICOAS was approved. And I think that ICOAS is going to be on a nice growth trajectory as it expands nationwide over the next couple of years. So that's an additional influence on the cigarette category decline rate. And we also made our investment in ON. We think it's got a very strong portfolio of nicotine-containing pouches, and, of course, it will have access to our infrastructure. And then on top of that, we've also had – increased momentum behind increasing the minimum age to purchase to 21. We've now got 50% of U.S. population in jurisdictions where the minimum age to purchase is 21. So we thought given that range of changes that it made sense to broaden the decline range for the cigarette category over the next five years. Okay.

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Judy Hong
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

And then my last question, Howard, just on Juul. So, you know, in December or I guess in February, you laid out your key transaction assumptions around Juul, both U.S. and internationally. So now that you've, you know, obviously have invested in the business for, you know, seven months or so, can you provide us with some color on how those assumptions have changed at FedAll and, you know, whether the PMTA deadline being pulled forward impact some of those assumptions going forward?

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. You know, I think if you looked at our assumptions, I think we expected that Juul would have quite strong revenue growth following our investment. And I think we also had a belief that there was quite an attractive opportunity at the gross margin line as well. I have to say in the first half of this year, Juul has performed quite strongly against both of those assumptions, and we feel very good about their performance there. With regard to developing operating companies' income, both domestically and overseas, I think we're not yet at a stage where we've got the information necessary to judge that. There's still a bit in investment spending mode, both domestically and overseas. And I think it's simply too soon to make a judgment on the progress they're making overseas. That's more of early days there. With regard to your question about the change in the filing date for their PMTA, there is no question that that the due date for filing a PMTA on all the evapour products being moved to May of next year represents a significant challenge for all the companies that are impacted by it. Joule is very focused on continuing to work on that, continuing to ramp up their resource investment, and we're providing them with consulting resources in the regulatory space as well. But that certainly raised the pressure on, I think, all the companies in the eMapr space. With that said, I think the way that JUUL's performance has evolved here over the last several months, they should have a very strong case to make in their PMTA. If you look at their response to the increase in youth usage, JUUL took very aggressive action in the third quarter of last year by removing their non-traditional flavored products from retail. They are really the only major player to have done that. And I think that was a big step forward in demonstrating their responsibility and their concern for the issue. In addition, they have also been very supportive of raising the minimum age to purchase to 21. And a lot of those laws kick in July 1st. And so we're going to start to see the impact of that going forward. And so I think that when you compare them to other players in the evaper category, they've been more aggressive in addressing the youth issue. Secondly, I think they are also the primary driver of increased switching of adult cigarette smokers to the evaper category. And, of course, that's something that the FDA is going to consider in looking at the PMTA is whether or not the company who's filing for the PMTA is having a significant impact on moving people down the continuum of harm. So I think they have very good science and evidence to support their application, but there is no doubt that the shortened timeline represents an increased challenge for everybody.

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Judy Hong
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Got it. Okay, thank you very much.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question comes from Vivian Azur of Cowan & Company.

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Vivian Azur
Analyst at Cowan & Company

Hi, good morning.

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Morning, Vivian.

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Vivian Azur
Analyst at Cowan & Company

So my first question is on the cigarette volume outlook as well. I just wanted to be entirely clear, Howard, as you guys have revised to down five to six, what does that assume in terms of the evolution of cross-category conversion?

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Well, I think given that the range is five to six and for the first half we are, we're at a five and a half percent decline rate, it actually covers quite a broad range of scenarios in the back half of the year. It would still be supportive even if the volume in the back half of the year for the cigarette category declined at a lower rate. And certainly that could happen. It was raised earlier on the call that there is certainly a tougher comp for the eVapor category in the back half of last year. So it certainly allows for a slowdown in the decline rate of the cigarette category. And it also allows for a continuation of the strong growth in eVapor. I have to say that I don't believe we're going to have a significant impact in the second half of this year from ICOS, because it's going to be in a limited geography. That's probably more of a future year impact. But the benefit of having a 5% to 6% range covers quite a broad set of scenarios for the second half of the year.

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Vivian Azur
Analyst at Cowan & Company

Okay, that's helpful. But suffice it to say, then, if the first half is down 5.5% at the midpoint of your now revised full-year guidance, it does not contemplate a meaningful step function in terms of the cross-category movement. Like, you're not expecting cross-category movement to become an even bigger headwind in the back half. Is that fair?

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I think that's largely fair. And I think that given the much larger... second half last year, number of evapors and the larger volume of evapor in the back half of last year, I think we thought that was prudent.

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Vivian Azur
Analyst at Cowan & Company

Okay. Yeah, I agree with that for sure. That's helpful. Thank you. And then just my other question is on the moist smokeless tobacco category. So we've seen category volumes decline For six consecutive quarters now, you called out the impact of both eVapor as well as other oral tobacco products. So can you just offer some color on how you're thinking about that category through the rest of the year and perhaps on a five-year basis? Because seemingly the outlook for moist smokeless tobacco has changed in line with cigarettes. Thanks.

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I mean, I think the change in the growth trajectory of the smokeless tobacco category – has largely occurred over the last four or five years. We'll remember back four or five years ago, the smokeless tobacco category was growing 4% to 5% a year. And I think the reason for that was that it was the primary recipient of adult cigarette smokers that were looking for an alternative. and they were moving to moist, smokeless tobacco. I think with the increased availability and attractiveness of eVapor products and certainly also now most recently these nicotine-containing pouches, I think that folks that used to go to the moist, smokeless tobacco category and drive nice growth there, are primarily going to the evapor category, and I think in the future we'll have an additional option in nicotine-containing pouches. And so I think that we expect that the category is going to remain kind of at a small decline rate going forward, although, you know, we haven't made a precise projection. I would point out that even given the slowdown in the growth rate of the category, it's still generating quite nice profit growth.

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Vivian Azur
Analyst at Cowan & Company

Absolutely. That's helpful. Thank you very much.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question is from Bonnie Herzog of Wells Fargo. Hi. Thank you. Good morning.

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Bonnie Herzog
Analyst at Wells Fargo

I actually wanted to ask about your model, again, in the context of your weaker outlook for the industry SIG volumes. Just, you know, trying to think about this. If anything has changed with your model in terms of your ability to deliver profit growth over the long term, and maybe you could touch further on the different levers you have to pull to offset the ongoing sig volume pressures, such as pricing. And, Howard, also, I'm not sure, but I don't think you mentioned price increases negatively impacting your outlook for industry volume, but I imagine that's a factor, too.

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. You know, I think as we look at the opportunity to deliver against our long-term aspiration of 7% to 9% EPS growth, we continue to feel good about the tools we have at our disposal to deliver that over the long term. And, you know, I think it starts off with we think quite a healthy and resilient combustible business I think you saw in the first half of this year how the profit growth was quite strong in that business, despite the fact that there was a stepped-up decline in the overall industry volume. And, of course, the two contributors of that to that nice profit growth were price increases coming from both list price and improved promotional efficiency and cost reduction in the category. And I think we have long believed that that business is quite resilient and can deliver nice profit growth, even in an environment where the industry volume declines step up a bit. Now, of course, in addition to the profit growth opportunity we have with our core businesses, We also expect, once we get HSR approval, to have equity income from Juul. And given Juul's strong revenue and volume growth this year, we would expect that going forward, in addition to having the profit growth from our core tobacco businesses, we'd get an equity income contribution from Juul. And we think that the sum of the growth from our combustible tobacco business plus the 35% contribution to our equity income from Juul, we think that that sets us up very well to deliver in the future. And then, of course, as their international business develops, that is a further incremental opportunity for profit growth as 35% of economic interest brings that to our equity income line as well. So I don't know that we feel that our model has really changed on how we would deliver, although I have to acknowledge we've widened the range a bit, but we still feel very comfortable about our long-term 7% to 9% APS aspiration.

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Bonnie Herzog
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Okay, that's helpful. And then Speaking of Juul, is there anything you can share with us in terms of the improvements maybe you've been seeing in Juul's business, either sequentially or year over year? And you touched on their expansion internationally, and that seems to be going quite well, but they have been investing quite a bit to build that growth. So just how should we think about Juul's model, I guess? over the long term? Obviously, we don't have a lot of visibility yet, but maybe you could shed a little bit of light on that for us, please.

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. You know, I think there's been quite a bit of change in the marketplace in the eVapor space in the U.S. for the first half of the year. So Juul withdrew their flavors. There was a slowdown in their volume growth in the first quarter, although they went back to strong volume growth in the second quarter. So I think that's the first thing I would say is that despite their withdrawal of non-traditional flavors from retail, they still seem to have a healthy growth profile, which I think is a positive. And that's occurring despite the fact that the other major pod-based manufacturers have not decided to withdraw their flavors from retail. As a matter of fact, they've increased availability and they've been growing the flavored volume that they have at retail. So certainly that has an impact on Juul, but they've still had a nice healthy growth rate in the first half of the year despite that. And I would expect that Juul will have a benefit when the FDA finalizes their ENDS guidance and those other players have to join Juul in restricting the availability of flavors at retail. So I think that's another positive that is likely to come in the second half of the year. So I think overall in the U.S. market, I think it's been a strong performance for Vapor overall and certainly for Juul. I think overseas... It's still early days, and I think, you know, it's probably going to take another year to really get the same kind of positive assessment that we're able to get for the U.S. market today. But certainly their expansion is going well, and, you know, I think with the passage of time, we'll see how they do overseas.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

All right. Thank you.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question is from Michael Lavery of Piper Jaffrey.

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Michael Lavery
Analyst at Piper Jaffrey

Good morning.

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Hi, Michael.

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Michael Lavery
Analyst at Piper Jaffrey

Can you just touch on what, if anything, you have included for ON in guidance in the second half?

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Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

I think it's important to remember, Michael, that we expect that to close in the second half. So from a standpoint of anything material, we don't expect anything material this year from ON.

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Michael Lavery
Analyst at Piper Jaffrey

And any more specific on the timing? Is that imminent later in the second half? Do you have a sense of when that might happen?

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

No, we're working with the other side, but we expect it to close in the second half.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

I wouldn't point out, Michael, though, that we have agreed in advance of closing that AGDC is going to provide distribution services to expand the product availability at retail. That started this month. So we are getting the benefit of starting to expand its availability in the marketplace in advance of closing, which I think is a real plus.

speaker
Michael Lavery
Analyst at Piper Jaffrey

And does that have service revenues related to it, or does it just set up the brand to be in a better position once it closes?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I wouldn't think of service revenues as being at all material. The real benefit is that the business is going to get a chance to ramp up so that it is a much better position to compete with the other players post-closing.

speaker
Michael Lavery
Analyst at Piper Jaffrey

And then just looking at Kronos, do you have any involvement in helping partner to shape their plans, or as far as that contribution to your equity income, is it just sort of you're left with whatever you get?

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

No, I think we have quite a bit of... influence on their strategy going forward. We have the majority of the seats on the board, and we work very closely through our board representatives at helping Kronos think through their plans going forward. I think we invested in them because we thought they had an excellent management team and a good strategy to begin with. And I have to say we work very well together, and I think we're making real progress, although we acknowledge in the Canada space overall it's early days.

speaker
Michael Lavery
Analyst at Piper Jaffrey

No, it sounds like good alignment, though. That's nice. And then just on your medium-term now 4% to 6% decline outlook for the cigarette category, you mentioned the revision having some consideration for things like ICOS being approved and your expansion of distribution on and, of course, the vapor momentum we're seeing. Is it fair to assume that if ICOS had stronger momentum than in some markets, more something like a Japan perhaps. Clearly, that would be a very different number. At the moment, it seems like a pretty modest conservative expectation for what that will do. How are you thinking about the five-year view for that?

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Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I think I would say that that provides an opportunity for kind of a mid-range performance on ICOS. I can tell you if we had a Japan-like performance, we would be delighted. And at some point, we might be considering whether or not to step up the decline rate again. We feel like there's a fair amount of opportunity for ICOs to grow, even within that 4% to 6% decline range, because our assumption is that Given the rapid growth rate we've seen in eVapor in 2018 and in the first half of 2019, we think that the eVapor products are broadly available throughout retail and have been for over a year. And at some point, we think that you're going to reach a saturation point on eVapor. And you might even see an impact from the shakeout of many of the eVapor products coming out of the market next year. So I wouldn't necessarily draw a straight line for growth on the evapor category. And I think that leaves plenty of opportunity for a strong growth on ICOS. And I think oral nicotine pouches, their overall impact is likely to be smaller than either evapor or heat not burn. But we do believe that these clean white oral nicotine pouches are likely to appeal first and foremost to MST users. but I think are also a good alternative for adult cigarette smokers. And they are much more approachable than traditional moist smokeless tobacco pouches or even snus pouches.

speaker
Michael Lavery
Analyst at Piper Jaffrey

That's helpful. Thank you very much.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question is from Paula Kaufman of Morgan Stanley.

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Pam Kaufman
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Hi. Good morning. It's Pam Kaufman. And I just wanted to follow up on the questions about your updated long-term rate of decline of 4% to 6%. If we assume that your volumes will decline at 5% annually, which is the midpoint of your outlook for the industry through 2023, your volumes would be about 20% to 25% below where they are today. What gives you confidence that you can sustain your long-term growth algorithm and continue to generate pricing growth in excess of those volume declines. And I guess based on the frequent rate of downward revisions recently for the industry for this year, what should give investors confidence that your outlook for the midterm won't go lower? Sure.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

The confidence we have that we can continue to generate nice profit growth out of our combustible segment is driven by the experience we've had in driving profit growth in that business through both pricing and cost management. And certainly when we've seen in prior periods a step up in the decline rate of the volume, typically we've had the opportunity to continue to drive similar profit growth by utilizing those tools slightly differently going forward. But certainly in the event that we see a modest slowdown in our ability to grow profit in the combustible segment because of a higher rate of volume decline, we would have a further offset to that to further accelerate profit growth of our EPS coming from the equity income contribution from JUUL. And we feel strongly that the sum of our combustible profit growth added to the equity income we get from JUUL, that that ought to compare favorably to our ability to grow profit in the past. With regard to your question about how comfortable are we with 4% to 6% as a five-year compound annual growth rate of cigarette volume declines, we feel like that's a wide range that covers a whole variety of scenarios. And at this point, we feel quite comfortable given conditions in the marketplace. But I would point out that one of the reasons that we've worked so hard to build the leading portfolio of noncombustible tobacco products is that our belief is that it's hard to predict with precision the pace at which adult cigarette smokers may switch to noncombustible tobacco products in the future. And so what we've done is we've we've essentially built a product portfolio of non-combustible tobacco products such that if the movement of adult cigarette smokers out of cigarettes into these other product categories accelerates, we have the opportunity to benefit from that movement with profitable products that lead their categories. And essentially, if there's a step down in our ability to grow profitability in the combustible business, we would expect to make it up either with Icos and Heat Not Burn, with Ahn and oral nicotine pouches, or through our equity income from Juul. So we think we've hedged that opportunity, although I have no reason to believe that that 4% to 6% range is inadequate based on the current market conditions and our understanding of what the future is going to bring.

speaker
Pam Kaufman
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Thanks. Also, it seems like there may be a number of regulatory developments coming up this fall. What do you expect from the next wave of the National Youth Tobacco Survey? And would you expect this to impact Jules PMTA's approval prospects? And then separately, the FDA indicated that it plans to publish a proposed nicotine rule later this year. Do you believe that they'll stick to this target?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. You're right. We do expect probably in the third quarter to get another update on youth usage of evapor products. I think it's hard to determine what exactly those figures will show, but it would not surprise me if you saw youth use of eVapor products continue at the prior year level or even take a step up because there's been a number of actions taken to drive down youth use of eVapor products, but I don't know that we've had the time that has passed to get the impact of that. Even the FDA's ENDS guidance on restricting flavors at retail hasn't been finalized yet. And while there's been a benefit from Juul withdrawing their flavors, the other manufacturers have expanded the availability of flavors. So I think you're going to have to wait until FDA finalizes that guidance and enforces against the other players to get the impact. There's been good progress on raising the minimum age to purchase to 21, but I would say the bulk of that impact is a July 1 and moving forward kind of impact. So that's going to take a while. You know, I think the expectation is that a lot of the actions, and frankly, the FDA has expanded their advertising campaign to discourage youth from using e-vapor products. There's a lot going on. I just think that the expectation would be that it's going to have a significant impact going forward. I just don't know that I would expect that it's been a long enough period of time for those actions to see it in the September numbers. With regard to FDA issuing further guidance on their nicotine regulation, they have indicated that they may publish something later this year. Given the past track record, I think that means that it may or may not come out. But I think we've communicated before, we think that Ultimately, any implementation of a nicotine saline on cigarette products we think is a very long-term action, and it would take quite some time for FDA to finalize that regulation and implement it. And, of course, we don't think that what they have proposed in the past is feasible today, and we don't think it's supported by the science. So we may expect to see some short-term progress there. But we think it's a long-term impact.

speaker
Pam Kaufman
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question is from Chris Grohe of Stifel.

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Chris Grohe
Analyst at Stifel

Hi, good morning.

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Hi, Chris.

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Chris Grohe
Analyst at Stifel

Hi. I just had two sort of follow-up questions. I guess first, have you given any kind of update on receiving FTC approval for your JUUL investment? And I know that your guidance incorporates, you said, some modest profit contribution from your investments this year. It would seem like you have some profit built in for the year. Is that presumably in the fourth quarter? We don't have an update yet on this FTC approval?

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Yeah, Chris. On the FTC, we still expect approval not a part of this year, beginning of next. And I think what we had said previously about both Kronos and Jewel is we had no material impact in our guidance.

speaker
Chris Grohe
Analyst at Stifel

Okay. And then in relation to ICOS launching it in September, I just want to get a sense of the, is there a step of investment that occurs in the third quarter to accommodate the launch of the product? So we're thinking about the phasing of earnings, or are a lot of those expenses already been sort of realized or undertaken as part of the P&L?

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Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Yeah, when we issued guidance, we said we incorporated the ICOS lead market Certainly, there are always puts and takes, but we run various scenarios when we have that range of guidance, and that's all incorporated.

speaker
Chris Grohe
Analyst at Stifel

I have just one final question, which is in relation to the June price increase that occurred in combustible, do you believe inventories are at the right level today, or was there any kind of build, given that came a bit of a surprise, that occurred around that price increase that might have to work through in the third quarter?

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Yeah, I think it's informative to look at where the inventories ended the second quarter, compare that to historical levels, and they're essentially in line with historical levels of inventory.

speaker
Chris Grohe
Analyst at Stifel

I agree. Okay. Thanks so much.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Our next question is from Owen Bennett of Jefferies.

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Owen Bennett
Analyst at Jefferies

Morning, guys. Hope all well. Yeah, just one question for me. If I saw that right on the slide, you said that Joule is basically driving all the additional adult vapor use. I mean, that seems kind of very impressive. I was just wondering, in the context that, I mean, there's competition that haven't removed all their flavors, competition as well, spending a lot of money doing TV adverts, et cetera. What do you think is actually just driving that success of Juul and actually being the contributor to all that additional growth?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

You're right. I think Juul's had an impressive first half. And they've had some challenges that they've taken on that the other participants haven't. And frankly, I think it's further evidence of the fact that amongst adult tobacco consumers, I think Juul has real brand equity, and I think it has a superior product. And I think that as more and more adult tobacco consumers are exposed to the product, I think increasingly folks are adding Juul to their tobacco product use. And as you saw from the numbers, that they're setting down their cigarettes and moving over exclusively to eVapor, I think in increasing numbers as well. So, I've been very pleased by it. Certainly, there's a high level of competitive activity in the marketplace, but I think that Juul has performed quite admirably in the first half of this year, despite all that activity.

speaker
Owen Bennett
Analyst at Jefferies

Okay. Actually, then, just one more follow-up in terms of, you said there's a likely continued increase in youth usage, and I'd imagine, obviously, that's going to be a key focus of a PMTA, so all the players... we'll need a good grasp of potentially how much of death volumes are coming from youth. So, I mean, obviously, dual driving all the additional adult use, if youth usage is still increasing, I mean, have you got any sort of idea of how much share of that dual is taken or whether that's dropping off now?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I really don't. And I don't know that I'm in a position to be able to forecast what the youth numbers are going to show in – in the third quarter when they come out. I just know from experience back in the late 90s when you had to step up in youth use of cigarettes, a similar very comprehensive effort was put in place to drive down youth usage of cigarettes. It was ultimately quite successful. But the impact of all that activity, it didn't happen in a quarter or two. It happened over the following, you know, one to three or four years. And so I think I've just steeled myself to the fact that despite all the progress that's been made, including raising the minimum age to purchase to 21 and jurisdictions with over half the population and progress at the federal level, I've sort of just looked at the past and I've steeled myself to the fact that even if we're winning that battle, it may take a bit of time for the results to materialize.

speaker
Owen Bennett
Analyst at Jefferies

Okay. And is that then not a risk given kind of we need to see impact by May next year when the PMTA has got in, so three to four years is not really kind of what's needed in this instance?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yes, certainly, really to all the eVapor companies that are now going to be filing in May of next year, they're going to have less time, will it pass, to allow eVapor rates to the client. So I think that's a risk really across the category for people that file. But I would point out that FDA, I think, has indicated that they appreciate the impact that the evaper category is having on converting adult cigarette smokers down the continuum of harm clearly that that switching and particularly the switching to evaper use without continuing to use cigarettes is accelerating so i think ultimately fda is going to have to balance that favorable adult movement down the continuum of harm which is quite strong and quite favorable against the fact that youth evaper rates have not yet stepped down. But I think FDA certainly has access to a lot of expertise, and I think they can certainly assess whether or not the step down is coming and consider that as they review those PMTAs. Cool. Thank you very much. Much appreciated. Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question comes from Adam Spielman of Citi.

speaker
Adam Spielman
Analyst at Citi

Thank you. Thank you very much. I've got two questions, if I can. The first one concerns down trading in the existing cigarette business. So one of the things that clearly you're doing is you're taking prices up and price gaps are widening. But at the same time, you presented data, and it's not the first time, that shows really there's very little down trading. There's many churn at the bottom end. And I'm really curious. intrigued by that, because I don't think it's a historic pattern. I sort of wonder why it is. Is it maybe that actually within, let's say, Marlborough, there are more people buying cheaper variants, or is there some other explanation about why there isn't downtrending? So that's the first question.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. I think you are right that the strength of the premium category in the U.S., has been persistently strong really since 2011 when we launched the new Marlboro architecture. And as a matter of fact, since 2011, the overall discount category is down more than SharePoint. So the U.S. market has been quite strong in that regard. And the premium category is much larger in the U.S. market than it is in many markets overseas. So I wouldn't say that this phenomenon that is occurring today is unusual compared to the last six or seven years. I think it's actually more the pattern. You know, the price gap over the last year or two has gone from 29% to 31%. So it's had a small increase. But I would say that's not a material increase. And I think that... I think that... The strong equity of the premium brands in the category, I think, has an impact on consumers deciding they'd rather pay a bit more to get their branded choice rather than move down into discount. So I think it's a sign of a very healthy premium category. Now, with regard to whether or not there's movement within the Marlboro portfolio, I Certainly, in the period during the Great Recession and shortly thereafter, there was an increased movement between the both premium price part of the Marlboro portfolio and the special blend. But given the strength of the economy today, there's really not an appreciable movement into that part of the portfolio. And, of course, the pricing that we share each year takes into account the change in the weighted average price across the Marlboro portfolio. So that's factored into the numbers.

speaker
Adam Spielman
Analyst at Citi

Okay. Thank you very much. And I just wanted to follow up briefly on an answer you gave to earlier in the call. So you said that in 2Q, this is a question about Joule, that you said in 2Q that Joule was growing very, very nicely. But I was wondering, I know you're not going to quantify that to the last decimal place, but I was wondering sort of relative to the run rate in the second half of last year, are we sort of talking volumes up 20%, up 50%, up 100%? And it's a ballpark in that direction, or 10%. Are you able to give some sort of ballpark figure for that sort of growth?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. In the first half of 2019, the category growth was 40% for the overall vapor category, and it was 195% for Juul. And that's on slide 18. And of course, we also referenced Jules' share growth in the second quarter compared to the first quarter in the full year 2018. Their share growth was 48% in Q2, up from 44% in Q1, and up from 33% in full year 2018. Thank you. That's very helpful.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Next question is from Steve Powers of Deutsche Bank.

speaker
Steve Powers
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Hey, great. Thanks. Hey, hey. So following up on your comments related to the PMTA process and the need for filers and the FDA to balance youth usage against the efficacy of eVapor to convert adult smokers, I guess I'm looking for a little bit more color on how that factors in to how you may consult Juul specifically in its PMTA application process. Because on the one hand, it's leading that adult conversion, so that's a positive thing. Yet on the other hand, it's, you know, their current product is clearly associated with underage usage and the potential lack of data on the efficacy of their steps to reduce that usage, just being in hand by the time approval needs to be granted, it just seems a potential liability. So what's your perspective on those dynamics as it relates to Juul and how that might impact, you know, how they apply or their application in general?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

I don't know that I have more to say on that topic. I think the youth usage of eVapor products is a challenge that every filer is going to have to deal with, and I think ultimately FDA is going to have to take all of that on board. I think we have the benefit, though, that the FDA can approve a product through the PMTA process and then require the filer to do post-market surveillance. And if they find that the favorable outcomes they expected to come from that product don't materialize in the years that follow, they can withdraw their approval. So I think that in a situation like we're faced here with eVapor, where there's very strong conversion of adult cigarette smokers, but we don't yet know whether or not youth rates are going to go down quite rapidly and what the timing will be. That might very well be a situation where post-market surveillance was frankly designed for that situation. And FDA can, you know, can approve certain products, require post-market surveillance, and essentially change their view based on what happens in the years that follow.

speaker
Steve Powers
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Okay, that's very helpful. Yeah, that's clear. Thank you very much. I guess the second question I have is just another follow-up on Juul and your comments earlier. I know you said that Juul's been performing impressively and quite strongly against your going and expectations year-to-date. But just to be clear, is it fair to say it's trending above expectations, at least as it relates to the U.S.? Because I'm just trying to triangulate between the lowering of your smokable volume outlook and and the primary role that eVapor is playing in that, and presumably the role that Juul is playing in that conversion. So it either suggests that Juul is trending above expectations, your own expectations, or that you've seen better than expected performance from some of the other eVapor brands. So just maybe can you clarify those dynamics, please?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

I would say that in the first half of the year, Juul is generally performing in line with our expectations. I don't know, we had a range of expectations, so I don't know that it's substantially exceeding those expectations. I would say that one factor that did occur, particularly in the first half of this year, that I think probably has an impact on the cigarette category decline rate, is that not only did we see the number of adult vapors increase as we expected it to, going to 13.8 million compared to 12.2 from June to the end of last year. We also saw a pretty good step up in the number of adult vapors that are no longer smoking. And certainly, if somebody goes from smoking to dual using cigarettes and eVapor and then goes all the way to exclusive eVapor use, that could have a modest step up on the cigarette decline rate. So certainly that happened in the first half. I don't know that we had a hard and fast view on what would happen there, but certainly it stepped up. And compared to history, it's at a higher level than it's been since 2014.

speaker
Steve Powers
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Okay. So just to clarify, so it sounds like Juul and the industry performing at the higher end of your going-in expectations plus maybe a bit more full conversion, full cessation of smoking than was implied in the baseline. Is that a good summary?

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Yeah, I think that's right.

speaker
Steve Powers
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Okay.

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Thanks a lot. All right. Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question comes from Gaurav Jain of Barclays.

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Gaurav Jain
Analyst at Barclays

Thank you. Good morning. So I have a question on your smokeless tobacco business, where margins are 74%. EBIT per can is north of $2. So if you expand ON, there is a risk that you cannibalize your own smokeless business, unless the margins of ON at scale are similar to your current smokeless business. So how do we think about that dichotomy?

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Yeah, you're exactly right. We're very pleased with the high margins that we're able to achieve in the smokeless category. From a standpoint of on, we think through time they will achieve tobacco-like margins.

speaker
Gaurav Jain
Analyst at Barclays

By tobacco, you mean smokeless-like margins?

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

That is correct.

speaker
Gaurav Jain
Analyst at Barclays

Sure. Now, coming to cigars, I'm aware that it is a very small part of your business. But FDA clearly has a three-pronged approach here to flavored cigars. They will finalize the draft guidance by October 19. There will be a PMTA by May 2020. And then there's a rulemaking process as well. So how should we think about the cigar business long term?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Sure. I think we feel good about... about our cigar business. You know, you were right that the FDA has said they're going to finalize some guidance on flavors in cigars later this year. I think we, along with others in the industry, have stated that we don't think they have a very good science and evidence base to restrict the availability of flavored cigars. So we think ultimately that is going to be challenged, and we feel that there's a very strong case to challenge that. Secondly, you're right that for products that don't already have a market order because they are grandfathered or have received an S.E., They're going to have to file PMTAs on this new accelerated deadline of May of next year. So for some cigar companies, that could pose a significant issue for them, and they may lose the ability to sell some of their cigar products. By and large, that doesn't apply to us. The vast majority of our cigar products have market orders either because they're grandfathered or have received SE notices. And then, of course, with regard to any rulemaking they might make in the longer term relating to flavors or other things, again, they're going to have the obligation to support that with science and evidence. And we feel good about our ability to make the case that our cigar products, in any case, are responsibly participating in the marketplace.

speaker
Gaurav Jain
Analyst at Barclays

Sure. Thank you. And if I can ask one last question. So on cigarettes... You know, what we have seen this year is that pricing has gone up above expectations and volumes have come in below expectations. And the substitute product, which is e-cigarettes, they aren't really taking any pricing and they haven't taken any pricing for two years. So as we look out, does the e-cigarette cannibalization increase over time as price gaps keep widening? And what has been your experience over the last two years?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I'm not going to speculate on future pricing. I think that consumers are moving into a vapor because of significant benefits that those products have unrelated to price, and I'm not going to speculate on future pricing. Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Sure. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Your next question comes from Petros Bulgaris of Goldman Sachs.

speaker
Petros Bulgaris
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Good morning, everybody. Good morning. We've discussed ICOS's inclusion in the MSA before and how that operates as a tax, but I'm wondering with respect to how ICOS is counted towards the MSA, will one heat stick be equivalent to one cigarette or will there be some other measurement? And as a follow-up, are there ways through different product iterations or some other modification for ICOS not to be included in the MSA?

speaker
Billy Gifford
Chief Financial Officer (CFO)

Yeah, I think when you think about it, one heat stick would be the equivalent of one cigarette because the definition incorporates it that way. And I'm not going to speculate on what future product iterations could be inside or outside of the MSA.

speaker
Petros Bulgaris
Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Thanks, guys.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. The floor is now open to questions from the media. And your first question comes from Jennifer Maloney of Wall Street Journal.

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Jennifer Maloney
Journalist at Wall Street Journal

Hi, good morning.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Hi, Jennifer.

speaker
Jennifer Maloney
Journalist at Wall Street Journal

I'm wondering if you can give us an update on direct mailings to your cigarette consumers and inserts in cigarette packs on behalf of Juul. How many have you sent out and what are the redemption rates looking like?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, we don't share a level of that detail. Both direct mailings and inserts to date have occurred, and I know that there is further activity that's planned between now and the end of the year communicating about the benefits of JUUL, but we haven't shared numbers or fine details on that.

speaker
Jennifer Maloney
Journalist at Wall Street Journal

Broadly speaking, have the results of those changed your estimates for sort of what cannibalization you expect to see specifically on your brands from Juul?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

No, it hasn't. I don't think we've seen anything that caused us to change our views on Juul's growth rate or the cannibalization of our products.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Okay, thanks.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. Your next question is from Robert Ramson of UBS.

speaker
Robert Ramson
Analyst at UBS

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just to follow up on that cannibalization question, could you give us some more color on what is the cannibalization rate of e-cigarettes? Every 100 puffs, how many are coming from cigarettes? One of your peers put that number at 25%. Would you disagree with that?

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Yeah, I don't know that I've got a precise point of view on that. I think we think about it more along the lines of... how the category growth rate in eVapor is developing, and then we take into account all the impacts on the overall cigarette category. I don't know that we've kind of looked at it that way, and I don't know that I have any greater precision to share with you.

speaker
Robert Ramson
Analyst at UBS

Okay, fair enough. Sorry, second question, just on ICOS. Your earlier comments seem to infer that you're Your expected range is between zero and Japan at 20, and you're at the midpoint, so I'm guessing around 10%. Can you give some color on what your expectations for ICOS in the U.S.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

are based on? Yeah, I don't know that we've firmed up an expectation for ICOS. I think our belief – certainly we know the experience in the variety of markets overseas – I think our belief is that that's one of the key things we're going to learn in going into the Atlanta test market. And I think we'll know probably in the next six to nine months kind of what the U.S. experience is with ICOS. And, of course, we're going to put significant resources and significant activity behind it in order to drive it towards the high end of what it can do in the U.S., but I don't know that we've got a precise answer as to how we think it's going to compare in the U.S. to overseas, but we do know that we're going to put the resources behind it to make sure that it does as well in the U.S. as is humanly possible. Fair enough. Thank you very much. Thank you.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

speaker
Howard Willard
Chief Executive Officer (CEO)

Thank you, Christy. To close, we're on track to deliver against our 2019 earnings guidance. We believe Altree is well positioned through the combination of excellent profit growth from our core tobacco businesses and strategic positions in key noncombustible product categories to lead our industry through a period of evolution, just as we have in the past. Thanks again for joining us, and please contact our investor relations team if you have further questions.

speaker
Christy Anderson
Operator/Host

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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Q2MO 2019

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