Vail Resorts, Inc.

Good day and welcome to the Vail Resorts first quarter 2021 earnings call. Today's conference is being recorded. As a reminder, to enter the question queue, you may press star one at any time during today's call. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Rob Katz, CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our fiscal 2021 first quarter earnings conference call. Joining me on the call this afternoon is Michael Barkin, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, let me remind you that some information provided during this call may include forward-looking statements that are based on certain assumptions and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, as described in our SAC filings, and actual future results may vary materially. Forward-looking statements in our press release issued this afternoon, along with our remarks on this call, are made as of today, December 10, 2020, and we undertake no duty to update them as actual events unfold. Today's remarks include... certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these measures are provided in the table included with our press release, which along with our quarterly report on Form 10-Q were filed this afternoon with the SEC and are also available on the investor relations section of our website at www.valeresorts.com. So with that said, let's turn to our fiscal 2021 first quarter results. Our results for the first quarter continued to be negatively impacted by COVID-19. In Australia, Hoffman Falls Creek remained closed for the entire quarter, following the issuance of stay-at-home orders by the Victorian government on July 8, 2020, resulting in a significant decline in revenue compared to the prior period. At Parashar, visitation trends improved relative to July 2020 as available terrain increased, but results continued to be negatively impacted by COVID-19 and related capacity constraints. In North America, our U.S. resorts experienced improved demand for leisure travelers throughout the quarter relative to the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020, but summer visitation remained well below historic levels. At Whistler Black Homes, demand remained significantly below prior year levels due in part to travel restrictions, but the Canadian border remained closed the entire quarter to international guests, including guests from the U.S. We continued to maintain disciplined and rigorous cost controls throughout the quarter to partially mitigate the reduced revenue levels. Resort net revenue for the first quarter declined $132.1 million compared to the prior year, while resort-reported EBITDA declined only $18.1 million over the same time period, reflecting cost reductions driven by a combination of reduced seasonal labor and expenses, as well as significant overhead cost-saving actions. First quarter resort net revenue includes the recognition of approximately $15.4 million of lift revenue related to the September 17, 2020, expiration of unredeemed credits offered to 2019-2020 North American pathholders, for which we deferred a total of $120.9 million of revenue from our prior year pass sales, and which would have otherwise been recognized during fiscal 2020. We expect to recognize the remainder of the deferred revenue associated with the credit offer as lift revenue primarily during the second and third quarters of fiscal 2021. Turning now to our 2020-2021 North American season pass sales. As we approach the end of our selling period, season pass sales for the North American ski season increased approximately 20% in units and were flat in sales dollars through December 6, 2020, compared to the prior year period, end of December 8, 2019, with sales dollars for this year reduced by the value of the redeemed credits provided to 2019-2020 North American pathholders. Without deducting for the value of the redeemed credits, sales dollars increased approximately 19% compared to the prior year, Past sales results are adjusted to eliminate the impact of foreign currency by applying an exchange rate of 78 cents between the Canadian dollar and U.S. dollar in both periods for Whistler Black Home past sales. Past sales are reduced by the amount of EPIC coverage refund requests processed through December 6, 2020, but do not include any estimated reductions for future EPIC coverage refunds. We are very pleased with the growth in our Season Pass program. particularly given the challenging circumstances surrounding the impacts of COVID-19. We expect that the total number of guests on all advanced purchase passes this year will exceed 1.4 million, including all passes for our North American and Australian resorts, demonstrating the significant loyalty of our guest base and the strong demand for our mountain resorts. Since September, pass sales exceeded our expectations, primarily driven by continued strong demand from destination guests, and significant growth in pass sales to guests who were not previously in our database, particularly in lower frequency epic day pass products. For the full pass sales season, we saw very strong unit growth broadly across our destination markets. We also saw solid unit growth in our Utah, Northern California, and Whistler markets, and in Colorado saw comparable performance to last year. The primary driver of our unit growth was from renewing pass holders. given the credit incentive offered for renewing guests, but we also saw strong growth in new pass holders, with particularly strong growth in pass sales to guests who were not previously in our guest database. We saw strong growth in our Epic Pass and Epic Local Pass products and very strong growth in our Epic Day Pass products, demonstrating both the guest loyalty we have created in our core programs and the success of our long-term strategy to move new and less frequent guests into our pass products. but we expect that some of our Epic Day Pass growth may be the result of the circumstances surrounding this season. We also believe that the growth from new guests into our Pass products this year will accelerate our ability to move guests into advanced commitment into the future. The success of our total program this year has been supported by the value proposition of our Pass products and the steps taken to address the current environment, including our Passholder credits, extended deadlines, the reservation system, new Epic coverage program included with the purchase of every past product for no additional charge, continued data-driven marketing efforts, the inclusion of peak resorts in our network, and a second year offering our broader Epic Day Pass product. The safety of our guests, employees, and communities continues to be our top priority. As previously mentioned, we implemented operating procedures that we believe will enable us to operate safely across our 34 North American ski resorts throughout the season, including the implementation of a reservation system for our guests. Currently, the reservation system, which opened to pass holders on November 6, 2020, and lift ticket purchasers on December 8, 2020, continues to have available capacity for almost all days during the core season across our resorts. The reservation system and our contingency planning around our operation has positioned us to react quickly to the changing circumstances surrounding COVID-19 restrictions across our resort jurisdiction, which we expect will continue throughout the season. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Michael to further discuss our financial results, liquidity, and fiscal 2021 outlook.

Thanks, Rob, and good afternoon, everyone. As Rob mentioned, our results for the first quarter were significantly impacted by COVID-19 and the resulting impacts to our Australian and North American mountain resorts. Net loss attributable to bail resorts was $153.8 million, or a loss of $3.82 per diluted share for the first quarter of fiscal 2021, compared to a net loss attributable to bail resorts of $106.5 million, or a loss of $2.64 per diluted share in the prior year. Resort reported EBITDA was a loss of $94.8 million in the first fiscal quarter, which compares to resort reported EBITDA loss of $76.7 million in the same period in the prior year, primarily as a result of the negative impacts of COVID-19. Our liquidity position remains strong to mitigate further disruptions from the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, with total cash and revolver availability as of November 30, 2020, of approximately $1.2 billion, with $614 million of cash on hand $419 million of U.S. revolver availability under the Bail Holdings Credit Agreement and $169 million of revolver availability under the Whistler Credit Agreement. As of October 31st, 2020, our net debt was 4.1 times trailing 12 months total reported EBITDA. We continue to expect to have sufficient liquidity to fund operations through at least the 2021-2022 ski season, even in the event of extended resort shutdowns. Now turning to our outlook for fiscal 2021. Given the uncertainty COVID-19 has created for travel demand, operating restrictions, and the ultimate visitation to and spending at our resorts, the company will not be providing full year guidance for fiscal 2021 at this time. That said, we are very pleased with the results of our season pass sales and the strong foundation of visitation and revenue that creates heading into the season. Given the challenging dynamics associated with COVID-19, we continue to expect material declines in visitation to our resorts and associated revenue declines in fiscal 2021 relative to our original expectations for fiscal 2020, primarily as a result of expected declines in visitation from non-pass lift ticket purchases due to reduced destination visitation with more material declines specifically among international guests. While we expect that mandated capacity limitations will have a negative impact on our visitation during peak periods, we expect the primary driver of visitation declines for the North American ski season to be a result of reduced travel demand. We expect additional negative impacts to visitation in select regions where heightened restrictions exist. including Whistler-Blackcomb, given Canadian border closures and domestic travel guidance, and Vermont as a result of the quarantine policy for out-of-state travelers. We also expect significant negative financial impacts on our ancillary lines of business, materially in excess of the decline in visitation, as a result of significant COVID-19 limitations and restrictions, particularly in food and beverage and in ski school. In food and beverage, we have recently reduced capacity at our restaurants and have limited many of our on-mountain restaurants to grab-and-go options. In ski school, we've reduced group sizes and at many resorts eliminated full-day and other select lesson types in response to COVID-19 limitations and restrictions. Since the start of COVID-19, discipline cost management has been a primary focus, with significant actions taken to date to tightly manage our costs with reduced revenue expectations. We've implemented operating plans that actively manage our expenses while maintaining a high quality experience for our guests. And we remain confident in our ability to deliver against the cost structure variability previously outlined in our September 2020 earnings release. I'll now turn the call back over to Rob.

Thanks, Michael.

We remain committed to reinvesting in our resource, creating an experience of a lifetime for our guests and generating strong returns for our shareholders. We plan to maintain a disciplined approach to capital investments, keeping our core capital at reduced levels given the continued uncertainty due to COVID-19. We will announce our complete capital plan for calendar year 2021 in March 2021, but we are pleased to highlight several signature investments planned for the 2021-2022 North American ski season, which were previously deferred from calendar year 2020 as a result of COVID-19 and are subject to regulatory approvals. In Colorado, we plan to move forward with a 250-acre lift-served terrain expansion in the McCoy Park area of Beaver Creek. The new lift access beginner and intermediate bowl experience is a rare opportunity to expand with highly accessible terrains in one of the most idyllic settings in Colorado and will further differentiate the high-end family-focused experience at Beaver Creek. At Breckenridge, we plan to install a new four-person high-speed lift to serve the popular Peak 7. This additional lift will further enhance the guest experience at the most visited resort in the U.S. and will significantly increase guest access and circulation for the intermediate terrain on Peak 7 and 6. At Keystone, we plan to replace the four-person Peru lift with a six-person high-speed chairlift in order to increase capacity out of a key base area of the resort and improve guest access, circulation, and the experience at one of the top-performing resorts in the U.S. At Crested Butte, we plan to replace the two-person fixed-grip Peachtree chairlift with a new three-person fixed-grip lift that services beginner terrain at the base of the resort and will improve uplift capacity. Additionally, we plan to improve the grading of the terrain serviced by the Peachtree lift to create a more consistent experience for our beginners and ski school guests. At Okemo, we plan to complete a transformational investment, including upgrading the quantum lift from a four-person to a six-person high-speed chairlift, relocating the existing four-person quantum lift to replace the Green Ridge three-person fixed-grip chairlift. These investments will greatly improve uplift capacity, further enhance the guest experience, and complete our $35 million capital plan for Triple P. We will also continue to invest in company-wide technology enhancements to support our data-driven approach and corporate infrastructure, which will improve our scalability and efficiency as we work to optimize our processes, business analytics, and cost discipline across the network. In particular, we intend to invest in a number of upgrades to the infrastructure of our guest contact centers and bring a best-in-class approach to how we service our guests through these channels. Our call centers and chat functionality were not well-suited to handle the more than four-fold increase in call and chat volume we saw over the past six months, which created a challenging experience for our guests. We will also continue to invest in ongoing maintenance capital to support our infrastructure across our resorts. We plan to spend approximately $4 million on integration activities, primarily related to peak resorts. In total, we expect our capital plan for calendar 2021 will be approximately $110 million to $115 million, excluding one-time items associated with integration, and $11 million of reimbursable investments. Including these one-time items, we expect our total capital plan will be approximately $125 to $130 million. We will continue evaluating our calendar year 2021 capital plan as the season progresses, including potential opportunities to increase the planned level of investments, and we'll be providing further detail and updates in March 2021. We remain confident in the long-term prospects of our business model that is built on the loyalty of our guests, the strong lineup of season pass products that provide access to our irreplaceable network of world-class resorts, and the sophisticated data-driven marketing approach we use to communicate with and attract our guests. Our strong capitalization positions us to continue to invest in our people, our resorts, and the guest experience while remaining flexible to manage through the evolving circumstances caused by COVID-19. I would like to thank all of our employees for their passion, hard work, and commitment to creating a safe, exceptional experience for our guests. While this always lies at the center of our success, it has never been more tested than over the challenges of the past nine months and in what lies ahead for the upcoming season. I take tremendous pride in our team's full engagement in balancing the new needs and requirements of all our various stakeholders in an ever-changing internal and external environment. While nothing we do is ever perfect and it can always be improved, it's very clear how all of your efforts consistently remain guided by the same core values that have been at the center of our company since its founding. At this time, Michael and I would be happy to answer your questions. Operator, we are now ready for questions.

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, please press star 1 to ask a question. We ask that you limit yourself to one initial question and one follow-up. We'll take our first question from Felicia Hendricks with Barclays.

Good afternoon and thanks as always for all the color. The first question I have is on your upside surprise on the season pass sales. As you outlined, the major difference between your original expectation was the destination demand and then the new demand, particularly in the day passes. Just wondering, is there any way to kind of parse through that? Like when you gave the guidance for where you thought season pass sales would end up in last quarter, you know, what were you expecting to happen and what was different? I mean, if you just give us more information, I mean, you told us what was different, but if you can kind of parse through that. And then also, I see that you just extended the cutoff date for the past overall. So, you know, why?

So, I guess on the first piece, what I would say is we, I guess there were two components. One component was, you know, the renewal pass holders and we felt like we had pulled forward a lot of renewals and that we were not going to see as many renewals from September through December as we did last year and that turned out to be true. I think the second piece was trying to assess the conversion of people who were in our database either in a lapse pass or paid ticket last year or lapse paid ticket and trying to assess their propensity to buy a path this year. And I'd say we were, again, largely in line with that. I think the hardest thing for us to forecast was people who are not in our guest database at all, so we don't really have any history on them to assess. We do, obviously, pull new people in every year. Obviously, there was a case to be made that because of lift tickets, you know, being more restrictive this year, that maybe we would move some of those folks. And on the other hand, because of COVID-19, you know, these would typically be the lower probability convergent opportunities for the company. And so I think we were, you know, just conservative about that given the environment we were going into. And ultimately, it was really that group that drove a lot of the upsides you know, from our expectations in September that we saw, particularly in the Epic one to three-day products. And obviously that product is only in its second year. You know, we had high hopes for that product when we launched it to do exactly what it did this year. But again, hard to always tell when something's that new and even harder when you're in the middle of a pandemic. But obviously we're quite pleased to see that. On the past deadline, the past deadline was, scheduled to be December 6th and it was kept at December 6th. I think the only thing that we did was we extended for about a week the opportunity for people to pick their EPIC coverage priority reservation days so that we just gave people a little more time to, you know, make the selection in terms of how EPIC coverage would work for their situation.

Okay, thanks. And then just can you

Can you remind us, you know, for Whistler, what percentage of that is of your visitation and or EBITDA? And then overall, what percentage of your, I guess, visitation is destination versus local?

Yeah, we don't break out, you know, by resort at this point because of... because of the nature of the Epic Pass being allocated across the entire network. If you look at where Whistler was when we did the deal, roughly about half of their business came from the U.S. or international. So it was about half domestic Canada and about half non-Canadian Canada. and that's about as much as we can provide at this point.

Okay, and then just on the overall company, what percentage of your visitation is destination versus local?

Yeah, we actually haven't updated that with peak, so I don't have a new number for you on that. We were, for our destination resorts, We skewed a bit over half on destination versus local in our last numbers that we put out.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Sean Kelly with Bank of America.

Hi, thanks everyone. Good afternoon. Rob, just to kind of stick with the first part of the last question, wondering if you could just give us a little bit of color when you talk about this new customer cohort that sort of came into the past. I mean, I know you don't know that much about them, but I think you've broken them down a little bit by the type of product that seems like they're most attracted by the one- to three-day product. But are they regional or destination in nature just for that new cohort? Or what are you thinking about how valuable that group set could be kind of going forward even after the season?

Yeah, I would say very much a destination guest. We certainly do know that. And I think coming from a broad array of markets across the country, and, you know, I think this is, again, something, I think the good news for us was, obviously, we had already put, you know, designed this product, introduced it, put it forward last year, so we had, you know, marketing approaches, even though we didn't have their contact information, obviously, we have other channels that we try and reach people, so we had that out there, and I think, you know, it turned out to be exactly the right product for this market right now, and that I think a lot of these folks were planning clearly to take a trip. You know, I don't know whether they were only planning to come for a couple of days or maybe they were, you know, are planning a potential longer trip but figured they would lock in a couple of these days up front at an attractive value for them and obviously be able to get into the reservation system early. So, you know, they may add days as the season goes on. I think we'll learn all that as the season progresses. But, again, I would say, you know, this was, you know, when we talked about the Epic Day Pass and launched it, this was really exactly what we were looking for. And I think no doubt that the pandemic, for those people who are committed to coming, clearly this was a product that was an opportunity. And I think, you know, more broadly, it certainly appears as though, you know, for people who are looking to take some kind of trip over the winter and have potential interest in a winter vacation, I just think this, you know, being outside, being outdoors, you know, into an experience that they may be aware of clearly resonated.

Second question would just be like, you know, this one's a little bit more theoretical, but if we fast forward to next year and, you know, travel has returned or is kind of by and large normal by next ski season, what are your thoughts around how you think the retention rate could play out? Because this year, Obviously, between both the discount of what you saw or the credit, I should say, on what you gave coming out of last season, combined with I think the reservation pattern and a variety of other things, it worked really well on your ability to retain existing people. Do you think this can stay at an elevated level? Have you learned some things about this, or would you expect it to mean revert closer to historical levels and sort of why are you thinking what you're thinking?

Yeah, I think it's still probably a little bit early for us to have any, you know, kind of final views on this because, you know, we're still digesting and analyzing obviously the results that ended, you know, just, you know, a little over a week ago. But what I would say is that I think no doubt that there were the credits clearly helped. And I think in particular helped with people who, you know, were low frequency steers, you know, during the COVID year. Um, uh, and, um, and, and certainly helped, I think we accelerated and certainly helped retain, I think some of our, um, even high frequency skiers, uh, for season products because of the minimum 20% credit. Uh, and obviously it certainly helped, uh, that people understood that there was a benefit to getting an early, you know, on the other hand, it's really important to not overlook this. We are in the middle of a very uncertain travel environment. And so on balance, I think, you know, there'd be huge benefit, I think, to us in having a more normal environment that we would be selling into, you know, where the focus on all, you know, restrictions, understanding the experience, understanding, you know, things like epic coverage, which typically are nowhere near as important as it was this year. I think all of that would allow us to honestly flex a little bit more in other areas. So how that balances out next year, you know, I think that's certainly a little bit hard to say right now. But I mean, to me, the most important thing is that, you know, in the middle of COVID-19, when I think a lot was at risk, we were able to retain, right, these core customers and actually introduce new people into the program. And, you know, as you know, having their data um, having them, uh, as a path holder, you know, once obviously dramatically improves our ability to market to them and to retain them for the future. So, you know, I think, and, and a lot, and by the way, the prospects that we brought in, uh, you know, these people who are not in our guest database before that there was no credit for them. Obviously there was no discount offered to them. They were getting the same product as everybody else. So, um, I think on balance, we walk away from this feeling very good exactly how the map will work out. I think what we've seen and we'll have probably more to say about that as we go into next year, but I think we leave this selling season quite positive about where the program is going.

Thanks for that. Last thing I would have would just be, could you talk a little bit about, there were some headlines out regarding Lake Tahoe this morning and you know, possible, you know, kind of stay-at-home orders in California and how that could impact, you know, sort of the broader operating activities. But I imagine it's something we're going to have to struggle with possibly around the portfolio, given, you know, some dense urban towns. You talked about Vermont a little bit, which has some, I think, some very confusing policies. So can you just talk a little bit about kind of what you know right now on some of the like regional or local operational challenges and kind of how you're exactly contending with this or dealing with it at the resort level, you know, just for the season kind of as it comes or based on what you know right now?

Sure. And I, you know, I would say number one, yes, I do think that we will be having to navigate these ever-changing restrictions and new regulations throughout the portfolio and at every resort, with every community, in every locale throughout the season. And I do think, you know, that right now, certainly a lot of those changes are ones that are making further restrictions, right, on the kind of activities that people can do and what we can do at the resort. But I think we also should assume that there's probably going to be some positive trends, too, at some point, you know, during the season. So we may see some loosening as well. And I know all of our communities and our company are focused on partnering, right, to obviously bring down the caseload, you know, everywhere. So in the end, you know, I think we will, you know, we'll see kind of both sides of this. And I think from an operational standpoint, no, it's one of the reasons why I said what I said at the end of my remarks about our employees. I think this does put tremendous strain and challenge on you know, the company as a whole and everybody, right, to try and address these. I think the one advantage that I think we have is, you know, we went in with a lot of preparation on a lot of fronts, you know, the reservation system. We have a number of central teams that are constantly monitoring everything that's going on that are heavily engaged with all of these local regulators, local public health, all of that. And so we can use that information and we can obviously, again, also take a kind of best practice approach because we understand. We've already seen what's going on in Tahoe. If something like that shows up somewhere else, then we know how to address it, and we can immediately put that in place. And that's a real advantage, I think, by having a number of resorts and having this central approach that we have because it's central from the standpoint that we can kind of push it out, but actually each of these resorts, as they go through whatever new restrictions gets enacted, they become really the leader of that for the rest of the company. So, you know, I feel like we're well prepared, but there's no doubt that this is going to be operationally a very challenging season ahead.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. I wanted to ask about how the mechanics are going to work on the reservation system in the event someone can't get a reservation on the day that they want. Does that trigger a refund process, or just how does that work?

The way the system works, and again, I'm going to, of course, caveat anything on this to the terms and conditions, of course, on the program that are on our website. But in shorthand, what I'd say is, yeah, we had a time period through December 7th where all of our householders had the opportunity to go out and get reservations. And to the extent that they were not able to get the days that they wanted, they had the opportunity to then get a refund through December 7th. And so to the extent that they did, then that's something that obviously we're going to now review. And, you know, we'll look at, obviously, what comes in and, you know, make sure that it aligns with all the terms and conditions. And then, you know, we'll, of course, follow through with the guests on that. Going forward from here forward, you know, if they can't make a new reservation that they want, that in and of itself does not create a refund of that.

Okay. Very helpful. And then I realize it's still very early in the season, but as you kind of comb through your your databases and where folks are showing up or making reservations. Is there any hard data yet to validate the thesis that people are staying closer to home and folks from New York are going to Vermont more so than they're maybe going to Vail? Again, I know it's early and you haven't really hit the peak holidays yet, but is there anything out there to kind of figure out the magnitude of how close to home people are staying?

Yeah, I think it's definitely too early to make any assessments of that. I do think from some of the reservation data that we're looking at, I think that our destination guests are absolutely looking to potentially travel to the West, and there's no doubt that the biggest numbers of reservations, of course, are in our biggest Western resorts, and especially where Whistler is not an option really for many people within the U.S., I think that that, of course, will put more, you know, interest, I think, in our Colorado and Utah resorts. So at the moment, you know, I think we'll see how this plays out. But right now, given the strong, you know, momentum that we saw, again, broadly across our destination markets, right, you know, many of our destination markets, most of our destination markets, you know, don't have an option for them to scheme close to home. So, obviously, these are folks who are willing to either get on a plane or drive, you know, a longer distance out to our resort.

Okay, very helpful. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Laurent Veselescu with Exane B&P Paribas.

Oh, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. On the last call, an illustrative example was given that if resort revenues declined 30% for fiscal year 2021, we can expect resort EBITDA to be about $400 million. I'm just curious, any updated thoughts on that framework as we progress through the fiscal year?

No, at this time, no updates to it. As I mentioned in our earlier remarks and in the release, I think we've – you know, stayed very, very focused on our cost discipline and I think managed to that. You know, I think you can see the results of that in our Q1 results and, you know, certainly remain committed to managing through that as we, you know, go into the season here and no changes to the illustrative example that we provided in September.

That's great to hear. And then, Shifting focus here. Just curious, does COVID create an opportunity to take share or even potentially acquire some standalone mountains that might not be in good shape, might not have the same balance sheet that you have? Any thoughts on that front?

I think it's hard to say. I think that'll play out over the upcoming 12 to 18 months. I think we have seen in previous decades you know, events that are sometimes destabilizing that, you know, as after things stabilize, that people are sometimes interested in having strategic discussions again. Again, I think, you know, usually in the middle of the instability, sometimes tougher to have those discussions. But I think, you know, as, you know, as you come out of the other side, I think that's where there's an opportunity. And, you know, I think for us, We certainly, you know, when we look back historically, we were able to do a lot of things both internally and externally on the strategic side coming out of the 08-09 recession. And I think, you know, we're very focused on positioning the company to be able to make the most of whatever opportunities are out there. And certainly, you know, our our capital liquidity and access to capital, it has been a strength, maybe it's a more differentiated strength right now. And so leveraging that to make sure that we don't miss anything over the next 12 months I think is critical.

Very helpful. And lastly, I know this is a little over a year out, but Beijing will be hosting the Winter Games. And I believe Whistler is a sizable market for the Chinese consumer. How are you positioning yourself to leverage the games to attract more visitations from Asia, whether that's with your mountains in North America or maybe Australia and maybe some of the partnerships you have in Japan?

Yeah, I think it's one of the – primary reasons why amongst many that Whistler was such an attractive acquisition opportunity because we knew that long term they had such a good connection, the best connection I think in North America with the Asian market that we felt like that was an opportunity for us to really lead the way and I think at the resort level there are many things that the resort has done on many fronts whether it's around language or food or relationships with travel providers and wholesalers in China to continue to drive that business. Of course, we're a little bit on hiatus and pause during COVID and some of the travel restrictions, but I think once COVID is behind us, that's something we're absolutely going to re-energize all of those efforts. And yes, I think you know, an opportunity both through the partnerships and ultimately potentially through acquisition in Japan, you know, is critical. I think the same, yes, there's a real opportunity and they've seen that already in Australia. So again, I think, you know, the Chinese ski market is one of the, you know, maybe the best, right, biggest global opportunity in the entire ski industry. And, you know, all the moves that we make, you know, for the company strategically are oriented around making sure that we can get benefit from that trend. Very helpful. Thank you very much.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Patrick Scholes with Truist.

Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Question for you. I see that Eagle County is in the orange designation for COVID in Colorado and Summit County is in the red designation. Has the governor told you what would happen if those move to the highest level, purple? Would that impact the ability to run your lifts? Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, no. We obviously run communication at both the local, county, and state level on an ongoing basis. basis, high frequency dialogue. But, you know, other than what is out there in the regulations that are posted, no, we don't have additional information. And, you know, it isn't just, it's obviously decisions that would be made at both. the state level and at the county level. So both of those would ultimately be critical players in terms of whatever decisions are made if we move beyond that. But I can say, I think, you know, obviously both Summit County, Colorado and Eagle County are working very intensely to bring down the caseload and to get to a decreasing slope And I know that Eagle County is very focused, as we are, on keeping them in orange for right now. Whether that's possible, we'll see. And I know Summit County is working, obviously, to hopefully move from red to orange. So, again, a lot of work going on on every level, but exactly what the outcome will be or what their regulations would be if they moved to purple at this point, yeah, not 100% clear.

Okay. Thank you for the color on that. That's it.

Yeah.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from David Katz of Jefferies.

Hi. Afternoon, everyone. Congrats on the results. Thanks. You know, I've had a number of discussions of late, you know, around certain areas where, you know, there's an unusually high, right, and not at all surprising, you know, number of people either buying or renting homes you know, in areas like near your largest mountains. And, you know, presumably over the long term, you know, that population growth, right, if it remains permanent, is helpful. But I'd love to hear, you know, just a bit more thought about what happens in the near term. And then, you know, longer term, what you may be seeing along those same lines about people moving there and any, you know, evident, you know, impact on what you've published and results so far?

Yeah, I think certainly we would agree. I think we're seeing very strong demand, right, for resort properties and a lot of transactions, you know, in many ways probably the strongest demand we've seen since 2008 or 2007. And, you know, I think, yeah, people are looking for opportunities to be outside of many of the big cities because of COVID. You know, how that shifts, you know, as hopefully we put COVID behind us, I'm not sure. But I would say this. I think the work from home trend, right, using, you know, video technology and other technologies so that people can work remotely. You know, it would seem like that trend is clearly going to continue in some level. I think that's probably going to be true on some level for schooling, particularly in the higher education. And so, you know, to the extent that people are able to put themselves in vacation spots, you know, on a more balanced way throughout the year, and not just clustered into these peak times, I mean, that would be a huge benefit to, I think, the resort industry and obviously to our company. Because, you know, we still obviously do struggle to move people out of peak times and into off peak times. And to the extent that, you know, they're not as tied down to their job or potential school and can do things remotely, then obviously that would, you know, whether it's to buy real estate or it's just that people will travel in a more even way throughout the season. I think that could represent a major opportunity coming out of the COVID dynamic to the entire vacation industry, but particularly for our company.

Thank you. And with respect to the very near term, and apologies for the short-term question, which may bear some unknowns, should we find ourselves 30, 60 days, you know, down the road, and, you know, there are circumstances where, you know, the mountain is open, you know, but for whatever reason, you know, a person can't fulfill, right? They may have missed a reservation opportunity, or made one, and they can't fulfill, right, or can't get to the mountain. You know, I assume that there's some latitude within, you know, the program as it's laid out, And what I'm essentially getting at is the prospect that, you know, whether we would have any credits rolling into next season as well, potentially.

Yeah, I think at this point, you know, our, our view is that, you know, we tried, you know, our very best to make other coverage comprehensive and to, you know, address, you know, many of the most likely scenarios throughout the season. And, and, Yeah, we're hopeful that, you know, that will provide a support for our guests. You know, no doubt, like in any year, it won't be a perfect solution and it won't necessarily solve everybody's problem. But right now, obviously, we feel like, you know, it's a strong program that I think, you know, will be available to people when they need it. And I also think that in the end, you know, we're going to have, obviously, it's a long season. We're just at the very beginning. And I think, you know, a lot of our past products all of our past products are basically available throughout the season. And so that really gives people multiple opportunities to potentially take a trip. So I think that also helps in that we're not just talking about, you know, one situation. So at this point, I think, you know, that we feel good about where we are on that front.

Got it.

Thank you very much. Congrats.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Paul Golding with Macquarie Capital.

Great. Thanks so much for taking my question. So I was wondering if there was anything from the database that you could share around how many or what proportion of single-day lift ticket customers traded up into Just trying to understand to what extent maybe, if you have any color on this, the dynamic, Rob, that you were talking about earlier, maybe fear of not being able to get that priority without the pass contributed to tailwind for you in tearing people up into the pass network.

Yeah, I think at this point, again, a little too early in our process to have all those insights you know, perfectly dialed. And so I don't think I wouldn't comment on exactly the specific on it, but I guess I would say, you know, just seeing the dynamic with people who are not in the database, right, at all, and seeing the strength we have there, I'm sure that the urgency in terms of, you know, getting a priority done a ticket, you know, what was important to them. Now, that said, I'd also say that, you know, a lot of these folks came in towards the end. Not every one of them has made their reservations. And so I also have no doubt that part of this was the value proposition, you know, a big part. And so, you know, it's important to remember that last year, obviously, when we didn't have COVID, Epic Day Pass was a very strong performer for us because of the value that it offered. And so I think we're seeing that again now. No doubt helped somewhat. And I've no doubt that these are folks who in the absence of buying a pass would have been obviously our most likely lift ticket customer. But yeah, I don't have any additional information at this point to share on kind of the exact conversion for each guest type because there actually are quite a lot of them and quite a lot of dynamics both by product type For this year, prioritize the last year for geography and all those different points. So that's one of the things we'll obviously spend quite a bit of time on before we go into next year.

Got it. And then just a follow-on to that around the database. As you were going into the end of the selling season, is there any info you can give on – volumes or integration progress of any peak database uniques that you're able to carry over successfully and that you've been able to retarget or anything around essentially what the like for like there is as far as you being able to integrate more uniques into your own process.

You know, I can't really share specifics on that, but what I would say is I think we feel very good about this first year, right, you know, with having PEAK fully in the program and, you know, feel good about our results in the Northeast, I think especially given some of the restrictions that are in Vermont. And, you know, we feel like we've had a good first year with PEAK, a good first year with the database. I think what we've seen with other acquisitions is that often we see an acceleration in the second and third year because the data that we're getting, a lot of the history is that it's tougher for us to fully integrate than when we generated ourselves and have kind of cleansed ourselves and all that. So I think that's an opportunity for us as we go forward, but I feel good about that first year with Peace.

Great. Thanks so much. Thanks. Thank you.

We'll take our next question from Alex Marosha with Barenburg.

Good afternoon. Just one last question. Still waiting. Alex, we're actually having a bit of a hard time hearing you. You're breaking up a little bit. Is it any better now? Yeah, it is. Thank you.

Yeah, no problem. Last quarter you were still waiting on 75,000 or so online forms to process so you can get a sense of how many people were going to downgrade their passes and deal with some other random issues. Can you give us a sense of how many ended up downgrading and just in general what you're seeing across the portfolio?

Yeah, what I would say is I think on the forms piece we were able to convert, you know, quite a few of those folks into a past product, but not everyone. I think there were a number of people who whatever they were interested in or their form or whatever they were requesting wasn't something that we could ultimately fulfill. I wouldn't doubt that some people maybe decided not to proceed. But actually, you know, I think in total the forms were a nice contributor to our numbers, but it wasn't the total, you know, that we announced in September, which isn't a huge surprise to us. I think on the downgrade, no, I don't think downgrading was a material driver this year. I think the, you know, effective pass price or the difference between units and revenue was much more impacted by the fact that we had a lot of new people coming into very low frequency products. And that brought down the, you know, kind of average yield. But it wasn't necessarily that we saw a huge downgrade issue.

Okay. Understood. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Ryan Sunby with William Blair.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. I guess just to follow up on Paul's question a couple back there, when you look at the 20% increase in pass units for the year, as you look at that shape of growth here for the year, did that pace change at all during the final couple of weeks as we started to see COVID cases rise throughout the country? No. I mean, so we did not see any kind of impact broadly on the program, I think that we definitely saw better strength in, you know, outside the Northeast than inside the Northeast, I think, at the end. But, you know, whether that's, you know, that has something to do, I mean, obviously we still saw very good growth in the Northeast. So, you know, whether that was just timing or whether that was because of, you know, restrictions, I don't know. But we did not see, you know, any material declines or change in trajectory as we went into the final deadline that we, you know, at all, and certainly nothing that we would attribute to what we're seeing on COVID. Now that said, I think, you know, in terms of ultimate visitation to the resort from either pass holders or, you know, paid ticket holders, you know, it's still our belief that we will see a material impact there, you know, while, you know, these COVID restrictions are in place. But again, I guess that's to be seen. That's super helpful. And then, Rob, were there any key learnings or anything that surprised you in Australia that you can carry over here to the U.S. as you start the season for this year? You know, I think a few key learnings were, one, be prepared as best as you can. You know, obviously, this is such a unique environment that it's really tough to be prepared on everything and to, you know, try and forecast everything that could happen. But I think we felt like, you know, one learning was, yeah, the better we could get on systems, the better we could get to operate through whatever environment was thrown at us was very critical. I think we also saw, you know, in Australia that, you know, that there was still demand, you know, even in the middle of the pandemic there, there was still demand to come to the resort. There was still demand for passes. I think that gave us confidence. that if we gave people the right time, if we, again, leaned on our credit approach as a coverage, something that we introduced in Australia too, that ultimately those things would really help the business. And then I think insight. We took a lot of insight from all kinds of things from Australia and Missouri that I think really helped us plan. So there are a lot of data points that we took from especially from Perisher, you know, that we used, whether it was on pass sales, whether it was on, you know, who was going to show up, who wasn't, whether it was on how to do your food service, whether it was how to do ski school. So I think all of that gave us an advantage. And by the same token, you know, we opened Keystone as our first resort. And I think, you know, all 34 of our resorts in North America were immediately getting learning from Keystone when Breckenridge opened, immediately getting learning from Breckenridge. So I think, you know, our mountain ops team is doing a terrific job of really using this as, yeah, who can we learn from what? So that's, you know, again, a very positive, I think, for us as we try and navigate the tough environment. Great, yeah. I'll take advantage there.

Thanks for the time.

Yeah, sure.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Felicia Hendricks with Barclays.

Hi, thanks. I didn't get to wish you guys a happy Hanukkah, so I wanted to get back in the queue. No, I'm just kidding.

Happy Hanukkah to you, too.

Thank you. No, I actually did have a substantive follow-up. Look, I know it's really early in the season, so you might not have that much data, but I was just wondering, you know, given all the restrictions, you know, we hear certain anecdotal things, so just wondering if you could talk about your satisfaction scores so far to the extent there are any.

Or so, oh, with guests. Yeah, I think it's definitely too early. It's tough to comment on. I think, you know, we, you know, I'd say, but anecdotally, I think there are a lot of people, one, who are thrilled to be outside, beyond, to be skiing. People who are just looking at this as, you know, a great opportunity for them, their family, their friends to be together. You know, I mean, again, anecdotally, a lot of the people who I know talk to over time You know, I mean, these are obviously people who are more accustomed to skiing, but, you know, everybody still wants to come out or go to whatever resort they can go to. So I think, you know, having had limited options over a long period of time, I think people feel like this is one that they want them and their family to still pursue. You know, there's definitely, you know, chatter about mask wearing. You know, we are doing our very best to have very strict compliance with face coverings. But obviously, just like everybody else, that's going to probably remain as a challenge over the whole season. But I think we now have the most alignment we've ever had with all of our local community partners in terms of, yeah, it's clear that these are things we have to do. I think people also understand that there are certain things we can't deliver, and I think they get that. You know, I think one of the things we mentioned in the release and we're going to talk about a little bit more is that, you know, we have a lot of people with questions that are calling our call center trying to talk to our, you know, reservation agents and things like that. We've been overwhelmed and really don't have the infrastructure to fully support that. I think that's been probably the biggest challenge on the guest service side that we've seen and one that, you know, we're obviously going to address and fix and just, you know, couldn't do that in time for this fall. But, But I would say, broadly speaking, we feel really good about where we sit, given, again, the environment that we're dealing with.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Yeah, thanks. Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would like to turn it back to management for closing remarks.

Thank you, operator. This concludes our fiscal 2021 first quarter earnings call. Thanks to everyone who joined us today. Please feel free to contact me or Michael directly should you have any further questions. Thank you for your time this afternoon, and goodbye.

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