2/21/2023

speaker
Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Manitowoc fourth quarter 2022 earnings call. My name is David and I'll be your conference operator today. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there'll be a question and answer session. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Ion Warner, Senior Vice President of Marketing and Investor Relations. You may begin.

speaker
David

Good morning everyone and welcome to the Manitowoc conference call to review the company's fourth quarter 2022 and full year 2022 financial results and business update as outlined in our press release yesterday. Participating on the call today are Aaron Ravenscroft, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Regan, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's webcast includes a slide presentation which includes a reconciliation of GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures as referenced in the call. This can be found in the investor relations section of our website under events and presentations. We will reserve time for questions and answers after prepared remarks. I would like to request that you limit your questions to one and a follow-up and return to the queue to ensure everyone has an opportunity to ask their questions. Please turn to slide two. Please note our safe harbor statement in the material provided for this call. During today's call, forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 are made based on the company's current assessment of its markets and other factors that affect its business. However, actual results could differ materially from any implied or actual projections due to one or more of the factors, among others, described in the company's latest SEC filings. The Manitowoc Company does not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement, whether the result of new information, future events, or other circumstances. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Aaron.

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Thank you, Ion, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to slide three. After a tough third quarter, I was really pleased with how our team rose to the occasion in the fourth quarter to deliver strong results despite significant adversity. As we entered the quarter, we felt confident that our shippable backlog and inventory levels would allow us to hit the low end of our guidance. The hard work of our team and a bit of luck with parts and vessel availability helped us end the year even stronger than we expected. For the full year, we generated slightly above $2 billion in sales and $143 million in adjusted EBITDA, a 23% increase year-over-year. Overall, this is a great achievement in an extremely difficult operating environment. I would like to extend my deepest appreciation to the Manitowoc team for a job well done. From a strategic standpoint, we increased non-new machine sales by 22% to $545 million for the year. Suffice to say, I'm pleased with our progress on cranes plus 50. Concurrently, we continue to invest heavily in new products throughout the year. In 2022, we launched nine new cranes and continue to develop several new digital and energy-saving technologies. These efforts are important because they help grow the number of our cranes in the field, which will inevitably be the foundation of future aftermarket growth. Please turn to slide four. Manitowoc has made big improvements on ESG relatively quickly thanks to our team's creativity and their application of the Manitowoc weigh tools. As we say, what gets measured gets improved. Working around cranes can be high risk, whether on the shop floor or on job sites. So health and safety remains a constant focus of Manitowoc. In 2022, we completed over 87,000 safety observations, the highest number in our history. Our recordable injury rate was 1.53, which is slightly lower than the previous year, and our lost time incident rate was 0.92, or 10% lower than the previous year. While these results are encouraging, we still have more work to do. To be clear, the goal is zero injuries. In addition, we continue to improve our sustainability. As an example, all of our manufacturing facilities have achieved ISO 50001 certification, which is a global energy management standard. And we met our 2025 normalized greenhouse gas emissions target three years ahead of schedule. We also reduced the amount of waste we send to landfills by 36% year-over-year by reusing welding slag and improving waste sorting and recycling among other actions. When it comes to the environment, I am relentless in pushing for real changes to improve our carbon footprint. Manitowoc's greatest asset is its talented team of diverse employees and leaders. In 2022, we expanded our supervisory leadership program to include team members from our acquisitions. We kicked off the Manitowoc Women's Resources Group to assist in professional development and retention of women. And in our Shady Grove facility, we continue to enhance our outreach to the local Hispanic community through ESL grassroots networking and recruiting efforts. And last but not least, we are extremely proud to be named one of America's most responsible companies by Newsweek. This award recognizes our hard work on ESG. Please turn to slide five. In October, we welcomed our board of directors to our facility in Wilhelmshaven, Germany to showcase our lean transformation. As a reminder, this plant comprises 11 buildings, which spread across almost 50 acres. Going to Project Flu seven years ago, we set out to change the entire flow of this factory and embarked on a multi-year capital investment project to improve its overall operating results. By deploying all of the methodologies in our lane toolbox, combined with the team's true metal, we reduced the distance a crane travels through the manufacturing process by 66% or three miles. Thank you to everyone that contributed to this successful transformation. The board was quite impressed with their visit. Lastly, I would like to recognize Dan Guo, engineering project manager in China, and the three operations leaders from the team in Italy, Alessandro Duto, Diego Meraboto, and Alessandro Macario, who all won the 2022 CEO Award for the Manitowoc Way. They are exemplary leaders who embody the Manitowoc Way values. A big congratulations to these leaders. Please move to slide six. Turning our attention to the market, we generated orders of $708 million during the fourth quarter. which was a big jump year over year. Long story short, I don't believe that the fourth quarter signals an inflection point for crane demand. It was more about pricing and mix. In terms of units, our orders for the fourth quarter were relatively flat year over year and included a couple large orders from dealers securing 2023 build slots. Through the first six weeks of 2023, order intake was in line with the monthly run rate of $150 million that we saw for much of 2022. On a regional basis, the Americas is steady. The other inventory levels remain sufficient, utilization rates at the crane operator level have been strong, and rental rates are inching up. That said, there remains a lot of uncertainty driven by rising prices and interest rates. Meaningful projects associated with the infrastructure and semiconductor bills have not yet started in earnest, and the oil patch is still slow. These tailwinds will manifest at some point, whether in 2023 or further in the future. In Europe, our customers remain cautious due to the Ukraine conflict and rising interest rates. The European mobile crane market has been positive, but this is more of a consequence of the delayed COVID rebound rather than an indicator that the market is robust. Additionally, there is a clear lack of confidence regarding the European tower crane market. Residential housing permits, one of the main drivers of tower crane demand, have slowed over the last several months due to rising interest rates and tighter loan conditions. For instance, in France, permits for new single-family homes declined sequentially 30% in the fourth quarter. And in Germany, we are seeing a similar trend. As for Asia Pacific, I returned to the region in December for the first time since the pandemic began and found that market sentiment varied widely between countries. For example, Southeast Asia is still pretty muted. A recent corruption scandal at Vietnam's largest real estate developer, VPT, has led to a crisis. Despite this setback, Vietnam is remarkably similar to China 20 years ago, and we remain optimistic about its future. In the fourth quarter, South Korea and Australia, which were hot the prior few quarters, were largely dormant due to higher interest rates. In South Korea, banks withheld financing in November and December to let the market catch up to the dramatic shift in interest rates. Fortunately, the situation has stabilized in January. We are encouraged that several semiconductor projects are ongoing in country and the Korean EPCs are well positioned to support major projects in Saudi Arabia. Australia is similar in that respect. Interest rates in the country spiked in the fourth quarter, alarming everyone. Since then, it appears that these issues have been resolved and higher commodity prices should bolster the Australian mining industry. Moving to China, the market has been very soft for several quarters. As the market reopens, we are in a wait and see mode. Please turn to slide seven. Finally, in the Middle East, the current environment is the most positive that I've seen in the region since I joined the company seven years ago. Last week, I met with several dealers in the region and visited The Line, which is one of 15 megaprojects underway in the city of Neom as part of Saudi Vision 2030. Saudi Vision 2030 is driving the mood across the entire region as it consumes much of the nearby construction-related resources to execute this immense initiative. To put this into perspective, the line will be a futuristic city that reaches 170 kilometers up and down the coast of the Red Sea. In terms of skyscrapers, it will be the equivalent to 4,000 one-world trade centers. Again, the line is just one of 15 megaprojects in which Saudi will invest more than $1 trillion. NEOM essentially has no population today, and by 2045, it's expected to have the infrastructure to support some 10 million people. This unprecedented initiative is just beginning to take shape, and we are actively working with our partners in the region to support it. Please move to slide 8. Before I turn the call over to Brian, I want to reflect on the progress we made on our 4 breakthrough initiatives during 2022. Our first initiative is to grow our European tower crane rental fleet to complement our new crane business. Over the last 3 years, we've invested $30M in growing our rental fleet, namely in Germany. Most recently, we kicked off a brownfield project in the UK where we'll be adding rental cranes to grow our market share and aftermarket footprint. Our second initiative is to scale up our tower crane business in China to serve the Belt and Road regions. In 2022, our team in China introduced our two largest tower crane models specifically engineered for emerging markets, the Poton MCT-805 and the MCT-1005. In fact, over 60% of our current production in the China factory consists of new models engineered by our local team in the last three years, which reinforces that this initiative is working. Our third initiative is to reinvigorate our all-terrain crane product offerings to grow market share, field population, and aftermarket revenue. Since launching this initiative, we introduced 10 new all-terrain models. Last October, we unveiled a four-axle 70-ton model and a four-axle 100-ton model. hybrid concept crane at the Bama Trade Show. Both models received excellent feedback from customers. Our new Grove Connect telematics solution, designed to equip crane owners and operators with real-time services and information, is getting good traction too. To support our all-terrain cranes in the field, we continue to hire additional service technicians in key markets and added a location in Spain. Additionally, we recently appointed a global leader to bolster our used crane sales, which benefits the aftermarket business. These efforts are part of our journey from being product-oriented to solutions-oriented. Our fourth initiative is to expand the aftermarket activities in the Americas. The Aspen and MGX acquisitions are fully integrated with excellent results. We modeled these two deals to generate $30 million of annual adjusted EBITDA, and they exceeded the target in 2022. The acquisitions were integral to our 22% increase in non-new machine sales year over year and have become a catalyst to drive growth in our aftermarket business. Since closing the acquisitions, we've expanded our regional coverage by opening a branch in Kansas City, and a Denver branch is scheduled to open soon. Our footprint currently comprises 16 branch locations in 13 states and over 150 field service technicians. Our overall strategy to grow the less cyclical, higher margin segments of the business is gaining momentum. With that, I'll pass it over to Brian for a financial update.

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Manitowoc

Thanks, Aaron, and good morning, everyone. Please move to slide nine. Beginning with orders, we exceeded our expectations during the fourth quarter with orders of $708 million, an increase of 15% from a year ago. The year-over-year increase was primarily driven by higher pricing and a couple of large dealer orders. This was partially offset by lower orders in our URAF segment as a result of near-term uncertainty as previously discussed by Aaron. Foreign currency unfavorably impacted orders by $31 million. Our December 31st backlog was relatively flat year-over-year at $1,056,000,000 and was unfavorably impacted by $25,000,000 from changes in foreign currency exchange rates. Sequentially, backlog increased $113,000,000 primarily due to the increase in orders I previously discussed. Foreign currency favorably impacted backlog by $32,000,000 from the prior quarter. Net sales in the fourth quarter were $622 million, an increase 25% from a year ago. The year-over-year increase was driven by pricing, the stronger shippable backlog entering the quarter, primarily in the Americas and URF regions, and incremental sales from our acquisitions, which helped drive our higher non-new machine sales. During the quarter, we caught up on a portion of the net sales missed from the prior quarter was previously communicated. Similar to the fourth quarter of 2021, during the last two weeks of the year, we were able to ship machines that were in flux, helping to contribute to the better than expected results. Net sales were unfavorably impacted, $31 million from changes in foreign currency exchange rates. SG&A expenses were relatively flat year over year at $79 million. However, last year included a $14 million charge related to a legal matter with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. On an adjusted basis, SG&A expenses as a percentage of sales was 13%, relatively flat year over year. SG&A expenses during the quarter were impacted by the triennial Obama trade show, which were offset by the favorable impact from foreign currency exchange rates. During the quarter, we recorded $172 million of non-cash impairment charges primarily related to goodwill. The impairment charges were the result of the prolonged low market capitalization leading up to and through the fourth quarter. Our adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $52 million, an increase of 51% year over year. The adjusted EBITDA margin was 8.3%, an increase of 140 basis points over the prior year, primarily due to the higher sales. Fourth quarter depreciation and amortization of $16 million decreased $2 million compared to the prior year. Our provision for income taxes in the quarter was $4 million. On an adjusted basis, our provision for income taxes was $7 million, or 21% of our adjusted pre-tax income. As a reminder, we have tax valuation allowances established for certain countries, and therefore losses in those countries are not available to offset income tax expense in profitable jurisdictions. Our GAAP diluted loss per share in the quarter was $4.10. On an adjusted basis, diluted income per share was 74 cents, an increase of 48 cents from the prior year. Turning to the full year, our 2022 orders totaled $2,096,000,000, a decrease of $71,000,000. On a currency-neutral basis, orders increased $21,000,000, driven by the impacts of our pricing actions and higher orders in the Americas, partially offset by the lower demand in our URAF segment. Net sales for the full year were $2,033,000,000, an increase of $312 million, or 18% year over year. The increase was primarily due to the impacts of our pricing actions, higher volume, and incremental sales from our acquisitions. Foreign currency unfavorably impacted net sales, $107 million for the year. Adjusted EBITDA for the full year was $143 million, an increase of $27 million year over year. As a percentage of sales, the adjusted EBITDA margin was 7%, an increase of 30 basis points over the prior year. Our gap diluted loss per share for the full year was $3.51. On an adjusted basis, diluted income per share was $1.06, an increase of 20 cents from the prior year. Moving to net working capital and cash flows, our net operating working capital increased year over year $30 million, or $45 million on a currency neutral basis, primarily due to inflation and supply chain constraints. As a percentage of sales, net operating working capital was 30%, an improvement of 370 basis points year over year. On a sequential basis, net operating working capital decreased $28 million primarily due to the improved shipments during the fourth quarter. Sequentially, foreign currency unfavorably impacted net operating working capital, $17 million. Moving to cash flows, we generated $80 million of cash from operating activities in the quarter, primarily due to the conversion of working capital to cash. Capital expenditures were $30 million, of which $20 million was for the rental fleet. As a result, our free cash flows in the quarter was $50 million. For the full year, we generated $77 million of cash from operating activities and free cash flows of $15 million. During the year, we invested $35 million in our rental fleet in the US and Europe, of which $21 million was for growth. We ended the quarter with a cash balance of $64 million, which was a decrease of $11 million from the prior year. Total outstanding borrowings under the ABL decreased $20 million during the year and $24 million during the quarter, leaving $80 million outstanding. Total liquidity improved to $296 million. Due to the strong adjusted EBITDA and operating cash flow during the quarter, our net leverage ratio was 2.2 times as of December 31, 2022, well under the targeted three times. Please turn to slide 10. As we look ahead to 2023, we expect our results for the year to be similar to 2022. While the U.S. market remains strong, a softening European tower crane market and continuing global supply chain challenges and inflation, namely labor costs, are headwinds for the year. In January, supply chain constraints were similar to what we saw throughout 2022 and are expected to continue in the near term. In addition, there remains considerable uncertainty with how quickly inflation will moderate and how interest rate hikes will impact customer demand. Based on this, our 2023 full-year guidance is as follows. Net sales of $2 billion to $2.1 billion. Adjusted EBITDA of $130 million to $160 million. Depreciation and amortization of $60 million to $65 million. Interest expense of $31 million to $33 million. Provision for income tax expense excluding discrete items, $13 million to $17 million. Adjusted diluting earnings per share of 35 cents to $1.15. Capital expenditures of $65 million to $75 million. With that, I will now turn the call back to Aaron.

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Thank you, Brian. Looking forward, as Brian said, and I will reiterate, in the short term, we expect inflation, supply chain constraints, and the impact from higher interest rates to be headwinds, which are included in our 2023 guidance. Please move to slide 11. To preempt everyone's favorite question on shortages, I unfortunately cannot say that they have improved. To give you some perspective, in our European tower crane factories, we had an average of 224 line item shortages in 2022. So far this year, our shortages have actually increased to over 300 line items, driven primarily by frequency drives, electronic components, and hydraulic parts, to name a few. However, we anticipate the effect of these headwinds will abate over the next 12 to 24 months. We expect 2023 to look a lot like 2022, but there are plenty of signs that a crane renaissance is on the horizon. Just consider the mega trends. Number one. China is reopening after stringent COVID lockdowns and is poised for a recovery. Number two, commodity prices remain strong, and in some cases, we haven't seen peak pricing yet as demand is poised to outstrip supply. Just consider the impact of electrification on copper demand. And at this time, there are no major greenfield mining projects on the horizon in Latin America, which would substantially increase production. In addition, I remain bullish on oil and gas as China reopens while the U.S. and Middle East have been slow to increase supply and Russian production remains inaccessible to most markets as a result of sanctions. Number three, in terms of infrastructure spending, the U.S. has a $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill and a $53 billion semiconductor bill that are only now beginning to manifest into project work. Number four, in Saudi Arabia, I saw with my own eyes last week that the government is moving at warp speed to invest $1 trillion to revolutionize how people live and to create a futuristic city with 10 million residents over the next 20 years. Imagine how many cranes it will take to build 4,000 one-world trade centers that stretch 170 kilometers across the desert through the sea and into the mountains. This will include the world's largest marina, a football stadium, a new airport, and many, many other projects. Number five, Europe will eventually rebound from the current downturn caused by the crisis in Ukraine. For example, even though housing construction has slowed in Germany, there is still a housing shortage of over 700,000 units. Furthermore, the shortage does not consider the influx of over 1 million refugees over the last 12 months. And number six, finally, crane fleets continue to age and are due to be refreshed. As we prepare for the eventual crane renaissance, the Manitowoc team remains focused on what we can control under the banners of the Manitowoc Way and Cranes Plus 50. I am confident that our four breakthrough initiatives will continue to benefit our shareholders and drive long-term growth. We expect to continue growing our non-new machine sales organically and through strategic acquisitions. Although we cannot exactly predict the tides of the global economy, I am confident that Manitowoc is well-positioned to capitalize on the eventual upturn in the crane cycle. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

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Operator

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, simply press the star key followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, press star 1 once again. We'll take our first question from Jerry Rivich with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

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Jerry Rivich

Good morning, Gary. Hi, Gary. Good morning, Aaron, Brian, team. Congratulations on the quarterback. Can I ask you, Aaron, to please expand the comments around the opportunity in the Middle East? What are your crane annualized revenues today, and what were they in the last peak, just so we can dimensionalize what that investment cycle might look like here?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, I don't think you can compare the two cycles. They'll be very different in nature, and normally we don't give out that level of detail. But those projects are just beginning. They're moving dirt at this stage, and they've got a lot of cranes on projects. But I don't think that we'll really start to see tenders come out until the fourth quarter of this year. So it's still early on.

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Jerry Rivich

Okay. Aaron, let me ask this way. So your tone on crane renaissance is as positive as I've heard you in terms of what's driving that. level of optimism, how much of that is what you're seeing in North America, use values, aftermarket sales, et cetera, versus the opportunity in the Middle East and elsewhere? Can you just put that into context for us?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, you know, I almost see it as a combination because I think that the stuff in the Middle East will come faster than what we're seeing in the U.S. I mean, things are in decent shape in the United States at this point, but we really haven't seen any big change from the semiconductor or infrastructure bills, and it's still very, very quiet. So I think it probably comes in waves, probably Middle East coming sooner than the U.S. But that being said, I think generally the stage is pretty well set in the U.S.

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Jerry Rivich

You got it. And in terms of the earnings cadence, 23 versus 22-year earnings were pretty back-end loaded. In 22, is there a chance if the supply chain execution changes? holds here that we might see a more balanced earnings performance first half of 23 versus back half of 23?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

You know, I think it's too tough to comment on the second half of this stage. For sure, we're seeing a slowdown in the European tire crane business. So when you think about where our backlog goes, I mean, there's still a lot of question marks in the second half. But I agree with your comments on the on the part shortage issue, it's just as challenging. So I think it's going to be difficult to comment on cadence. What do you think, Brian?

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Manitowoc

Yeah, and I think we generally see Q1 a bit slower after the strong Q4. And then Q3, we have the seasonality related to Europe. So I still think that's going to be a part of it. And as Aaron mentioned, the other piece is just how the tower crane business shapes up for the second half.

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Jerry Rivich

Okay, I appreciate it. Thanks.

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Operator

Next, we'll go to Tammy Zakaria with J.P. Morgan. Your line's open. Morning, Tammy.

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Tammy Zakaria

Hi, good morning. Hi, how are you? So I have a question on price-cost. Can you tell us what price-cost impact was in the quarter and what your expectations are for this year?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, so the impact was about $8 million in the fourth quarter. And for next year, we still have about $30 million to claw back.

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Tammy Zakaria

Got it. So you expect to claw back the entirety of it this year?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

And that's the goal. But I think when you look at the pricing front at the moment, we're still a lot of negotiations after all the price increases have been put forward. So we're going to go after it. And I don't think it's as simple as just adding back the $30 million.

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Tammy Zakaria

Got it. Okay, that's fair. And then in terms of your sales guide, any comments on what your price versus volume expectation is embedded in those, in that number?

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spk03

Brian?

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Manitowoc

Yeah, I think the volume number overall is relatively flat year over year. So, you know, there's definitely some price in there, but there's a decent amount of mixed change as well. as we talked about relative to towers in particular.

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Tammy Zakaria

Got it. Okay. Thank you so much.

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Seth Weber

Thanks, Danny.

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Operator

Next, we'll go to Jamie Cook with Credit Suisse. Your line is open. Morning, Jamie.

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Jamie Cook

Good morning. Hey, how are you? I guess first question, the non-machine sales increase that you saw in the year was fairly impressive. Can you talk to what your expectations are for 2023 and how we think about sort of that is a percentage of EBITDA or profit, just the business that tends to be more stable. So I guess that's my first question, if you could start there.

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, so I mean a big part of the driver last year was the acquisitions. Of course, we won't have those in terms of comps, but now we're pushing hard on organics while we try to line up the next acquisition. So we look at it month over month over month sequentially, but it's going to be a lot more singles this year than acquisitions. than the bump we had last year.

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Jamie Cook

Okay. And then just my second question. Sorry, go ahead.

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Manitowoc

No, I was going to say you can think about it like Aaron said, more organically growth. I mean, the 22% that we saw in 22 was really driven by the acquisitions.

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Jamie Cook

Okay. And then just two quick follow-ups. Any expectation on cash flow for 2023? And then, you know, Aaron, given some of the long-term favorable trends that could positively impact crane demand, what are you seeing at the dealer level in terms of inventory? Are they wanting to restock if they see some of these positive trends? And I'll get back to you after that. Thanks.

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Aaron Ravenscroft

You want to go first, Brian?

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Manitowoc

Yeah, I can go with cash flow. So cash flow, we're thinking around $20 to $40 million of free cash flow for next year. But one of the big things that might drive that is really where the demand is. A big portion of our working capital, our investment, it goes into inventory. So depending on where demand is in the second half of the year and going into 2024, that can change pretty significantly.

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Aaron Ravenscroft

And in terms of the dealers, I think they're in decent shape in the U.S. They're all pretty well lined up in terms of our build schedules. In Europe, especially on the tower cranes, we've definitely seen a slowdown and they're loaded up. I mean, the inventory that they would have taken in the fourth quarter, they really haven't started to move. I'm speaking specifically in Germany for some of the smaller tower cranes. Right now is the time that those usually move quickly as you head into the spring months, but that's been pretty slow at this stage. And that's what's got us nervous about the tower crane business.

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Jamie Cook

Okay, thank you. Thanks, Jamie.

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Operator

Next, we'll go to Steve Volkman with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

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Steve Volkman

Good morning, Steve. Hi, Steve. Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking the question. I'm curious, just as we sort of look back at 2022, any interesting share shifts in your view, either geographically or product-wise?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

I wouldn't say that there was anything drastic. I mean, I think the biggest difficulty right now when looking at market shares is normally based off of shipments. And so many of us have all these supply chain constraints. You also have shipment constraints. So I think it's tough to really think through the market share numbers and make good sense of them.

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Steve Volkman

Okay, thanks. And then just back to kind of the margin, I guess your margin outlook is up about 10 basis points or something, if my math is right. And I guess I might have thought it would be a little higher only because it felt like your backlog, sort of the prices you were quoting and the price cost and the backlog, as we talked about that in sort of 3Q, felt like it would be improved going into 23. So Is the underlying margin actually up a little bit more and then the mix of towers sort of brings us back to break even?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, it's definitely the biggest piece of it is the mix issue. And then there's other challenges out there. I mean, right now, we have two large facilities in France and everyone in France is striking over the recent bill that Macron is pushing for retirement age. So, I mean, there's some other underlying issues that we're still battling, just like productivity around part shortages, so.

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Manitowoc

Yeah, we're definitely going to see labor inflation in 23. Yeah.

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Steve Volkman

Okay, got it. And then the final one, I'll pass it on. When you talk about your crane renaissance, Aaron, and you talk about China, you talk about Saudi, et cetera, those sound mostly like tower crane kind of drivers. I don't know if you'd agree or disagree, but is there a bit of a kind of margin mix headwind as we look over the next few years because even with this crane renaissance?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, it'll be both. It'll be mobile cranes and tower cranes, just depending on the specific projects. So I think it's too early to comment on what sort of mix it ends up looking like.

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Seth Weber

Got it. Thank you. Thanks, Steve.

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Operator

Next, we'll go to Seth Weber with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open.

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Seth Weber

Morning, Seth.

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Seth

Hey, guys. Hey, guys. Good morning. How are you? Just going back to your supply chain comments, is there any way to quantify, you know, how much, whatever term you want to use, you know, red tag or hospital inventories or anything like that that you would call out that's kind of sitting around that's, you know, mostly done waiting for a couple parts that you could push out if the supply chain gets better or is it more just... No, I would say that, you know,

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Aaron Ravenscroft

The fourth quarter was a lot like the fourth quarter of 2021 where we had a lot of parts come in and, you know, a lot of those orphan cranes got shipped in the fourth quarter, not more than what we anticipated originally. So now it's cleared out and the game starts again.

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Manitowoc

Yeah, the revenue, so we were guiding to the low end of the revenue, which would have been about $2 billion. So you can, you know, our revenue beat from the $2 billion is really kind of that excess shipments that we were not expecting.

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Seth

got it okay that's that's helpful and then just on the um you know as you guys I heard the comment around used cranes a little bit can you just talk to um what you're sort of seeing in the used crane pricing market and what you think that you know might look like through 2023 just from a used pricing perspective

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, I mean, from our perspective, use prices have been up as folks have struggled to get machines out of the factory.

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Seth Weber

I think it continues to hold. Okay. All right, guys. That's all I have. Thank you.

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Operator

Thanks, Seth. Thanks, Seth. And next we'll go to Stanley Elliott with Spiegel. Your line's open.

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Seth

Hi, Stanley. Stanley. Congratulations, and thanks for the question. Can you talk a little bit more about Bama Show? I mean, the 15% improvement in orders. Is there a way to quantify how much of that's from some of the new products that you're coming out with, some of the parts of the market that maybe you felt like you had some gaps in the portfolio?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, I don't think it was necessarily reflected at the Bama Show. When I look at new products in total for the year, I mean, there were some all-terrains that got launched earlier in the year, but because they originally, we expected Bama to be in April. So I wouldn't say that there's much really to comment with respect to Bama.

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Seth

And I'm curious on the move on expanding, I guess, the rental fleet into the U.K. market. Can you talk about what sort of investments you would need there and how you think that that can ultimately progress?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, I mean, we like to go by step-by-step, and we'll be focused on supporting the major rental houses. They do RPOs and short-term rentals. I mean, it's within the context of our budget. So, again, I don't think it's anything extraordinary. It'll be a handful of cranes, and we'll go step by step just like we did in Germany.

speaker
Manitowoc

Yeah, the numbers are in the CapEx forecast that we provided.

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Seth

Yep. Great, guys. Thank you very much. Thanks, Stanley.

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Operator

And we'll move to our next question. Steven Fisher with UBS. Your line is now open. Morning, Steve. Thanks. Good to see you. Good morning.

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Steven Fisher

Just wanted to, Aaron, you mentioned that China is in a kind of a wait and see mode. I'm curious if you have any bias at this point about how this year plays out. Any more kind of recent data points that kind of give you a sense one way or the other of what's really going on there?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

No, I mean, I was just spent a week with the fellow who runs China for us and it's still pretty quiet. I mean, I think people are optimistic, but it's still too early to really say how it's going to play out.

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Steven Fisher

Okay. And then following up on Jerry's question about the Middle East, I'm wondering if you can maybe compare the Middle East opportunity to the European business, because it sounds like the European area is kind of one of the main concerns at this point. It might drag on for a little while, but yet on the Middle East, it sounds like it's one of the more quickly to to ramp up do you think the middle east business could sort of offset the kind of the weakness that you see in uh in europe and then kind of net net you know north america's kind of the rest of the swing factor yeah that's the hope i don't think it fully offsets it and they're much different cranes and bigger cranes i mean most of the cranes we'll send in the middle east they come from a mix of europe and and china factories

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Aaron Ravenscroft

But I think the big orders still, they'll be slow to come. I mean, it won't come until the fourth quarter. We've seen some orders related to those projects, but not in earnest as they will likely be.

speaker
Steven Fisher

And how is the competitive environment in the Middle East relative to Europe or other markets?

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Aaron Ravenscroft

Yeah, it's unusual because it's real mixed bag depending on machine availability. I mean, I've heard pricing sort of all over the map, including the Chinese market. So I think it really depends on the availability and how badly someone needs the crane. At this stage, I think that there's plenty of business to go around for everybody. So it's much more managed than it had been the last couple of years. I mean, the last couple of years, it was down and dirty, fighting over singular cranes, where now there's much bigger projects, I think, that'll help eat up everyone's capacity and keep pricing more reasonable.

speaker
Seth Weber

Terrific. Thank you. Thanks, Dave.

speaker
Operator

At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Warner for closing remarks.

speaker
David

Before we conclude today's call, please note that a replay of our fourth quarter 2022 conference call will be available later this morning by accessing the investor relations section of our website at www.manitowoc.com. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today and for your continuing interest in the Manitowoc Company. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

speaker
Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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