8/8/2024

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Operator

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to McEwen Mining's second quarter 2024 Operating and Financial Results Conference call. Presented from the company today are Rob McEwen, Chairman and Chief Owner, William Shaver, Chief Operating Officer, Perry Ng, Chief Financial Officer, Jeff Chen, Vice President, Finance, Stephon Spears, Vice President, Corporate Development, Michael Medding, Vice President and General Manager of McEwen Copper, and Carmen Teese, General Counsel and Secretary. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, please press star followed by number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key again. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Rob McEwen, Chief Owner. Please go ahead, sir.

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Rob McEwen

Thank you very much, Operator. Good morning and welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It was a quarter we've all been waiting to see. It was our most profitable quarter since 2016. It was a quarter where our gross profit was 10.8 million and adjusted EBITDA of 7.2 million versus losses recorded in the second quarter of last year. It was a quarter of improved financial liquidity. Our cash was up 77% to 40.7 million. Working capital was up 28% to 29.1 million. And our debt remained unchanged at 40 million since year end. It was a quarter of when both McEwen Mining and myself increased our investment in McEwen Copper. And based on the last financing, of McEwen copper, the implied value has risen to $947 million, which makes McEwen mining's 48.3% interest equal to $457 million. On a per share basis, that is $8.45 behind every fully diluted share of McEwen mining. It's worth noting that this value is greater than our entire market capitalization today. Last night, our closing share price was $8 on the NYSE. And I want to remind you that McEwen Mining also owns a portfolio of six royalties, where the largest is a 1.25% NSR on Los Azules. And we also own three cash-flowing gold and silver mines. Management has done an internal calculation for the value of our assets, and it ranges from a low of $20 a share to $50 a share. Q2 was a quarter when the investment outlook for Argentina improved dramatically. I'll call it Malay magic after the president, Malay. The Argentinian government approved the most important change for foreign direct investment in the country in the last 20 years. It involves lower taxes, removal of exchange controls, financial stability agreements, and more for major projects. The impact will be significant on McEwen Copper's Los Azules, NPV. And after the quarter, and appearing to take advantage of Argentina's legislative changes, the world's largest mining company, BHP, jumped into Argentina's copper scene in a very big way, leading a $4.4 billion transaction with Landin Mining to acquire Filo mining and its Filo del Sol deposit and the Jose Maria deposit. Not only is this transaction a tremendous expression of confidence in Argentina, but it also sets a new value for large copper deposits in the country. Based on the current published resources of Filo del Sol and Jose Marina. Los Azules has a deposit that is larger than the combined resources of both of those deposits and a higher copper grade. All three of these deposits are located in San Juan Province, a jurisdiction that the Fraser Institute ranks as one of the best for mining in South America. At this point, I'd like to open the call for questions and answers.

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Operator

Thank you. We are now opening the floor for question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1. Again, that's star 1 on your telephone keypad. We will pause for a brief moment while we wait for the questions to come in. Our first question comes from Jake Sikalski from Alliance Global Partners. Your line is now open.

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Jake Sikalski

Hey, Rob and team. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the quarter.

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Rob McEwen

Thanks, Jake.

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Jake Sikalski

So just starting with the ground conditions at Fox, I'm just curious, is this a one-off at a specific scope or are you seeing this in other areas underground as well?

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spk01

No, thanks for the question, Jake. No, it's a single area of the upper level of the mine. It's along the contact between ore and waste, and on the waste side, there was some less competent rock, which basically failed and once we once we realized exactly what was going on, we backfilled that area with cemented fill and so it's totally stabilized now and so the. The path forward is to. Define exactly how we're going to. recover the rest of that ore and that will be by using significantly smaller bites or significantly smaller sizes of stopes that that will have absolute control of. So you know, I don't think I don't think we have a big concern about it. You know, and and I guess the the mistake we made was. Uh, that we didn't recognize that that rock adjacent to that particular stop being waste was in fact as incompetent as as it turned out to be. So I think it's a one of that's, you know, now under control. We've had our rock mechanics consultants advising us on. You know how to put. say more security around what we're doing there. And, and, uh, I, you know, I guess I'm, I'm reasonably comfortable that we're, you know, that we're not going to see that again.

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Jake Sikalski

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. Thanks for that color. Um, and then just switching over to gold bar, um, you had a strong quarter there and it seems like turnaround efforts have really fully taken hold. Um, Do we expect, so I'll call it $1,500 an ounce ASIC going forward there? Or is there anything specific to Q2 that drove that major decrease in cost?

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spk01

Yeah, I don't think that there's anything that drove that cost down. It's basically because the production is, you know, I guess so far has been slightly above Our target and you know, so that's helping that. In fact, at the present time we're doing a significant amount of drilling. So far this year we've done about $5,000,000 of drilling so. That is also included in the cost there, so I think we anticipate that as. you know, as long as we can move the right amount of material, that the cost will stay in that same area or, you know, it might move up slightly, but it seems to be predictable at this time based on the data we have.

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Jake Sikalski

Okay, great. Thanks again.

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Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Elay from HSC Wainwright. Your line is now open.

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Michael Elay

Hey, Rob and team. Thanks for taking my questions. Hope all is going well. Good. Hi, Kyle. Hey, you talked quite extensively about Argentina in your prepared remarks, which is obviously pretty pertinent, but maybe can you give a little bit of color on your longer term internal tax outlook, given the special incentives that you had discussed? I mean, I guess What I'm saying is, internally, what are you looking at receiving? And is there a way for us to maybe quantify that?

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Kyle

Mike, do you want to address that question?

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Michael Medding

Sure. So we have done some interim calculations. What the REG application means for our alum, and by no means we would like to invalidate our existing PEA. But to give you an idea, the after-tax changes with the conservative application of the RIGI would be in the area of about more than 30%, $960 million. So this makes projects, which is not our case, but which makes other projects that were not that attractive now attractive, because what Argentina has done is and again based on companies and management estimate and has brought Argentina once qualified for the region which we believe for example we do on similar footing with overall tax burden such as Chile it also includes a couple of benefits that help significantly during the construction phase which is basically fast VAT recoveries. So those are the things that are very, very helpful for projects such as ours.

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Rob McEwen

It's helpful. Yeah, the tax rate is going from 35% to 25%. And there are other benefits. As Mike mentioned, VAT refunds accelerated. Fair enough. And customs importation is speeded up. Okay. It's a big move for us and others in the country.

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Michael Elay

Yeah, no, 100%. And, I mean, things seem to be actually getting done there from everything you read in the press. Profitability in the quarter was obviously – pretty good. What kind of cash flow should we expect additional investments into your asset base beyond what you're currently forecasting? Is there an internal gold price? Is there an internal cash flow metric that you have? Or is this sort of just a learning by doing thing where if excess funds are there, we'll figure it out then?

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Rob

Yeah, it's Perry. I mean, obviously, you know, we're constrained in our in our current environment by permitting. I mean, I think that's one of the things that, you know, drives our timeline. You know, we're only looking at projects that we think, you know, we have the balance sheet to execute on. So for us, you know, that is, you know, building the ramp back at the stock mine, which is which is going well. And we've raised, you know, the CDE for. Mexico, we would like to put back into production, but that's obviously subject to permitting. And as Bill said, at Gold Bar, we're spending money on exploration there, and we're having some tangible results, which we hope we can share in the future. But all these things, we hope, will provide incremental production increases over the coming years.

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Michael Elay

That's a very fair answer. Thank you very much. I'll get back to you. Thanks, Heiko.

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Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Kozak from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open.

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Mike Kozak

Yeah, good morning, Robin. Hello, good morning. Yeah, just a couple of questions from me. First, have you guys set a budget yet for the 2024-2025 exploration season at Los Azules? Or is it going to depend on how much of the $70 million comes in between now and the end of the year?

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Rob McEwen

We've done most of the drilling for the feasibility study. So the big drilling campaign is finished. We will be drilling, looking at that new deposit or new copper showing close to Los Azules. But it won't be anywhere near the type of expenditure we did this year.

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Mike Kozak

Okay, that's helpful. And then kind of a follow-up I had to that was, you know, how much do you have to spend on the technical work related to the feasibility study? We're looking at about $60 million for that. Six zero, of which you all have still in front of you or some has been sunk already? That's in front of us. Okay, that was it. Thank you for answering that. I'll turn it over. You're welcome, Mike.

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Operator

Our next question comes from Alan Barry from Rocks and Stocks News. Your line is now open.

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Alan Barry

Hi, Alan.

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Alan

Hello, and thank you for taking my call.

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Alan Barry

Oh, happy to.

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Alan

Every major mining company seems to be interested in getting into copper. The cupboard is fairly bare when it comes to copper development projects that rank in the size that a major would be interested in. With BHP and Lundin taking a run at CELO, I think it gives us some real-world valuation metrics. And I was wondering if you could shine some light on how Las Azulas compares to Pilo del Sol and what's in the deal?

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Rob McEwen

It compares very favorably. First of all, Las Azulas is at a lower altitude than either of Pilo del Sol or Jose Maria. Las Azulas is closer to infrastructure, major power lines and highways. We're at least according to a Goldman Sachs study of a PEA work, we were in the lowest cost quartile, and Jose Maria was in the highest. Of course, that might change now if they consolidate those two properties and develop them concurrently. You'll see some reduction in capital. Los Azules will probably be significantly less capital because we're going to be a heat leach operation as opposed to a conventional milling operation, so much less capital. Based on the published resources of Philo and Jose Maria, we have a larger resource than the combined resources of those two deposits and a higher copper grade. That might change with new work coming out of new resource studies out of those two. But at the moment, based on the published resources, we're larger and higher copper grain. So I think we compare very favorably.

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Alan

My second question was on the gold front. Gold has been in a very powerful gold bull market. And today, I think that the argument can be made that really only the largest gold stocks have joined the party. And therefore it looks like there's some attractive offer opportunities down the gold stock food chain. Is there any comments you can make as far as possible strategic investments or your thoughts on that? Those kind of opportunities?

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Rob McEwen

Very clearly the majors have got the most benefit out of the increase in the gold price. you're seeing their improved cash flow. A lot of the junior producers and explorers, there'll be a rotation out of the seniors into the intermediates and juniors as the price of gold stays where it is or goes higher. And we're a case in point. We were a high-cost producer, and with the higher gold price, our margins started moving up quite smartly. And that's going to happen across the sector. And then the juniors, once the seniors get more flush with cash, they're going to be looking, how do they grow their resources and production? And they'll be looking down into the intermediate and junior market. So it's a good time for investors, in my mind, to be looking at the smaller companies right now.

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Alan

Thank you very much for taking my call. Congratulations on getting back in the right track since 2016, and I'll turn it back over.

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Rob McEwen

Thank you, Alan.

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Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Winnie Coffey, individual. Your line is now open.

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Alan Barry

Hello.

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Operator

Thank you.

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Alan Barry

This is her husband, David. And we'd like to inquire about the MQMNW. We're involved with that. And we understand that's a new project. And I just wonder if there's going to be any new movement in that direction.

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Rob McEwen

I'm not familiar with that name. MQMW, what's that?

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Alan Barry

It's the warrants. MQMNW.

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Kyle

Yeah, so Lawrence QMNW is an OTC ticker for McEwen mining warrants, which are out of the money and last traded for a very low price. So what is your question about those particular warrants?

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Alan Barry

I'm just curious if there's any kind of an IPO coming in on a project that was supposedly that involved. It's a new project, I would assume, and we've been kind of waiting for an IPO for a long time, over a long time.

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Kyle

No, so I think just to maybe clear up some confusion, the warrants were issued some time ago and aren't related to any particular project you know those and as I said those warrants are out of the money they expire towards the end of this year in November in 2024 so with regard to new projects though I mean I can address you know we are in the process of acquiring timberline resources in That company has assets in Nevada, which have good synergies with our existing mine there. That acquisition will hopefully close towards the end of this month in August, and we're looking forward to working on those projects. That's the only current acquisition that we have in the pipeline.

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Alan Barry

So that wouldn't involve the warrant circumstance, would it?

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Kyle

No, not at all.

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Alan Barry

Not at all. OK. Well, I guess you answered our question. No problem. Thank you, David. Thank you.

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Operator

Our next question comes from John Moran, individual. Your line is now open.

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John Moran

Hello, John. Hi, thank you. My family and I have been shareholders for over 12 years. My question is, Why do you think that the McEwen copper hasn't been reflected in the stock price? And what do you think it will take to change that?

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Rob McEwen

It's a good question. We separated the copper and financed it independently starting in, I guess we closed the first deal in 2022, September. Since that time, Our share prices outperform the Dow, the NASDAQ, the price of gold, silver, copper, the GDX and the GDXJ. So when we separated the copper, it was to gain visibility for it. I do think that the recent transaction with BHP and Lundin Mining on two large copper projects in the same province in Argentina as Las Azulas, our Las Azulas property, will get people thinking about its value. I think we're still at the beginning. We've done a great deal of drilling, and we'll have a feasibility study out early next year. I think all of that will be reflected in, should be a higher price for the value of that project.

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John Moran

The copper prices. Thank you very much.

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Rob McEwen

You're welcome. I was going to say the price is weakened in the last three months relative to gold. So it's taken a bit of the... the value out of the market. I believe we followed a lot of the copper stocks in terms of price direction.

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John Moran

Right. Okay. Thank you very much. You're welcome.

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Operator

Our next question comes from Phil Powers from McEwen Mining. Your line is now open.

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Phil Powers

Hi, Bill. Hi, Rob. Thanks for taking my call. A couple of quick questions. As far as looking at the financials, it appears that San Jose is generating quite a bit of revenue and a fair bit of cash these days. And I was wondering if there's been any update you've gotten from Hot Shield regarding a dividend. And if so, is this going to be, are there any plans for regular dividends?

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Rob

Hi, Bill. It's Perry. Thanks for the question. So we did receive a small dividend in the second quarter, but obviously, you know, given where gold and silver prices are, you know, we would want to see a more robust dividend. I would say we've had very good dialogue with Hoss Shields. We're spending some of the free cash flow generated this year on a mill expansion. So that will take throughput up to 2,000 tons per day. So that's project is going well and we should see the benefits of that next year. And I guess what we've committed to do with Haas Shields is look at the cash generation this quarter and potentially expect to receive a more sizable dividend in the fourth quarter this year. So, obviously, silver has come off a little bit, but gold is still above $2,400 as of today. So, as you said, still generating positive cash flow, and the mine seems to be performing quite well.

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Phil Powers

Yes. Thank you. And my second question is, I know you, at least Bill and maybe a couple other members of the team, went down to Mexico recently and It looks like you're making some adjustments to the permit. And I was just wondering if you could give us a little more color on some details regarding some of the adjustments to the mine plan, as well as if this is going to raise the cost to getting towards a permit and a potential production.

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spk01

Yeah, so thanks very much for the question. So yeah, at this point we're anticipating. Receiving the permit and you know, unfortunately I guess as you probably know, recently there's been elections in Mexico, so the new the new team is now getting into place on the government side. We have had some discussions with responsible agents in Mexico about our permitting. And there's an anticipation, I guess, that's been created where we think we might get the permit late in Q3 or early in Q4. But as in all permitting situations, there's not a lot of clarity around when permits are given. Meanwhile, we're also looking at other. Opportunities to reduce the capital cost and do some other. Arrangements in terms of the permitting to make that less onerous, you know, on the government. And so I would say at this point we're in a state of flux and hope to have you know, some better news for ourselves and for our shareholders later in Q3 and early in Q4. Okay. Thank you very much.

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John Moran

You're welcome.

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Rob McEwen

Thanks, Bill.

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Operator

Before we move on to our next question, again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. That's star 1 on your telephone keypad. We will pause for a brief moment while we wait for the questions to come in. Our next question comes from Patrick Schoen from Private Investor. Your line is now open.

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Rob McEwen

Hello, Patrick.

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Patrick

Good morning, Mr. McEwen and team. Just wanted to find out if there's any updates on the REGIE. From what I could gather through the message boards some of the Internet research. It's been debated, but it seems very unclear what benefits there are.

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Rob McEwen

There are many. Michael Medding, our VP and General Manager of McEwen Copper, could give you a concise statement of that, and we'll be putting out a press release today in the appendix of it will be a discussion.

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Michael Medding

It has many positive features. Mike? So if I may give you a current state of the RIGI. The RIGI is part of a law package that has been signed into law and has been discussed in the lower house, in the Senate, and is now enacted. The provinces are in the process of adhering to that law. The law is active. What does it mean to be beneficiary of this law is that the main benefits include corporate income tax reduction from 35% to 25%. So 10 percentage points decrease in corporate tax rate. Accelerated depreciation, unlimited carry forward of losses, no limitations of deduction of interest for five years, tax on dividends reduced from 7% to 3.5%, and relief of withholding tax on some payments to foreign beneficiaries, which is very important for big infrastructure projects. Bank tax, transaction tax, which was before 1.2%, would be fully credible against income tax, and the municipalities and the provinces adhering to the law would be banned from increasing taxes to the projects. For the construction, it means that the 20% VAT that in Argentina takes some time to recover has a new mechanism to be recovered very quickly. The state will issue certificates that can be directly used for tax payments. So if you're interested to learn more about that, please drop us a note and we can send you documentation. But what is also important to note is Specifically, important exports are free from licenses and duties. Exports, after a certain amount of time, at the moment, COPAP projects have a 4.5 or a 0 to 8% sliding scale export duty, and that will go away with the implementation of the REGIE after a certain amount of time. And it gives you 30 to 40 years of tech stability that you can litigate either in-country or outside of the country. So it's very beneficial for mining projects.

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Patrick

Okay, so it sounds like it's a done deal. There's no more debate that needs to be done by the Argentine government in order to have these benefits.

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Michael Medding

So what is going to happen now is that the law will be regulated. So the law has been signed into law and has been published in the official gazette. And the regulations should be coming out in the next couple of weeks. The provinces that are interested in adhering to that law, they are adhering via provincial laws. You know that Argentina is pretty much made after the US, so natural resources, for example, belong to the provinces. So there is discussion going on in the different provinces. Some have already adhered. The province where we are, we expect this to be approved relatively soon as well, so that you have a full coverage both on the national as well as provincial and municipal level with the tax stability that I mentioned was from 30 to 40 years with all the benefits mentioned.

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Patrick

Okay, thank you so much, gentlemen, and I appreciate all the hard work that you guys have done.

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Rob McEwen

Thank you, Patrick.

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Operator

As of right now, we don't have any pending questions. There are no further questions at the moment. Mr. Rob McEwen, I'd like to turn the call over to you.

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Rob McEwen

Thank you, Operator. And thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us today. As you can see, we're in a good financial position. We've got our drilling is delivering results, and we've made a number of press releases on our exploration results. In the press release that's going out today on Los Azules, it will be providing additional drill data, infill drilling, And Argentina is open for business. It's been a pariah for a long time, and I'll call it Malay magic has changed that and been embraced by the government of Argentina. So that, plus our improving financial position, I think puts us in a very good position going forward to finance our growth plan. Thank you for joining us.

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Operator

Thank you everyone for joining today's call. We hope you have a wonderful day. You may now disconnect.

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