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spk06: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on Muir Water Products' fourth quarter and fiscal year-end 2021 conference call. We issued our press release reporting results of operations for the quarter ended September 30th, 2021, yesterday afternoon. A copy of the press release is available on our website, www.muirwaterproducts.com. Scott Hall, our president and CEO, and Marty Zackins, our CFO, will be discussing our fourth quarter and full year results and markets, and expectations for fiscal 2022. This morning's call is being recorded and webcast live on the Internet. We have also posted slides on our website to go along with today's discussion and address forward-looking statements and our non-GAAP disclosure requirements. At this time, please refer to slide two. This slide identifies non-GAAP financial measures referenced in our press release on our slides and on this call. and discloses why we believe that these measures provide useful information to investors. Reconciliations between non-GAAP and GAAP financial measures are included in the supplemental information within our press release and on our website. Slide 3 addresses forward-looking statements made on this call. This slide includes cautionary information identifying important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those included in forward-looking statements. please review slides two and three in their entirety. During this call, all references to a specific year or quarter, unless specified otherwise, refer to our fiscal year, which ends the 30th of September. A replay of this morning's call will be available for 30 days at 1-800-834-5839. The archived webcast and corresponding slides will be available for at least 90 days in the investor relations section of our website. I'll now turn the call over to Scott.
spk03: Thanks, Whit. Thank you for joining us today. I hope everyone listening to our call continues to stay safe and healthy. The fourth quarter was a disappointing end to a strong year, which we achieved despite the ongoing pandemic and other challenges. In addition to the pandemic, We have faced many obstacles over the past year, including significant raw material and other cost inflation, supply chain disruptions, and labor availability challenges, which impacted fourth quarter operations and results. I want to thank all of our team members for their perseverance and dedication throughout this past year as they continue to execute in this unprecedented operating environment. Our consolidated net sales increased 11.4% for the fourth quarter. and 15.2% for the full year. Following record sales growth in the third quarter, we experienced continued strong demand in the fourth quarter, driven by both new residential construction and municipal repair and replacement activity. Fourth quarter orders remained elevated compared with pre-pandemic levels, and we ended the year with record backlog for our infrastructure products. While our fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA decreased primarily due to the challenging operating environment, we still achieved 6.8% growth for the year. Although we realized improved pricing in the quarter for the majority of our products, it was not enough to offset the continued higher inflation. We do expect that our current pricing actions will more than cover anticipated inflation in 2022, assuming material costs do not increase beyond current levels. Additionally, during the quarter, our specialty valve product portfolio experienced longer delivery time for parts, delaying shipments, and our ongoing plant restructuring has been impacted by the supply chain disruptions and labor challenges. I am especially pleased with our cash flow for the year, where we generated $94 million of free cash flow. We ended the year with a stronger cash position compared with the prior year after acquiring I2O Water for $19.7 million and allocating $44.8 million to shareholders. We repurchased $10 million of common stock during the fourth quarter and recently announced a dividend increase of approximately 5.5%. In summary, while we had a disappointing finish to the year from a conversion margin perspective, we delivered strong top-line growth and remain focused on overcoming the operational challenges. We believe that the record backlog across our short-cycle products coupled with the expected realization from higher pricing, have positioned us to deliver net sales and adjusted EBITDA growth in 2022. Additionally, we are nearing the completion of our three large capital projects, which we expect to drive gross margin benefits once they are up and fully running. I am confident that we are in a great position to accelerate our strategies and improve our culture of execution as we become a world-class water technologies company. bringing solutions to critical water infrastructure. With that, I'll turn the call over to Marty to discuss our 2021 fourth quarter and full year results.
spk00: Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. I hope you and your families continue to be safe and healthy. I will start with our fourth quarter 2021 consolidated gap and non-gap financial results, then review our segment performance, and finish with a discussion of our cash flow and liquidity. During the fourth quarter, we generated consolidated net sales of $295.6 million, which increased $30.3 million, or 11.4%, as compared with fourth quarter last year. The increase was primarily a result of increased shipment volumes and higher pricing at infrastructure. We generated a 10.8% increase in consolidated net sales when compared with the fourth quarter of 2019, which preceded the pandemic, reflecting improved end market demand. Our gross profit this quarter decreased $7.6 million, or 8.1%, to $86.3 million, compared with the fourth quarter of the prior year, yielding a gross margin of 29.2%. Gross margin decreased 620 basis points compared with the prior year. Higher pricing at infrastructure and increased shipment volumes were more than offset by continued higher inflation and unfavorable manufacturing performance, which includes the impact of labor challenges, supply chain disruptions, and our plant restructurings. Our total material costs increased 18% year-over-year in the quarter, primarily driven by higher raw materials, which increased sequentially and year-over-year. Our primary raw materials are scrap steel and brass ingot, and prices of both were up over 50% year-over-year. While our price realization improved sequentially, our price-cost relationship was negative for the third consecutive quarter. Given the acceleration of raw material pricing in the quarter, the price-cost relationship did not improve as much as anticipated due to the level of inflation. Scott will discuss the drivers of the decrease in gross margin versus expectations in more detail later in the call. Selling, general and administrative expenses of $56.6 million in the quarter increased $4.5 million compared with the prior year. The increase was primarily as a result of investments, including the I2O water acquisition, IT-related activities, and personnel-related costs, the reversal of temporary T&E savings relating to the pandemic, and general inflation. SG&A as a percent of net sales was 19.1% in the fourth quarter compared with 19.6% in the prior year. Operating income of $27.8 million decreased $12.9 million or 31.7 percent in the fourth quarter, compared with $40.7 million in the prior year. Operating income includes strategic reorganization and other charges of $1.9 million in the quarter, which primarily relate to our previously announced plant restructurings. Returning now to our consolidated non-GAAP results. Adjusted operating income of $29.7 million decreased $12.1 million or 28.9%, as compared with $41.8 million in the prior year quarter. Higher inflation, unfavorable manufacturing performance, and higher SG&A expenses more than offset higher pricing and increased volumes in infrastructure. Adjusted EBITDA of $45.6 million decreased $12 million, or 20.8%, leading to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 15.4%, which is 630 basis points lower than the prior year. For the full year 2021, we generated adjusted EBITDA of $203.6 million, which grew 6.8%, yielding an adjusted EBITDA margin of 18.4%. Interest expense net for the 2021 fourth quarter declined to $4.4 million as compared with $6 million in the prior year quarter. The decrease in net interest expense in the quarter primarily resulted from lower interest expense as a result of the refinancing of our senior 5.5% notes with senior 4% notes. The effective tax rate this quarter was 24.3% as compared with 24.8% last year. For the full year, our effective tax rate was 25.8% as compared with 23.5% for the prior year. For the quarter, we generated adjusted net income per share of 12 cents compared with 17 cents in the prior year. Turning now to segment performance, starting with infrastructure. Infrastructure net sales of $271.9 million increased $29.9 million, or 12.4%, as compared with the prior year, primarily as a result of increased shipment volumes, particularly of our hydrant, iron gate valve, service brass, and repair products, and higher pricing. Adjusted operating income of $46.2 million decreased $10.6 million, or 18.7% in the quarter, as higher inflation, unfavorable manufacturing performance, and higher SG&A expenses were only partially offset by higher pricing and increased volumes. Adjusted EBITDA of $59.3 million decreased $10.3 million, or 14.8%, leading to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21.8%. For the full year, adjusted EBITDA margin was 25.2%. Moving on to technologies. Technologies net sales of $23.7 million increased 1.7% as compared with the prior year, primarily as a result of our acquisition of I2O Water. Organic net sales declined slightly compared with the prior year, as higher pricing was more than offset by lower volumes. Adjusted operating loss was $4.3 million, as compared with adjusted operating loss of $2.3 million in the prior year. This increase was primarily due to unfavorable performance, including inventory adjustments, increased expenses associated with our acquisition of I2O water, and higher inflation, which were partially offset by higher pricing. Technologies adjusted EBITDA with a loss of $2.4 million as compared with adjusted EBITDA loss of $200,000 in the prior year. Moving on to cash flow. Net cash provided by operating activities for the year ended September 30, 2021 improved $16.4 million to $156.7 million, primarily as a result of the $22 million Walter Energy tax payment in the prior year. Our net working capital as of September 30, 2021, decreased $11.3 million to $207.1 million. Net working capital as a percent of net sales improved to 18.6% compared with 22.7%, primarily as a result of better inventory turns. We invested $16.6 million in capital expenditures during the fourth quarter, bringing the year-to-date total to $62.7 million, as compared with $67.7 million in the prior year. The decrease in capital expenditures for the year, which was below our updated guidance range, was primarily due to the supply chain disruptions that have slowed the pace of some planned expenditures, including spending for our large capital projects. Free cash flow for the year improved $21.4 million to $94 million and exceeded adjusted net income. At September 30, 2021, we had total debt of $446.9 million and cash and cash equivalents of $227.5 million. At the end of the fourth quarter, our net debt leverage ratio improved to 1.1 times from 1.3 times at the end of the prior year. We did not have any borrowings under our ABL agreement at year end, nor did we borrow any amounts under our ABL during the year. As a reminder, we currently have no debt maturities before June 2029. Our senior 4% notes have no financial maintenance covenants, and our ABL agreement is not subject to any financial maintenance covenants unless we exceed the minimum availability thresholds. Based on September 30, 2021 data, we had approximately $158.7 million of excess availability under the ABL agreement, which brings our total liquidity to $386.2 million. In summary, we continue to have a strong, flexible balance sheet with ample liquidity and capacity to support our capital allocation opportunities. Scott, back to you.
spk03: Thanks, Marty. I'll touch on our fourth quarter results, new management structure, end markets, and full year 2022 guidance. After that, we'll open the call up for questions. As mentioned earlier, There were a number of challenges during the quarter, which impacted our gross margin and led to the disappointing adjusted EBITDA conversion, which was below our expectations. The gross margin gap was approximately $15 million, with the labor challenges making up more than one-third of the gap. Higher inflation, freight, and electricity costs combined also accounted for more than one-third of the gap. Of the other factors, the operational challenges for our specialty valve product portfolio had the largest impact, along with unfavorable inventory adjustments. The labor challenges have led to an increase in costs associated with overtime benefits and efficiencies. We provided additional performance incentives for team members at the plants, recognizing their hard work and dedication throughout this exceptionally challenging operating environment. Additionally, the pandemic continues to pose labor challenges for us, even with the progress made with vaccinations. Our teams are working closely to continue to improve our relationships with our employees and enhance our efforts around hiring, training, and retention. Raw material inflation continued to be a headwind during the quarter. We experienced another sequential increase in raw material inflation resulting in scrap steel and brass ingot prices up over 50% versus the prior year. Raw material prices didn't start to accelerate higher until the second quarter of 2021. Therefore, we anticipate that raw material inflation will be most impactful in the first half of the year if prices do not continue to increase. In the past, we have been successful in executing price increases as needed to more than cover inflationary expenses over the cycle. Our pricing actions during this past year, which include free price increases across most product lines, are helping to offset inflation as we saw a notable sequential increase on our price realization during the fourth quarter. Unfortunately, record backlogs are extending the timing for the realization of continued price benefits, so we do not expect to be in a positive price-cost position on a quarterly basis until the middle of 2022. At this time, we expect that our current pricing actions will more than cover anticipated inflation in 2022. This belief assumes that material costs do not increase beyond current levels. The strong demand we have experienced has also led to some manufacturing inefficiencies triggered by the rapid increase in volumes, particularly in the second half of our year. With the increased demand, we are having to run our foundries during peak periods, leading to much higher energy costs. The supply chain disruptions have also led to higher freight costs and extended lead times for some third-party purchase parts, Our supply chain teams have been focused on obtaining needed supplies on a timely basis and working to find alternative sources where possible. While we believe our actions will put us in a better position to increase shipments to meet demand, we anticipate that supply chain disruptions and labor availability will continue to be headwinds well into next year. In the fourth quarter, the operational challenges were even greater for our specialty valve product portfolio. which accounts for approximately 15% of annual sales. These products are typically used in large projects with long lead times. Due to the longer manufacturing and delivery times, the gap between material cost inflation and pricing improvements can be more than nine months. Additionally, as a reminder, we announced a major plant restructuring project in the second quarter of 2021. At that time, we were anticipating a different operating environment. The strong demand, supply chain disruptions, and labor challenges have impacted shipments for these products and increased the transition costs for our plant restructuring. We remain confident that we will fully complete the transition and ramp up in 2023 with the margin benefits following accordingly. We recently announced a new management structure beginning with the first quarter of 2022. The new structure is designed to increase revenue growth, drive operational excellence, accelerate new product development, and enhance profitability. We believe that the new structure positions us for improved long-term growth and increased margins, while helping to accelerate the commercialization of our technology-enabled products and the Centrix software platform. The two newly named business units are Waterflow Solutions and Water Management Solutions. Waterflow Solutions' product portfolio includes iron gate valves, specialty valves, and service brass products. Net sales of products in the water flow solution business were approximately 60% of 2021 consolidated net sales. Within the water flow solutions business unit, we will advance manufacturing and assembly efficiencies across valve and brass products while driving the expected benefits from our three large capital projects. Additionally, we will look to increase growth in existing product areas and support expansion of valves into adjacent markets. Water Management Solutions product and service portfolios include fire hydrants, repair and installation, natural gas, metering, leak detection, pressure control, and software products. Net sales of products in the Water Management Solutions business unit were approximately 40% of 2021 consolidated net sales. Within the Water Management Solutions business unit, we look to leverage our hydrants, which provide a bridge for digital communications throughout the water system with enhanced coordination among products and services. Also, we plan to reduce product development cycle times with enhanced coordination of digitally enabled products and network management. Turning to our end markets, we again experienced strong demand and order growth in our fourth quarter, driven by both new residential construction and municipal repair and replacement activity. While we expect end markets to remain healthy in 2022, We do anticipate that growth will slow down relative to the strong recovery we experienced during 2021. State and local budgets appear to be in good shape, especially at the larger municipalities. The aging water infrastructure will continue to be a driver of repair and replacement activity at water utilities. We were pleased to see that the federal infrastructure bill was passed over the weekend. It is an important step forward for the needed investment in our aging water infrastructure. We have not built any benefits from the bill into our assumptions for our 2022 guidance. While we expect residential construction activity continue to be healthy relative to pre-pandemic levels, we expect that it will be difficult to achieve significant growth again in 2022. Residential construction activity was incredibly strong during 2021, highlighted by total housing starts increasing approximately 18% and single family starts increasing around 23%. We believe that supply chain disruptions, which are extending overall build cycles for new residential construction, could support a healthy demand environment well beyond 2022. Moving on to our expectation for 2022. The record backlog across our short cycle products and the expected realization from higher pricing position us to deliver net sales growth in 2022. continuing the strong net sales growth achieved in 2021. We believe the operating environment will remain challenging, especially in the first half of the year, with the potential for gradual improvement during the second half of the year. We currently anticipate that our full-year 2022 consolidated net sales will increase between 4% and 8%, with our adjusted EBITDA also increasing between 4% and 8% as compared with the prior year. we expect to generate solid free cash flow during the year. These expectations assume that challenges associated with higher inflation, labor availability, and supply chain disruptions and the pandemic's impact will modestly improve relative to 2021, and that material costs do not increase beyond current levels. Our focus remains on keeping our employees safe, protecting our communities, delivering exceptional products and support to our customers, and generating strong cash flow. During 2022, we will remain focused on executing our strategic initiatives and overcoming the external and internal operational challenges. We are committed to improving our culture of execution as we become a world-class water technologies company, bringing solutions to critical water infrastructure. We are excited about the progress we have made in our new product development programs and the growing market acceptance for digitally-enabled product offerings such as our Super Centurion Smart Hydrant, Centrek software platform, and I2O pressure management solutions. Additionally, we are making progress on our sustainability initiatives and will share our strategic goals and progress in our second ESG report to be published in January of 2022. With a strong balance sheet, liquidity, and cash flow, we are very well positioned to accelerate growth and efficiencies through capital investment and acquisitions. We will continue to maintain a balanced approach to capital allocation, investing in our business and returning cash to shareholders. We recently announced another increase to our quarterly dividend, marking the fifth increase since the end of 2016. Additionally, we repurchased $10 million of common stock during the fourth quarter after resuming our share repurchases earlier this year. We currently have $135 million remaining authorization on our share repurchase program. That concludes my comments. Operator, please open this call for questions.
spk01: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1, unmute your phone, and record your name and company clearly when prompted. This information is just required to introduce your question. If you need to cancel your question for any reason, you can press star 2. Again, if you'd like to ask a question over the phone, please press star one. Our first question today comes from Brian Blair. Your line is now open.
spk07: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Brian. Good morning. So you covered the headwinds you faced at a high level. I was hoping you could quantify the impact of price costs, supply chain delays, labor-specific challenges in the quarter. and how you're thinking about each of those factors looking to the early part of your fiscal 22 and the impact on incremental progression.
spk03: Okay. Well, I think that the, you know, kind of as a reminder, the updated annual guidance applied was lower adjusted EBITDA conversions compared with the prior guidance range that we gave for Q4. So I'll kind of try and do the delta to the guidance we gave. So net sales growth is a little bit higher, slightly higher than the midpoint of our implied Q4 guidance. The 23% decrease in adjusted EBITDA compared with the midpoint of our implied Q4 guidance was driven almost exclusively by the reduction in gross margin. Challenges during the quarter that impacted our gross margin, let's call it $15 million to keep it simple. I would say that the labor challenges and their knock-on effects and the premiums paid for overtime, attendance incentives, all those kinds of things was, as I said in my prepared comments, a little more than 33% of the $15 million. And then when you get into the fact that we had the surcharges on freight, we had surcharges on utilities, the higher inflation than anticipated, That was a little more than a third as well. So those were the two big drivers. And then, you know, let's call it, you know, ballpark 30% or whatever the math worked out to 28%. You know, the biggest, there was a lot of cats and dogs in there, Brian, but I think the biggest one was, you know, the challenges faced in Kimball, both with hiring and ramping up. a new plant at these higher demand levels. And, you know, I think I wanted and have always been, you know, blunt about these things with you guys and so I'm not going to change. I think, you know, one of the big drivers here is if we had our time back, would we have accelerated the closure of Surrey and Aurora in this kind of demand environment? I think the answer is no, we wouldn't have. Um, we, we had a different operating environment. We had a different assumption about how the specialty valve business would look. We expected project work to actually contract. Um, and you know, that's probably the biggest driver of, you know, when you, when you look at this $15 million a headwind, what did we get wrong? I think it's, uh, it comes back to the decisions we took when we did the layoffs, when we did the furloughs, when we accelerated the closures, we were expecting very different demand environment. And, um, You know, that's on us, and we'll accept the responsibility for it.
spk07: I appreciate all that detail. And you mentioned accelerating price realization in the quarter. What was that figure for your fiscal 4Q? And given carryover price from back half increases and assumed fiscal 22 increases, you have to assume they'll still be above average level. What price is contemplated in your plus 4% to 8% sales cap?
spk03: Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, first me, Marty, then you. The three price increases that we have announced, the first price increase now is completely, I think, in our results. The second price increase is about 30% in our results, and the third price increase will start coming into our results this month and beyond. So if you look at where the backlog was, when the timing of the price increases are, what our ship rates have been, We have basically that third price increase that we announced in August completely tied up in our backlog. And so, you know, as long as we get stable cost environment, we should start turning positive price costs in our fiscal Q3. So negative Q1, let's call it break-even Q2. And then positive beyond. Bernie?
spk00: Yeah. So, you know, when we're taking what Scott said, when we look at expectations for full year 2022, and that assumes that raw material and other costs don't increase from where we are, we expect to be positive on price cost for 2022. But we wouldn't swear, as we always say, over the full cycle, our expectations are to more than cover costs and preserve margins. don't expect at this point to be at that position in 2022. Correct.
spk07: Okay, understood. And you mentioned the infrastructure bill now having passed. That's a high-level positive, but not factored into your fiscal 22 outlook. Looking forward, how should we think about the impact on demand and potential catalysts for Mueller? I'm thinking that for smaller municipalities, the the rate of tech adoption may increase. You know, having that incremental funding could be, you know, somewhat game-changing as we look to your fiscal 23-24. Curious, any insights you can provide there?
spk03: Yeah. So, yeah, absolutely positive news. You know, to come right at your question, you know, definitely you should see it as a tailwind for us in our forecast. I do have some concerns that You know, given the machinations of the federal government, the fund availability in 22, I think, could be very, very aggressive. I think the key areas of where the bill is, there's $12 billion each for drinking water and clean water state revolving funds, $15 billion for replacement of the lead-contaminated drinking water infrastructure, and approximately $10 billion to address emerging contaminants such as PFAS. And then there's another $50 billion outside of that that would go toward making the infrastructure system more resilient, including protecting it from drought, floods, and cyber attacks. That $50 billion has to be shared with the electric grid. But I think that, you know, all in all, that the bill, I think, will address, you know, a lot of what's wrong. What I particularly like about the bill is which I don't believe that these incentives, I think they move demand around generally and they don't create new demand. But I think this bill may actually not do that. I think this bill will actually make funds available to people who will not be able to afford to invest. And so those communities that have a declining population and perhaps have a declining average income in real dollars that were going to be strapped to maintain their system, think up in the upper Midwest, think in the parts of the Northeast and the old Rust Belt, those communities are going to be able to access the funds faster than anybody else. And they'll qualify quicker. So if you're in a community that has, you know, growing population, growing income, so your base is increasing, your rate is increasing, it will be more difficult for you to access some of these funds. But if you're an old line community, community that's kind of fallen on hard times, I think you will get some renewal dollars for your infrastructure that you otherwise would not have been able to afford. So I feel pretty good about that. You know, remind everybody it's an eight-year timeline on the investment cycle, and I expect it will be a little slower in the beginning, and then the investments will ramp up in the middle years.
spk07: Appreciate all the color. Thanks again.
spk03: Thank you.
spk01: Our next question comes from Dean Dre with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
spk09: Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
spk00: Good morning, Dean.
spk09: Good morning. Hey, I appreciate all the specifics and being able to size the headwinds on the inflation supply chain and so forth. Can you give some color about how the monthly cadence of this progressed in the quarter? Because it really does seem like it got away from you. more so than other companies that we cover. I appreciate how, Frank, you've given the specifics, but maybe just how much did this kind of catch you by surprise? Was it a last month in the quarter event? Maybe some color there, please.
spk03: Yeah, so just to give everybody some idea, if you look at the inflation curve that we've experienced for the year, Almost half of our full year inflation happened in the fourth quarter. So, you know, I think we'll see that it was like 49% of all inflation for the year happened in the fourth quarter. And then as we pressed into the final two months of the quarter, that is when our labor problems had been exacerbated. And I'm going to tell you that that is probably something that we should have caught. Whenever you're running as much overtime as we are right now and you're in the dog days of summer and you go through June and July, you know, those August-September time frames, you know, that's when you should probably have anticipated the absenteeism ticking up as it did. But that certainly wasn't in our wheelhouse. We had thought that... you know, our attendance would be kind of flat, Dean. So, yeah, more of it backloaded in the quarter. Certainly inflation has been in the last half of the year and the vast majority of it in our fourth quarter. When you look at our performance, our manufacturing performance, basically all of it was lost in the last two months. So we were basically at break even, so the pluses, of material savings, VAVE projects, capital projects, implementations. We're kind of fighting off some of the increased costs and inefficiencies associated with the pandemic through the first nine months of the year. And then in the fourth quarter, the labor-driven, the shortage-driven, the fact that we were in our utility peak periods basically drove our manufacturing performance for the year negatively.
spk09: All right. That's really helpful and gives context about kind of what real time was happening. And it's clear. Look, every time, Scott, you've spoken during the course of the whole COVID era, if you want to call that, you've been upfront about what you're doing for your employees and the incentives. And so we fully appreciate the efforts that you've gone there. Just the idea on the hedging of materials. I mean, those are big numbers on steel and brass. Can you remind us how you're hedging? And I don't mean financial hedges, but are you doing pre-buying? How much is locked in in the current quarter? And that would be helpful.
spk03: Yeah, so we buy our ingot forward as far as our backlog goes. So, you know, if you give you an example, if you've got 3 million pounds on backlog, then we try to have 3 million pounds of purchases out there, actually less than that because we re-melt our chips. But, you know, those numbers. Unfortunately, what's happened in a couple of the markets, including the scrap market, is availability from the supply base to get that many pounds forward has been difficult. And so I think right now we're a quarter forward on brass, but we still have exposure on scrap steel because there's just not enough scrap steel available out there that we can acquire and the shredders and the cutters are not accepting orders beyond what they have because they don't know what their inbound is.
spk09: All right. That's the helpful. Just last one since you brought up backlog. You don't typically see a bigger backlog build in your shorter cycle businesses. Do you have the ability to reprice on the backlog and is there any kind of
spk03: past due backlog number you could share yeah so we don't really have the ability to reprice the short cycle um product backlog and so um you know that's what the price increases get announced they have their forward buy window um they take advantage of it i think you know philosophically i'm not i'm not making a market announcement here but philosophically i'd like to find a way that while the backlog is above, you know, I'm making this up, say, X days, that when we announce a price increase, there will be no pre-buy period, that it will be price in effect at time of shipment. That has not been done. That's something we're kicking around with our channel partners right now. But, you know, to announce a fourth price increase here in the next few months and then have the pre-buy simply drive everything out again, I think would be a pointless exercise. And so, you know, we're looking to see what we can do to change during these circumstances. But in general, very little to do on the brass and gay valve and hydrant front when we have fixed price agreements and the 30-day window for them to change their systems. And that's something I'd like to just comment on a bit for everybody is that, look, part of the pre-buy window is not just to move demand around. If you can imagine a customer with 500 or 600 branches needing to get all of their systems updated so that they have coordinated buy information, time in effect, things like that, so that they can scrub their existing contract commitments, it's difficult for them to just wake up one morning and say, okay, the prices are up.
spk09: Yeah, we absolutely appreciate the – the complexities of the timing on price increases and the obligations you have to your channel partner. So I appreciate that additional color. And just last one, it's not a question, just a comment. We really do like the new resegmentation. It makes all kinds of sense. So congrats on making that move. And hopefully Marty has lots of restatement quarterlies for us because that's a big help.
spk03: Yeah. Thank you.
spk09: Thank you.
spk01: Our next question comes from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.
spk08: Hi, this is Miguel on for Brian. Thanks for taking the question. On adjusted EBITDA margins, they were down this quarter and then the midpoint of your guidance suggests flat adjusted EBITDA year over year. So just a couple questions to start on. on supply chain and inflation and labor and also just the timing on price realizations each quarter. Can you talk through how you expect each of these to evolve over next year? And then based on the visibility you have, was this quarter sort of the bottom or how should we think about when we start to see some of these things get better and then you start to see a rebound in margins? And then I have a quick follow up. Thank you.
spk00: Yeah, so generally I would say as we're looking out over our 2022, I think a lot of it goes back to the discussions in and around the price-cost relationship. We've referenced what we've seen in terms of price increases for the raw material and other material costs, so our expectation is, you know, as we go into 2022, that will be a tougher curve, because if you remember, we really started seeing the price increases coming around our second quarter of 2021. So we think we'll have the toughest comparisons in the first half of 2022, improving that price cost on a quarterly basis. And again, with the assumption that material costs don't increase beyond current levels and with the pricing actions that we have taken to date, we do expect that we'll cover the inflation, expected material cost inflation in 2022.
spk08: Great. Thanks for the color. And then just one more, if I could squeeze in and I'll pass it on. To what extent, if any, have you seen maybe any demand being pulled forward ahead of price increases? And if so, should we expect maybe a stronger early part of fiscal 2022 versus typical seasonality? Thanks.
spk03: Yeah, I think that there is some expectation that, you know, our Q1 will be, which is, you know, the tapering of the construction season and that January quarter probably being, you know, the slowest, that there will be some production going back into the channel that probably will alter some of the seasonality of the business. So I think that's something we can expect. But as far as the inventory in the channel, It's really tumultuous right now. Like, you know, if you look at people who've reported their inventories are up, but if you talk to them, a lot of them have inventories up simply because kind of having logistics problems. For instance, you know, I'll give you an example. Pipe might be on much longer lead times than the valves and the hydrants. And so they've got a contract for a job. You know, product A comes in, they're still waiting on product B. The contractor doesn't want it until they can have an install. You're not going to put pipe in the ground without valves. You're not going to put valves in the ground without pipes. So they've got a lot of that kind of going on in the channel right now. But I do believe, in general, while inventories are up, demand is up enough that when they get some of these logistics levels sorted out, we expect that they would still be in a need for material in their inventory. That is to say that they're under inventory given their contract obligations they have currently.
spk08: Okay, thanks a lot for the extra color. Appreciate it.
spk01: Our next question comes from Joe Giordano with Cowan. Your line is now open.
spk10: Hi, guys. Good morning.
spk03: Good morning, Joe.
spk10: Hey, so we kind of asked this in a bunch of different ways, but If I look at your revenue guidance for next year, how much of that do you think you hit from just price capture alone? So I guess I'm trying to understand, like, what's the implied volume growth next year on that, like, you know, 48%?
spk03: You know, I think you could think of it as kind of about half units. And then the balance economics, whether it's price or, you know, price inflations,
spk10: Okay. That's fair. That's what we're trying to get at. Yeah. And then, you know, what we've seen the last quarter here has generally been the advantage of being vertically integrated as a company, because you're not getting stuck with like component parks and things like that. So that's what I think made this a little more surprising. I understand that some of the restructuring actions have kind of created that issue, but maybe you could talk to what, you know, what gives you confidence in the leverage like inherent in your production base, given like, you know, high demand is when you'd want to have that kind of set up. Right. And, and you got it with like electricity charges and stuff. So if, if, if demand is going to ramp down a little bit, you know, just talk about what the leverage is in your system.
spk03: Yeah, so I do think we're going to be able to react better. I do think that we are going to be in a position, even with the 11.4% growth, that's probably going to be better than anybody who isn't vertically integrated because their problems associated with the supply chain, if they're getting their castings from Poland or they're getting them from China or whatever, they're going to have these huge delays, just like our specialty business is experiencing right now. Let me back up. I'm not big on self-flagellation, but let me say something I said earlier. If you were to take this apart and say, how could we have not experienced some of this $15 million of headwinds we had in Q4, I would put almost half of our problems at the feet of the decisions we took when the pandemic started, and we did the layoffs, and we did the furloughs. and we clamped down on plant spending and we reduced inventories and we did all of those things to protect liquidity. And, you know, I think it is useful as a management team to sit down and say, okay, what did we do right? What did we do wrong? I think that was the wrong call. If we had known the demand environment we were going to see, um, I wouldn't have laid off a single person. Um, because, you know, a lot of those people that we did lay off went and got other jobs and now we're scrambling for labor. And, uh, skilled labor to boot that has made us have some problems here. So as we work through that, as we get these temps up to speed on what they're making, I believe that our leverage on volume, yeah, we'll still have to pay freight surcharges. Yes, we'll still have the utility surcharges. But I expect a lot of the, let's call them, transitory expenses that we had in the fourth quarter of that $15 million, I expect them to go away. And even if it's 40% that go away immediately, we'll get that lift. Then we get the lift on the fact that we're getting higher than normal Q1 volumes as a result of the strength of the backlog. And so, yeah, I have confidence that we will be in a better position than everybody else who's dependent on third-party supply for their castings and for their assembly. And so I do think we have leverage in front of us, and that's why, you know, we came out with guidance that we feel like, you know, it's something that we can achieve.
spk10: Do you worry at all that there's structural labor issues? And I know you have some of your facilities in fairly remote areas. Are there just structural issues? problems with the labor supply for, like, an extended period? Is there any worry about that?
spk03: Yeah, I do think so. I mean, I am worried about it, but I think that, you know, we have good jobs. There's union representation. Labor challenges have led to an increase in costs associated with overtime benefits and efficiencies. I think the pandemic continues to pose labor challenges for us. Even with the progress made with vaccines, I think these OSHA rules and some of those things is not helpful in trying to say, here's what the labor pool looks like. I think there's people on both sides of the aisle saying, I am going to get back in the workforce or I'm not going to get back in the workforce. And at these elevated demand levels, our absenteeism remains a challenge because we're working people, I think, too much and not getting people in the front door fast enough. So, yeah, I am concerned about it. But I would also remind everybody that labor is a relatively small piece of our cost of goods sold. And as a result, even if I had to throw a 10 or 20 percent premium at current levels, I still think it would be well worth it economically to make sure we've got people in the door to make the product because the payoff is so much higher. the materials and the things like that that came in, I think our greater risk to our financials would come from, you know, another shock in the world economy that drove more inflation. And I am concerned that, you know, you go and you spend $1.2 trillion over eight years. We've got a lot of money in creation right now in the system. that we could have a little lingering effects from inflation. And I think that's probably a bigger risk than the labor risk. I think the labor risk is a short-term risk. Thanks for the call, Eric. Thank you.
spk01: Our next question comes from Walt Liptack with Seaport. Your line is now open.
spk04: Hi, thanks. Good morning. Good morning.
spk01: Good morning.
spk04: I wanted to ask about, you know, you guys called out the buyback a couple times during the presentation and pointed out to us the authorization. Is there a, you know, kind of a balance that you're looking at with share repurchase versus M&A? Should we read something into that, or were you just pointing that out?
spk03: Just pointing it out, I think we've been really consistent with our capital allocation philosophy. I think that, you know, we've said for years now we want a balanced approach. between returning cash to shareholders, between our CapEx programs, and between acquisitions. You know, it's an old-line business, but, you know, getting into technology, starting the digital transformation in the business, I think there was lots of opportunity to invest back in the business. I think we've shown that we're doing that. You know, with the increases in dividend and the share buyback, simply want to remind everybody that we continue to – return cash to shareholders. So not a signaling comment at all, just simply reminding you all that our philosophy around a balanced approach to capital allocation hasn't changed.
spk04: Okay, great. You know, all of our companies are getting hit by this inflation, labor issues, supply chain. So it's nothing new to us, especially this late in the quarter. And there seems to be a stabilization going on. So my question is, when you were looking at the guidance, it looks a little bit on the conservative side to us. I mean, what could go well in your view that might make the 2022 a little bit better than expected?
spk03: Well, I wouldn't call it conservative. I would say we're being cautious, given the current environment, because there's still a great deal of uncertainty. But certainly there are some tailwinds out there. There's no question that, you know, depending on what happens with the speed with which infrastructure spending gets in place, how communities with, you know, there's still a lot of money in municipal budgets as a result of the work that was done in the CARES Act piece. I mean, if you go back two years ago, I think there was $50 billion assigned to municipalities. And so I think that... that there are some tailwinds that could find their way into making drinking water in particular a priority and that they could have more infrastructure change out. We also believe that the break-fix piece of the business could have some upside depending on what failure rates look like going forward and whether they continue to accelerate or not. So there are some positives, but I wouldn't characterize the guidance as conservative so much as cautious. Male Speaker 1 Okay, fair enough.
spk04: And then the last one for me, on the residential outlook, I wasn't sure if I understood 2022. Are you expecting volume growth in your residential products in 2022?
spk03: Male Speaker 2 Yes, we're expecting some modest amount of growth in the resi market as a result of lot developments But I don't think there's enough capacity in the system to outstrip the growth we had last year. I mean, I think we said that housing starts were up 18%, single family homes up 23%. Last year, I don't think those kinds of numbers can be replicated. I think that when we look forward and we're cautious about residential delivering additional growth beyond 21 levels with around a million one single-family starts is, I think, where our model is. Okay.
spk04: All right, great.
spk03: Thank you. Thank you.
spk01: As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please dial star 1 and record your name and company name when prompted. Our next question comes from Zane Carini with DA Davidson. Your line is now open.
spk05: Hey, good morning, and thank you for taking my questions.
spk00: Good morning, Zane.
spk05: So first off, a little bit around the technology solutions business. Are you seeing any challenges around getting chips or anything like that? And if so, are there any signs of that alleviating?
spk03: Oh, yes. Great question. Yes, we are seeing difficulty, especially on the comm side of the business, you know, whether it be, you know, on the cell chips or even the radio chips in our, you know, in our my node line. So far, we've been able to meet demand with aftermarket sourcing and kind of scouring the earth for different distribution sources, obviously at a premium. I think the supply chains have done a great job to find alternative suppliers. We're right now focusing on alternative sources, and those sources, I think, as we've been talking about for the last hour or so has driven some of the inflation that we've seen. I expect those supply chain disruptions to continue and to be a challenge in 2022. But I believe we can continue to improve sales of technology-enabled products and services based on the progress we made versus 2019 sales. And I think that we're going to have lots of challenges with sourcing, but I don't see it getting in the way of us achieving our numbers in 2022. I do not think we're going to see an easing. And frankly, I'm concerned about the level of rhetoric that exists right now between the US and China, which China has a lot of the chipset manufacturing there. And so I think sourcing from Taiwan and Vietnam and other places is something that we're gonna continue to focus on as we go forward
spk05: Okay, thank you for that color. And then I know we've talked a bit about pricing today. But from an industry perspective, are you seeing similar price increases from your competitors? And I feel like historically, there hasn't really been any product substitution. Any reason to see that change or be different in the coming year?
spk03: Well, I you know, I don't comment on what our competitors are doing. Nor am I really aware of anything. But I do think we have well-developed markets for inputs, so we are dealing with the same inflation challenges as the competitive base. And so, you know, I believe we operate in a rational market and expect everyone to adjust prices as they experience significant increases in material costs. And so I think that's been a hallmark of this industry, and it's something I've been saying for five years. I do believe we operate in a rational environment. As to what their specifics are, I'm not really aware, but I do think the switching costs are such that, you know, a 200 or 300 basis point difference in price is not going to turn a municipality one way or the other unless they have their own design and we all have their tools.
spk05: Okay. The last one for me. How do the I2O contributions look compared to what you were expecting or hoping for this quarter?
spk03: So far, I think, you know, we're very, very excited with the integration. I think that where we are with the INET and I saw a demo just the other day of Centrix using the pressure controller. So we've got a beta out there right now. And I think I'm excited about the progress the team has made on the process of integrating software platforms for the North American market. I think we have lots of synergy opportunities yet to exploit. to include pressure loggers to provide data with the Ecologics product, connect that to Centrix, and then, you know, have better insights about whether something is a real leak or, you know, maybe even the shape of the leak. I think there's a lot of promise around using AI to use pressure and acoustic data to characterize leaks more accurately, better. And so, you know, I think that the team is working diligently on that. A couple of notes, though. I think we have multiple pilots underway. We have got the pressure controller that will allow you to vary pressures in a pressure zone. We've got the pressure loggers, which will, I think, provide synergistic data with Ecologics. And we're right in the application interface between Centrix and INET. And so I expect that... 2022 will be an important year for I2O's acceptance into the North American markets. But all in all, I would say it's good progress. As for their contribution, it's so small. It's currently a very small business, slight loss-making business, but that's not why we bought it. We bought it because we wanted to get into pressure controlling and pressure monitoring along with the acoustics monitoring. Thank you for the comment.
spk01: We have no further questions in queue.
spk03: Thank you, operator. Look, before I leave, you know, I think we've spent a lot of time, you know, talking about the inflation. I think the takeaways on the cost side, certainly I hear what people are saying, but on the positive side, I do think achieving the 11.4% sales growth, getting the units out the door, you know, satisfying contracts and customer demands, making sure we were made as a service-focused organization is, in the end, as important as making the money. And so I do think that the $15 million of headwinds we experienced in the quarter is I wish we could have avoided them, absolutely. But, you know, would I have not shipped something in order to, you know, I think our position in the market, our number one fire hydrant position, our number one gate valve position, is all enhanced by, you know, the team's commitment to operations and to satisfying customer demand. And I'd like to think that given the strength of sales that we had, that we had a very good quarter executing on the – on the growth side and still have some work to do on the cost side. But all in all, difficult but pleasing quarter. So I'd like to thank everybody for joining us this morning. And, Operator, with that, you can close it up.
spk01: Thank you all for participating. That ends today's conference. You may disconnect at this time.
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